From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #326 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 27 1999 Volume 04 : Number 326 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: sweetbreads anyone? (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The "REAL" Top 10 [Robert Glenn Plotner ] Re: Was Tracy Chapman, Now Depression (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] UK meet [Martin Giles ] Re: Tracy Chapman [catman ] Re: Tracy ChapmanNJC [catman ] Re: The Secret Of Life [catman ] Re: scary movies (NJC) [catman ] Swarb (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: scary movies (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Vincent Van Gogh NJC [catman ] Re: scary movies (NJC) [catman ] Re: The Secret Of Life [MDESTE1@aol.com] JMDL Stress Tips [NJC] [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: The Secret Of Life - NJC [Lori ] Re: The Secret Of Life - NJC [Janet Hess ] V4 #324 (VLJC) [Janene Otten ] Woodstock 99 [Louis Lynch ] Re: Joni in Music of The Millennium chart [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Vincent Van Gogh NJC-Depressed [catman ] re: woodstock [Mark Domyancich ] Re: The Secret Of Life - NJC [Lori ] Re: You're The Most! [Heather Galli ] Re: "Best" singers, crows, priests [Heather Galli ] re: woodstock [Heather Galli ] Re: The Secret Of Life - NJC [catman ] Re: woodstock [catman ] Re: woodstock NJC ["nadine nixson-revolks" ] Re: Vincent Van Gogh NJC-Depressed [catman ] RE: New to the list ["Chad Burkhart" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:16:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: sweetbreads anyone? (NJC) >P.S. Wally - any tell-tale scars on your left hand we should know about? not yet, but i do go to the opera a lot, and the french embassy is at stone's throw from my window... WallyK, always hungry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:27:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: scary movies (NJC) helen!!! i saw that movie too! i think it was called tender flesh here. wasn't laurence harvey in it? it must've been at least 20 years ago... wallyk >I have very vivid memories about a B- (possible D-!) grade horror I watched >with my sister one night when I was about 10. It was called "Welcome to >Arrow Beach" >Helen - back in the land of the living after ANOTHER dose of the 'flu, which >the doctor thought might be chicken pox - weird! yeah, the flu is hitting hard down here too this year. i'm still weak from last month's "dose". WallyK, slapping everyone that dares to sneeze in my presence. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: The "REAL" Top 10 Here's my go at admonition: 1) Joni Mitchell 2) Joan Armatrading 3) Etta James 4) Rickie Lee Jones 5) Aretha Franklin 6) Janis Joplin 7) Natalie Merchant 8) Aimee Mann 9) Sade 10)Koko Taylor Mr. Subjective === Ignatz Mouse's Tape Trade Archive and Seriously Disturbed Humor http://members.xoom.com/rabidfox Thought Experiments, The Metaphysical Think Tank http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thoughtexperiments _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:56:57 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Was Tracy Chapman, Now Depression (NJC) In a message dated 7/27/99 1:01:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: Discussing people who are depressed, Victor wrote: > I love them and care about them but I wouldn't want to get > involved with them romantically. > Having worked professionally (non-clinically) with many depressed individuals, I think I can understand how there could be a burden or many complexities associated with a romantic involvement with someone suffering from depression, especially one who won't/can't seek treatment because they fail to acknowledge their illness. It is a rather more complex and less straight-forward illness than diabetes (the non-mental health disorder that therapists often use to compare depression to) for sure, though in terms of "treatability", it's not a bad comparison. Unlike diabetes, depression has so many more personal/interpersonal manifestations that psychotherapy or some form of counseling is usually in order along with drug therapy. Also, the diagnosis for depression can be very slow in coming (for the functionally depressed) because people can deny they suffer from the illness for many more years than they can deny they are diabetics, where the physical symptoms are hard to ignore. In essence, many more people live with depression and don't seek treatment either because the illness doesn't allow them to come to grips or because of the social stigma, the latter being nonexistent for diabetics, I would think. I certainly didn't mean to jump all over Victor and if it sounded like I did, it was not what I intended. It was perhaps not how Victor meant it all, but the recommendation that people shouldn't get romantically involved with someone who suffers from depression just sounded so odd to me! Please keep posting, Victor, your story was thought-provoking! Take care, Gina (up waaaaaay too early today!