From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #297 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 297 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- PHEW!!! (NJC) [Krys & Geoff ] Re: vh1 Vote (SJC) ["Lisa Peakes" ] Tube back from holiday in USA (Some JC) ["Tube" ] NJC:18 today [catman ] Re: Tim Curry & "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire"NJC [catman ] "Annual" (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Re: Song to a Seagull [Ashara@aol.com] Some Lost Goodies [James Leahy ] I fell in with some jimdlers... [lisa durfee ] Re: mix tapes NJC ["P. Henry" ] Re: Song to a Seagull (NJC) [Heather Galli ] Re: NJC:18 today [Heather Galli ] RE: jonifest 2000? njc [Heather Galli ] Re: Furry Sings the Blues (long) [Jerry Notaro ] Newbie [JaneneO@mji.com] Re: Joni's Jazz [Heather Galli ] Rolling Stone "Worst" Quote [Steve Dulson ] Re: Rolling Stone "Worst" Quote [Don Rowe ] Re: Rolling Stone "Worst" Quote (now NJC) [Janet Hess ] back in town NJC ["Winfried Hühn" ] Furry Sings the Blues [Steve Dulson ] Re: Furry Sings the Blues (even longer!) [Don Rowe ] Labor day Jonifest Dream (NJC) [Scott and Jody ] Re: Labor day Jonifest Dream (NJC) [Heather Galli ] NJC-Stephen Stills Fans/Nashville bound [Bounced Message ] Re: Labor day Jonifest Dream (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: jonifest 2000? njc [Susan Chaloner ] JC only people? ["Mark Domyancich" ] Re: JC only people? [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Newbie [Jason Maloney ] Re: JC only people? ["Mark Domyancich" ] RE: Newbie [JaneneO@mji.com] Re: JC only people? (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: JC only people? (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: B. Mitchell Reed ["Kakki" ] Re: B. Mitchell Reed [Steve Dulson ] Carly Simon Info and a freebie too!! (NJC) [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: NJC-Stephen Stills Fans/Nashville bound [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:57:14 +0100 From: Krys & Geoff Subject: PHEW!!! (NJC) In message , catman writes >According to the predictions of Nostrodamus, Amrageddon, the END, should >have taken place the day before yesterday. >Glad to be able to breathe again! > It looked worrying for a while here in the UK, I'm sure some people really did think the world was ending especially when we experienced several mini tornadoes around the Midlands (where I live) - people were totally stunned - well, you don't get tornadoes in the UK! Fortunately they were very tiny and did small damage but it's a sure sign of global warming IMO - we are having such heavy rainfall now all year and the Summer storms look more like something you'd expect in a tropical region. NP: Ice Cream Genius - H Love and peace, Krys XX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 04:46:21 -0400 From: "Lisa Peakes" Subject: Re: vh1 Vote (SJC) << Be sure to vote for JM at VH1.com, 100 greatest women of rock. they also have some info on Joni>> This was fun! The Joni segment has tons o' links - surprising ones - the word "overambitious" (describing some of Joni's projects) has a link to a website about Napoleon - the word "materialism" (in regard to a song on "Blue") has a link to PBS and their definition of the life-crippling disease "affluenza" - what a fresh website - lots of fun and some mental stimulation, too. And I cast my vote for Joni, of course! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:41:28 +0200 From: "Tube" Subject: Tube back from holiday in USA (Some JC) >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:14:41 -0300 >From: "Wally Kairuz" >Subject: baked big apple njc >Is it true that today's temperature in ny was 110?!?!? >wallyk Well hi guys - Coincidentally I just got to back to Rome a couple of days ago after a long holiday in your wonderful US of A. I'd been a couple of times before (to Manhattan) in previous years, but on this occasion we only spent a day in NYC before traveling to upstate New York, where it was A LOT cooler by all accounts. So this was almost my first time exploring 'real' America, and not just the City. Interesting to note that you can walk into an everyday shop like KMart or Walmart and buy a brand new shotgun for $119, which is, like, nothing. To raise an old chestnut, no wonder you guys have gun problems. My brother in law who we stayed with goes out and always leaves the house door unlocked though - He says everyone does - trespassers are simply shot aparantly, so nobody bothers with break-ins. Anyway, enough of that - We did it to death a few weeks ago, right? I would have bought Taming The Tiger, as your American CD's are so cheap compared with European prices (like half the price!). Unfortunately I have to report that KMart in Sidney NY carried not one single Joni Mitchell CD. Pretty disgusting huh? So I had to content myself with 'Experience Hendrix (The best of...)' No worries though - When I was eleven years old back in '69, 'Voodoo Chile' absolutely blew my mind, but I didn't have a record player then - So it's taken me exactly 30 years to finally get around to owning my own hallowed copy of this record, along with nineteen other bitchin' tracks. Let me tell you, the wait was worth it though! And the best part of my holiday in America? - Simply watching and listening to the non-stop freight train blasting through the village of Sidney ten times a day - It sounds just like the one on Pet Sounds, which always makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up on end (in a nice sense). One day, I layed in wait at the railway crossing for an hour to photograph it in glorious black and white, a la O. Winston