From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #300 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, July 9 1999 Volume 04 : Number 300 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Amelia ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] [Fwd: Re: Amelia] ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: My 2 cents worth (almost NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni are you out there? ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: [Fwd: Re: Amelia] [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Those engraved numbers on records [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni are you out there? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Furry Sings, Dogs Bark, & Joan The Bitch [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:23:54 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: Amelia Mark wrote: > > I > think it is about searching for something - love, happiness, > fulfillment, glory - and being ultimately frustrated by wrong turns & > dead ends. Will > the arms you crashed into when the overwhelming feeling you felt when > you looked down on everything keep you safe and make you happy? Guess > again. Another false alarm. Is there some answer in fulfilling that > dream to fly? Not for Amelia. She was swallowed by the sky or the > sea. No answer there, just another false alarm. They're all just dreams, dreams & > false alarms. > > > > Mark in Seattle Wow, Mark, that was profound! I knew this song tied together somehow, but I could never quite fit all the pieces together. I really enjoyed your ideas. - -Jenny CT NP Hejeira(my fave because I'm only particles of change orbiting around the sun) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:50:16 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Amelia] Message-ID: <378562E3.73CF@snet.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:48:03 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Reply-To: jlhall01@snet.net Organization: The Mortgage Finance Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SNET (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Amelia References: <3783EB4F.7FC7@snet.net> <3783F039.D86BFD8D@lightspeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phyliss Ward wrote: I always saw this as mainly a love/men > thing. Like she thought it was love but it was just a false alarm. > > Maybe I've never really loved > I guess that is the truth > I've spent my whole life in clouds > At icy altitudes Phyliss, when you put it that way, now I know why I love this song. Did you ever (I'm sure you have) love a song because it made you feel a certain way, just like a person you loved could make you feel a certain way and that song reminded you of that person and that feeling?(It made sense to me, at least) I used to listen to this song with Steve Hax, my "Coyote", and I thought I loved him. Sometimes, I still think maybe I do or did. But it was just a false alarm, he never loved me back. He never even experienced the false alarm, I was just another girl he had. Sad, huh? I wonder sometimes if I'll be eighty years old and still crying over him... - -Jenny CT NP Hejeira(again....I told you it's my favorite) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:56:25 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: My 2 cents worth (almost NJC) > Don said about K-Mart: > > < all, but I still can't help but see the irony, and > dare I say hypocrisy, in being able to buy Joni albums > from the #1 pavers of paradise.>> > and then Bob added: > I'm not surprised a bit that K-Mart doesn't sell Joni...I buy > all my blank tapes from them > (they've seen a lot of me lately) and the rough trade in the > store doesn't exactly look like > your typical Joni crowd, like you say, more the eyeshade and > gun type... and I say: Oh come now, Bob! Don't the local cognoscenti flock to K-Mart to see the latest in the Martha Stewart Collection? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:56:40 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: Amelia Dear Jill, Then I guess I was right on both parts, both about her and amelia and the men! I never noticed, but now that I think of it, she and Amelia do posess a strong resemblence to one another. Thanks for pointing that out. I have never seen the video of that, would love to. thanks, Jenny CT np song to sharon Jill Tamada wrote: > This song is about the end of her love affair with John Guerin. The comparison > to Amelia Erhardt I believe is because the two are both pioneers in their > profession following their dreams in a time when women were not supported > or encouraged to do so. Also, Joni sees a strong physical resemblence > between Amelia Erhardt and herself. The song is about the sadness and > disappointment she feels that the relationship was just another false alarm, > not the permanent relationship she had hoped it would be. > > Have you seen the "Shadows and Light" video with the footage of Amelia > Erhardt that fades into Joni performing Amelia. > > All the best, > Jill > > "Jennifer L. Nodine" wrote: > > > > I happen to love "Amelia" but still haven't quite "gotten it". I > > understand (I think) that she's comparing her obsessive love of music to > > Amelia Eirhart's obsession with flying. I get that she has accepted the > > jeers of those who don't appreciate her and persevered anyway (like > > Amelia)BUT WHAT WAS THE FALSE ALARM????Maybe I'm totally wrong and this > > song is about men...Amelia had just about as much luck in that dept as > > Joni. I LOVE the line "And looking down on everything, I crashed into > > his arms" which does make me kind of think this is about men. Can > > anyone help me? (I'm not as deep as some of you in here-sorry for my > > ignorance everyone, but I've only been actually trying to figure her > > lyrics out for a couple of years or so) > > > > -Jenny > > CT > > np Furry sings the Blues ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:03:31 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Joni are you out there? Does anyone else in this room secretly hope that Joni is one of us in disguise, just pretending to be an everyday person? I do. And I hope that she gets this message...PLEASE QUIT SMOKING!!!!It is bad for your beautiful voice and it will remove you from us early, and as you can see, we CANNOT live without you, Joni! Love, Jenny- CT np BlackCrow (which inspired me to be a crow for Halloween one year) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:17:35 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Amelia] In a message dated 7/8/1999 11:01:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlhall01@snet.net writes: << I used to listen to this song with Steve Hax, my "Coyote", and I thought I loved him. Sometimes, I still think maybe I do or did. But it was just a false alarm, he never loved me back. He never even experienced the false alarm, I was just another girl he had. Sad, huh? I wonder sometimes if I'll be eighty years old and still crying over him... -Jenny >> I had one of them. And yes he was the one who made *that sad request of to me kindly stay away*.....Yes, you do get over them but you never forget..