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:53:34 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: UK meet Perhaps it would be better if we all said when we can't make it over the next couple of months so that we can find a time when everybody/most can by default? i.e. I can't make the weekends of 7-8 Aug, 14-15 Aug, 21-22 Aug. Otherwise I've not got any commitments. Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:05:43 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Tracy Chapman > > > I don't know if anyone has had a similar experience but I don't recommend > getting involved with someone who suffers from deep depression. whilst I can appreciate it must be difficult, I do not think my partner of 18 years would agree with you. It has been a growing and learning experience for us both. The thing about love is it is 'for better or for worse' if both people are committed. With right help and love, depression can be cured. > > > Victor > > NP: the fan in this unbearably hot Atlanta house - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:05:50 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Tracy ChapmanNJC > > > I don't know if anyone has had a similar experience but I don't recommend > getting involved with someone who suffers from deep depression. whilst I can appreciate it must be difficult, I do not think my partner of 18 years would agree with you. It has been a growing and learning experience for us both. The thing about love is it is 'for better or for worse' if both people are committed. With right help and love, depression can be cured. > > > Victor > > NP: the fan in this unbearably hot Atlanta house - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:11:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life > It seems to me that the secret of > life is to love. Period. Love and Life are synonymous to me. Niether is real without the other. And yes, I agree with you. Life is about learning to love yourself and others. If you do this then one atuomatically loves 'God'. too many say they love 'God' and clearly lack love for others. In this respect Life is very simple and the reason for it. Everyone's life is of the utmost importance and the purpose of it is to love. > > > Mark in Seattle > > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:29:06 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: scary movies (NJC) Jack Nicholson comeing thru the bathroom door with an axe is on of the most frightening scenes from a film! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:44:13 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Swarb (NJC) All this talk of Steeleye Span here, I wondered if you'd all heard about fiddler, Dave Swarbrick. Dave has sufferred from asthma and emphysema for some time now. I just saw an interview with his wife on television. She said that one morning, a while back, a friend of theirs had phoned and said "How are you? - Are you coping OK?". She said fine, what do you mean - coping? "But Dave's died", her friend said. No he hasn't - what are you talking about - he's sitting right here. Apparently The Daily Telegraph newspaper had printed a full-page obituary, talking about him as one of the greatest fiddlers of all time etc etc. Whilst wheezing a bit, in the TV interview Dave looked completely chuffed by all this - thinking that if he really was that good, he better get well again and make a comeback! Ain't life a brook! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:56:25 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: scary movies (NJC) In a message dated 7/27/99 5:31:51 AM Central Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Jack Nicholson comeing thru the bathroom door with an axe is on of the most frightening scenes from a film! >> Are you kidding me? That was one of the all-time laugh out loud pieces of camp that ever was!! Now the BOOK was scary! Also here in Greenville all the righteous folk are out to protest Black Sabbath coming to town...that's pretty scary too... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:02:32 +0100 From: catman Subject: Vincent Van Gogh NJC July 27th, 1890: Vincent van Gogh shot himself. He died on the 29th July, 1890. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:05:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: scary movies (NJC) RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/27/99 5:31:51 AM Central Daylight Time, > catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: > > << Jack Nicholson comeing thru the bathroom door with an axe is on of the most > frightening scenes from a film! > >> > > Are you kidding me? No! > That was one of the all-time laugh out loud pieces of > camp that ever was!! Now the BOOK was scary! yes-the book was far better too. I do ghate it when they change books for the screen! > > > Also here in Greenville all the righteous folk are out to protest Black > Sabbath coming to town...that's pretty scary too... mmm... I think there is more to fear from the 'righteous' than there is from Black Sabbath.