From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #310 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, July 15 1999 Volume 04 : Number 310 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "And the nominations are..." (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Hello, I'm new. [Russ Harlan ] Re: dog eat dog, larry (jc) [TerryM2442@aol.com] UK JMDL ["Phil Klein" ] Guitar advice NJC ["Hejira" ] Re: Gay?NJC [catman ] Re: Gay? [catman ] Beatles/Mia (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Gay? NJC [catman ] Re: Dory Previn /u.k gathering n.j.c ["gerry mcnee" ] NJC Joni and her... [Vince Lavieri ] Re: UK JMDL [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Joni in GLAMOUR magazine & David Lahm Interview (now NJC) [AzeemAK@ao] Re: NJC:Dory Previn [AzeemAK@aol.com] David Baerwald (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Darryl Purpose (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: The Hinton Biography of JM [Deb Messling ] SV: Plugged or unplugged? (NJC) ["Peter Holmstedt" ] SV: Plugged or unplugged (NJC) ["Peter Holmstedt" ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Jonatha Brooke in L.A. and KCRW (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] guitars, where to begin,etc.... [waytoblu@mindspring.com] god stuff (NJC) [Clancyhart@aol.com] Working out with Joni [FMYFL@aol.com] The dogging of Dog Eat Dog [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Working out with Joni [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Working out with Joni [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: The Hinton Biography of JM [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Some source of light... [Michael Paz ] Re: dog eat dog, larry (jc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: dog eat dog, larry (jc) ["Seawind" ] Re: Guitar advice NJC [Randy Remote ] Cook book (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: "And the nominations are..." (NJC) ["Kakki" ] VG-8 Tuning [Michael Paz ] NJC-Lilith Fair [Randy Remote ] Never as Good as the First Time (apologies to Sade) [Joseph Palis ] Re: dog eat dog, and '80s joni again ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:10:19 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: "And the nominations are..." (NJC) Kakki said: <> Hey, Kakki, start drinking some of that water! I've already challenged Granny Heather to tennis @ Ashara's; all we need is a fourth and we can play doubles! It's the Premier Joni Mitchell Invitational Tennis Tourney! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:15:14 -0400 From: Russ Harlan Subject: Hello, I'm new. Hi to all, I am new to the list, although a longtime admirer of Joni's work. I stumbled upon it through one of those happy web surfing accidents. I am enjoying the intelligent discourse. I suppose it says a lot for Ms. M that her discussion list would be populated with such thoughtful and interesting people. I am intrigued by the mention of "Tape Trees." Like some of you I was rather disappointed that the ambitious box set that we originally hoped for from Joni turned into "Hits" and "Misses." I would love to hear some of her rarer recordings. Can someone explain to me if, and how, I might partake of the tree? (Unless of course, it is forbidden -- I understand some trees are just *that way*.) Regards, - -RussH "One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared'." - - Vice President Dan Quayle, 12/6/89 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:14:49 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: dog eat dog, larry (jc) In a message dated 7/14/99 4:49:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, trxschwa@bway.net writes: << by the way, nothing can be done (from nrh) is a duet with david baerwald. >> I find it so interesting to read which songs folks love and hate. This is one that just doesn't do it for me- I find it so monotonous. Who is David Baerwald? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:22:02 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: UK JMDL > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:17:39 +0100 > From: catman > Subject: UK JMDL > > Okay, several positve responses now. Please respond to this message if > you are willing to meet here in March. Even if you already did. I will > then post a list of those who want to come. A weekend is not problem for > those who cannot make a weekday. > bw > colin > Yeah. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:28:28 +0100 From: "Hejira" Subject: Guitar advice NJC I want to buy an Acoustic Guitar and teach myself how to play but don't know the first thing about what to buy or where to start. Can anyone help. Thanks Kevin (HEJIRA28@MSN.COM) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:51:35 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Gay?NJC I refer you to Micahel's post in which he informed us that there were no really str8 men anyhow. As for the women well who knows, there may be more. Martin Giles wrote: > Any straight Joni fans on the list? > > Martin. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:52:51 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Gay? Don Rowe wrote: > --- Martin Giles wrote: > > Any straight Joni fans on the list? > > > > Martin. > > > I'll stand up and be counted! That was veeerry quick Don. What could your promptness mean? :-0 > > > Don Rowe > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:06:58 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Beatles/Mia (NJC) My friend Irish Philip wrote: >Even Sgt Pepper had a dud track. It did? Which one? And Jason (clearly smitten) wrote: >Careful Kakki,....I've taken all week to calm down from seeing Miss >Davenport in action at Wimbledon ;-) But I'm not giving up my Mia Hamm poster. No way. Uh-uh. :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:02:58 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Gay? NJC Whilst not one man or woman responded with 'i am gay' we now have several who repsond with 'i am str8'! Just a little observation..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:00:45 +0100 From: "gerry mcnee" Subject: Re: Dory Previn /u.k gathering n.j.c - ---------- >From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) >To: joni-digest@smoe.org >Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #308 >Date: Wed, Jul 14, 1999, 8:00 am > >Boy, does that take me back... Dory Previn. I haven't listened to Dory >Previn in decades. delurker here suprised to see Dory mentioned as i have been listening to her constantly of late and was wondering if any one of you informative folks knew what she is up to these days. i have tried the www but didnt come up with much.with regards to the u.k jmdl get together i'd love to put faces to the many wonderful posts i read (special mention to catmans last few which got my full agreement) by the way colin happy belated anniversary it's great to know a gay couple has been together so long,i hope that dosent sound to patronising but in my experience it's very rare .i hope you are both very happy.iv'e been following the DED thread but must confess i really dont like that album at all although i've probably only heard it about 3 times all the way through,this seems to be the general feeling of the list,untill recently. after reading the positive post i'm puting on new ears and giving it another go i might even play CMITRS. n/p Momus (20 vodka jellies) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:08:10 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: The Hinton Biography of JM Since I've been a subscriber to the list I've noticed that the few mentions of the Hinton biography of JM that have appeared have all been disparaging. While I've had the book for sometime now and have browsed through it many times looking for specific things, I've only just begun to read it from cover to cover. I've actually learnt quite a bit from it and I'm wondering why it seems to be generally regarded as a 'bad' book. What is it I'm missing? Perhaps I haven't come to the 'dodgy' parts yet and will understand when I've read the complete book. I'm sure there must have been some intense discussion of this book after it was published and I wish I'd been around at the time. I'd appreciate some enlightenment on this. John. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:33:14 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Joni and her... Like Helen, I am jumping in here late but not because of illness, and I hope you get better soon, Helen! Regarding Joni and her "many men" (and who can define "many"?) I personally feel it is none of my business. I have enough problems managing my own life without running hers, and nothing in the Scriptures that I read gives me the right to have a comment on someone else's private life, at least outside of a pastoral counseling session where I can only ask questions, not give answers, to help the other person - if I can! - sort out what is best for that other person. That said, I shut up. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:49:50 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: UK JMDL In a message dated 13/07/99 10:20:33 GMT Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Okay, several positve responses now. Please respond to this message if you are willing to meet here in March. >> Count me in, Colin. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:49:55 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in GLAMOUR magazine & David Lahm Interview (now NJC) In a message dated 14/07/99 14:15:50 GMT Daylight Time, mann@chicagonet.net writes: << Found Joni in the new August issue of Glamour magazine. Page160 >> I'm sorry, but I can't hear or read the phrase "glamour magazine" without being reminded of that immortal episode of Seinfeld where George got caught, um, pleasuring himself, by his mother, and they all had a bet as to who could last longest without surrendering to onanistic urges. Aaaaaanyway... Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:49:53 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC:Dory Previn In a message dated 14/07/99 13:44:26 GMT Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << Librarian here. Dory's autobiography Midnight Baby is a must read. Sadly, she is an overlooked talent all around. >> She's written at least one other autobiography: the one I've got is called "Bogtrotter", and it's a fascinating read. I've got a couple of albums too, and reading about her has made me want to listen to them again. I love "Beware of Young Girls", a not-at-all-veiled and deliciously wry reference to the fact that she lost her hubby to Mia Farrow! Little known fact: on "Desert Island Discs", a very long running radio prog in which prominent people choose their favourite 8 records, both Neil Kinnock, the former leader of the Labour Party, and his wife Glenys, now an MEP, chose Dory Previn songs. Thank you and good night (way past my bedtime) Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:49:56 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: David Baerwald (NJC) In a message dated 14/07/99 23:18:26 GMT Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << Who is David Baerwald? >> He's a singer, songwriter and multi-instrumentalist; used to be in a duo with David Ricketts, called, wait for it, David and David. One album, "Boomtown", very good; he's done 2 solo albums of which I'm aware, "Bedtime Stories" and "Triage". Also involved with Sheryl Crow's first (and best, IMO) album. Check him out, he's a bloody good singer. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:49:52 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Darryl Purpose (NJC) In a message dated 13/07/99 15:58:25 GMT Daylight Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << Darryl is an old buddy of mine, and in fact headlined the Living Tradition concert series I produce, just last month. I echo all the nice things Peter had to say, and add that he is a really nice guy, puts on a great show, has a social conscience, and spent a number of years making his living as a blackjack player, hence the title of his first CD "The Right Side of Zero". >> Aha! I have a Darryl Purpose story! This is so strange, to hear that name again after, I guess, 8 or 9 years. It was a gig at a tiny venue in London, the Half Moon in Putney, on a very cold winter's day. The performer was Sally Barker, a very fine English singer/songwriter. I got talking to this American guy, I think he was from LA, and recommended which of Sally's albums to buy. We had a good chat, and he mentioned that he was a singer and songwriter himself. In fact I've still got his address somewhere. The thing I most remember is that as we were walking back towards the tube station, which involved crossing the Thames, he asked me to take a photo of him with his camera, showing the snow, as he'd never seen snow before - at least not settled, as it was then. Do mention this to him, Steve, in case he remembers. It was a great gig, by the way! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:23:40 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: The Hinton Biography of JM My main complaint is that Hinton was lazy. He evidently did no original research for this book, but relied on whatever he could find in published articles. So for me, there was no new light shed on anything. I've already most of those articles, thanks to Wally and Les. When Hinton *does* include a little original thought into the book, his original thoughts are kind of goofy. Witness his assertion that Joni is calling James Taylor a transvestite when she refers to him wearing "suspenders." (the British use the word suspenders to refer to what Americans call garters). At 04:08 PM 7/14/99 PDT, you wrote: >While I've had the book for sometime now and have browsed through it many >times looking for specific things, I've only just begun to read it from >cover to cover. I've actually learnt quite a bit from it and I'm wondering >why it seems to be generally regarded as a 'bad' book. What is it I'm >missing? Perhaps I haven't come to the 'dodgy' parts yet and will understand >when I've read the complete book. > Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:03:02 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: SV: Plugged or unplugged? (NJC) > Från: Gene Mock > In defense of Peter, I've taken his opinion on a couple of his plugs. > And much to my surprise he has very good taste in music. > So thanks Peter, keep the "plugs" coming. Thank you so much! It warms my heart! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:11:24 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: SV: Peter/Darryl (NJC) > From: Steve Dulson > I passed Peter's plug of Darryl Purpose's CD back to > Darryl himself, and rec'd the following: > >That's so cool! > >And I don't even know the guy who posted it. > >Thanks for passing it on! Thank you so much! I owe you a ton . . . . . Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:02:37 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: SV: Plugged or unplugged (NJC) > From: "Paul Castle" > Since (recently at least) you don't seem to post anything relating > to Joni Mitchell, it is a fairly natural assumption to think that > you are 'using' the list for less than altruistic purposes. Well, I did post the news on Joni's next album a couple of weeks ago . . . . . Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:24:51 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: SV: Plugged or unplugged (NJC) > From: philipf@tinet.ie > I'd recommend a little more balance in the plug of the week > reviews. I mean every week dosen't bring a great new > discovery or a record that you can't live without. .....well, the plugs aren't meant to be reviews or anything like that..... I just wanna share some good music..... If you like Joni, I'm sure you'll enjoy Laura Allen..... If you like James Taylor, I'm sure you'd appreciate Eugene Ruffolo or Darryl Purpose..... If you like Dan Fogelberg, you'd be sure to love Doug Ingoldsby..... Etc. etc..... Take them simply as some small suggestions on all of the amazing music that's out there..... Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:12:30 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Crosby Pevar Raymond - US Tour 1999 DATE DAY CITY VENUE 8/11/99 Wed Uncasville, CT Mohegan Sun Casino 8/12/99 Thu Nothampton, MA Iron Horse (2) 8/13/99 Fri Providence, RI Lupo's 8/15/99 Sun Bethel, NY Yasgur's Farm 8/16/99 Mon New York City, NY Irving Plaza 8/17/99 Tue Amagansett, NY Stephen's Talkhouse 8/19/99 Thu Alexandria, VA Birchmere 8/20/99 Fri Pittsburgh, PA Rosebud 8/21/99 Sat Buffalo, NY (t) 8/25/99 Wed Lexington, KT Kentucky Theater 8/27/99 Fri Chicago, IL Lincoln Park Zoo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:40:50 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Misc. Answers "Just when ya get a taste for worshipping they bring out the hammers and the boards an' the nails." shawn streamed... Martin asked: Any straight Joni fans on the list? Yes, there are. I am one. Maybe we should have "Straight Week" on the list. Is it okay to be straight here? :) - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:38:30 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Jonatha Brooke in L.A. and KCRW (NJC) July 31- Jonatha Brooke to perform live at a local Starbucks in L.A. and broadcast live on KCRW's Weekend Becomes Eclectic. Updates on her webpage at http://www.jonathabrooke.com Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:06:51 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: guitars, where to begin,etc.... I think it is very important to start out with a good guitar when you are first learning how to play. Starting out with a bad and/or cheap guitar only creates more problems and obstacles. I learned how to play on a Sigma guitar which is basically a japanese version of a Martin. They make really nice guitars that are affordable, and I would recommend them to someone looking to buy a first guitar. I would also recommend Seagull guitars which are handmade guitars from Canada, they have a beautiful sound, and are also very affordable. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:25:15 EDT From: Clancyhart@aol.com Subject: god stuff (NJC) i've been reading the religion thread with mixed feelings. it always hurts me to see anger and judgment expressed on the list--it is so obvious to me that the people here are so spiritual, so full of "the flowers of deep feelings...", and i have learned so much from this unique blend of personalities. it never ceases to amaze me...before this list, i thought all joni fans were just hippie chicks like me... when my kids come to me with questions about god, i share my beliefs with them--christianity mixed up with a healthy dose of buddhism, reincarnation all jumbled up with heaven, self-love and god love and mommy love--but i also remind them that they know as much about god as i do. or as anyone does. and lastly, in digest #179, vince said some amazing things about the church, and about christian love. i saved it as a text file, and i read it from time to time. reminds me why i still call myself a christian, even though i can't sit through a church service without feeling like a stranger. amy, who has my "jesus is a liberal" sticker right next to my "blessed be" sticker on the bumper of my ' 88 honda. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:46:24 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Working out with Joni I workout at the gym five days a week. Since I detest the radio station where I train, I always take my Sony Walkman and usually listen to tapes that are techno or the typical aerobic tapes to get that extra boost of energy. Today I decided to put in a cassette of random Joni songs to see if I could still have a decent workout. Well folks, I did!!!! I could really get into the treadmill and lifting weights while listening to Joni's music. Some songs were more inspiring than others such as "Free Weights in Paris", "Training the Tiger", "The Magdalene Lunges", "Sets Kills", "Up and Down to You", and "Happiness is the Best Dead Lift", but nonetheless I was pumping like a white-assed deer. Then all my efforts were destroyed when I got home, went to the cupboard and started snacking on Twinkies while listening to "The Hoho Dance". Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:06:21 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: The dogging of Dog Eat Dog All this unholy talk.......Dog Eat Dog I dragged out my copy of DED. Wow ....I think I like Friction more than ever. This is not my favorite Joni release either, but far from a throw away. It sounds better than I recall. I never owned STAS until around 1983, let alone listened closely to it until a few years ago.Those early recordings get a lot attention on the list. Although I was old enough in '68 to have heard it on the radio, I still mostly prefer Joni's '70's releases. Another side note, as a response to a recent Neil Young reference. I really like Neil's -Landing on Water, Everybody's Rockin', and Trans! Harvest Moon is way overrated.. IMHO.... so much for popular opinion. Hey Bob M........I resemble that punctuation remark.............!!!!! Back to DED. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:13:51 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Working out with Joni In a message dated 7/15/99 2:49:36 AM, you wrote: <> Unless I have houseguests, I work-out every morning in my house with free weights and a rebounder. Joni can be a bit too "soft" for a good workout, but I've found that a lot of the songs from MOA pack a good bite. Lately, I've been listening to STAS and those songs are just about right for weight work. Ditto for TTT. This is a big change for me, since I tend to listen to Springsteen or the Beatles more than anything else while exercising. Since my listening to music time is limited, I'm happy to find out the Joni works out well with me. MG - sans houseguests ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:14:21 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Working out with Joni In a message dated 7/14/99 9:49:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Then all my efforts were destroyed when I got home, went to the cupboard and started snacking on Twinkies while listening to "The Hoho Dance". >> I'm roaring here.. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:55:06 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: The Hinton Biography of JM In a message dated 7/14/99 8:24:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << When Hinton *does* include a little original thought into the book, his original thoughts are kind of goofy. Witness his assertion that Joni is calling James Taylor a transvestite when she refers to him wearing "suspenders." (the British use the word suspenders to refer to what Americans call garters). >> What some people call "original thought," I would call "making stuff up." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:45:15 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Some source of light... ...and humor! Good one, Sun! Michael Shawn, a poor misguided 15-year old boy, sneaks onto his mother's computer and writes: <> First off, for directing this missive to one of the sweetest and fairest members of this community, go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not listen to Joni. Second, let's make a deal...we'll all get lives, you return to 6th grade and learn how to PUNCTUATE A SENTENCE!!! (In best Sam Kinison voice) :~D Seriously, I was baffled to say the least at this comment. Escaping this kind of attitude and lack of understanding is the reason most of us are here... Bob, who's already such a bright light his Dad calls him "Sun" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:44:54 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: dog eat dog, larry (jc) > i just think most of the album is misconceived. the production sounds > trite, at a time when many artists were using the same sounds and tools to > make music that sounded so much better. someone countered me to say that > the harshness was appropriate, given the political material, but where does > that leave 'good friends'? Well 'someone' replies that maybe she could have slipped a dulcimer or piano in for that track but where would that leave the rest of the record? With its aural and artistic integrity cracked right up the middle. that song looks good on paper and just sounds > terrible on the album. We each have our own opinions. I like 'Good Friends' and think it works as well as any song on DED and better than quite a few of them. It manages to be upbeat in an album that is mostly pretty grim and yet she makes it work with the whole. Joni has said that DED was her looking out at what was happening in the world at the time because nobody else was. Isn't it appropriate that she would choose an '80s' sound for a record that is a social comment on the 80s? Thomas Dolby, Larry Klein or Joni - whoever was responsible I still think the record has a unique sound and that is primarily because of Joni's material and musical sense. > that's called collaboration, and it's a critical component of an artistic > life. i wish she had collaborated with someone on taming the tiger, it's a > much more boring album than chalkmark, though the material is probably > stronger (it's really hard to tell). Well again we disagree (but that's fine, isn't it?) I think TTT is a beautiful record and hangs together much better that CMIARS. Chalkmark is uneven and disjointed to me although I agree that lakota, the tea-leaf prophecy and snakes and > ladders are among her finest creations. I would also include 'Beat of Black Wings' Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 05:48:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC Country Life! Poor me. I am really ill. I have colic. VERY painful. Started yesterday with stomach cramps. They looked and felt just like contractions! Anyway, it wasn't too bad. I awoke this morning in agony and frightened. The pain was truly awful. I called a Doctor. I had to drive myself 10 miles away to see him. Puked all over his office and had to stop the car on the way home and puke some more. Feeling a bit better, pain not so bad. Found one drawback to living apart during the week-John isn't here to attend to me and make it better. Hence this attention seeking post! - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:19:14 -0400 From: "Seawind" Subject: Re: dog eat dog, larry (jc) I believe DED is an almost flawless work. I loved it at the time of its release and I still do and I could never understand the cold reception it received. For me, it's the 1980s in a nutshell. TTT, on the other hand, left me cold. I think it and "Wild Things" are among La Mitchell's weakest efforts -- but even within these albums are great moments, such as "Chinese Cafe" and "Harlem In