From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #329 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 329 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Montreux Report [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: woodstock (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] "The New Joni Mitchell" ["Paul Castle" ] In at # 4 - Sandy Denny (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Woodstock (SJC) [Brian Gross ] Re: In at # 4 - Sandy Denny (NJC) [Brian Gross ] Scary Movies (NJC) [Leslie Mixon ] Re: woodstock NJC ["Reuben Bell3" ] Re: Midnight in the garden (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: "The New Joni Mitchell" [PJT ] Re: Scary Movies (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Scary Movies (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: My Top 10 [TreyCozy@aol.com] Re: My Top 10 [Jerry Notaro ] Re: My Top 10 [Jason Maloney ] AOL IM and stuff... ["Seth Garrison" ] RE: My Top 10 [Louis Lynch ] Re: My Top 10 [Don Rowe ] RE: RE: My Top 10 (NJC really) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] RE: Re: My Top 10 (NJC) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Re: My Top 10 [Mark Domyancich ] Re: My Top 10 ["nadine nixson-revolks" ] Re: My Top 10 [Jason Maloney ] Re: Joni in Music of The Millennium chart (NJC now) [Jason Maloney ] David Baerwald SJC [Bounced Message ] RE: Re: My Top 10 (NJC) [Don Rowe ] RE: RE: Re: My Top 10 (NJC) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Free music offer for Joni Fans! [Info@danamase.com] The *real* new Joni Mitchell(?) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Re: Free music offer for Joni Fans! [Mark Domyancich ] Re: My Top 10 (now NJC) [TreyCozy@aol.com] Re: AOL IM and stuff...NJC [RMuRocks@aol.com] Appalling 13 (NJC) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Re: Appalling 13 (NJC) [catman ] Re: Appalling 13 (NJC) [jan gyn ] New Orleans (NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: "The New Joni Mitchell" (NJC) ["Lisa Peakes" ] Re: Free music offer for Joni Fans! [Deb Messling ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:35:31 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: The Montreux Report Lori Reason sent me this wonderful report about the music festival in Montreux. I am sharing it with the list with her permission. I left off the NJC tag because she mentions Joni in a couple of places - apologies to the Joni-only people if this is wrong. Sometimes I find it hard to distinguish what should and should not be NJC tagged. - ---------------------------------------------- The Montreux Report - from Lori Reason We got first row (not front row) seats by cruising up to the box office a half hour before the show - extraordinary. This is the row right behind the celebrities who can sit it on any concert. People JT knew sat in front of us - at one point he jumped off the stage to say hi to the guy right in front of me and gave him a hug. He was inches from me! (Ahhh...) I don't know who the guy was - also the girl sitting with him looked familiar - it's gonna drive me crazy 'til I find out. His voice (!!!) is so gorgeous, and he told jokes, made fun of himself, his songs, and his longevity in the biz all evening. It could not have been better. He's such a crowd pleaser - sang Fire & Rain, You've Got a Friend, Shower the People (my favorite), How Sweet It Is... you get the idea - sang old hits and a few from his new CD. They were soulful and warm - even more beautiful than his old music, and you know that is saying a mouthful. Well, now I have to get the CD's of course - that's why they tour, right? The only one I wanted to hear that he didn't do is Long Ago and Far Away - but he didn't have a girl to sing the Joni part - I *could* have volunteered... He introduced You've Got a Friend by saying he wandered into a club to see this singer/songwriter 20+ (uh-em... 30+) years ago and had no idea at that the time he recorded it that he would be singing it 20 years on... Montreux is the perfect place for Ms. Mitchell to perform. Between songs you could hear a pin drop. People are so respectful and quiet - a bit too quiet sometimes - I felt people weren't interested but they were - the applause - he came out for 3 or 4 encores - I really think he was pleased with us. Or he's just so gracious and generous. Good thing Timo was with me - I may have tried to run off with the band! Had the same trouble last year when I saw Crosby's new band CPR, but that's another report. The Vocal Workshop didn't have much to do with voice. Noa talked about how they got together and their creative process - which for me was more interesting. She was born in Israel, was raised in the Bronx by her Yemeni parents. She has an amazingly warm, rich, beautiful voice. She also sat in front of me while watching Eagle Eye Cherry (son of Don Cherry-the blues singer) who performed just before James T. Anyway, she sings in Hebrew, English and French. She says she grew up listening to her parents music, so is heavily influenced by that (Byzantine scale? - she didn't say but it sounded like it & that's the scale they use, right?). She started the workshop singing in Hebrew, and towards the end of what sounded like the saddest song on earth she tapped her chest for percussion. She took my breath away. Tears poured down - I was (embarrassed to say the least - good thing I wasn't in the front row that time, huh?) overwhelmed. Then she sang a verse in English (paraphrasing here): Please don't make me marry him I want to marry for love I