(actually I am surprised to hear BS are still going!) > > > Bob - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:57:30 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life Curious question. What is the purpose of an animals life. Of a flowers life. Of an insects life. I know you guys will think Im being facetious but Im not. Ive been watching this thread evolve and its been interesting, esoteric but interesting. The things i mention here dont love and they dont worry about legacies. marcel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:00:23 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: JMDL Stress Tips [NJC] - --part1_408cbb00.24cef957_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << A Diet For Dealing With Stress 1. If you eat something and no one sees you eat it, it has no calories. 2. If you drink a diet soda with a candy bar, the calories in the candy bar are canceled out by the diet soda. 3. When you eat with someone else, calories don't count if you do not eat more than they do. 4. Food used for medicinal purposes NEVER counts, such as hot chocolate, brandy, toast and Sara Lee Cheesecake. 5. If you fatten up everyone else around you, then you look thinner. 6. Movie related foods do not have additional calories because they are part of the entertainment package and not part of one's personal fuel. Examples: Milk Duds, Buttered Popcorn, Junior Mints, Red Hots & Tootsie Rolls. 7. Cookie pieces contain no calories. The process of breaking causes calorie leakage. 8. Things licked off knives and spoons have no calories if you are in the process of preparing something. 9. Foods that have the same color have the same number of calories. Examples are: Spinach & Pistachio Ice Cream; Mushrooms & Mashed Potatoes. 10. Chocolate is a universal color and may be substituted for any other food color. 11. Anything consumed while standing has no calories. This is due to gravity and the density of the caloric mass. 12. Anything consumed from someone else's plate has no calories since the calories rightfully belong to the other person and will cling to his/her plate. (We all know how calories like to cling!!) 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(VLJC) Bonnie Raite over Christine McVie ? Not for me. Steevie Nicks over Celia Bartoli ? I dont think so. Sade over Dinah Washington ? Hard for me to see it. Only my humble opinion. Im not sure I can leave Dolly Parton out shes an incredible songwriter. I know its country music. Emmylou Harris missing from the list. Hello. Two of my all time all time songs ever sung by a female vocalist. The Angels Rejoiced by Nicolette Larson (makes me cry when I try to sing it) and The Theme song from the Opera La Wally sung by Whilamina Fernandez also makes me cry. You may know this song from the movie Diva. respectfully. Marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:20:11 -0500 From: Lori Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life - NJC At 07:35 PM 7/26/99 -0400, Vince Lavieri wrote: >The secret of life is finding a child to love and passing that love into >the next generation, if possible. By adoption, foster parenting, >mentoring, being a good aunt or uncle, being a good neighbor, or whatever >means one has at one's disposal. Along these lines, I suggest that the meaning of a life is simply to make some lasting improvement on the world. And there are many, many ways to affect the future in a positive way (besides loving a child) that make one's life just as meaningful. You guys focus on the children (a worthy cause, I don't deny), and I'll focus on the elderly. It may seem that working for the elderly cannot be lasting, since they are near their own end. But raising their position in our society and setting better standards for care are steps that can help generation to come. These are the people we all learn from, and the people we become. Lori Allen Lori Allen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:25:57 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life - NJC Naw, you all have it wrong. The secret of life is cats ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:46:59 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: V4 #324 (VLJC) Hi. It's great to be back. I was out of town and away from my computer for a few days. It's taken me three days just to catch up! =) I am really loving the recent threads here on the list, especially the lyric dissection. I didn't catch the VH-1 special. VH-1 has some great programs but I fear that, like it's predecessor, MTV, the channel is on it's way to becoming less quality programming (heaven forbid they play any MUSIC videos that aren't Celine Dion, Sheryl Crow or Ricky Martin) and more feeble attempts to satisfy the viewing audience's short attention span. On a more optimistic note, I love the attention being given to all of the great women of rock. mwyarbro@zzapp.org: what a great list. Joni is aces. I might put Janis at #2 but otherwise, you really put a finger on the pulse of the breadth of styles that spawn the chameleon called rock n' roll. Adding Chrissie Hynde was key. And Don, I'll pick up the Peter Cetera if you get your butt out and get some Nina Simone! I always listened to Sarah