From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #318 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 21 1999 Volume 04 : Number 318 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: SIQUOMB/SIDHE [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Media Circus (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: For Ric - NJC -Reply [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: For Ric - NJC [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: SIQUOMB/SIDHE (NJC) ["Kakki" ] The New England Sea (NJC) [Michael Paz ] from the forceps to the stone.... kennedy-bessett (njc) [KerriLynn@aol.co] Re: from the forceps to the stone.... kennedy-bessett (njc) [CaTGirl627@a] kind words from Heather ["Chad Burkhart" ] Re: smokin' (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: from the forceps to the stone.... kennedy-bessett (njc) ["Patricia O'] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:17:43 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: SIQUOMB/SIDHE Steve Dulson wrote: Hello all! Those of you who have experienced any of the jmdl get- togethers at the Kakkishack, or any of the events that Kakki has organized, know how wonderful she is at this stuff. I've been thinking that we need an acronym for her (a la SIQUOMB), and what popped into my head but SIDHE (She Is Definitely Hostess Extraordinaire), pronounced "she" and the Irish word for female spirit. Any other ideas? HA HA HA. Considering she sounds like the energizer bunny when there's options for what all could be done and squeezed into 'x' amount of time, plus all her similarities to our own Joan, I nominate SIQUOBE. (She Is Queen Undisputed Of Boundary Extentions.) Kakki, do you *ever* sleep? ;-) Smiles Penny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:17:27 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Media Circus (NJC) My personal opinion is that the primary reason for the massive overkill on the Kennedy tragedy is simply that exploding across the news outlets in the early morning Saturday was the revelation of the fact that the PBS system has been selling out its subscribers and handing that donor list over to the Democratic National Committee beginning in 1994 for fundraising purposes. This grotesque violation of privacy and the law was a plan hatched directly in the white House as the person nominated to be head of PBS was the woman who spent more time in the White House than any other single media person. Right after she was nominated by Bill Clinton to this postion the privacy violations commenced. This massive sell out and violation of PBS supposed non-partisan position was a clear violation of its non-profit tax exempt. The media was faced with an easy choice, cover this exploding scandal or an Princess DI sequel event. I feel very sorry for the families BUT John Jr. was not only hardly an achiever but a dim bulb. Frankly the coverage on Saturday was preposterous considering they didnt even know whether they had died or whether they had survived yet the coverage of truly nothing of note went on for nearly 24 hours. Finally I will note that during the day I went several places downtown and people were not only NOT broken up over this non-national tragedy but somewhamiffed as to how the media is trying purposely to exploit the situation. The congressional hearings on the PBS scandal happen next tuesday we'll see how much coverage they get. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:46:09 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' In a message dated 7/20/1999 2:50:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << And like all good novelties, the timing of "Smokin" is perfect. Sure it's a novelty, so it ought to be over just about the time you "get it". And it does just that. >> This may be true but in MHO, I think it is still annoying! But like I said I do like Ethiopia....now that song is deep and thought provoking. When ever I listen to that song I almost cry but get angry instead. She certainly knows how to get the emotions going in all of us! Catgirl Your top soil flies away..Ethiopia We pump ours full of poison spray....Ethiopia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:49:39 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: For Ric - NJC -Reply Loren, I don't even know where to find the words to offer you the comfort you deserve. Only know that I'm thinking of you. Even though we've never talked, you're post has touched me deeply. This is an amazing place, isn't it? Terry In a message dated 7/20/99 12:21:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CARTERLOREN@epamail.epa.gov writes: << Yesterday I was diagnosed with MS, and I've been spending a lot of time with the "why mes?...why do I deserve this? who did I piss off? what did I do in a former life? >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:51:53 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: For Ric - NJC In a message dated 7/20/99 10:37:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PMcfad@aol.com writes: << I think about Kathleen every day. She doesn't know that. I only call once in a while. I never quite know what to say. We live far apart. But I think of Kathleen every day. >> It's certainly none of my business, but I'll bet Kathleen would appreciate a copy of this incredible letter. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:39:07 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: SIQUOMB/SIDHE (NJC) Steve wrote: > I've been thinking that we need an > acronym for her (a la SIQUOMB), and what popped into my head but SIDHE > (She Is Definitely Hostess Extraordinaire), pronounced "she" and the > Irish word for female spirit. Thank you Steve, for giving me such a cute acronym! I love how the Irish add all those extra little letters in their language to confuse everyone else ;-) Penny wrote: > Kakki, do you *ever* sleep? ;-) No, but I'm seriously starting to consider the concept. ;-) Yesterday after returning home late after spending a whirlwind 10 hours traveling to Northern California on business, I set to working on my tape dubbing backlog, only to be confronted with streams of water start pouring from my kitchen ceiling. I pleaded with security to call emergency maintenance but they told me to get out some buckets and wait for morning. When I protested that I couldn't stay up all night emptying them they looked at me like "yeah, right" So, right now I am SIQUOE - "She Is Queen Undisputably Of Exhaustion" ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:41:27 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: The New England Sea (NJC) Kakki wrote: "These