Havana." - -----Original Message----- From: Mark or Travis To: patrick leader ; Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:47 AM Subject: Re: dog eat dog, larry (jc) >> i just think most of the album is misconceived. the production >sounds >> trite, at a time when many artists were using the same sounds and >tools to >> make music that sounded so much better. someone countered me to say >that >> the harshness was appropriate, given the political material, but >where does >> that leave 'good friends'? > >Well 'someone' replies that maybe she could have slipped a dulcimer or >piano in for that track but where would that leave the rest of the >record? With its aural and artistic integrity cracked right up the >middle. > > that song looks good on paper and just sounds >> terrible on the album. > >We each have our own opinions. I like 'Good Friends' and think it >works as well as any song on DED and better than quite a few of them. >It manages to be upbeat in an album that is mostly pretty grim and yet >she makes it work with the whole. > >Joni has said that DED was her looking out at what was happening in >the world at the time because nobody else was. Isn't it appropriate >that she would choose an '80s' sound for a record that is a social >comment on the 80s? Thomas Dolby, Larry Klein or Joni - whoever was >responsible I still think the record has a unique sound and that is >primarily because of Joni's material and musical sense. > > >> that's called collaboration, and it's a critical component of an >artistic >> life. i wish she had collaborated with someone on taming the tiger, >it's a >> much more boring album than chalkmark, though the material is >probably >> stronger (it's really hard to tell). > >Well again we disagree (but that's fine, isn't it?) I think TTT is a >beautiful record and hangs together much better that CMIARS. >Chalkmark is uneven and disjointed to me although I agree that > > lakota, the tea-leaf prophecy and snakes and >> ladders > >are among her finest creations. I would also include 'Beat of Black >Wings' > >Mark in Seattle > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:24:49 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Guitar advice NJC Hejira wrote: > I want to buy an Acoustic Guitar and teach myself how to play but don't know > the first thing about what to buy or where to start. > Can anyone help. > Thanks > Kevin 1) Plan on spending at least $200. Check the want ads for a used guitar. 2) Unless you are planning on playing classical music, you are after a steel string, not a nylon string instrument. 3) There's no way an email can tell you how to choose a decent guitar. Find someone who plays to check out the instrument before you buy it. Playability varies greatly, and there is nothing like a high action (strings far from the fretboard) to discourage a beginner. 4. Then take some lessons, and most importantly, practice every day. Ideally twice a day for 20-40 minutes. You'll be cruisin' in no time. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:27:36 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Cook book (NJC) Jerry wrote: " Now that TT8 taping is over (mostly) and Joni's Jazz is but a memory, I'm working on the cookbook. Unfortunately the road I had pursued needs a minimum order of 200 and about a $500 investment from me. So now I'm looking at local printing options. If anyone has had good experience with such with Kinko's, Staples, or others please let me know." Hi Jerry- I wanted to let you know that my wife Freda is in the biz and has lots of contacts on printing. She told me she was willing to help out on this project if you need it. She knows how much time I spend with you folks and I told her we were supporting our hosts with this effort. Let us know exactly what we can do to help. Best, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:14:46 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: "And the nominations are..." (NJC) Bob wrote: > Hey, Kakki, start drinking some of that water! I've already challenged > Granny Heather to tennis @ Ashara's; all we need is a fourth and we can > play doubles! It's the Premier Joni Mitchell Invitational Tennis Tourney! What?! Are you guys setting up a lawn court? Now I have to bring a racket along with my guitar and other stuff? Next thing you know a golfing green will be constructed in Ashara's back yard and you'll be telling us to bring our clubs. ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:33:01 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: VG-8 Tuning Hi Heather- The guitar that she plays is a Parker guitar made especially for her (and according to their artist relations manager who I spoke to today about getting one for me, its called a Concert series) is plugged into the VG-8 where the "tunings" are stored as "patches". The guitar itself is tuned in standard 440 tuning. You can get some amazing sounds out of them. I will be demonstrating the Vg-8 with my NEW Roland ready strat on Labor Day weekend in New England. I will also be offering free rides. Hope this cleared up your question. Cheers, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:36:35 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: NJC-Lilith Fair Just got back from the Lilith Fair in the Bay Area.... WOOOOO CHIX ROCK! Pretenders kicked serious butt... Chrissy yanked out her in-ear monitors during the second