Vaughn, Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald and wasn't aware of Ms. Simone's music until 1988. Since that time, I have found her voice to be more soothing and innovative than the other women (IMHO, of course) I also think that my mood dictates whether I'll be turned onto to something at first listen. Some music needs many listens to grow on me. Actually, many of Joni's albums are like that for me. For example, LOTC was quintessential Joni until Mingus and then I had to reevaluate everything! Then, CMIAR totally wiped that concept off the board. When TI was released I thought I'd never get into it but I just had to live with it for awhile. Joni is the queen chameleon. Can't wait for the next album, especially if it's standards. One word: Summertime. Love and rock on ladies, Janene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:06:43 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Woodstock 99 Woodstock 99 With apologies, Ms. Mitchell I came upon a child of God, He was walking along the road And I asked him where are you going, And this he told me. He said I'm going down to the airforce base, I'm going to join in the rioting band We're going to trash the surrounding land, And loot vendors and ATM machines. We are stardust, we are golden And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden. Then can I walk beside you, So I don't get lost in this smog And I'll place another log, To add to the burning Well maybe it's just the heat this year, Or maybe it's the mediocre bands I don't know who I am But I'm not ready to start learning We are stardust, we are golden And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden By the time we got to Woodstock, We were a quarter million strong And everywhere the smell was wrong, And people were all naked. And I dreamed that after thirty years People would start to understand About love and peace and respect for land, But I was mistaken We are stardust, we are golden And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:10:19 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni in Music of The Millennium chart Bounced Message wrote: > From: philipf@tinet.ie > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:40:48 +0100 > > here's another place to vote for your favourite artist - Music Of The > Millennium. > Madonna's slightly ahead of Aretha in this one. Joni's at number 10. > > http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/motm/ Why in the world would they need your name, telephone number, and age for you to vote??? Smacks of shadiness to me. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:29:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni in Music of The Millennium chart (NJC now) - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > Bounced Message wrote: > http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/motm/ > > Why in the world would they need your name, > telephone number, and age for > you to vote??? It seems obvious to me that Channel 14 is a PBS affiliate. They will promptly fire off your personal information directly to the DNC, and you will find yourself deafened by phone-Gore solicitations for campaign contributions. Which only leaves one unanswered question ... does the White House show up on Caller ID? ;-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:41:31 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Vincent Van Gogh NJC-Depressed vincen shot himself because he was depressed because he spent five straight days listening to tracy chapman and that alone will cause the most happiest of individuals to move to suicidal depression. didn't joni say tracy had little talent or something to that regard? seems a little rough, but at the same time, quite honest. her sound depresse me as much as counting crows. yuck. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:46:52 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life NJC wouldn't life be really limited if there was only one secret to find out? and who is to say that the secrets are available here and now? i think the secrets are multi dimensional. like a greased balloon. you can't put your finger on just one. you kind of have to have three or four fingers on three or four places or sides around the perimeter. the secrets are held in tension, not in balance. so we need love and loss. we need joy and sadness. we need children and parents. we need each other and solitude. etc. etc. etc. ok, and maybe we need joni mitchell and tracey chapman too. every one say yuch. ss. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:58:12 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Vincent Van Gogh NJC-Depressed Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > vincen shot himself because he was depressed because he spent five straight > days listening to tracy chapman and that alone will cause the most happiest > of individuals to move to suicidal depression. > > didn't joni say tracy had little talent or something to that regard? seems a > little rough, but at the same time, quite honest. her sound depresse me as > much as counting crows. yuck. Actually there is a funny little Joni connection. Joni joked in concert that she wanted to do a Christmas album of all her depressing Christmas songs. It was an intro to Happiness Is the Best Facelift. Once I saw a comedian in NY who joked about the new Tracy Chapman Christmas cd. First single, sung in her mono drone: My father was shot, my mother's a hooker Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, My brother's on crack, my sister od-ed. Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas. Very funny routine. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:56:37 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life - NJC Yes but if children are loved well we would not have the problem of uncared for elderly. Or uncared for anyone for that matter. We don't necessarily learn from the elderly. Age does not equal wisdom. Lori wrote: > At 07:35 PM 7/26/99 -0400, Vince Lavieri wrote: > >The secret of life is finding a child to love and passing that love into > >the next generation, if possible. By adoption, foster parenting, > >mentoring, being a good aunt or uncle, being a good neighbor, or whatever > >means one has at one's disposal. > > Along these lines, I suggest that the meaning of a life is simply to make > some lasting improvement on the world. And there are many, many ways to > affect the future in a positive way (besides loving a child) that make > one's life just as meaningful. > > You guys focus on the children (a worthy cause, I don't deny), and I'll > focus on the elderly. It may seem that working for the elderly cannot be > lasting, since they are near their own end. But raising their position in > our society and setting better standards for care are steps that can help > generation to come. These are the people we all learn from, and the people > we become. > > Lori Allen > > Lori Allen - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:01:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Vincent Van Gogh NJC-Depressed There are those that think Joni is equally depressing but manage not to be so offensive in saying so! Personally, I don't give a toss what joni thinks of Tracy or anyone else. Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > vincen shot himself because he was depressed because he spent five straight > days listening to tracy chapman and that alone will cause the most happiest > of individuals to move to suicidal depression. > > didn't joni say tracy had little talent or something to that regard? seems a > little rough, but at the same time, quite honest. her sound depresse me as > much as counting crows. yuck. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:02:34 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: woodstock Mark in Seattle wrote: <<>> When I hear "The Windfall" I can't decide who has a more outsized sense of entitlement--Joni or her housekeeper. The idea that occasional songwriting and performing, no matter how brilliant, deserves greater financial reward than manual housecleaning labor is perhaps accurate, but arguable nonetheless. I do not know the details of Joni's run-in with her housekeeper, but IMO it is at best tactless for anyone, especially a wealthy Laurel Canyon resident, to air his or her financial troubles in song. - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:16:45 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Vincent Van Gogh NJC-Depressed In a message dated 7/27/99 11:04:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << There are those that think Joni is equally depressing but manage not to be so offensive in saying so! Personally, I don't give a toss what joni thinks of Tracy or anyone else. > still, is her statement true? does tracy lack talent? i'll give you the point on joni being offensive. she can be rough. she called those two dylan fans last year who were interrupting her performance "little fucks!" that's pretty strong. so she can be rough. but, is she right about tracy? and why do i find joni uplifting and tracy down- pressing? of course, it might be me. i am strange, i know that. but i still say yuch to tracy chapman. and i'd love to know what a toss is. ss. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:22:37 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (NJC) Helen M. Adcock wrote: <<>> Melissa: #49 IG: #79 <<>> #24 - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:33:48 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: "Best" singers, crows, priests The Priest... hmm. I never thought of him as being an actual priest. I thought more of a guy who may act a bit priest-like, someone who preaches a great deal, who views the act of love as a sacrament type of thing and perhaps took himself just a little bit too seriously. I understood, perhaps incorrectly, that this particular "priest" was Leonard Cohen. I imagined this very serious sort of guy in borrowed clothes ("wearing his father's tie"), given to drinking and pontificating about life and love. The Christians and the Germans? Just a thought, and not a very concrete one, but somehow, I get an image of something like the Roman colliseum where they would throw the