Link. Hope it comes out okay, but you never know with photos do you? - Even when you have an hour to set up the shot for a once-only chance at it. (I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to photos but not so much of a perfectionist that I was gonna wait ANOTHER hour in the baking midday heat for another crack at it when the next train came through - One hour of waiting was quite enough thank-you-very-much: Heck, I WAS supposed to be on holiday after all!) It was fun though, although not a very Joni-oriented pursuit, I'll admit. Oh and the other thing that blew my mind was the typical streets that seemed to come straight out of Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks. For a Brit raised on imported US TV shows, it was all very surreal. I always kept a sharp look-out for severed ears on the grass behind the white picket fences, or drunken, murderous screams thinly masked by the hissing of summer lawns. Just for kicks, on returning to NYC at end of our stay upstate I also walked into a police station in Brooklyn just to see if it was anything like NYPD Blue or Hill Street Blues - And it was!! Oh yeah, almost forgot - My brother in law (who we stayed with) has an old Yellow Cab he bought second-hand as a private vehicle. He works funny hours too, so many times, late at night I'd hear the screen door slam and a big yellow taxi would take away my wife's sister's old man. Also while I was there I (rather unsucessfully) attempted a custom spray job on an old school bus my brother in law had recently bought. I was rushed for time to finish it before flying back to Rome, so found myself working late into the night on it, working by the street-lights out the front of the house. Wouldn't you know it, I found myself singing 'Underneath the Streetlight' as I worked! Love, Tube ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:31:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC:18 today Just thought I'd let you know that it is our 18th anniversry today. unfortunately John is stuck at a conference in Durham and i am here awaiting the birth of a litter of kittens-anytime now. Gosh, have EIGHTEEN years really passed by that quickly. I was 22 now I am 40. how the f**k did that happen?!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:31:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Tim Curry & "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire"NJC I know Tim Curry form the Rocky Horror and from TV shows here. What i didn't know was that the Tim Curry you have been discussing was the same one! I didn't ask when his name came up cos I thought 'no that would be daft, must be another one'. So it turns out this man is a singer too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:31:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: PHEW!!! (NJC) > It looked worrying for a while here in the UK, I'm sure some people > really did think the world was ending especially when we experienced > several mini tornadoes around the Midlands (where I live) - people were > totally stunned - well, you don't get tornadoes in the UK! Fortunately > they were very tiny and did small damage but it's a sure sign of global > warming IMO - we are having such heavy rainfall now all year and the > Summer storms look more like something you'd expect in a tropical > region. Yes! I saw the tornado on tv-it was weird! Someone had vidoed it and was spectacular.Here in March we had a thunderstorm the other night the likes of which i have never experienced before(and I have lived in Asia and Australia). It lasted a long time too-over an hour with hail. it also has just rained and rained and rained here. last year in London in rained evrry day throughout May and June but the previous year it wass the hottest. Now it doesn;t seem so hot just wet! I am sure the earth has always changed from one thing to the next in its time. I don't think what we do with our 'progress' helps it much! But then look at these wonderful pc's! > > > NP: Ice Cream Genius - H > > Love and peace, > Krys XX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:20:19 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: "Annual" (NJC) MG "thudded": << She couldn't believe that someone would do that and she marvelled even more when I told her that people who couldn't make it to the Annual Ashara Joni Gathering of the Tribes would call in just to be there in some small way. >> And Catgirl purred in: <> And now the Hospitality and Housing Hostess chimes in: AGAIN, with the "Annual"??????? All you co-conspirators with Michael Paz NOW HEAR THIS!!!!!!! Just because I had a BLAST at last year's Labor Day Jonifest.....just because I couldn't imagine NOT seeing everyone this year in CO......Just because I decided to have another Jonifest this year.....Just because this one will be bigger and better than ever, and anyone who is NOT there will be oh, so sorry they are NOT there......and just because I love you guys.......DOES NOT mean this is an ANNUAL gathering!!!!! (Just you wait, Michael Paz, just you wait....I've got my old lady cane out for YOU!!!) Hugs, Ashara {laughing my tush off!} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:35:52 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull Mark, my long lost twin, said of Song to a Seagull: << It speaks to a part of my soul that has stayed intact and pure during the 20 some odd years that have intervened since I first heard it. >> THANK YOU, Mark for saying this! I feel the exact same way, but it was over "30" years ago when I first heard this album. I sometimes get sad when people on the list talk about Joni's early work with distaste, not because I am not tolerant of what they have to say, but because her early work is so much part of my heart and soul, and one of the reasons my connection to music and singing is so strong. I feel that with this single sentence, someone really understands how I feel. THEN.....Mark says: <> My "OTHER" absolutely FAVORITE group!!!! I also discovered them in the late 60's, and was listening to this FANTASTIC group while everyone else was listening to The Stones, The Beatles, Jimi Hendricks, etc. I would be "constantly" be asked, "WHAT" are you LISTENING TO??????" Then I would tell them, and the reply was ALWAYS, "Oh, you mean Steely Dan!!!" "No, I mean S-T-E-E-L-E-Y-E S-P-A-N!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I have their complete discography, which is extensive, and love it all! Hugs, Ashara {Who now can't decide whether to go put on STAS or Hark the Village Wait!} decisions.....decisions.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 07:51:43 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Some Lost Goodies There are a few Joni appearances that recall seeing/hearing when they were first broadcast, but I've never seen them on anyone's collection list. Item #1: I believe Joni was on the Dick Cavett Show in early 1968. I recall she sang That Song about the Midway. Does anyone recall seeing this? Or was I just dreaming? Item #2: Joni was interviewed by Malka on the CBC in the summer of 1979 to promote the Mingus project. The program lasted two hours and consisted of conversation plus tracks from Joni's albums. I recall hearing Joni saying that on Mingus she could play guitar better than any man! My attempts to track this down faltered when CBC told me that Malka owned the copyright to the show and the CBC couldn't make me a copy. Did any of you (older) Canadian fans tape this when it was first aired? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:28:21 -0400 From: lisa durfee Subject: I fell in with some jimdlers... Hi friends yet another lisċ (durfee) here coming out of lurkdome to say what an amazing time I had at the JonisJazz show last week. Big Thanks to Danny Kapilian for putting the event together with so much love and dedication; and getting the gods to hold off the rains for all us lucky ones. All the great details of the show have been scooped here already; I just wanted to say that Meeting so many of you (Patrick Jerry Brian Barbara Michael Steve etc etc) was really special to me, not to mention seeing Joni sing live for the first time in almost 25 years. Probably Like many of you, I spent all of the 80s and early 90s convinced I was the only person left buying Jonis records. I knew I had to be wrong, but before finding this list I just had never met anyone who's passion for her music came close to, or actually surpassed my own. Most of you fall into that category, and I love keeping company with you, even if it's mostly in cyberspace, and even if I'm just lurking. "A strange boy is weaving a course of grace and havoc on a yellow surfboard, through midnight sidewalk traffic"- Jane Siberrys alternate lyrics on "Strange Boy" Last week... lisċ D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 05:58:16 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: mix tapes NJC catman quipped: >>I thought Joan Jett was a cartoon character.>> she is! Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:28:53 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull (NJC) >> Heather wrote: >> >>> >I wonder if she got giddier or something moving to L.A. in the 60s? ;-) >>> > >>> You think smokin' a little hooch might make ones voice higher? > >Smokin' ANYTHING will make your voice deeper! I know! > Hey Mark! Are you saying that you can put Barry White to shame? ;-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:39:18 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: NJC:18 today >Just thought I'd let you know that it is our 18th anniversry today. Happy Anniversary!!! Many more to you & John! >unfortunately John is stuck at a conference in Durham I am stuck here in Durham, Connecticut .... ;-) and i am here >awaiting the birth of a litter of kittens-anytime now. This is exciting! Are you ready to name them all?? >Gosh, have EIGHTEEN years really passed by that quickly. I was 22 now I >am 40. how the f**k did that happen?!! You must have blinked. ;-) luv Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:45:16 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: RE: jonifest 2000? njc >all right but only if i get to play mother abbess. i can picture myself >standing by the window, in the twilight, singing climb ev'ry mountain while >susan la, ready to take her vows, looks on in awe. THIS I have to see!! LOL!! Heather (ready with her camera ;-D ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:55:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Furry Sings the Blues (long) Bolvangar@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > If I might jump in with an (almost) completely new topic here (though > there *were* some posts about this song not long ago): > One reason for its incomplete success I think is that Joni does not > entirely locate herself in relation to the song's story and framework. It > seems that the descriptions and images are Joni's, but she states them in an > oddly abstract third-person way -- not much of the song is in the first > person -- there is an issue of "voice" in the song. It's (arguably) not > exactly explained what she's doing there, or why she's there, or what her > feelings about the destruction of old Beale Street are. It part of our goddess's duality. All of her songs are so deeply personal for her, whether