song, and got down.... Sheryl Crow and her band were fantastic.. Though not a Sarah McLaughlin fan, I came away with a new appreciation for her, she was singing beautifully, her band has a delicate power....Sandra Bernhard was funny, foxy, and did a great version of "Dream On" (Aerosmith) backed by a piano player.....Dance diva Mya had a nice energy, and put on some tap dancing shoes, wired to the sound system, and jammed with her conga player......Luscious Jackson were good, but too loud to be totally enjoyable....and Sixpence None the Richer turned them on at the 2nd stage.... It was definately worth the two days it took me to get there and back, even with the big chemical spill that closed the freeway all day, and forced me to detour....Mercury went retro today, folks, just so ya know..... Buzzed and fried, RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:22:39 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Never as Good as the First Time (apologies to Sade) I can relate to people's claim that DED spoke to them in a way other Joni albums did not or cannot. Unlike many of the Listers who must have followed Joni's career since the 70s, I only got a handle of Joni the year NIGHT RIDE HOME came out (early 90s) as I was into jazz of the 40s to 60s in a big way. My friend from Cyprus cornered me one night and drunkenly told me about this great singer Joni Mitchell and the undeniable talent, the perspicacity, the way with words, the way she touches people and the way she writes about that particularly nuanced feeling on just about anything. The next album was DED for me. I remembered liking "Ethiopia" right away and by this time I was already forming an opinion about "Joni music". When I started collecting her earlier albums, I was surprised that she did not sound like what I thought she would considering that she was quite miles away from her later outputs. I likened her to Ella Fitzgerald where a different setting is sure to bring out an aspect of her we haven't known yet. She belongs to the exalted level of musicians/artists where I don't quite care what her next album's she's like as I am sure that anything about her is always worth listening, just like how I told friends when they asked why I bought Kazuo Ishiguro's widely-lambasted novel "The Unconsoled" to friends: "Any bad Ishiguro is infinitely better than no Ishiguro". Joseph (whose favorite Joni album is HOSL) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:34:29 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: stinkbombs (NJC) Bob M. writes: << Shawn, a poor misguided 15-year old boy, sneaks onto his mother's computer and writes: [snip]>> Now now, Bob, I know 35-year olds who write like Shawn does, and I know 15-year olds who write very differently. (I suspect it was those qualities that you and Patrick observe in the writing style that lead you to peg Shawn as a 15-year old. Or did I miss where Shawn introduced himself?) So watch it with the assumptions. ;) - --David P.S. For that matter, Shawn can be a girl's name, as in Shawn Colvin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:38:48 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Misc. Answers (NJC) Jim Lamadoo wrote: <> Yes. It's "okay" to be straight everywhere. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:40:27 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: dog eat dog, and '80s joni again I must have missed this one written by someone named Shawn(?): << get a life joni dosent want to be worshiped you people who << think she can do no wrong well she like any artist has put out << her share of stink bombs. To me its so personal how can you << guys just talk and talk - take it for what it is or means to you. << Dont worship the ground she walks on, strive to be a light as << bright as her. Remember every picture has its shadows.>> but, except for the "get a life" part, I can easily imagine Herself as having written it. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:27:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: stinkbombs (NJC) David postulated: > P.S. For that matter, Shawn can be a girl's name, as in Shawn Colvin. I did have a fleeting thought of it being Shawn Colvin and speculated that perhaps her good friend and producer Don/Larry was calling in some of his soldiers ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:32:36 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: dog eat dog, and '80s joni again Marian wrote: > I must have missed this one written by someone named Shawn(?): > > << get a life joni dosent want to be worshiped you people who > << think she can do no wrong well she like any artist has put out > << her share of stink bombs. To me its so personal how can you > << guys just talk and talk - take it for what it is or means to you. > << Dont worship the ground she walks on, strive to be a light as > << bright as her. Remember every picture has its shadows.>> > > but, except for the "get a life" part, I can easily imagine Herself as > having written it. I don't know, Marian - after I re-read it a few times, I cannot imagine Joni ever admitting to any "stinkbombs", plus the "talk, talk" thing - if She were posting to the list, we'd have veritable reams of Her great chatter and stories pushing out 20 digests a day ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #310 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?