Christians (or whatever group was the designated victims of the day) to the lions. Only this time, it's the Christians in the audience. Together in this audience, watching and applauding this carnage are some Nazi-types (the "Germans", no offense intended to any non-Nazi Germans!). I see this is as some kind of surreal circus where the good guys and bad guys are always changing place, but the same kind of cheering/booing good and bad stuff keep going on. For example, now that the Serbs have backed off in Kosovo, we hear that the Kosovars may be doing to the Serbs what they were doing to the Kosovars. No one ever learns and says that's enouhg, it's time to stop and the victims and the torturers just change place. "Mark or Travis" said >Subject: Re: Top Ten >jerry, come on!!! greater than birgit nilsson?!?!?! do you know >whatyou're >saying?> wallyK >It's all subjective, isn't it? Personally most opera singers sound >totally unnatural to me. I can appreciate the technique, range, >vocal quality, discipline, etc. that it requires to sing that way but >I would just as soon not have to listen to most of it. I do like the >sound of Kathleen Battle's voice but she doesn't really have the >classic operatic soprano voice. I've never much cared for most operatic voices either. There's definitely something false about them. When I was a kid, listening to some opera singer on the Ed Sullivan show or something like that, I'd always start laughing like mad and I'd have to leave the room. I used to go around the house singing in an "opera" voice and driving the rest of the family mad. I read some quote by Pavarotti who said something to that effect - that the tenor voice is really a false voice. I particularly dislike the soprano voice - IMO, so high and grating, especially the coloratura type. It seems like so much vocal gymnastics with everyone trying to out-diva the one that came before. If you want to hear something a bit different, listen to Kathleen Battle's "So many stars" which features her singing some of her favourite songs from "popular" music, spirituals and so on; you might also want to check out Kathleen Battle and Jessye Norman who did a CD of spirituals with James Levine et al - I believe the title is "Spirituals in Concert" or something like that. I've always preferred a voice that is much purer - get rid of that vibrato for God's sake! Someone like Emma Kirkby who has such a pure voice and sings more like she's one of the group of musicians rather than the prima donna in centre stage. Gene Mock on crows says, >Crows are my favorite birds. It's a wonder that they can fly if you >watch >their wingbeats. Unlike Geese or Ducks they never fly in any fix > >formation >or appear ever to be in a rush. When they caw, I always wonder if >their >talking or laughing at me. Much can be learned from watching >Crows. Isn't it freaky though, when a whole bunch of them gather together in one tree and all of them are cawing back and forth? What DO you think they're talking about? I think of Hitchcock's "Birds" whenever that happens... "mimi Gal" says >Mr. Eastwood, who played ramrod Rowdy Yates, would have >been a jazz pianist, if acting hadn't proved so lucrative... What a >cool >duet, Clint and Joni Check out the soundtrack (or maybe it's more of a spinoff?) CD from the movie "Midnight in the garden of good and evil" wherein Clint sings (or maybe sing-speaks is more like it) "Acc-cen-chu-ate the positive". I never much liked that song, but I loved Clint's version. My favourite on that one though, has to be Kevin Spacey doing "That Old Black Magic". NPIMH "A melody in your name" in tango form. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:49:11 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: re: woodstock At 12:36 PM +1000 7/27/99, Takats, Angela wrote: >I think too many teenagers want "everything for nothing" and this >mentality means they get the shits when they have to pay or do >something for something in return... Being a teenager I resent that. ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:56:21 -0500 From: Lori Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life - NJC At 03:56 PM 7/27/99 +0100, catman wrote: >Yes but if children are loved well we would not have the problem of uncared >for elderly. Or uncared for anyone for that matter. Sorry, I'm still with those on the list who feel that one does not need to raise a child to have a meaningful life. Besides, even if what you say is true, there's still the matter of today's elderly who need us now. >We don't necessarily learn >from the elderly. Age does not equal wisdom. Agreed. But learning comes in many ways. We learn from experience (our own and others'), from history. And we learn from our parents and from those who help raise us (as this thread points out), who become elderly before we do. I believe it is meaningful to watch out for those who come before us. Lori >Lori wrote: > >> At 07:35 PM 7/26/99 -0400, Vince Lavieri wrote: >> >The secret of life is finding a child to love and passing that love into >> >the next generation, if possible. By adoption, foster parenting, >> >mentoring, being