From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #308 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 14 1999 Volume 04 : Number 308 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Circle Game Parody [Louis Lynch ] Re: Great thoughtful comments [Susan Chaloner ] RE: NJC 3 GREAT STIMULANTS [RADJSHARP@aol.com] Re: Joni and her many men.... [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Joni and her many men....NJC [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Great thoughtful comments [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni and her many men....(VLJC) [Heather Galli ] Re: Joni and her many men....(VLJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni and her many men....(VLJC) [Heather Galli ] Re: trip-hop joni [Jason Maloney ] Re: Many Men & Cornflakes/Graham exhibit (vljc) ["Kakki" ] Hunter, The Good Samaritan [Casey Certis-Milby ] Lovers and friends (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni and her many men.... [dsk ] Re: Hunter, The Good Samaritan [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Re: Joni and her many men.... [TerryM2442@aol.com] Peter/Darryl (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #307, Judd's [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Gay? (NJC) [michael paz ] NJC:Dory Previn [pattihaskins@mindspring.com] Re: Gay? (NJC) [catman ] SV: Plugged or unplugged? (NJC) ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #303 [Jason Maloney ] Joni again in L.A. Magazine (vljc) ["Kakki" ] Re: plug or unplug NJC! ["Gene Mock" ] New grandbaby [Bounced Message ] Tango WaltzO (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: dog eat dog, and '80s joni again. [shawn guiter ] Re: dog eat dog, and '80s joni again. ["Kakki" ] (NJC) Joni and her many men [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:47:05 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Circle Game Parody To gr8fuldave: Thank you for the parody on The Circle Game! Excellent writing and ferocious insight, there! Keep up the good work -- you have a gift! I'm sure Ms. Mitchell would be pleased. Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:58:20 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Great thoughtful comments Michael Paz wrote: > I think Klein's/Don's impact on Joni > was a strong one and one of the most lasting in her entire career (which > speaks volumes of him as a player, producer and quite possibly as a > lover) { oh gawd did I say that}. I hope you're right man! ;~D I think Larry/Don is extremely talented...I love his work on Chalk Mark and besides that I love the way he moves when he plays! The man is god to me...I simply adore him...Don's ears must be burning ;~) > Has anyone ever heard a > recording of a tango with any waltz influence in it? Robert are you out there? Robert would know about this...He is part of a group called Viveza and it seems to me they play some tangos with a waltz influence...Is this correct Robert? Check out their cd TANGO, TANGO. Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-Np-Birds in the creek ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:59:17 EDT From: RADJSHARP@aol.com Subject: RE: NJC 3 GREAT STIMULANTS Dear Listers, Thanks so much for your thoughts regarding traits that stimulate favorable responses in others. Chris, Bob, Penny and luvart have been helpful. The Angelou poem is beautiful and I am honored to pass it on to the girls. Thanks for your insights regarding Our Own Joan. I especially enjoy your sense of her history. Bob [not Dylan] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:03:43 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Joni and her many men.... Penny wrote: > Just so I understand this, if one believes God does in fact have > standards, with which only He can and should be the judge, that person > is considered to have a great big ego they should wrestle with? Yes...Judging is an ego based activity...People do it because their identity is invested in something outside their own heart/core...a set of standards, a theory, material things etc...and if other's don't fit their standards or theory of the day they feel compelled to bloody well make them fit even if it means killing them to do it...That ain't peace and it ain't love. It's war and it's based on fear. I don't believe The Great Spirit is such a monster...but people certainly all too frequently are. > It > doesn't matter in the least if that person accepts others regardless of > differences of beliefs or lifestyles and advocates same to all? I don't see you doing that...you're certainly not accepting me the way I am. > Sounds > like a contradiction to the philosophy of grace to me. Yes it is: yours Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-Np-A wishbone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:09:27 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Joni and her many men....NJC Catman, I couldn't agree more and I wish you would consider posting this at least once a week to this list! It bears repeating: > I don't know what God is but i do know what god is not. And God > is not fear, loathing, vengeful, jealous, vain, angry, dictatorial, > punishing, a tyrant, a despot, a control freak. > God accepts us all as we are NOT what we or others think we ought to be! > I have come to see that many people's beliefs are based on fear and not on > love. Put it on continuous loop man ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-NP-The wind all awhisper in the tall grass. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:09:57 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: dog eat dog, and '80s joni again. Hello All- Can't resist jumping in on the recurring DED thread. It's one of my favorite albums... Evian wrote: >Well, since I am so tired, I will just bluntly confess -- I would take >DED over STAS and CLOUDS anyday. I really like the sound of DED, and >not just because I am a Dolby fan. Out of her 80's albums, DED is the >best imho... and out of her body of work as a whole, it definitely rates >in the top 5. I love STAS and CLOUDS... AND DED... (and Hejira... and TI... NRH... DJRD... and....) Well... you get the picture. DED is definitely in my top 5 as well. I too am a Dolby fan... > Which leads us to the same old question again... do we >relate to certain albums because of age, environment, etc? I still >think that I relate so well to DED because I am a child of the '80's, >and maybe I don't relate to STAS all that much because I just "wasn't >there" when STAS came out. But then again, that whole thing doesn't add >up, because I was only a year old when BLUE was released, and that album >changed my life. I bought STAS when it first came out- I'm a child of the 60s... so I don't think age really has any thing to do with liking the sound on DED. Maybe environment??? I dunno... Maybe it's just personal preferences... Given the time and content of the album, I thought the production was brilliant... I love Joni's willingness to continually extend the scope of her art. I admire her greatly for her forthrightness. She spoke up (eloquently as usual) on that album about important issues that were- IMO- bound to piss some people off. I love her for that. > So anyway, again and again the same situation... don't >know why I prefer DED over the first two albums, I just do. No need to explain preferences!!!! bw Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:18:29 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: dog eat dog, and '80s joni again. I didn't hear DED until 94. It is one of my favourite Joni albums. I like the music and the mood and what she says. i am glad I am not a musical expert. From what i have read of criticism of DED, it would prevent me enjoying this album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:35:05 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Many Men & Cornflakes Returned home last night after six days in "Fools Paradise" Las Vegas. My birthday was spent giving thanks that the floods (which damaged 40 trade show booths in the Convention Center as the water swirled in under the doors) did not damage my company's brand new $45,000 exhibit. I had to take off my shoes, socks and roll up my pants to cross the street from the convention center to my hotel. Every day I was singing "Dry Cleaner From Des Moines" silently to myself. It's clever how the hotel was set-up, you had to walk through the casino to get anywhere... Now to "Many Men & Cornflakes" - several years ago there was a fundraising concert in Santa Cruz with Bonnie Raitt and Graham Nash. Graham told a story about how one year Joni was touring as the opening act for CSNY. Graham and Joni were sharing a hotel room and were having breakfast. Joni was confronting Graham about some political comments he was making, "Uphold your country" she said, and then she dumped a bowl of cornflakes on his head! He then said how they proceeded to "...have some of the best they ever had..." Um hum. This was followed by a very sweet performance of "A Case of You" on acoustic guitar... "I could drink a case of you, Joni..," he sang. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:28:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Great thoughtful comments > > I think Klein's/Don's impact on Joni > > was a strong one and one of the most lasting in > her entire career (which > > speaks volumes of him as a player, producer and > quite possibly as a > > lover) { oh gawd did I say that}. > > I hope you're right man! ;~D I think Larry/Don is > extremely talented...I > love his work on Chalk Mark and besides that I love > the way he moves > when he plays! The man is god to me...I simply adore > him...Don's ears > must be burning ;~) > Well something's certainly burning, but ah, I don't think it's my ears ... man, and to think I wake up from my dead faint over Kakki's admission that she actually likes DED best of the 80s albums to find this cheerful bit of mail. Maybe there is hope for this little enclave yet! Thanks a million. Larry Klein (alias Don Rowe) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:37:08 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Joni and her many men....(VLJC) >Catman wrote: > >Susan Chaloner wrote: > >Penny wrote: >And the judging should >be left up to God who gave her all of those gifts. >What is all this judging talk? The Great Spirit would not judge. The >Great Spirit would not find it necessary...but then the Great Spirit is >not puffed up...The Great Spirit just is... > >Catman: >I couldn't agree more, Susan. > >Susan: >Now why don't we all try just >being in the moment...Dare I suggest that we all run away and wrestle >with our great big egos? > >Carry on Joni ;~) > >Then Penny: >Just so I understand this, if one believes God does in fact have >standards, with which only He can and should be the judge, that person >is considered to have a great big ego they should wrestle with? It >doesn't matter in the least if that person accepts others regardless of >differences of beliefs or lifestyles and advocates same to all? Sounds >like a contradiction to the philosophy of grace to me. > Then I stick my nose in: Do you think "standards" should be replaced by "wisdom" ? Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:40:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni and her many men....(VLJC) > Then I stick my nose in: > Do you think "standards" should be replaced by > "wisdom" ? Not at all. Joni has every right to record a album of standards ... but I'm not sure the world is ready for a collection of "wisdoms." Unless handled just right, it would come out something like Jim Morrison's "An American Prayer" -- and we can all do without that, I think. Oh wait, is this the Joni list, or the ontological chat room ... I keep getting them mixed up! ;-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:54:27 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Joni and her many men....(VLJC) >> Then I stick my nose in: >> Do you think "standards" should be replaced by >> "wisdom" ? > Don corrects me :-) >Not at all. Joni has every right to record a album of >standards ... but I'm not sure the world is ready for >a collection of "wisdoms." Unless handled just right, >it would come out something like Jim Morrison's "An >American Prayer" -- and we can all do without that, I >think. > >Oh wait, is this the Joni list, or the ontological >chat room ... I keep getting them mixed up! ;-) > I'm taking my nose back out. I had "standards" out of context .... sorry :-) In my business standards are used as a reference ..... nothing more. One can have a whole slew of standards ... you just have to be careful at how you use them. Yep, I'm takin' my nose out now before I drown myself! ;-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:53:50 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: trip-hop joni Martin wrote: > Jason, no offense intended - I'm only expressing my personal taste, I > actually quite like a lot of the stuff that comes from that > techo/trip-hop/drum and bass school - For instance do you know Cold > Cut's 'Let Us Play' Album, or Art Of Noise's just released 'The > Seduction Of Claude Debussy'? Both favorites of mine. I have to say I am not familar with either of those albums (I take a while to get around to new stuff!), but I have always liked the Art Of Noise. Martin, no offence taken :-) As I said, it was merely something that came to mind after hearing that Costello track. It's not as though I've been spending the last 9 months mumbling to myself "dammit Joni, why didn't you do a trip-hop record?" ;-) Actually, I didn't necessarily infer that utilising the kind of styles that Costello did on "The Bridge I Burned" would result in a trip-hoppy style of album. Even without the "DJ-scratchings", surface-noise and the like, a quite stunning aural end-product could be achieved, and one that was STILL very much Joni. Essentially, I suppose I was musing upon the fact that throughout her career she has always appeared to integrate some aspect of the contemporary musical culture of that particular time. Perhaps the late 70s and early 80s (pre-WTRF) is the only period - other than at the moment - when Joni has preferred to follow her own path (OK, I know she always does her own thing, but you get my drift...don't you?). Maybe these things go in cycles, and in 2002-ish she will produce something radically different to the TI/TTT format. Even if she doesn't, I will still be enjoying and buying the music she creates. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:44:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Many Men & Cornflakes/Graham exhibit (vljc) Leslie wrote: > Returned home last night after six days in "Fools Paradise" Las Vegas. > My birthday was spent giving thanks that the floods (which damaged 40 > trade show booths in the Convention Center as the water swirled in under > the doors) did not damage my company's brand new $45,000 exhibit. I had > to take off my shoes, socks and roll up my pants to cross the street > from the convention center to my hotel. Happy belated birthday and good to hear you were able to swim out of Vegas! > This was followed by a very sweet performance of "A Case of You" on > acoustic guitar... "I could drink a case of you, Joni..," he sang. What a great story - he is always so openly smitten about her. You and other Bay Area jimdlers may be interested to know that Graham was recently honored for his work in photography and his work is on display in Carmel until September. Here's the news release: > Graham Nash to be Honored by Area Museums as Pioneer in Fine Art Photography > > CARMEL, Calif.