am a human being with feelings Don't use me for chattel.. (okay, it WAS the saddest song on earth) and she and her guitar player talked about harmonic counterpoint, and how a song has different rhythms in different languages. I knew this intuitively, but was interesting to listen to them break it down, change it from the original to what sounded like Medieval English or baroque music. He is an excellent and well disciplined guitar player. I think you would have loved him. Oh, and they mentioned JONI (!), James, Leonard Cohen & CS&N as being their influences, as they are around our age and that was what they also listened to growing up. She is everywhere. Musicians really get her - it's the general public who are not musicians who struggle to listen to her - - she is too intelligent and complex for most people - thus her lack of commercial success. Even I, who adore her, have to sit with her new music for a while (except NRH & TTT - wow) until I "get" it. Anyway, translating into English is a good marketing strategy - she is very clever, ambitious and wants to be very successful. She went to music school in Israel and while there captured the attention of her music teacher (who is a pop star in Israel) with her voice and compositions, and is now her guitar player. They jokingly said she 'ruined' his career by taking him away from what he was doing - but he obviously prefers playing with her. Also, they joked about her having no musical discipline - she hates doing scales (there is hope for me yet - I'm the same!). Her process is she just comes up with a tune, hums it for the guys, they work on instrumentation, and somewhere in there she adds words. Sounds delicious! After playing together for a while they added a drummer. He talked about drumming techniques on tambourine, the Irish drum (Bodran?) and a couple of Turkish drums. I didn't realise they actually snap their fingers on the outer side of the drum to make the loud popping sound. He is truly gifted - and so coordinated. He is also very shy, very tall, bald, and a very tender person. It was so fun watching and listening to him. She didn't say anything about voice technique until someone asked during the question & answer session at the end. All she had to say was do lots of sit ups & push ups every day for diaphragm control, and your entire upper body (at least) must be completely relaxed to sing well. She couldn't tell us much as she wasn't keen on singing lessons and it's obvious she was born with a great gift. Hope you enjoyed this a little bit. Lori Reason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:31:41 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: woodstock (NJC) In a message dated 7/28/99 1:36:05 AM Central Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << They throw in an overload of violence and totally downplay real consequences. >> If what I read in the paper this morning is true, the "real consequences" of this debacle @ Woodstock are that it is going to be the last one. They should have listened to Dexter Holland of Offspring way before he tried to calm the crowd...like he said a couple years ago, "You gotta keep 'em separated". Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:48:12 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: "The New Joni Mitchell" Pam pjtjoy@yahoo.com wrote:- >>I have never heard Joni be particularly >>negative to any other musician outside the context of >>responses to "their" negativity. Neither have I. Surely Joni's poo-pooing of Tracy Chapman was, I'm sure I remember correctly, only based on the fact that, in the publicity for her hugely successful debut album, Tracy had been called "The New Joni Mitchell". In the interview I read, I sensed that Joni was more irritated by that particular 'overused' marketing tag, which seemed to be (and still often is) used by record companies/publicists for every new female singer/songwriter who can play acoustic guitar or piano and write lyrics with a social conscience. Joni felt (perhaps a little less arrogantly than that particular interviewer tried to make her appear) that, in effect, it was ridiculous to make that assertion based on one album's worth of songs. Also, you would think that 'The New Joni Mitchell' would have at least shown some innovation in her guitar tunings or piano colourings to warrant the comparison. I don't remember Joni saying that she didn't actually like Tracy or, for that matter, any of the other 'pretenders to her throne', as the media like to say. She was just a bit insulted that they (or their publicity people) seemed to be trying to ride on her coat tails and create a wholly unwarranted impression. And, for me at least, Joni was right. Tracy has not turned out to be 'The New Joni Mitchell'. Personally, I loved 'Fast Car' and most of the tracks from the first album. But I do not rush out and buy every new album without bothering to hear any of the tracks on it first - I do not marvel at her amazing chord sequences or startling vocal phrasing - I do not crave to hear her demos and out-takes. I still think she's good, though. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:30:45 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: In at # 4 - Sandy Denny (NJC) In a message dated 7/26/1999 8:43:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philipf@tinet.ie writes: >>Apparently a tape exists of Sandy Denny singing Marcie and Night In The >>City on a Radio One session in 1968. That's something I'd dearly love >>to hear. << and Catgirl asked: >>I would like to find out how I can get copies of Judy doing these Joini >>songs. Anyone know. I have Fairports first album with I don't know where >>I stand and Chelsea Morning and then Sandy doing Eastern Rain. >>Anyone know please let me know! Philip and Catgirl - I too would love to hear these tapes. There is a Fairport Convention Discussion List that I sometimes tune in to - I shall put the word out on that and report back. Catgirl - good to see Sandy Denny in your list. Did you know there is a new biography about her due to be published in America in the Autumn. A while back I came across an internet site asking anyone who had met Sandy to send their stories and anecdotes to the author. Although too late and anyway I suspect too insignificant for inclusion, the author, Pam Winters, still asked to hear my story. This is what I sent her:- "My meeting with Sandy was insignificant to everyone except me. I was 19 at the time and I lived in Oxford - I played guitar in a duo, mainly playing the folk clubs of the local area. In 1968 (I don't remember the month) we got a gig at the Oxford Town Hall supporting the main acts, Sandy Denny (playing solo) and Ian Campbell (of The Ian Campbell Folk Group, also playing solo that night). If my memory serves me well I think this was a month or so before she joined Fairport. After the early evening sound check, I was sitting in the Town Hall dressing rooms tuning my guitar when Sandy came in. After chatting for a while, she said "Fancy going over the road for a drink?" Having seen her play before - doing a floor spot at the London club, Les Cousins, in Greek Street, I was already a big fan and well aware of her notoriety on the folk scene. It was great to be able to just sit with her alone in a pub and chat naturally for about a quarter of an hour - before all her friends started arriving and she was swept away from me. Unfortunately I never had the chance to meet her again." PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:54:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Woodstock (SJC) With all the shit that went on at this year's incarnation/imitation of Woodstock, I will be eternally glad to have been in attendance at last year's "A Day in The Garden" at the original 1969 festival site in Bethel and able to witness Joni's one and only performance at the place she immortalized in song. And being there with the couple of dozen JMDLers who staked out our space "up close and personal" made it even more special and memorable. The spirit of Joni's Woodstock lives on. Take care, everyone. Brian np: Dawntreader (He aches and he learns to live) === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: In at # 4 - Sandy Denny (NJC) Pamela Murray Winters wrote the liner notes to 'Gold Dust'-Live at the Royalty - - The Final Concert of Sandy Denny on 11/27/77. In those notes, dated February 1998, she says that she never met Sandy, who died at the tender age of 31. Very scary, considering that I'm now 44. Take care, Brian npimh: 'Visions of 902' - ---Paul Castle wrote: > > In a message dated 7/26/1999 8:43:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > philipf@tinet.ie writes: > > >>Apparently a tape exists of Sandy Denny singing Marcie and Night In The > >>City on a Radio One session in 1968. That's something I'd dearly love > >>to hear. > > << and Catgirl asked: > > >>I would like to find out how I can get copies of Judy doing these Joini > >>songs. Anyone know. I have Fairports first album with I don't know where > >>I stand and Chelsea Morning and then Sandy doing Eastern Rain. > >>Anyone know please let me know! > > Philip and Catgirl - I too would love to hear these tapes. There is a > Fairport Convention Discussion List that I sometimes tune in to - I shall > put the word out on that and report back. > > Catgirl - good to see Sandy Denny in your list. Did you know there is a new > biography about her due to be published in America in the Autumn. > A while back I came across an internet site asking anyone who had > met Sandy to send their stories and anecdotes to the author. Although too > late and anyway I suspect too insignificant for inclusion, the author, Pam > Winters, still asked to hear my story. This is what I sent her:- > > "My meeting with Sandy was insignificant to everyone except me. I was 19 at > the time and I lived in Oxford - I played guitar in a duo, mainly playing > the folk clubs of the local area. In 1968 (I don't remember the month) we > got a gig at the Oxford Town Hall supporting the main acts, Sandy Denny > (playing solo) and Ian Campbell (of The Ian Campbell Folk Group, also > playing solo that night). If my memory serves me well I think this was a > month or so before she joined Fairport. > > After the early evening sound check, I was sitting in the Town Hall dressing > rooms tuning my guitar when Sandy came in. After chatting for a while, > she said "Fancy going over the road for a drink?" Having seen her play > before - doing a floor spot at the London club, Les Cousins, in Greek > Street, I was already a big fan and well aware of her notoriety on the folk > scene. It was great to be able to just sit with her alone in a pub and chat > naturally for about a quarter of an hour - before all her friends started > arriving and she was swept away from me. Unfortunately I never had the > chance to meet her again." === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:20:18 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Fairport's Chelsea Morning NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: > I would like to find out how I cna get copies of Judy doing these Joini > songs. Anyone know. I recall seeing BSN listed on a recent Fairports box set. Marcie and Night In the City are listed in a book I have called Sad Refrains - The Recordings of Sandy Denny. I don't know of any bootlegs with it, the BBC may have the tape. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:23:21 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: woodstock (NJC) > I laughed today remembering my struggling >days - there may have been no gas in the car and nothing but pasta in the >cupboard but I NEVER went without having the latest Joni album ;-) > At least you had your priorities straight, Kakki! ;-D Heather > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:35:07 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Woodstock (SJC) At 05:54 AM 7/28/99 -0700, you wrote: >With all the shit that went on at this year's incarnation/imitation of >Woodstock, I will be eternally glad to have been in attendance at last year's >"A Day in The Garden" at the original 1969 festival site in Bethel and able to >witness Joni's one and only performance at the place she immortalized in song. > >And being there with the couple of dozen JMDLers who staked out our space "up >close and personal" made it even more special and memorable. > I was there with Brian and others too. It was, indeed, memorable. That is a day I will never forget ..... seeing Joni with many JMDL pals! "Come down from the neon lights Come down from the tourist sights Run down till the rain delights you You do not hide Sunlight will renew your pride Skin white by skin golden Like a promise to be free ...." I love this song, Bri! peace, love, happiness Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: My Top 10 Medric's Eclectic Group 1. Joni Mitchell 2. Stevie Nicks 3. Melanie 4. Joan Baez 5. Judy Collins 6. Joan Armatrading 7. Dusty Springfield 8. Janis Ian 9. Annie Lennox 10. Bjork _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 07:07:26 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Scary Movies (NJC) My entry into the scary movie Hall of Fame is a movie from 1956, "The Bad Seed." My VideoHound movie guide says, "A mother makes the tortuous discovery that her cherubic eight-year-old daughter harbors an innate desire to kill. More recently, Steve and I saw "Arlington Road" with Jeff Bridges and Tim Robbins and it was scary. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:48:26 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: woodstock NJC And you're lumping all teenagers who listen to Marilyn Manson and Korn into one group. Just noticing... Reuben <<< Mark Domyancich 7/27 3:07p >>> You're lumping every teenager into one group here. These kids who trashed this place are the same ones who listen to Marilyn Manson or Korn or any other thrash band. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:20:21 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Midnight in the garden (NJC) I read the book, didn't see the movie. Couldn't understand how it could be made into a movie that would work, although I understand they changed some of it to make it more of a cohesive story. I think it was intended to be more of a "travel" book or diary-type thing, with a lot of local colour in the persons of the various characters the writer met and dealt with while he lived in Savannah. There are a few threads that run through the book, but it isn't one story from beginning to end, so, although I can understand why someone might be intrigued enough about it to think about making it into a movie, why they actually went ahead and did it is beyond me. I understand the writer is equally mystified about the book's popularity - he never expected it to become a best-seller. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: PJT Subject: Re: "The New Joni Mitchell" Paul, This is the first I have heard of and reference to Joni regarding Tracy. And from you writing, her response was just what I would have expected. In my opinion they are nothing alike. But if you dont have it, the album to have by Tracy is "New Beginnings", maybe it was the benefit of seeing in live, but I absolutely love that album, and not for Give Me One Reason. Remember The Tinman, At This Point In My Life, and the title song "New Beginnings" are all wonderfully uplifting songs for me. Anyway, I related to them and they gave me hope. If you havent heard them and liked Fast Car, check them out, I dont think you will be disappointed. Pam - --- Paul Castle wrote: > Pam pjtjoy@yahoo.com wrote:- > > >>I have never heard Joni be particularly > >>negative to any other musician outside the context > of > >>responses to "their" negativity. > > Neither have I. Surely Joni's poo-pooing of Tracy > Chapman was, I'm sure I > remember correctly, only based on the fact that, in > the publicity for her > hugely successful debut album, Tracy had been called > "The New Joni Mitchell". > > In the interview I read, I sensed that Joni was more > irritated by that > particular 'overused' marketing tag, which seemed to > be (and still often is) > used by record companies/publicists for every new > female singer/songwriter > who can play acoustic guitar or piano and write > lyrics with a social > conscience. Joni felt (perhaps a little less > arrogantly than that > particular interviewer tried to make her appear) > that, in effect, it was > ridiculous to make that assertion based on one > album's worth of songs. > > Also, you would think that 'The New Joni Mitchell' > would have at least shown > some innovation