a good aunt or uncle, being a good neighbor, or whatever >> >means one has at one's disposal. >> >> Along these lines, I suggest that the meaning of a life is simply to make >> some lasting improvement on the world. And there are many, many ways to >> affect the future in a positive way (besides loving a child) that make >> one's life just as meaningful. >> >> You guys focus on the children (a worthy cause, I don't deny), and I'll >> focus on the elderly. It may seem that working for the elderly cannot be >> lasting, since they are near their own end. But raising their position in >> our society and setting better standards for care are steps that can help >> generation to come. These are the people we all learn from, and the people >> we become. >> >> Lori Allen >> >> Lori Allen > > > >-- > >CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html >TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:07:03 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: You're The Most! >In a message dated 7/26/99 2:31:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: > >> The list wasn't of female vocalists, but of women in rock 'n' >> roll. From what I can tell, all but one (Tina Weymouth of Talking >> Heads) recorded lead vocal work, but some (like Carole King at >> #10, Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth) were clearly considered based >> on much more than their vocal work. > >I'm not at all sure about this but I believe Tina Weymouth sang lead at least >sometimes with her band Tom-Tom Club. Yes, Gina this is true. Tina Weymouth and hubby Chris Frantz (sp) live here in CT. Sometimes they will play in local clubs. Well worth seeing. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:43:57 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: "Best" singers, crows, priests > >The Christians and the Germans? Just a thought, and not a very concrete >one, but somehow, I get an image of something like the Roman colliseum where >they would throw the Christians (or whatever group was the designated >victims of the day) to the lions. Just a little note: There is no evidence that Christians were slain in the Coliseum in Rome. Evidence was found that Christians were slain in the Roman Circus and more so in Nero's Circus which was located near the present day Vatican City. The Coliseum was used strictly for entertainment (plays, music, gladiator fights) The Circus (there were a few in Rome) was where all the chariot races were held. It is said that the disciple Peter was martyred in Nero's Circus. Heather Proud of my German heritage and no offense taken :-) Only this time, it's the Christians in >the audience. Together in this audience, watching and applauding this >carnage are some Nazi-types (the "Germans", no offense intended to any >non-Nazi Germans!). I see this is as some kind of surreal circus where the >good guys and bad guys are always changing place, but the same kind of >cheering/booing good and bad stuff keep going on. For example, now that the >Serbs have backed off in Kosovo, we hear that the Kosovars may be doing to >the Serbs what they were doing to the Kosovars. No one ever learns and says >that's enouhg, it's time to stop and the victims and the torturers just >change place. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:50:07 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: re: woodstock >At 12:36 PM +1000 7/27/99, Takats, Angela wrote: >>I think too many teenagers want "everything for nothing" and this >>mentality means they get the shits when they have to pay or do >>something for something in return... > >Being a teenager I resent that. > I kind of resent it too. Though my daughter is now 22, I raised her to be responsible and she is. For every good there is a bad in everything. We should all keep in mind not to generalize :-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:45:59 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life - NJC Lori wrote: > At 03:56 PM 7/27/99 +0100, catman wrote: > >Yes but if children are loved well we would not have the problem of uncared > >for elderly. Or uncared for anyone for that matter. > > Sorry, I'm still with those on the list who feel that one does not need to > raise a child to have a meaningful life. Actually, I believe I was the first person to write and point this out. I did not say one needs to raise children in order to live a meaningful life. What i did say was that if children are loved, we would not have the problem of people not caring for others be they old or otherwise. that is a different point from the one you read into what i wrote. > Besides, even if what you say is > true, there's still the matter of today's elderly who need us now. > > >We don't necessarily learn > >from the elderly. Age does not equal wisdom. > > Agreed. But learning comes in many ways. We learn from experience (our own > and others'), from history. And we learn from our parents and from those > who help raise us (as this thread points out), who become elderly before we > do. I believe it is meaningful to watch out for those who come before us. I didn't say it