experienced or felt. At the same time she wants to universalize the lyrical content to not be Joni's but the listener's. In her many interviews she both relates her personal experiences which are the seed of the lyric, but then distances herself from the personal interpretation. Most of the time it works and succeeds to a point which raises her work to high art. Sometimes it doesn't . But that's just part of the human endeavor, I guess. Jerry np - Parade (yes, still. It's brilliant) ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jul 99 06:58:15 PDT From: Frances Liccione Subject: Joni's Jazz Hello there! I am new to this mailing list; I just subscribed about a week or two ago. This is my first post to you all. I would first like to introduce myself. My name is Frances and I have been a loyal and devoted fan of Joni Mitchell for many, many years. I have gotten so much enjoyment from Wally's website, and also from reading all of these posts. I discovered the website a couple of years ago, but only discovered the mailing list recently. What a wonderful idea. Anyway, I would just like to describe a little bit about Joni's Jazz, if I may. Since I had my place in line at about 5:45 p.m., (gates were to open at 6:30) I basically had my choice of seats. Naturally, I sat smack dab in the middle of the first row! Incidentally, it was the row that Joni was escorted through during the intermission. There was only about a foot of room, so as she squeezed by me, I said, "Hi Joni!" She was so warm and did pause to shake my hand, as she graciously did with the other "first row-ers". In a very bubbly voice she said, "We're having such a great time here tonight, huh? We're sure keeping the rain at bay!" What a moment for me. She is such a lovely person. The entire night was completely indescribable. It certainly had the hair on the back of my neck raised for the entire evening, just as it was intended. There is not enough room for me to give the proper and deserved praise to all of the many great talents on that stage. I would simply have to say that the evening was just magical...when it was over I walked up fifth avenue toward my bus like a deer caught in the headlights. I was just glazed over and goofy looking, but contented and satisfied in the deepest part of my heart. At the risk of running on, I will post more at another time. Thanks to all of you for sharing. It's lovely to have this "forum". Frances ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:05:10 -0400 From: JaneneO@mji.com Subject: Newbie Hello, everyone. I am a brand new member of this list and have been following Joni's music since I was a little girl. She has inspired me musically all my life. That said, the first digest that I just received is just loaded with information. I have been contemplating joining for two years since I've been on-line but if I can express this correctly, some things are often just sacred enough that to me that I like to keep them to myself. I am into musicology in all aspects but strangely enough, Joni is not an artist I like to comment on or discuss, at least not until now. I guess it may be because her music has meant something so personal to me that I don't really talk about it. This is rare because I talk all the time! lol I was at the Joni's Jazz show last Thursday and for the first time, I was surrounded by Joni fans. It was really bizarre, in a cool way. I was at the Day In The Garden concert and shooting pictures for the company I work for and it was the first time I'd ever seen Joni live. (I'm only 28 and live in NY, no Joni for over a decade!!) I stood in the pit in front of her and pinched myself several times as I snapped away. There were lots of fans that came out to see Joni that day, including many great folks from the JMDL (Susan & I actually cried!) but Thursday was a celebration that sparked me to talk to other people about their feelings on Joni & her music. It was the first time I've seen so many people together that were so happy to be celebrating Joni Mitchell! Well, thanks for reading and I will try to digest the digests as they come. Oh, and to EVIAN, I really like Bruce Hornsby... Peace...Janene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:19:46 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz Hi there, Frances! Welcome aboard! <> > >Anyway, I would just like to describe a little bit about Joni's Jazz, if I >may. Since I had my place in line at about 5:45 p.m., (gates were to open at >6:30) I basically had my choice of seats. Naturally, I sat smack dab in the >middle of the first row! Incidentally, it was the row that Joni was escorted >through during the intermission. There was only about a foot of room, so as >she squeezed by me, I said, "Hi Joni!" She was so warm and did pause to shake >my hand, as she graciously did with the other "first row-ers". In a very >bubbly voice she said, "We're having such a great time here tonight, huh? >We're sure keeping the rain at bay!" What a moment for me. She is such a >lovely person. Don't you dare wash that hand! ;-) What a wonderful experience! >At the risk of running on, I will post more at another time. YES! Please do! Thanks to all of >you for sharing. It's lovely to have this "forum". > Glad to have you here. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:39:57 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Rolling Stone "Worst" Quote Being the obsessive kind of guy I am, the recurring debate over whether Rolling Stone called "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" the worst *album* or worst *title* of the year prompted me to go look. My one car garage contains (in addition to two Austin- Healey Sprites - they're small) my almost complete collection of RS from about '70 to about '90, when I gave up in disgust. I spent a happy couple of hours digging through them on Saturday. Joni was all over RS in '75 and '76, with tours, the Rolling Thunder shows, the Last Waltz and both Hissing and Hejira being released. Lots of interesting reviews and mentions in "Random Notes." Anyway, RS 2/12/76 page 12: Worst Album Title: Boos for Joni Mitchell's The Hissing of Summer Lawns. There it is. Hmmmm, I thought, this is probably already on Wally's site somewhere? Well, it was fun looking through the old stuff, anyway. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Rolling Stone "Worst" Quote Finally! Closure at last, courtesy of the elegantly obsessive Mr. Dulson. > Anyway, RS 2/12/76 page 12: > > Worst Album Title: Boos for Joni Mitchell's The > Hissing of > Summer Lawns. Of course, now we have to find something else JC to argue about ... but that shouldn't take too long! ;-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:03:21 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Rolling Stone "Worst" Quote (now NJC) Hey, lookit, Don...What choo mean that shouldn't take too long!?! I don't think it'll take long enough. Where do *you* get off making the rules? And besides, Joni wouldn't approve. :) At 07:49 AM 7/7/1999 -0700, Don Rowe wrote: >Finally! Closure at last, courtesy of the elegantly >obsessive Mr. Dulson. > >> Anyway, RS 2/12/76 page 12: >> >> Worst Album Title: Boos for Joni Mitchell's The >> Hissing of >> Summer Lawns. > >Of course, now we have to find something else JC to >argue about ... but that shouldn't take too long! ;-) > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:04:38 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: setlists In a message dated 7/6/99 8:50:20 PM Central Daylight Time, jpelerin@aei.ca writes: ><< I'm new to this list and I need help.I >have several Joni's shows on tape and I'm >looking for the setlists.Where can I find >such information. >> Welcome to the list. I hope you have lots of patience. I've been waiting for just such a resource for over two years now. It has been said that it is "in the works", so sit back and wait and eventually this valuable resource should appear, and hopefully within the near future. :) gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:19:51 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: B. Mitchell Reed Kakki wrote: >B. Mitchell Reed in particular, who'd met her and was championing her He was doing a lot more than championing her, according to the gossip columnists of the time! :) Oh, and about that night last May, right after you handed her Clouds I handed her Hejira and was rewarded with a big smile. Guess we know who'll be getting an invite up to the house first! :) Best, ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:50:07 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: back in town NJC Hi folks, I've been a bit quiet recently, which is mostly due to the fact I successfully passed my final university exam two weeks ago and have been travelling and partying around ever since. Let me tell you, those were wild days! Thanks to everybody who wrote me and wished me well -- it certainly worked!. I have three months off now until my practical legal education starts at the local civil district court, but I'm already busy as hell again, organizing and legally supervising an international student clinic on asylum and refugee law taking place here in October. I think I owe some of you folks a review of a "Bulgarian Voices" concert I visited one week ago. Well, to tell you the sad truth, it was very disappointing. The concert was a triple bill of said Bulgarian Choir, Tuvan throat singing group "Hun Huur Tu" and a curious "Moscow Art Trio". And they made the biggest mistake they possibly could make - -- they mixed their different folkloristic backgrounds into one big kitschy mishmash of sounds. I had come to listen to wonderful Bulgarian folk songs and I ended up in having to witness a full-size Bulgarian Choir being abused for producing world muzak background sounds. Very sad indeed. This seems to happen quite often in the so-called world music sector, though. I love listening to folk songs, but they're only good as long as they remain authentic and within the context they belong in. Thanks to all the folks who posted their impressions from Joni's Jazz show -- I *loved* reading them. I'm also happy to see that the recent wave of bickering seems to have petered out now. Anybody out there who can explain to me what it actually was about? ;-) (No, just kidding, I DON'T REALLY WANNA KNOW) Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:52:36 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Furry Sings the Blues David wrote: >One reason for its incomplete success I think is that Joni does not >entirely locate herself in relation to the song's story and framework. >... I think there's a distance in "Furry" ... a distance rooted in Joni's >own >distance from what she is describing. Her location, her role in the >story and >in telling the story (two different issues), are (until the >last verse) Well, yes, but in that last verse she does let us know what she's doing there, her point of view, her role in the story. I always think of "Furry" as "Son of For Free", Joni contrasting her fame and affluence with under-appreciated musicians who might be just as good, if not better, than her. In my garage digging this weekend, I came across a RS review of her 2/20/76 show at Nasau Coliseum, which contained: "Of the new material she presented, the most striking was "Blues for