From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #328 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 328 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Scary Movies (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] top 40 lists NJC [Howard Motyl ] Re: The Secret Of Life NJC [catman ] Re: woodstock (NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: Re: woodstock ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NJC - Midnight in the Garden... ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Love NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Let me introduce myself... [luvart@snet.net] Re: NJC - Midnight in the Garden... [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (NJC) [Joseph Palis ] Re: NJC - Midnight in the Garden... [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:02:15 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Scary Movies (NJC) In a message dated 7/27/99 6:04:44 PM Central Daylight Time, johnlow40@hotmail.com writes: << "The Wizard of OZ". That witch scared the you-know-what out of me!! >> It was them damn flyin' monkeys that did ME in! Bob NP: Bonnie Raitt, "Lovers Will" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:06:38 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: top 40 lists NJC Can someone help me? I am trying to find popular song lists (like the top 40) for every decade of the century. Does anyone have an idea where I might be able to find which songs were popular, especially during the early part of the century? Thanks. (Reply privately please.) Howard M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:24:07 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life NJC Martin Giles wrote: > Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > < The secret of life is hugely over-rated. It's not such a big deal. > The > meaning of life is to get your genes into the next generation.> > > If you're convinced of Richard Dawkin's arguments as I am, you should > look at it this way - life is a gene's way of making more genes. > > Colin said: > > > > In the grand scheme of things, yes. All the more reason to enjoy and > marvel at our lives though. > > The Rev Vince said: > > > > I know that you'll never agree with me on this one, but.. Our genes > determine all our behaviour and 'morphology'. I never agree with people who present theory as fact! > Love is a characteristic > as much as eye colour. But of course our environment acts on us aswell. > We are influenced in a million ways during our lives, and we learn > things, including love for each other. Way to go nature!! > > Martin. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:28:18 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: woodstock (NJC) Kakki wrote: > Randy wrote: > > > In '69, we had Vietnam to unify ourselves against. > > We also were saturated on a daily basis with T.V. images of the violence of > that war. I think when you are inundated like that for years, violence and > destructive behavior does not seem so cool anymore. That was real violence with real consequences-your neighbor or brother lost his leg or lost his life. Media entertainment violence downplays the consequences-you don't see Bruce Willis recovering in the hospital for a month after someone hits him with a bat. Also, the trend in movies and TV has been to get more graphic, to show more blood and guts and to amplify the pathos of the villian in a sinister way. Adults can make sense of these things, but the younger a child is, the less "screening" their minds have. It's been shown that young children assume that what they see on their TV is real. And Americans watch more TV than any other activity, 6 to 8 hrs a day. > > I agree with mush of what you say here, MUSH???!!!?? ; ) > In many ways young people have it much better now as far as > opportunities, advancement and income than in the recent past. I wonder. It seems to me as if America's future has been sold down the river. > > I see responsible young adults frequently, but there is a "grab for > > yourself" mood out there (not just involving the young) that seems > > larger than it's ever been. > > I see it, too, and think that some of the children are naturally (and > unfortunately) following the bad example shown by their parents. Along with bad parenting, there is also the parent that is doing their best, but doesn't have the time, help or support to really give a child what they need. The child takes up the lack of parental influence from society, media, and friends. And alot of what they are exposed to is commerce without any conscience. I'm not saying that any of this is a good excuse to do violence. I'm just saying, we shouldn't be surprised when we end up with alot of Beavis and Buttheads. They are the end product of our TV consumer culture. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:49:41 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Re: woodstock > > Mark in Seattle wrote: > > << from 'Night Ride Home' but isn't this what the song is all about?>>> > I do not know the details of Joni's run-in with her housekeeper, > but IMO it is at best tactless for anyone, especially a wealthy > Laurel Canyon resident, to air his or her financial troubles > in song. Here we go with Joni & her housekeeper again. Has she ever actually said that this song is about her fights with her housekeeper?? I take the song as a broader indictment of greed. We all know there are people who will do just about anything for a buck and others who feel entitled to have 'everything for nothing'. Maybe the inspiration for the song was petty but I don't think the end result is. She puts her finger right on one of the ills of our society. Lillian Hellman did the same in 'The Little Foxes' which was taken partly from memories of her own family. Artists use personal experiences in their work all the time. It doesn't necessarily mean that the work is only about those personal experiences. Again, it's all subjective. Compelled by prescribed standards or some ideals, we fight...... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:04:09 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC - Midnight in the Garden... Anyway, point is, I just bought Midnight In The Garden > Of Good And Evil from Blockbuster (pre-viewed for $4.99!) and I think I > liked it but it was a bit drawn out. I think the screenplay was lacking some > magic. The cast was outstanding. Too bad they didn't have much of a story to > work with. I read the book the film was based on and although I did think it was entertaining I really couldn't fathom why it was such a huge bestseller. Lady Chablis is very entertaining but (in the book anyway) she really didn't have anything to do with the main story. A lot of the book was like that. As a story it was not well structured at all. I guess he was going more for a local color type piece on Savannah. I must admit after having read it, I do want to visit Savannah. The script for the film seems to try and tie up the loose ends from the book but it doesn't entirely succeed. There was some good acting. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:06:51 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "Just Like My Dad" -- a parody > JUST LIKE MY DAD > > I'm growin' older all of the time > Just like my Dad > Looking at the kids > As I start to crab .... > Oh sour grapes > My age has set me apart Well this got a chuckle out of me! Bravo, Mr. Rowe! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:09:54 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: woodstock In a message dated 7/27/99 11:52:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << At 12:36 PM +1000 7/27/99, Takats, Angela wrote: >I think too many teenagers want "everything for nothing" and this >mentality means they get the shits when they have to pay or do >something for something in return... Being a teenager I resent that. >> Not surprising; it seems there is very little that teenagers don't resent. Paul I P.S. I was one once, too. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:18:26 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: woodstock CUS EVERYTHING'S WRONG WITH THE WORLD!!!!!! (Just joking! :-D ) At 9:09 PM -0400 7/27/99, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >Not surprising; it seems there is very little that teenagers don't resent. > >Paul I >P.S. I was one once, too. ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:36:13 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Love NJC I truly am blessed to have this life with him, to share it. I know the God of my > understanding made just the right arrangement for us both. we have both grown enormously > thru this commumion and thus have been better able to share with others and be there for > others. > real love enables growth -it never downsizes! > This was incredible, Colin. Thank you for sharing it. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:46:23 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself... At 05:30 PM 7/27/99 CDT, Seth Garrison wrote: >Hello~ > My name is Seth Garrison. I'm 17, and from Mississippi. Ok, enough of >that, on to Joni... Welcome, Seth!! > I grew up on Joni Mitchell. My mom has listened to her since her first >album was released, and I've listened to her since I was conceived. >Although, I only became a die hard fan recently (last year/this year). I'm >a bigger fan of her older albums (i.e. Songs of a Seagull-Hejira). Not that >I don't respect and admire everything after Hejira, it's just that I don't >love it as much as I like the "classic Joni." My favorite album is Blue, >followed by For the Roses and Ladies of the Canyon. Give Night Ride Home a chance ... I think you'll like it. > Why I joined this list?: > I'm interested in meeting fellow Joni fans (there aren't too many around >here). I'm interested in sharing opinions/ideas/criticisms with people who >respect this remarkable musician/songwriter/painter as much as I do. hey Seth!! Try to get your butt up to Ashara's Labor Day JMDL party! A bunch of us will be there. Lots of Joni music! Glad your here, Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:12:20 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Midnight in the Garden... Your review of MIDNIGHT... is very perceptive. Conicidentally, it happens to agree completely with mine. D LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:37:04 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (NJC) On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > sing it) and The Theme song from the Opera La Wally sung by Whilamina > Fernandez also makes me cry. You may know this song from the movie Diva. I saw this gem of a movie. The aspect of fetish intrigued me so much that the fan has to steal the gown of the diva he adores and, in one scene how he almost erotically rubbed the gown in his body. And I can't blame him, Wilhelmina Wiggins Fernandez sings so beautifully. Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:09:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: woodstock (NJC) Randy wrote: > That was real violence with real consequences-your neighbor or > brother lost his leg or lost his life. Media entertainment violence > downplays the consequences-you don't see Bruce Willis recovering > in the hospital for a month after someone hits him with a bat. The movies also tend to make these scenarios - you see a guy being shot at with 1,000 rounds from a Bazooka and yet somehow he escapes any harm and doesn't even get a scratch on him. They throw in an overload of violence and totally downplay real consequences. As those of you who are also on the CSN list know, Mr. Crosby himself was posting up a storm today and also commented on the thread (titled "Dorkstock" on that list ;-) He put a finger on the violence in the music and expressed concern of what lays in store at the upcoming Yasgur's Farm Bethel event where his band CPR will be performing. > > I agree with mush of what you say here, > > MUSH???!!!?? ; ) MUSHO apologies!! > > In many ways young people have it much better now as far as > > opportunities, advancement and income than in the recent past. > > I wonder. It seems to me as if America's future has been sold > down the river. I thought about this more today and realized I was guilty of provincialism - so much depends on the region where you live and work. It's easy for me to say there is an abundance of opportunities living in L.A. but if I expressed that to my cousin who lives in a one-industry steel town in Pennsylvania he would probably give me a week of rant! But at least women do have it so much better now as far as educational and career opportunities and income compared to 20-30 years ago. I laughed today remembering my struggling days - there may have been no gas in the car and nothing but pasta in the cupboard but I NEVER went without having the latest Joni album ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 02:38:57 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC - Midnight in the Garden... Mark or Travis wrote: > >I guess he was going more for a local color type piece on > Savannah. The movie seemed very flat to me too, but I enjoyed it as a visit to my North Carolina/Virginia upbringing. Southern "rules of behavior" may be more exaggerated in Savannah, but that excessive politeness and covering up sure did seem familiar. I cracked up at the scene with the visitor on the sidewalk outside the house and the woman on the balcony, and he's barely said hello and he's still OUTSIDE IN HIS COAT, and she's scolding herself for not getting him something to drink already. My mama wouldn't see anything funny about that. Oh, that Southern hospitality. 20 years away and I still always have a pitcher of tea ready...but at least I now let people get inside the door first. DShea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #328 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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