wasn't. As for learining from our parents and other adults as children-yes we do but what we learn is not always healthy. Lori, I don't think we disagree at all. > > > Lori > > >Lori wrote: > > > >> At 07:35 PM 7/26/99 -0400, Vince Lavieri wrote: > >> >The secret of life is finding a child to love and passing that love into > >> >the next generation, if possible. By adoption, foster parenting, > >> >mentoring, being a good aunt or uncle, being a good neighbor, or whatever > >> >means one has at one's disposal. > >> > >> Along these lines, I suggest that the meaning of a life is simply to make > >> some lasting improvement on the world. And there are many, many ways to > >> affect the future in a positive way (besides loving a child) that make > >> one's life just as meaningful. > >> > >> You guys focus on the children (a worthy cause, I don't deny), and I'll > >> focus on the elderly. It may seem that working for the elderly cannot be > >> lasting, since they are near their own end. But raising their position in > >> our society and setting better standards for care are steps that can help > >> generation to come. These are the people we all learn from, and the people > >> we become. > >> > >> Lori Allen > >> > >> Lori Allen > > > > > > > >-- > > > >CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > >TANTRAS/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:49:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: woodstock Agreed heather-there are plenty of adults who want everything for nothing. And soooo many who preach at the young and personal responsibilty when they quite clearly don't know what it means. Why oh why do kids turn into adults who bash kids? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:49:15 -0500 From: "nadine nixson-revolks" Subject: Re: woodstock NJC Heather, You're right, we tend to categorize a whole generation and the funny thing is that in the 60's that was one of our major gripes! How quickly we forget. How quickly we start to sound like our parents. There is alot of BAD parenting going on out there, that's for sure. What does that say about our generation? Phil Murphy - -----Original Message----- From: Heather Galli To: Mark Domyancich Cc: joni@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:48 AM Subject: re: woodstock >>At 12:36 PM +1000 7/27/99, Takats, Angela wrote: >>>I think too many teenagers want "everything for nothing" and this >>>mentality means they get the shits when they have to pay or do >>>something for something in return... >> >>Being a teenager I resent that. >> >I kind of resent it too. Though my daughter is now 22, I raised her to be >responsible and she is. For every good there is a bad in everything. We >should all keep in mind not to generalize :-) > >Heather > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:51:58 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Vincent Van Gogh NJC-Depressed Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/27/99 11:04:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: > > << There are those that think Joni is equally depressing but manage not to be > so > offensive in saying so! > Personally, I don't give a toss what joni thinks of Tracy or anyone else. > > > > still, is her statement true? does tracy lack talent? i'll give you the > point on joni being offensive actually, the person i thought was being offensive was you! > . she can be rough. she called those two dylan > fans last year who were interrupting her performance "little fucks!" that's > pretty strong. so she can be rough. but, is she right about tracy? and why > do i find joni uplifting and tracy down- pressing? of course, it might be > me. i am strange, i know that. but i still say yuch to tracy chapman. > and i'd love to know what a toss is. > ss. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:57:53 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Sorry .... I just noticed my lack of using NJC. My apologies to those I have offended :-) I'll go sit in the corner for a while.... bub - bye Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:14:09 PDT From: "Chad Burkhart" Subject: RE: New to the list Phil, Welcome to the list. You have come to the right place. STAS is one of my favorite album although it is hard to say that because almost all Joni albums are one of my favorites LOL. In particular I love Michael From mountains, Cactus Tree, and Night In The City. Cool that Joni made you interested in Accoustic Guitar, she has done the same for me and I have just recently picked up the guitar and started to learn. I myself am a pseudo pianist and am loving the guitar. Of couse many of the songs I am tinkering with on the gutar are Joni songs but I could never be as good as she. Anyway, again welcome and enjoy the many conversations with Joni fans around the world.Yours always, Chadly From Mountains ICQ = 41775889 Go where you will go to Know that I will know you Someday I may know you very well ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #326 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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