Furry." Written for and about Memphis bluesman Furry Lewis, the song represents a further examination of the relationship between guilt and pop stardom." >On another note.....it's been observed that as her lyric-writing >style became more conversational (starting around _Blue_), she began cramming >more and more syllables into the lines of verse ...it all makes the song >very >dense, and not in a good way. Hmmmm...doesn't bother me. >And I think that there's an odd tension or instability between the >music, which is relatively down-tempo and loose and with a slow harmonic >rhythm (i.e., less frequent chord changes), and this rapid-fire lyric >overload, with its barrage of images, that for me doesn't work; it's like the >lyrics and music are pulling in two different directions. I think the tension is deliberate. It helps emphasize the mutual discomfort of Joni and Lewis during a visit that was obviously not much fun for either one of them. It's also, I think, a nod to the edginess of the "double-barrelled murder" neighborhood that Beale had become at the time. Thanks for the thoughtful post, David. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:04:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Furry Sings the Blues (even longer!) I knew it! No sooner is the Rolling Stone HOSL question answered but my favorite all-time JM song is illuminated in a less-than-favorable light. So if you'll allow me a few moments of quiet meditation to channel the ghosts of the dark town society ... - --- Bolvangar@aol.com wrote: > One reason for its incomplete success I think is > that Joni does not > entirely locate herself in relation to the song's > story and framework. To me, this is satisfactorily addressed when Joni admits to WC Handy that "I'm not familiar with what you play/But I get such strong impressions of your heyday." FSTB is just that, and impressionistic canvas, conveying feelings borne not of familiarity, but detached observation. In many ways, this is what sets the song apart from "Free Man In Paris", and as Steve Dulson observed "Real Good For Free." The themes of these songs are echoed, but in a darker way. Which is how I look at the lines of the last verse ... "Why should I expect > that old guy to give it to me true?"; "While our > limo is shining on his > shanty street/old Furry sings the blues..." -- these > lines sum up her > "outsider" status. > that distance, despite Joni's > awareness of it, creates a really > basic problem for the song because it makes her > unable to bring old Beale > Street completely to life enough For me, if there is a more evocative couplet anywhere than "Ghosts of the dark town society/Come right out of the bricks at me/Like it's a Saturday night/They're in their fi-i-i-nery/Dancin' it up and makin' deals" ... I'm not sure what it would be. In the short story "The Painted Bird", Tennessee Williams addresses the reader: "From here the story takes a turn which may be highly disagreeable to some readers, that is, if any of them hoped it was to avoid the fantastic." FSTB does not flinch from the fantastic, much as Williams' classic mythical tale, and this for me is what sets it apart as one of Joni's most magical gems, of 'Hejira' or any other album. Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:33:28 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Labor day Jonifest Dream (NJC) I had the strangest dream last night about the Labor Day Jonifest at Ashara's. Laura and I arrived at Ashara's 'Estate' rather late. Her house was HUGE and sat on acres and acres of land. Since we were late, hundreds of jmdl'rs were already there. Laura immediately grabbed my camera and went off to take photos. As I met everyone, I couldn't associate their faces with their names. I kept getting everyone mixed up! I introduced myself to Mark from Seattle, only to find that he was not Mark, but Wally Kairuz. I then said Hi to Pearl, who was not Pearl, but Heather. This went on for hours and I was becoming so stressed. Finally, someone said to me, " Maybe if you would pay more attention to the list, you wouldn't be having this trouble!" Then to make matters worse, Julie Z. Webb asked me if I remembered to bring the cake.( exit from dreamland for a second) Julie, Welcome back!! You were missed! Btw - Scott and I have not seen a descent movie since you've been gone :~D Back to Dream: I told Julie that the cake was in the cooler ( Ashara's house was so huge that she had these walk-in coolers). The cake was no where to be found. She then asked if I had left the cake at the airport, but I specifically remembered putting the cake in the cooler. Ashara then entered the kitchen and asked me where the raffle items were. I told her that I had placed them next to her computer, but they were nowhere in sight. At this point , my head was spinning and I knew that I had to find Les so that he could take me off the JMDL as soon as possible! I woke up in the midst of searching Ashara's grounds for Les. Dr. Sigmondengreen (sp?), I think I need help - what do you think? Thanks, jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:46:54 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Labor day Jonifest Dream (NJC) Oh, dear Jody! You need to stay away from that spicy food before bedtime! ;-D Heather > >Laura and I arrived at Ashara's 'Estate' rather late. Her house was >HUGE and sat on acres and acres of land. Since we were late, hundreds >of jmdl'rs were already there. Laura immediately grabbed my camera and >went off to take photos. As I met everyone, I couldn't associate their >faces with their names. I kept getting everyone mixed up! I introduced >myself to Mark from Seattle, only to find that he was not Mark, but >Wally Kairuz. I then said Hi to Pearl, who was not Pearl, but Heather. >This went on for hours and I was becoming so stressed. Finally, someone >said to me, " Maybe if you would pay more attention to the list, you >wouldn't be having this trouble!" > >Then to make matters worse, Julie Z. Webb asked me if I remembered to >bring the cake.