past few days I have been thinking that the New York/New England JMDL'ers would have much to contribute in commenting their thoughts on this sad event." Kakki- I too was disturbed/mesmerized/numbed/confused by the constant coverage of this unfolding tragedy. I was constantly weepy thinking of how my own family remember the many tragedies of this family esp. the JFK murder. Remembering the images of young John John and Caroline. The media did the same thing when Diana was killed and maybe that was even a part of what killed her. The constant scrutiny of people because they are a singer, actor, politician, or someone who performs oral sex on someone famous, will never cease to amaze me. I am sure there is more tasteless reporting to come. One thing is for sure, the ocean off Atty May's will never look quite the same to me after this past weekend. Michael NP-The Boho Dance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:42:32 EDT From: KerriLynn@aol.com Subject: from the forceps to the stone.... kennedy-bessett (njc) hello all... IT'S TIME I SPEAK! on a somber note.. i'm very distressed about the 'AMERICAN TRAGEDY' what makes me SO "distressed" is the fact that the United States FORCES us to watch the horrible, unsettling events as they occur (or, occured).... maybe i'm not getting my point across..... i guess i'm upset at the fact; that ANY tragedy that occurs...the media FORCES us to see the grim, depressing details of such.... do you understand? every channel you turn to on your television, every station on your radio...... it just gives no relief.... "they" FORCE us to '(re)live' the tragedies as they are happening...... it's hard enough just to CARE about those YOU love and the people that are special to you... even if they are a socalled "celebrity"... they are PEOPLE too; just like a. and b. ya know?? am I cynical? NO ... i feel horrible, of course i do... and i think i feel worse, because the media has FORCED another 'ROYAL" tragedy upon me.... BELIEVE ME.... i understand that unforturnate events happen... and i do not wish them upon ANY ONE!!!! let's just be prayerful ( if that's actually a word!) and let sorrows lie, and respect the people that ARE involved and let them grieve..... in their own way.... with thier families.... and the support they SEEK.... thank you... (now you know why i'm a lurker ;) ) kerri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:33:17 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: from the forceps to the stone.... kennedy-bessett (njc) In a message dated 7/20/1999 10:48:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KerriLynn@aol.com writes: << BELIEVE ME.... i understand that unforturnate events happen... and i do not wish them upon ANY ONE!!!! let's just be prayerful ( if that's actually a word!) and let sorrows lie, and respect the people that ARE involved and let them grieve..... in their own way.... with thier families.... and the support they SEEK.... thank you... (now you know why i'm a lurker ;) ) kerri >> Well you gave me NO clue of why you are a lurker. I think what you had to say is honest and truthful. What make one persons tragedy more painful then someone else's? More media hype? I think not. We are all humans and when any one of us loses a loved one it hurts just as much as when a famous person dies. I try to stay away from the news PERIOD! There is just too much pain and suffering and the media has to show all the saddness and never makes much time for the happier things in life. I wish you would post more. I thought you were very insightful! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:01:28 PDT From: "Chad Burkhart" Subject: kind words from Heather Heather, Thanks for the kind words about my signature file. I decided some time ago when I was listening to STAS (even though I still think it's Joni Mitchell but STAS sounds much better so I guess I've changed my mind). I thought that the lines from Michael From Mountains was a fitting tag at the end of an e-mail for friends and friends to be. We can learn so much more about everyone, even those that are closest to us and I thought it would be nice to add those words. Joni's songs make me happy on a daily basis (I have around 16 albums although I have yet to really count them but I am missing some good ones like DJRD, CMIARS, DED...although I am fearful of it from what some people on the list [and my girlfriend] are saying about it, WTRF, and all of the tape trees that are out there that someday I may get my hands on) and I thought why not share them with those that are not so aquainted with her music as those on this list. Cheers! Yours always, Chadly From Mountains ICQ = 41775889 Go where you will go to Know that I will know you Someday I may know you very well ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:09:21 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: smokin' (NJC) Don Rowe writes: <> Can you explain this more perhaps? I hear the song as having a 4/4 beat from start to end. (I hear a kind of five-note rhythmic figure being played, but as a syncopation within the fundamental four beat, and not a true quintuple rhythm.) <> Not to interrupt your internal rhyming ;) (and I agree with your observation on how Joni works the machine's buzz into the harmonic center of the song -- though maybe it would have been even funnier if she set the rest of the song completely out of tune with the buzz!), but what aspect of a jig or reel does Joni emulate? Harmony, rhythm, melody? Or, what would be the "right" way to listen to the song in order to hear this? - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:30:42 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: from the forceps to the stone.... kennedy-bessett (njc) > i'm very distressed about the 'AMERICAN TRAGEDY' >what makes me SO "distressed" is the fact that the United States FORCES >us to watch the horrible, unsettling events as they occur (or, occured).... > maybe i'm not getting my point across..... i guess i'm upset at the fact; >that ANY tragedy that occurs...the media FORCES us to see the grim, >depressing details of such.... do you understand? every channel you turn >to on your television, every station on your radio...... it just gives no >relief.... I don't see how one is FORCED to watch anything, and certainly not FORCED by the United States, usually the same button that turns on the box also turns it off. The strange thing about the coverage of this tragedy is 100 hours of continual "news" coverage, with no "news". POC ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #318 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?