in her guitar tunings or piano > colourings to warrant the > comparison. I don't remember Joni saying that she > didn't actually like Tracy > or, for that matter, any of the other 'pretenders to > her throne', as the > media like to say. She was just a bit insulted that > they (or their > publicity people) seemed to be trying to ride on her > coat tails and create a > wholly unwarranted impression. > > And, for me at least, Joni was right. Tracy has not > turned out to be 'The > New Joni Mitchell'. Personally, I loved 'Fast Car' > and most of the tracks > from the first album. But I do not rush out and buy > every new album without > bothering to hear any of the tracks on it first - I > do not marvel at her > amazing chord sequences or startling vocal phrasing > - I do not crave to hear > her demos and out-takes. I still think she's good, > though. > > PaulC > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:06:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Scary Movies (NJC) > << "The Wizard of OZ". That witch scared the > you-know-what out of me!! >> > > It was them damn flyin' monkeys that did ME in! > To contribute a bit of string to the purple winged monkey thread ... "I didn't have the heart to tell him this was monkey country ... poor bastard would see them soon enough." - -- Hunter S. Thompson, 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:21:15 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Scary Movies (NJC) In a message dated 7/28/99 10:20:23 AM Central Daylight Time, stevem@cruzio.com writes: << My entry into the scary movie Hall of Fame is a movie from 1956, "The Bad Seed." >> Good entry! That flick is indeed creepy, almost a predecessor to the work of John Lynch - we see an Ozzie & Harriet existence with their darling little girl who hugs them and declares "I love you so much, Mommy, you're the best Mommy" and blinds them to the realization that she is a psychopathic killer before it's too late. In a similar vein is "Night of The Hunter" with Robert Mitchum (directed by Charles Laughton) where he snowballs a community with his religious overtones while in reality is a murderer and a thief. Stephen King calls it the scariest movie he's ever seen... Bob, sneaking home from work @ lunch to check his Joni-mail because the incompetent nincompoops @ work can't get my e-mail account up & running... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:11:39 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Top 10 Here are mine.. 1. Brittany Spears 2. Samantha Fox 3. Paula Abdul 4. Stacey Q 5. Mariah Carey 6. Posh 7. Ginger 8. Baby 9. Sporty 10. (tie) Scary and Joni Mitchell Tee hee.. I couldn't resist. Hello all.. I'm back from my vacation and feeling less than refreshed -- San Francisco is after all paradise -- the rest of the world appears to be on fire!! Nice to be back.. Trey np - the hum of my computer as I contemplate sending this Top Ten list!! =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:25:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: My Top 10 TreyCozy@aol.com wrote: > Here are mine.. > > 1. Brittany Spears > 2. Samantha Fox > 3. Paula Abdul > 4. Stacey Q > 5. Mariah Carey > 6. Posh > 7. Ginger > 8. Baby > 9. Sporty > 10. (tie) Scary and Joni Mitchell > > Tee hee.. I couldn't resist. You almost gave this poor old librarian a heart attack!!!! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:50:06 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: My Top 10 Trey - diverting his attention from MTV for a moment - wrote: > Here are mine.. > > 1. Brittany Spears > 2. Samantha Fox > 3. Paula Abdul > 4. Stacey Q > 5. Mariah Carey > 6. Posh > 7. Ginger > 8. Baby > 9. Sporty > 10. (tie) Scary and Joni Mitchell Now THAT'S more like it!!! At last....someone's got it all sussed...though I'm afraid you omitted Debbie Gibson. Maybe she could replace Joni as equal 10th? Mitchell might have been hot once, but now she's just a bad-tempered old dear who sings about her cats ;-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:51:23 CDT From: "Seth Garrison" Subject: AOL IM and stuff... Hello~ First of all, I'm pleasd to find that Joni Mitchell fans around the world are kind and pleasant. It's a lovely thing to find out. Secondly, I don't know if any of you use AOL Instant Messanger, but it's such a convenient little contraption for comunication. If any of you do have it, my handle is "LilArbutus," but it's under another e-mail address. That address is: "torianipo@hotmail.com." And... I currently attend a residential school for "acedemically inclined" juniors and seniors (MS School for Math and Science), but soon, as the story usually goes, I will be moving off to college. You seem to be an intelligent bunch of folks (how do you like that Southern drawl?), and I was wondering if any of you could offer any input on where to go to school. My first choice at this moment is Sarah Lawrence College (in NY), and my second choice is Amherst College (MA). If any of you could offer me any advice, it would be greatly appreciated. By the way, I really love this list. Thanks for making me feel welcome! seth "some are friendly some are cutting some are watching it from the wings some are standing in the center giving to get something" Peoples Parties _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:59:15 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: My Top 10 What blasphemy!!! Ranking Joni below the spice girls. Even as a joke, it's too sick! I would say don't go there, but since you're there, come back from there right