*you and me deep kisses and the sun going down*.....that just seems to always stay in the back of your mind..... Catgirl NP Paul Simon-Let me take you to the Mardi Gras ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:21:41 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Those engraved numbers on records In a message dated 7/8/1999 1:57:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tech@cts-lansdowne.co.uk writes: << When a record is re-released or released in a different country etc, it is quite common for a new cut to be made from (hopefully) the original production master tape. It will be the same record, but will have a new catalogue number reflecting the new record company or whatever. Sometimes for whatever reason, the Production Master Tape is not supplied to the new cut, perhaps only a dodgy copy could be found or something (believe me, it happens) - and a cut from a different tape may well sound quite different from the original. Also the quality of the subsequent manufacturing can have a huge effect on the quality of the sound. >> I doubt if my Joni Japanese import was made from a dodgy copy. The sound is pristine and for back in 1979 (when I bought the album) that was the closest thing to a Cd at that time. I remember a friend of mine was telling me about these silver disc that would eventually take over records and I remember laughing at him...imagine that! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:14:25 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni are you out there? In a message dated 7/8/99 11:10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlhall01@snet.net writes: << Does anyone else in this room secretly hope that Joni is one of us in disguise, just pretending to be an everyday person? I do. And I hope that she gets this message...PLEASE QUIT SMOKING!!!!It is bad for your beautiful voice and it will remove you from us early, and as you can see, we CANNOT live without you, Joni! Love, Jenny- >> Jenny, Do I tell you how to live your life? At least not intentionally. So let me enjoy mine however I want. Love, Joan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:18:09 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Furry Sings, Dogs Bark, & Joan The Bitch Hello All- Still catching up with digests, threads, and spools (in the studio). I LOVE Furry Sings the Blues and have always had pictures in my head of what that experience was like for Joni. I have tried to play it but have NOT worked it out yet. I bought Dog Eat Dog on CD again cause my copy must have grown feet and split. While I love certain songs on here like Three Great Stimulants and Ethiopia. This album has always disturbed me from the perspective of her guitar playing. It is non existent. She is not even credited as a guitar player (not that Landau is a slouch I love him, but it is sorely lacking here playing) and I wonder why she doesn't play o this record. A few of the piano tracks on the record sound like her, but for the most part it sounds like she is a side man on her own project. Could this have been the EVIL Thomas Dolby's influence or her lack of drive for the project. I'd have to say this record comes in dead last on my list (which means nothing cause seeing how I bought it again, I will probably listen to it more and discover something wonderful). I worked with Joan Jett at Spring Fest in Pensacola last May and I have to say she was rude, anti social, and quite bitchy about everything (the monitors, the crowd, the this the that). I really like it when we work with people who don't seem SO affected by their status is the rock and roll food chain. Emmylou Harris was a person we worked with year before last there that was the total opposite of Jett. She was very friendly, sincere, and a down to earth warm person. There are so many people that I meet and work with that are really cool like: Sarah McLachlan, Warren Haynes (Govt Mule as well as Matt Abbs, and Allen Woody), Brian Blade (super nice), Eric Johnson, Aaron Neville, Art Neville, + many more. For those of you who do not want to pay $19 for the Stormy Weather CD everyone who asked me for the address and phone # of the wonderful lady at ATT who supplied me mine, has received their copies. I am happy to respond to however wants it and encourage you to send money to Wally Breese and/or Les for operational support of our favorite sites. Looking forward to the weekend. Love, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:24:21 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Warm welcome to all the New comers (NJC) Hello All you New comers, Man it seems like we are getting about 2 or 3 new people everytime I get a digest. It's hard to keep up. I wish you all a very warm welcome to the list and may you enjoy yourselves and not get caught up in any of the undertow. It's nice to have so many new musicians on the list. Hey did ya'll (that's southern for yous guys) hear about Joni Fest in New England this Labor Day weekend? It's an annual event now I think Ashara is close to giving quantity discounts and frequent flyer mile credits for all participants. Check it out! Peace, Michael (Ashara's number 1 promotions person) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:28:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: B. Mitchell Reed (Joni content) All this talk about early Joni in L.A. and B. Mitchell Reed got me on a roll so I did a little research and have made contact with two people who may be providing me with tape copies of some of BMR's radio broadcasts from the August 1967 - August 1968 time period. Since Reed was playing and promoting the STAS songs on L.A. radio before it was released in March '68, I am hoping, hoping to discover some Joni content in the tapes. An auspicious sign - one of the tapes is an August 1967 interview with STAS co-producer David Crosby! I'm very excited about this and just had to share. I will, of course, report my findings as soon as possible ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #300 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?