--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--July 8, 1999--Artist and musician > Graham Nash, world-known as a rock music icon, will receive honors this month > from both the Center for Photographic Art in Carmel and the Monterey Museum > of Art at La Mirada for his work as a photographer and a pioneer in the > development of "digital imaging" for fine art photography. > > Nash's photographic images will be on display at the Center for > Photographic Art in Carmel from Friday, July 9 through Friday, Sept. 10. On > Sunday, July 11, the center will hold an Artist Gala Dinner and Benefit > Auction to mark the opening of "Personal Views," a collection of his > photographic images. The Graham Nash show is the third in the center's > "Cross-Over Project," an annual exhibition focusing on artists who have > achieved high visibility in one medium and have also successfully directed > their creativity toward the photographic image. Past honorees include Dennis > Hopper and Linda McCartney. > > Nash will be on hand at the center from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. on Friday, July > 9 for his show's opening reception and will also attend the Sunday, July 11 > dinner and auction at The Lodge at Pebble Beach. That evening Nash and > partner Mac Holbert will receive the 1999 Technical Contribution Award for > their pioneering work in forming the world's first fine art digital > printmaking studio, Nash Editions. > > Formed in 1991, Nash Editions is widely regarded as the leader in the > field of fine art inkjet printing. The studio has been lauded for technical > advances that greatly widen artists' capabilities to create high quality fine > art pieces utilizing scanned or digitally manipulated images. The partners > will offer a detailed look at these techniques in a workshop to be held at > the center from 9:30 a.m. to 4 p.m. on Saturday, July 10. > > Also on Saturday, July 10, both men will be guests of honor at the > Monterey Museum of Art La Mirada, for a 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. reception and > opening of the exhibition "DIGITAL FRONTIERS: Photography's Future at Nash > Editions." The critically hailed exhibit comes to Monterey after a six month > run at the George Eastman House in Rochester, N.Y., and features works by > artists including David Hockney, Les Krims, Danny Lyon, Martina Lopez, and > others. Kakki, broiling in the L.A. heat NP: Joni - Dog Eat Dog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:04:13 -0700 From: Casey Certis-Milby Subject: Hunter, The Good Samaritan Have recently been listening to TT#2 through the gracious kindness of Bob M., and the song "Hunter, The Good Samaritan" is making me a little crazy. I felt as though at one time I must have known it very well, it had that kind of resonance deep inside. But I have no idea where, when, or how I could have heard it before this, especially enough to have developed the emotional connection I seem to have with it. Bob was able to supply the title for me. Now I am asking for any other pertinent information those of you so well versed in Joni may be able to add. I have been a fan for more than 30 years, and am looking for anything that might help me place it and break this weird deja vu. Thanks! Casey - -- "It is good to have an end to journey towards; but it is the journey that matters in the end." U.K.LeG. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:17:19 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Lovers and friends (NJC) Krys wrote: >No prizes for how many or how few lovers or friends; it's the quality of >those relationships while it lasts that matters. Wisdom, indeed. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:37:54 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni and her many men.... Lisa Peakes wrote: > > I have an old memory - incomplete information, of Joni saying one of the > trips of an artist is to have beautiful lovers - that's about all I can > recall - The following quote is from Tom Wolfe's _The Painted Word_ (a couple of paragraphs away from his definition of the Boho Dance): "The artist's payoff in this ritual [the art mating ritual, which includes the Boho Dance] is obvious enough. He stands to gain precisely what Freud says are the goals of the artist: fame, money, and beautiful lovers." Joni seems to have paid a lot of attention to what Wolfe had to say, although maybe she picked this up from reading Freud's writings directly. I don't agree with this quote, and maybe Joni doesn't either, but I can imagine her making a "beautiful lovers" comment and laughing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:53:00 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Re: Hunter, The Good Samaritan In a message dated 7/13/99 4:05:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, caseycm@cruzio.com writes: > > Have recently been listening to TT#2 through the gracious kindness of > Bob M., and the song "Hunter, The Good Samaritan" is making me a little > crazy. I felt as though at one time I must have known it very well, it > had that kind of resonance deep inside. But I have no idea where, when, > or how I could have heard it before this, especially enough to have > developed the emotional connection I seem to have with it. > Hi Casey, As I've already mentioned to the list, the same exact thing happened to me when I first heard the tape tree version of Joni singing Winter Lady. I knew the melody and most of the words and it just resonated with me as well. I had people doing searches for me trying to figure out who might have recorded it (i.e. Tom Rush or Gordon Lightfoot, etc. ) but no one could find the answer. It was driving me crazy...how did I know this song so well, when I supposedly only heard it for the first time. The answer came to me when I was looking through an early Joni songbook, The Music of Joni Mitchell, the one that has some of the unrecorded songs. There was Winter Lady in the contents with a little dot next to it. It was one of the songs I learned in my first year of playing guitar, probably around 1968. Perhaps something like this is true for you too. I'm not sure if The Good Samaritan is in there. I'd have to check. I can relate very well to the weird feelings you're having about not knowing how you could possibly know that song. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:07:01 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and her many men.... In a message dated 7/13/99 4:36:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dskARTS@concentric.net writes: << He stands to gain precisely what Freud says are the goals of the artist: fame, money, and beautiful lovers." >> Va?? I vas misquoted! Dis is ze troot. Eet vas dat vippersnapper Jung who must haf said zat. Dr. SigMondegreen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:53:53 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Peter/Darryl (NJC) I passed Peter's plug of Darryl Purpose's CD back to Darryl himself, and rec'd the following: >That's so cool! >And I don't even know the guy who posted it. >Thanks for passing it on! >D >ps - What are you doing on the Joni List? :) Hmmmm...wonder how I can answer THAT?!? :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:15:38 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #307, Judd's In reply to Bob: Hearing anything Joni has always been a hair raising experiance for me! :) Guess spell check is in order for this lazy boy... Out of the crotch, Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:56:59 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Gay? (NJC) R Joseph wrote: " Any gay Joni fans out there? then Colin wrote: "Sorry, none on this list." Colin- Me secretary must think I am a stark raving mad loony. I am still screaming on this one. You must have been perched over your computer waiting for this on to come down the pipe (no pun). As far as I am concerned I've been told I am: Really Gay A Little Gay too gay and very macho, but I am sure he (meaning me) could be swayed (like all straight men) Michael (still giggling) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:37:47 -0500 From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: NJC:Dory Previn Susan quoted ...And in private to her mirror did she whisper Saviorette, saviour woman, saviour person Save your breath..."-Dory Previn Boy, does that take me back... Dory Previn. I haven't listened to Dory Previn in decades. Susan, you made me get out my copy of Reflections in a Mud Puddle and revisit my troubled teens. "i dance and dance and smile and smile" was my life preserver. Battles with dad and mom and no boyfriend kind of troubles. I'll spare all the entire song but here's a snip: i'm always loving someone more than he loves me lord i wish just this once that's not how it would be i always try too hard when i find someone new god i wish just this once you'd need me more than i need you i danced to please my father just to win one glance some sign of his approval i danced and danced and danced i smiled to make my mother proud i was her child to gain some small attention i smiled and smiled and smiled and smiled Thanks Susan, Patti Haskins NP- i dance and dance and smile and smile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:07:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Gay? (NJC) michael paz wrote: > R Joseph wrote: > " Any gay Joni fans out there? > > then Colin wrote: > > "Sorry, none on this list." > > Colin- > Me secretary must think I am a stark raving mad loony. I am still > screaming on this one. You must have been perched over your computer > waiting for this on to come down the pipe (no pun). nope-I just had this image of swarms of emails arving saying 'yep me' which tickled me. My response seemd apt. > As far as I am concerned I've been told I am: > Really Gay you die for a dinner date with Barbra. > A Little Gay mmm... like being a little pregnant > too gay - -just not possible > and very macho, ..ooh can i have picture? > but I am sure he (meaning me) could be swayed (like all > straight men) well sheep have managed to sway the best of men so...... > > > Michael (still giggling) giggling? you're gay! - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:27:27 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: SV: Plugged or unplugged? (NJC) > a) you are being paid to say 'another great artist' etc etc or > b) you are just sharing your genuine enthusiasm for your > latest discovery. The answer is definitely b! I've had this question tons of times before, and I will gladly say it again : I am not making a dime on this, I am only doing it for the sheer joy and profound love of music that's out there! I'm only plugging small, independent releases that can't afford the " big-bucks " promotional tools. As you may know, the " CD - and Internet - revolution " has ignited an army of smaller independent labels that is putting out music that's equally good as anything the majors release. You just have to let people know about this wealth of great music! I mean, with a new Joni album every 4 year, you just gotta have some music in between, right...? On a side note : I make my living on EMI Records in Sweden and I wouldn't dream on " spamming " any list with info these releases! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:50:57 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Hunter, The Good Samaritan Was this the first time she wrote a song about a cat ? I presume it was a cat who slept in the toolshed. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:29:33 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Julius (NJC) Sorry to post to the list, but your mail is being returned. Please get in touch with me. Daice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:34:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Thanks to all and Alternative Tunings > Delurking just to express amazement and thanks to you all for the wonderful discussions of late. Argh, words fail me. They always do when I bump up against her genius all over again, as your recent posts have prompted me to do. > > A heartfelt thanks, > > Allison And a heartfelt thanks to you for your wonderful post, Allison. Delurk more often! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:52:39 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: plug or unplug In defense of Peter, I've taken his opinion on a couple of his "plugs." And much to my surprise he has very good taste in music. I just like to know how he finds out about these guys. I mean does he meander the streets and radio stations of the world. There are allot of good musicians out there. So thanks Peter, keep the "plugs" coming/ later gene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 03:37:02 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #303 Doug wrote: > In any event, if this album (DED) had > been recorded by another techno artist (say, Howard Jones) it would have been > hailed by critics with four stars. Hmmm....never heard Howard Jones described as a techno artist before :-) Maybe in the US it was different, but the UK press never hailed anything he ever did wth four stars - two, more often than not. He's still out there making new music, though now a completely "organic" mixture of real instruments and he has a 3-piece band comprising Nick Beggs (ex kajagoogoo) on bass and chapman stick, Robin Boult (former Marillion session guitarist) and Kevin Wilkinson (ex-China Crisis sticksman). They are superb live. Forget the 80s image and all those "preconceived ideas" , it's great stuff. Jason (a "Hojo Talkie", and proud of it!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:52:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni again in L.A. Magazine (vljc) Yet once again, Los Angeles Magazine mentions Joni in yet another article on Les Deux Cafes in the August issue, page 24. However, it seems the magazine has steadily built up the restraurant only to now turn on it (ah, the American way). This time it's an expose on Michelle Lamy's many business debts and lawsuits entitled "Les Debts Cafes" (ouch). Gee, I hope there are still fresh flowers on the table for our Ashara party in August! ;-) The Joni mention comes in the first sentence: "Her chic Hollywood eatery is filled nightly with the likes of Sharon Stone, Val Kilmer, Tom Ford, Cindy Crawford, Joni Mitchell and Madonna." The article concludes that Lamy is blase over the whole situation in "true Parisian" fashion and claims the disputes are resolved and that she is planning construction of another nightclub area on the property. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:39:03 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: Re: plug or unplug NJC! My humble apologies! I will write NJC 1000 times and never never ever do it again. Till the next time. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 9:21 PM Subject: Re: plug or unplug > In a message dated 7/14/99 12:19:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > gmock@psyber.com writes: > > << In defense of Peter, I've taken his opinion on a couple of his "plugs." > And > much to my surprise he has very good taste in music. I just like to know > how he finds out about these guys. I mean does he meander the streets and > radio stations of the world. There are allot of good musicians out there. > So thanks Peter, keep the "plugs" coming/ later gene > >> > but shouldn't they be labeled NJC? > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:49:32 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: New grandbaby Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue I read that Kilauren had her baby. Do we know if it was a girl or boy? If everything is o.k.? Concerned and caring, Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:12:14 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Tango WaltzO (NJC) Susan L.A. wrote: " Robert are you out there? Robert would know about this...He is part of a group called Viveza and it seems to me they play some tangos with a waltz influence...Is this correct Robert? Check out their cd TANGO, TANGO." YES ROBERT CAB YOU HEAR ME?? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: shawn guiter Subject: Re: dog eat dog, and '80s joni again. get a life joni dosent want to be worshiped you people who think she can do no wrong well she like any artist has put out her share of stink bombs. To me its so personal how can you guys just talk and talk take it for what it is or means to you. Dont worship the ground she walks on, strive to be a light as bright as her. Remember every picture has its shadows. - --- Kakki wrote: > Patrick wrote: > > > back to the klein-bashing, doesn't it make more > sense to think of wtrf and > > ded as steps along the klein-mitch collaboration > rather than mistakes she > > made because of that big old bad man? there is > incredibly strong evidence > > that they both learned from their experiences. > first is chalkmark, an > album > > that i love dearly. still thick with production, > but the production fits > > the songs, which makes it a massive improvement > over dog eat dog. lakota? > > i'm listening to the ded version of three great > stimulants (from ded) > right > > now, and yes, i love the acoustic versions better. > but i'm hearing lakota > > in my head, and knowing that an acoustic version > would never match the > > original. i feel this way about most of the > chalkmark songs. > > I've been thinking about the 80s albums and DED even > before this thread > began. While I've stated in the past my feeling that > they are more a > collaboration than a singular effort, there is much > in them that I really > love. And surprisingly to even myself, I think DED > is the best of the 80s > group. (I can hear Don/Larry hitting the floor in a > dead faint as he reads > this ;-) The 80s albums are a "different" Joni to > me and one that felt like > a departure, but not a bad one. Just my subjective > opinion - while I love > many songs on WTRF like Moon At The Window, Chinese > Cafe, Love, and even > Underneath The Streetlights, I think it is the > weakest of the three 80s > albums because it feels uneven to me. I've always > loved Chalkmark, but more > for the lush layers and gorgeous music, rather than > the overall lyrics, > which I think are among her weakest. DED is the > most "even" to me overall > in terms of lyrics and melody. I can tune out the > added "goop" and still > really love the music on DED. It shines through > regardless of the > production or Dolby or Larry or whatever. Someone > mentioned hearing the > guitar version of "The Three Great Stimulants" - > thanks to Phyliss I > listened to the DED interview tape over the weekend > which included that > version and it is beautiful. Also have to mention > that Joni performed the > guitar version of it during the tapings last May. > It was the biggest > surprise of the night for a number of us. > Unfortunately it was cut, along > with many other great songs like Slouching Toward > Bethlehem, from the final > PPV/video. > > Kakki > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:24:59 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Great parody! gdave- Great job on the parody of Circle Game. It does change the outlook on things though don't it. Bet ya had fun writing that. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:28:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: dog eat dog, and '80s joni again. Shawn Guiter wrote: > get a life But this *is* our life!! > joni dosent want to be worshiped you people who think she > can do no wrong well she like any artist has put out her share of stink > bombs. Oh what blasphemy! > To me its so personal how can you guys just talk and talk take > it for what it is or means to you. We're just nuts, I guess. It must have been that word "Discussion List" that lured us and reeled us in. > Dont worship the ground she walks on, strive to be a light as bright as her. Remember every picture >has its shadows. O.K., thanks for the great advice! Chatty Kakki NP: Joni - Fiction (my personal favorite from DED) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: (NJC) Joni and her many men Hi JMDLers! Well, wasn't that lots of fun to witness!? ;-) On my way home I was telling our daughter, I had taken her to work with me today, that I was expecting a trashing on the list when I checked in.....sure enough! Briefly explaining the concept of grace and how a lister had said she was having a hard time defending Joni when people mocked her for her many lovers, I let her read all the pertaining posts in the thread. Even the one I sent as a private reply to Susan LA that she posted to the list. (Hey, we live on the Pacific Coast too, so I know how the brain just doesn't function quite right without that morning mocha!) Taryn, a mere 12 year old, just shook her head. So to glean the good that can be found in every situation, the nastiness displayed became an education for my daughter on what can happen when people willfully choose to twist others' words and try to taint the spirit and content of the heart of which it came. Thanks for the opportunity to teach her that valuable lesson so early in life. Don wrote: Not at all. Joni has every right to record a album of standards ... but I'm not sure the world is ready for a collection of "wisdoms." Unless handled just right, it would come out something like Jim Morrison's "An American Prayer" -- and we can all do without that, I think. Oh wait, is this the Joni list, or the ontological chat room ... I keep getting them mixed up! ;-) Don Rowe LOL Don! And I'm loving every second of the standards I'm hearing Joni sing on the A Day In The Garden tape. Still wishing all peace, Penny ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #308 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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