( exit from dreamland for a second) Julie, Welcome >back!! You were missed! Btw - Scott and I have not seen a descent >movie since you've been gone :~D >Back to Dream: I told Julie that the cake was in the cooler ( Ashara's >house was so huge that she had these walk-in coolers). The cake was no >where to be found. She then asked if I had left the cake at the >airport, but I specifically remembered putting the cake in the cooler. >Ashara then entered the kitchen and asked me where the raffle items >were. I told her that I had placed them next to her computer, but they >were nowhere in sight. At this point , my head was spinning and I knew >that I had to find Les so that he could take me off the JMDL as soon as >possible! I woke up in the midst of searching Ashara's grounds for Les. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:01:38 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: NJC-Stephen Stills Fans/Nashville bound From: (pattio) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:11:26 GMT Hi All, I am going to be in Nashville July 22 - July 25 for the NAMM(International Music Products Association) convention. My husband is the Texas/Oklahoma manufacturer's representative for a Canadian guitar maker, La Si Do, they make Seagull and Godin guitars to name a few. Reading the convention lit I noticed that Stephen Stills will be at the Gretsch guitar booth on Saturday and Sunday, no time specified. I mention this in case there any Joni/Stills fans that live in Nashville and might find this information that they can use OR if any fans on the list here would like me to attempt getting them an autograph, SOMETIMES these NAMM things have laid back periods where those kind of things are pretty easy to do. Since I'll be there, I thought I'd offer to try for anyone who'd like my to. And, since I'll be there, any Nashville JMDL residents interested in a rendez-vous?? Drop me a line privately if you wish for any/all of the above. Patti NP - nothing, I'm supposed to be hurrying up to get ready to go to work and I just don't feel like it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:47:49 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Labor day Jonifest Dream (NJC) In a message dated 7/7/99 1:34:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnsonjs@earthlink.net writes: << I woke up in the midst of searching Ashara's grounds for Les. >> Zees es interesting. Veeery interesting. I tink you char experiencing sometink I call JMDLer anxiety, vitch vill soon come out in da next edition off ze DSM- Zis complicated fear es from being on ze digest four too lonk. Mit dat, comes confusion off who is who, no? So, Mark in Seattle es confused mit VallyK, no? Ashara becomes like JoolieZeeVeb. Unt so on. I tink you neet to get off digest before your keppie needs Dr. SigMondegreen's chelp. Goot day, Dr. S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:47:55 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: jonifest 2000? njc WallyK wrote: > >all right but only if i get to play mother abbess. i can picture myself > >standing by the window, in the twilight, singing climb ev'ry mountain while > >susan la, ready to take her vows, looks on in awe. And Heather wrote: > THIS I have to see!! LOL!! > > Heather (ready with her camera ;-D ) You could be waitin' a long time for that photo opportunity luv! Maria never took her vows ;~D Now don't go getting any ideas Wally! I am NOT taking on seven children and you will NOT be shipping me out to nanny for any aging navel cadets! Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Many a thing you know you'd like to tell her Many a thing she ought to understand but How do you make her stay and Listen to all you say How do you hold a wave upon the sand? Oh, how do you solve a problem like Maria How do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?..."-??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:16:57 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: JC only people? Hey everyone- Are any other onlyJoni subscribers getting NJC mail? NP-Grateful Dead-Cassidy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:41:14 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: JC only people? Yes, but none marked NJC if that's what you mean. Sometimes people just forget to put it in the subject line. It's no big deal to me. Mark Domyancich wrote: > Hey everyone- > > Are any other onlyJoni subscribers getting NJC mail? > > NP-Grateful Dead-Cassidy - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:16:26 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Newbie Another one! :-) Welcome Janeane......I can only imagine what a thrill and joy it was to see Joni in concert. Glad you have found a good home to share your admiration. :-) Oh, and here's another BH fan....well, only the first 3 albums really...does that still count? Scenes from the southside and The way it is are both wonderful pieces of work....excellent taste both of you! :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:13:52 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: Re: JC only people? I've gotten a few messages with NJC in their subject line... - ---------- >From: Phyliss Ward >To: Mark Domyancich >Cc: joni@smoe.org, les@jmdl.com >Subject: Re: JC only people? >Date: Wed, Jul 