From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #314 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, July 18 1999 Volume 04 : Number 314 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- UK JMDL meeting [pyramus ] Mercy Street (NJC) [pyramus ] Re: looking for mercy street...(NJC, and long...) [catman ] RV: Mercy ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Prayers and Love To You (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] NPR Talk of the Nation Science Friday [pattihaskins@mindspring.com] Nina Simone [Leslie Mixon ] Re: A Wizard A true Star??? [Jerry Notaro ] Re Guitar Advice NJC [Gertus@aol.com] NJC: it never rains but it pours [catman ] Re: A Wizard A true Star??? [Randy Remote ] Re: The Hinton Biog. ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: The Hinton Biog. [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: A Wizard A true Star??? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The Hinton Biog. ["Kakki" ] Re: The Hinton Biog. (SJC) [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] VOTE FOR SIQUOMB!! [KerriLynn@aol.com] Kennedy tragedy ["Takats, Angela" ] re: many men and joni ["Takats, Angela" ] Moon Songs (NJC) ["John Low" ] :Phoenix - njc [pam tompkins ] Re: fallflowers ["P. Henry" ] Re: The Hinton Biog. [Brian Gross ] Re: The Hinton Biog. [TerryM2442@aol.com] My Favorite MIDIs ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: fallflowers ["P. Henry" ] Re: Moon Songs (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:41:30 +0100 From: pyramus Subject: UK JMDL meeting Catman wrote: <> Hang on in there Col. Don't worry about us, lurk for a while until you are fully recovered. Best wishes to Martha too. Kevin D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:41:13 +0100 From: pyramus Subject: Mercy Street (NJC) Ric wrote: <> Do think of us as the friend you normally go to when others aren't around. We are always here. Lots of love Kevin D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:04:07 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: looking for mercy street...(NJC, and long...) Ric-do not feel you have to apologise for sharing what you did. It was needed by you and perhaps others. Nothing I can say will alter one bit what you are going thru nor make it go away from you. however, I do believe strength comes to us, even in such dire circumstances, when we think the pain will destroy us. bad things happen to good people all the time. no apprent rhyme or reason for it either. Pain survived makes us stronger and more compassionate. Don't be brave and hold it all in -that will break you. Shout and scream and curse at this wild misfortune, and shout andd scream and curse some more. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:59:33 +0100 From: pyramus Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #312 Paul, that was an interesting insight on "Marcie" on of my all time favourites. I love the stop/go, red/green, autumn/summer references. Although it is primarily a bleak song, Joni's direct colour reference is abundant: Reds Greens Brown paper Yellow Cab Grey attics plus colours you can imagine - Coat of flowers Flower curtains Ocean beaches Bag of peaches In a previous post I mentioned that I "view" this song as a collection of black and white photographs. Perhaps it is more like those monochrome videos you see with a few colour images. Perhaps a metaphor for a drab, grey life with odd bits of colour thrown in. Interesting that Joni says she's the girl in all the songs. I've often wondered if Joni is Marlena in "Otis & Marlena". If so who is Otis? Kevin D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:28:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RV: Mercy - -----Original Message----- De: Wally Kairuz Para: RickieLee1@aol.com Fecha: Sábado 17 de Julio de 1999 07:14 Asunto: Mercy >Ric, >I have seen some people die. Some of them died slowly and visibly; friends >that were taken by disease or that sank inch by inch into a swamp of >madness. Others went suddenly: my eldest brother killed himself when I was >18. There is no mercy to found in the presence of death, I'm afraid. It's >absolute, it's infinite, it's not a human experience we can share or learn >from or about. We can only accept. That is part of a hero's life too. >I don't have words of wisdom about anything in the world, least of all about >death. I have been only a part, a witness of it, unwillingly and intensely. >Judy may be slowly going, but Judy will stay for ever. You won't have to >fight the traffic to go get her. The part of you that has to go with her, >will go with her. The part of that has to stay with us, will stay with us. >But it's important that, as the moment comes near, you learn to let go. Judy >will thank you for it, and your girls will thank you for it too. Judy has >lived with you for so long that even parts of her body, molecules, whatever, >are already living in your body. That is one of the miracles of intimacy: >the other becomes us. The Judy that is Ric will remain here for as long as >you remain here. >I haven't learned much more than this, but this much is true. >Thinking of you, >Wally Kairuz > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:02:00 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Prayers and Love To You (NJC) In a message dated 7/17/99 12:56:02 AM Central Daylight Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << Keep your strength up for Judy and the girls as it is now when they need you the most. Be well and may the Lord bless you all and keep you. >> Ric, Michael said exactly what I would have, so just know that you all will be on my mind and in my heart as I take off for the beach today... Bob, back in a week ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:45:50 -0500 From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: NPR Talk of the Nation Science Friday Hi All, I have one of those jobs where I can listen to whatever I want while working and yesterday, Friday, afternoon I was listening to Talk of the Nation Science Friday on NPR. They were discussing the Apollo 11 space mission 30th Anniversary. One of the guests, Andrew Chaikin, author, "A Man on the Moon: The Voyages of the Apollo Astronauts" was telling of how the old Saturn V rockets are now laying on their sides abandoned and how sad it is. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, "Its like Joni Mitchell said, "don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you got till its gone". Just thought you might find it amusing. Patti Haskins ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:50:01 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Nina Simone My husband gave me a CD for my birthday entitled, "Nina Simone/"The Colpix Years." The liner notes read: "For over thirty years now, and still going strong, Nina Simone has stood above and apart from whatever calculated, cynical and contrived garbage that the commercial recording industry has spewed upon the public. Her neverending and tireless quest for quality in both her musical choices and her dramatic approach has, perhaps, kept her from becoming a star of the magnitude that her immense talent would suggest." The CD is terrific. My first thought after reading this was, "This could have been written about Joni!" Driving to work yesterday, turned on the radio and first song I heard was "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio" from Miles of Aisles. A few hours later on another local non-commercial station was the BBC version with James Taylor of "You Can Close Your Eyes." Rock on Santa Cruz! Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:50:46 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: A Wizard A true Star??? michael paz wrote: > > Jerry wrote: > "np: Joni with Todd Rundgren" > > Jerry, Joni with Todd Jerry, Joni? Huh have I been asleep? What is that? > > Michael I'm responding to the list because I've had several questions on this. It is not a musical colaboration, but an interview which is part 3 of TT#3. Specifics: The Difference - with host Todd Rundgren Shows #95-01 & #95-04 - January 1995 Jerry np: Hissing Demos Now why wasn't THIS in the box set??!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:50:10 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re Guitar Advice NJC Subject: Re: Guitar Advice - NJC Allison Fernley wrote:- <> I'm one of the people who bought a Baby Taylor on Kakki's advice and I agree that it is ideal for a beginner because it is relatively easy to play while having a beautiful tone. Unfortunately, Taylors are not cheap and, predictably are much more expensive in the UK than the USA. I was lucky enough to buy mine second hand but nearly new and it cost me 250 pounds, whereas Kakki paid $250 brand new! I think they retail at about 400 pounds in the UK which is a lot for a first guitar. Anyway, Kevin, I'm sure a good guitar shop will advise you well. My daughter recently bought an electric guitar and I have to admit that it's much easier to play than an acoustic. Good luck Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:17:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC: it never rains but it pours okay so here I am so ill i can hardly walk my mouth openoing frequently to allow a fountain of 'yuk' to shoot out. martha dog i notice can't walk so oiff to vet we go. she has puss poruring from her vagina. vet things my stomach is turned by that when i puke on his office floor. then he realises i am ill. says dog will be okay and if i am not better in a few dyas he will put me down! I just thought you'd enjoy this cheerful little episode of life here in March! I am hoping I don't have to go to the vet.... - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:37:16 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: A Wizard A true Star??? > np: Hissing Demos > Now why wasn't THIS in the box set??!! Oh God, there's a box set TOO? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:12:31 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Hinton Biog. > John, you are not in the minority. After reading many negative reviews here, > I was not going to buy it but after glancing at it (on sale) at the book > store, I figured that it was at least worth the photos. I have yet to see this book anywhere. I've looked at Tower Books, Barnes & Noble, Borders - never seen it. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:21:55 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: The Hinton Biog. Mark in Seattle wrote: I have yet to see this book anywhere. I've looked at Tower Books, Barnes & Noble, Borders - never seen it. The Hinton Bio. of Joni can be ordered from Barnes and Noble--it is in stock. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:33:41 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: A Wizard A true Star??? Randy Remote wrote: > > > np: Hissing Demos > > Now why wasn't THIS in the box set??!! > > Oh God, there's a box set TOO? No. It's a tongue and cheek reference to Hits and Misses which was supposed to be a "box set." Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:47:31 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The Hinton Biog. Mark wrote: >I have yet to see this book anywhere. I've looked at Tower Books, > Barnes & Noble, Borders - never seen it. It was somewhat prominently displayed at the Borders in West Hollywood. Someone had told me I could find the special edition TI there (with the little tin ear), but no luck ;-( so to console myself I picked up the Hinton ;-) Kakki NP: T.V. news - unreal ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:57:36 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: The Hinton Biog. (SJC) Kakki wrote: >>NP: T.V. news - unreal There's comfort in melancholy when there's no need to explain........JM Ric and Judy, and now John-John, Caroline and her sister Lauren. John 11: 35 "Jesus wept." As do I. Prayerfully Penny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:51:02 EDT From: KerriLynn@aol.com Subject: VOTE FOR SIQUOMB!! Hello fellow jmdlers.... I'm yet another lurker who has been around the list for at least a year.... Anyway, I'm sure you have heard about VH1's 100 greatest women of rock.... you can cast your vote here... www.vh1.com/100women/vote.tin So please do so now!!! Love to all.... Kerri np: lucy kaplansky - ten year night... (a must have) goin' to see her in Chester NY! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:06:51 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: Kennedy tragedy Hi guys....got into the newsroom where I work (in Sydney) this morning to hear the tragic news of John F Kennedy Junior....I just can't believe how these things happen, is this family going to forever be struck with tragedy?? Wondering what the mood over in the US is.....How do these things happen and why...and what is with the Kennedys?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:18:45 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: re: many men and joni Thanks to all who participated in this line of discussion...there were many wise words and I learnt a lot (as always with this list) I wasn't expecting such firey religious debate to come out of it...but I found everyones ideas very interesting... Someone mentioned "Cactus Tree" in regards to this issue...I've been reading over the words and I just think it's an amazing song...she really explains it all. Thanks again Ange Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:51:45 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: Moon Songs (NJC) There have been some interesting mentions of songs with moon references. On this 30th anniversary (gosh I feel old!!) of Neil Armstrong's walk on the moon, can I mention my own particular favourite moon song - the Grateful Dead's "Standing on the Moon" from their "Built To Last Album" (1989). "Standing on the moon I see the battle rage below Standing on the moon I see the soldiers come and go There's a metal flag beside me Someone planted long ago ..." John. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 21:57:34 -0400 (EDT) From: pam tompkins Subject: :Phoenix - njc I was just wondering is there anyone out there from Arizona? I live in Scottsdale and would love to have a Joni Gathering.......anyone? Pam NP: Come In From The Cold (how appropriate is that) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:05:07 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: fallflowers I asked: >btw, does anyone else wonder if there even *are* such things as 'fall flowers'?!?!?> and Catherine supplied: >Asters, my dear. Asters and mums.> *S* thanks Catherine! I knew when I asked that if there were such things, someone here would know their stuff about it. pat ps - does the time delay of this response give ya some idea of how very far behind I am? LoL! NP: For Free - live from MOA http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: The Hinton Biog. SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > The Hinton Bio. of Joni can be ordered from Barnes and Noble--it is in stock. Mark in Seattle wrote: > I have yet to see this book anywhere. I've looked at Tower Books, > Barnes & Noble, Borders - never seen it. I have a confession to make. Whenever I'm in a bookstore (Borders, Barnes & Noble, etc) that has this book on its shelves, I turn it around so that the spine is no longer visible. I can't correct the errors, but I can hide the whole damn thing! And then I go into the cd department and put all the Joni's in chronological order. Dr Sigmondegreen - is there hope for me?? Later, Brian npimh: those crazy cries of love === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:54:01 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: The Hinton Biog. In a message dated 7/17/99 11:46:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, briangross@rocketmail.com writes: << Dr Sigmondegreen - is there hope for me?? >> No. Veyizmeer, I'm kidding my little schmendrick. Ass lonk as you keep mine books prominently displayed, you shoot be ok, mine kinder. Dr. SigMondegreen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:10:01 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: My Favorite MIDIs Thanks to Ken Slarty I'm enjoying a MIDI version of Two Grey Rooms. Ever since the tape tree that included "Speechless", the instrumental version of "Two Grey Rooms", I've loved this melody and naturally, her piano playing. I miss her piano playing. Ken's site includes this page with MIDIs, ready to download: http://www.total.net/~slarty/midi.htm I wanna learn to play piano. Does anyone have opinions on which Joni songs are easier to learn? np: Tape Tree #3's "London Bridge Song" - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 21:09:29 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: fallflowers ...and wally observed: >what about cyclamen? they thrive here, especially after the first frosts. though they would be pretty hard to braid in your hair, unless you remove the bulbs.> hey wally, wow, I'm getting a regular botany lesson here! *S* suppose it makes sense, though, in the overall seasonal balance of things natural... (though I haven't seen the change of seasons, except from rainy to dry and back, for the last 24yrs...) thanks! pat NP: Tell Me Why - N. Young http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 21:08:47 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Moon Songs (NJC) > There have been some interesting mentions of songs with moon references. > > On this 30th anniversary (gosh I feel old!!) of Neil Armstrong's walk on the > moon, can I mention my own particular favourite moon song - the Grateful > Dead's "Standing on the Moon" from their "Built To Last Album" (1989). > > "Standing on the moon > I see the battle rage below > Standing on the moon > I see the soldiers come and go > There's a metal flag beside me > Someone planted long ago > ..." > > John. From Lily Tomlin's routine 'Glenna, A Child of the Sixties' "They planted a flag and hit a golf ball. There is now a flag and a golf ball on the moon. I mean is this happening or is it the hash?" Mark in Seattle who often looks at the moon behind the pine. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #314 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?