away. If you're Catholic, Trey, please run straight to the confessional. If you're other Christian, please pray to Jesus for forgiveness. If you're Jewish, atone mightily. If you're pagan, do a banishing. If you're Buddhist, meditate seriously. If you're Muslim, Allah help you. If you're an atheist, listen to "Blue" 100 times without stopping. None of the recent scary movies we've discussed can top your list for sheer horror! Bless you, child. Harper Lou Don - -----Original Message----- From: TreyCozy@aol.com [mailto:TreyCozy@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 2:12 PM To: megg56@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: My Top 10 Here are mine.. 1. Brittany Spears 2. Samantha Fox 3. Paula Abdul 4. Stacey Q 5. Mariah Carey 6. Posh 7. Ginger 8. Baby 9. Sporty 10. (tie) Scary and Joni Mitchell Tee hee.. I couldn't resist. Hello all.. I'm back from my vacation and feeling less than refreshed -- San Francisco is after all paradise -- the rest of the world appears to be on fire!! Nice to be back.. Trey np - the hum of my computer as I contemplate sending this Top Ten list!! =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: My Top 10 - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > TreyCozy@aol.com wrote: > > > Here are mine.. > > > > 1. Brittany Spears > > 2. Samantha Fox > > 3. Paula Abdul > > 4. Stacey Q > > 5. Mariah Carey > > 6. Posh > > 7. Ginger > > 8. Baby > > 9. Sporty > > 10. (tie) Scary and Joni Mitchell > > > > Tee hee.. I couldn't resist. > I really agree with most of this, but I think I'd have to go with Debbie Gibson in you #2 slot, and just so I don't get accused of growing another white lilly, I'll go ahead and give a two-way nod to Brandy/Monica in the #4 spot. Don Rowe _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:28:50 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: RE: My Top 10 (NJC really) Harper Lou wrote of Trey's ranking: <<>> That I could understand. The TRUE blasphemy was ranking Sporty below Baby. I mean really!! It took Sporty's unique cocktail of charisma, wit and talent to do what years of Title IX, Nike ads, Mary Lou Retton and Jackie Joyner-Kersee could not: give girls permission to wear athletic clothing. I shed a tear every time I see an Adidas-clad suburbanette, knowing the struggle Sporty endured on girlkind's behalf. And she did all this only to be slighted by the hand of male oppression yet again. Just because Trey lives in San Francisco doesn't mean he's feminist. [sigh] Keep up the fight Sporty. One day you'll be remembered for the hero you are. You go girl. [sniffle] - --Michael This message brought to you by cheTONGUEek productions. - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:32:44 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: My Top 10 (NJC) Don Rowe joked: <<>> Hey now--Monica's my girl. She can saaang. She'll be around for awhile. Unfortunately, so will Brandy. - --Michael NP: Monica, "The First Night" - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:38:32 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: My Top 10 How could you forget Jennifer Lopez?!?!? At 12:18 PM -0700 7/28/99, Don Rowe wrote: >I really agree with most of this, but I think I'd have >to go with Debbie Gibson in you #2 slot, and just so I >don't get accused of growing another white lilly, I'll >go ahead and give a two-way nod to Brandy/Monica in >the #4 spot. ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:41:20 -0500 From: "nadine nixson-revolks" Subject: Re: My Top 10 How can you forget Ricky Martin? - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Domyancich To: Don Rowe ; joni@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 2:40 PM Subject: Re: My Top 10 >How could you forget Jennifer Lopez?!?!? > >At 12:18 PM -0700 7/28/99, Don Rowe wrote: >>I really agree with most of this, but I think I'd have >>to go with Debbie Gibson in you #2 slot, and just so I >>don't get accused of growing another white lilly, I'll >>go ahead and give a two-way nod to Brandy/Monica in >>the #4 spot. > >____________________________ >| Mark Domyancich | >| Harpua@revealed.net | >| home.revealed.net/Harpua | >|__________________________| > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:58:30 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: My Top 10 nadine nixson-revolks wrote: > > How can you forget Ricky Martin? Well, as far as I know...he's not female.....not completely, anyway ;-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:05:17 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Joni in Music of The Millennium chart (NJC now) Don Rowe wrote: > > --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/motm/ > > > > Why in the world would they need your name, > > telephone number, and age for > > you to vote??? > > It seems obvious to me that Channel 14 is a PBS > affiliate. They will promptly fire off your personal > information directly to the DNC, and you will find > yourself deafened by phone-Gore solicitations for > campaign contributions. Noooo, my friends, you've got it all wrong! It's Channel 4, not 14!!! They are a UK TV station, and I believe this is a poll that has some kind of "prize draw" deal to it, hence the request for certain personal details.... I'd say some people have been watching Enemy Of the State too many time :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:15:08 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Joni in Music of The Millennium chart (NJC now) Speaking of which and in a wholly gratuitous aside , I was surprised by how entertaining "Enemy of the State" was. It's worth a rental from your local video store. Also worth noting: much of it was filmed on location in DC, with entire chunks taking place near Dupont Circle, g/l capital of Our Nation's Cappuddle. In fact, the upscale trashy undies place in the movie is actually Lambda Rising, DC's own g/l bookstore (for which I work from time to time). They took over the shop for a few days & it was great good fun to see the het decorations going up. :) At 09:05 PM 7/28/1999 +0100, Jason wrote: >I'd say some people have been watching Enemy Of the State too many time >:-) > >Jason. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:16:39 +0200 From: "Tube" Subject: Re: NJC What's MP3 - -----Original Message----- From: Don Rowe To: Tube Date: 27 July 1999 22:36 Subject: Re: NJC What's MP3 >MP3 is the first viable way to compress music data >without a significant (i.e. noticeable) loss of >quality compared to CD audio Thanks Don - I'll download a few and try it then Tube ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:18:02 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: David Baerwald SJC From: "nadine nixson-revolks" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:46:34 -0500 There is an album by David Baerwald titled, "Bedtime Stories" on which Joni sings on the song, "The Best Inside You." Her then husband Larry Kline produced the album. I must say this is way up on my list of favorite albums. Great songwriting, fantastic lyrics, a good mix of styles. Kinda like a male Joni. He writes dark lyrics to catchy tunes. Give it a listen guys, you know that anything Joni's involved in has to be good, and this is certainly no exception. By the way, David B. came from the group David & David which also put out a killer album, "Boomtown." Phil for our on-line catalog and vdubs for sale visit our web site at http://www.tcac.net/~revolks/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: RE: Re: My Top 10 (NJC) > << Brandy/Monica in > the #4 spot.>>> > > Hey now--Monica's my girl. She can saaang. She'll > be around > for awhile. > > Unfortunately, so will Brandy. > Perhaps. And I say this because I found this very interesting article in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch this weekend. This is kind of hard to believe, but apparently, Whitney Houston's label describes her latest album -- with a single at #13 and sales of 2 million -- as "disappointing." So those 15 minutes may be ticking by a bit faster than anyone suspected ... Don Rowe _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:06:42 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: RE: Re: My Top 10 (NJC) Don Rowe wrote: <<>> The most bitter irony--and please take this with a grain of salt, as I *LOATHE* Whitney--is that this album is by far the best of her career. That single, "It's Not Right (But It's Okay)," has some truly imaginative production, with a literally and metaphorically offbeat marimba pattern and some great dramatic synth chords. And the vocal performance is emotionally convincing, believe it or not. Of course it's about a two-timing man. Method acting. :-) That her horrendous shredding of Dolly Parton's gem is the biggest single of all time just kills me. Grrrr. - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:14:53 -0400 From: Info@danamase.com Subject: Free music offer for Joni Fans! Hi Guys If you love Joni's music then there is an excellent chance you're going to appreciate the music of Dana Mase - and we're going to prove it to you by giving you a Free CD single from Dana's latest album called "Fall Away"! To get the free single, simply visit Dana's site at http://www.danamase.com and join her mailing list. We'll mail it out to you right away as long as supplies last. 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Produced by Steve Addabbo (Shawn Colvin, Suzanne Vega), the melodic folk-pop of Mase's third album has occasionally haunting, rock-fueled edges and bridges that land it solidly in contemporary Lilith Fair territory, making her a good bet to be the next Paula Cole.- SPINS, Berkshire Eagle, April 26, 1998 "Dana Mase, extremely personal music performed by an extraordinary artist." - Gavin "Depth and Coherence"... a wonderful collection of songs produced by Steve Addabbo (Shawn Colvin, Suzanne Vega). ...eleven very strong songs.. - FMQB - Progressive Adult Radio Picks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:13:42 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: The *real* new Joni Mitchell(?) Comparisons in music criticism are always dangerous and usually lazy, but I love it when a critic looks beyond the surface trappings of artists to compare their spirits. A review of Lauryn Hill's recent San Francisco-are concert compared her to Joni, which I've seen happen now at least five times: "Lauryn Hill, not yet 25 years old, already has far more musical descendants than she has predecessors. What the multi-genre musician does is so unique, so visionary, that there are few who went before her who you can say had the same impact. Oddly, the only one who comes to mind is Joni Mitchell. Because of her clarity of vision, her heartbreaking vulnerability and self-deprecation, her courage in telling the truth, even her joie de vivre. Mitchell, like Hill, is that rare artist who inspires simply by being who she is." Fine praise for two deserving artists. I wonder what Joni would think of the comparison? - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:26:27 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Free music offer for Joni Fans! Is this another one of those "Plug of the week"'s in disguise? At 5:14 PM -0400 7/28/99, Info@danamase.com wrote: ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:37:01 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni in Music of The Millennium chart (NJC now) I agree. i don't normally like this sort of film but we went to see it on a pre relase night and it was very good. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:40:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: My Top 10 BRAVO! So there is at least one unpretentious soul out there! I must say tho that I am surprised you rate Samantha only no 2. Her talents are HUGE! TreyCozy@aol.com wrote: > Here are mine.. > > 1. Brittany Spears > 2. Samantha Fox > 3. Paula Abdul > 4. Stacey Q > 5. Mariah Carey > 6. Posh > 7. Ginger > 8. Baby > 9. Sporty > 10. (tie) Scary and Joni Mitchell > > Tee hee.. I couldn't resist. Hello all.. I'm back from my vacation and > feeling less than refreshed -- San Francisco is after all paradise -- the > rest of the world appears to be on fire!! Nice to be back.. > > Trey > np - the hum of my computer as I contemplate sending this Top Ten list!! =) - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:53:13 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Top 10 (now NJC) In a message dated 7/28/99 11:59:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << What blasphemy!!! Ranking Joni below the spice girls. Even as a joke, it's too sick! I would say don't go there, but since you're there, come back from there right away. >> Wow - who knew actually POSTING could be so much fun!! =) I think it's official - I am out of the "lurker closet"... Trey np - 4th of July... ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:56:05 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: AOL IM and stuff...NJC Seth says: << Secondly, I don't know if any of you use AOL Instant Messanger, but it's such a convenient little contraption for comunication. >> Seth, feel free to put me on your "IM" list and IM anytime (that goes for any of you that have the AOL IM software). << You seem to be an intelligent bunch of folks (how do you like that Southern drawl?) >> That'd be "Hot damn, y'all are purty smart" :~D Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Full Force Gale" from Van Morrison tribute disc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:24:25 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: Appalling 13 (NJC) A recent thread reminded me to share with y'all one of the funniest things I've ever heard. A Chicago gay comedy troupe named their first revue: [drum roll] "Whitney Houston, We Have a Problem" It still makes me laugh!! :-D - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:02:50 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Appalling 13 (NJC) LOL. I think whitney has a problem too...Bobby. mwyarbro@zzapp.org wrote: > A recent thread reminded me to share with y'all one of the funniest > things I've ever heard. A Chicago gay comedy troupe named their > first revue: > > [drum roll] > > "Whitney Houston, We Have a Problem" > > It still makes me laugh!! :-D > > --Michael > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:16:37 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Appalling 13 (NJC) Whitney Does Dallas! - -jan >LOL. I think whitney has a problem too...Bobby. >mwyarbro@zzapp.org wrote: >> A recent thread reminded me to share with y'all one of the funniest >> things I've ever heard. A Chicago gay comedy troupe named their >> first revue: >> [drum roll] >> "Whitney Houston, We Have a Problem" >> It still makes me laugh!! :-D >> --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:37:44 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: New Orleans (NJC) Do any JMDL'ers live in New Orleans? I'm supposed to audition with the Cirque du Soleil in New Orleans in September(no exact date yet) and will be looking for a place to stay for two or three days or so. If you think you might be able to be of assistance please contact me off list. merci, Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:38:47 -0400 From: "Lisa Peakes" Subject: Re: "The New Joni Mitchell" (NJC) <> Hasn't Larry Klein had a hand in Tracy Chapman's work? Her second album, maybe? I don't own any of 'em, so I can't check. I remember the days when, at my college radio station, we had to put out an on-air plea to Tracy, who was then going to another college nearby. We asked her to drop another demo tape off to the station, because hers was lifted from the studio. People loved her that much. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:40:06 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Free music offer for Joni Fans! I really, really resent some marketer invading a non-commercial list. Part of the fun of a music mailing list is getting recommendations about new artists, but when recommendations start coming along that are clearly profit-motivated, it takes the fun away. At 05:14 PM 7/28/99 -0400, you wrote: >If you love Joni's music then there is an excellent chance you're going >to appreciate the music of Dana Mase - and we're going to prove it to >you by giving you a Free CD single from Dana's latest album called >"Fall Away"! To get the free single, simply visit Dana's site at >http://www.danamase.com and join her mailing list. We'll mail it out >to you right away as long as supplies last. > Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #329 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?