7, 1999, 1:41 PM > > Yes, but none marked NJC if that's what you mean. Sometimes people just > forget to put it in the subject line. It's no big deal to me. > > Mark Domyancich wrote: > >> Hey everyone- >> >> Are any other onlyJoni subscribers getting NJC mail? >> >> NP-Grateful Dead-Cassidy > > -- > Phyliss > pward@lightspeed.net > http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:18:11 -0400 From: JaneneO@mji.com Subject: RE: Newbie Jason, thanks for the welcome. You are very kind. <> Yes, it was quite a thrill to see Joni in concert. I was very overwhelmed, to say the least. I endured a few comments from my jaded colleagues about how "she's only a person"...blah blah blah. Well, it means a great deal to me when I can be in the presence of someone I greatly admire, especially when she was playing her songs, with a fantastic backing band to boot! It was a great weekend on Yasgur's Farm in Bethel. Hopefully you can see her soon as well. Take care. Peace, Janene - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:17:02 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JC only people? (NJC) Mark wrote ominously: Subject: Re: JC only people? > I've gotten a few messages with NJC in their subject line... Hmmm, remember Les's message yesterday about the fiber (cable?) being cut outside Jeff's (Mr. Smoe's) house??? And then an electrical storm hit and disrupted the web connection. This is getting scary - It's either another sign of the end times predicted by Nostradamus and Paco Rabanne or the NJC proponents are stopping at nothing these days to achieve their desired goals. ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: JC only people? (NJC) > - It's either another > sign of the end times predicted by Nostradamus and > Paco Rabanne or the NJC > proponents are stopping at nothing these days to > achieve their desired > goals. You know, the other day I got a strange e-mail titled "Jackson". It had an attachment, so I didn't open it since I had no idea who it was from. Looks like it contained some kind of NJC-corrupting virus or something ... ;-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:49:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: B. Mitchell Reed Steve wrote: > Kakki wrote: > > >B. Mitchell Reed in particular, who'd met her and was championing her > > He was doing a lot more than championing her, according to the gossip > columnists of the time! :) Ooo, I did not know that! Maybe Wally B can get an interview with him, too ;-) (Seriously, I think Reed could be a great source of stories of Joni's early start-up years in L.A.) Also, I never cease to be amazed at your unending collection of musicabilia. Regarding the 20 years of Rolling Stone's carefully preserved in your garage, I have one word to say to you: EBAY!!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:38:56 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: B. Mitchell Reed >Ooo, I did not know that! Maybe Wally B can get an interview with him, too >;-) (Seriously, I think Reed could be a great source of stories of Joni's >early start-up years in L.A.) Sadly, he died in the late '70s. I could probably find an obit in Rolling Stone... :) >Also, I never cease to be amazed at your unending collection of musicabilia. >Regarding the 20 years of Rolling Stone's carefully preserved in your >garage, I have one word to say to you: > >EBAY!!! I've been thinking about that seriously. There are so many major, in-depth articles about Jackson, CSN&Y, all the biggies, as well as stuff on the obscure people. Ads, photos, reviews. What do people think these are worth?? This is NOT an offer to sell, but, for example, how about the 7/26/79 issue, Joni on the cover, interview by Cameron Crowe (it's on Les's site). What would that be worth to a Joni fan? No, I'm hanging on to it, honest, but I want to get a rough idea of what I should ask, should I start unloading them. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:56:49 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Carly Simon Info and a freebie too!! (NJC) My email has been down for almost a week and so now I'm even more behind on digests then usual! So, if this was already posted I apologize. I know there's alot of us on the list who like Carly Simon. Target stores has a free magazine they put out by the Service Desk (in our store anyway). Great pic of Carly on the cover and a 2 page article inside (mostly about the work she's doing for THE SMILE TRAIN, a new nonprofit organization working for the benefit of children suffering from facial deformaties) with 3 nice black & white pictures. Carly fans might want to pick up this free copy. As far as I know it just came out last week. It's the Summer 1999 issue of "Target the Family". I do have some extras for anyone who doesn't have a Target near them ........email me privately. Freebies of the day: Three health and/or beauty items FREE........only have to pay shipping (about $3.95). A really GREAT deal and stuff you can pack in your bags and bring along to JoniFest '99! http://www.planetrx.com/3forfree/3forfree.asp?mi=gbscnk2ulTU%3D Call 1-800-860-6167 for a free sample of Boost energy supplement Laura O. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:05:23 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC-Stephen Stills Fans/Nashville bound > From: (pattio) > Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:11:26 GMT > > Hi All, > I am going to be in Nashville July 22 - July 25 for the > NAMM(International Music Products Association) convention. > I noticed that Stephen Stills will be > at the Gretsch guitar booth on Saturday and Sunday, no time specified. Sounds like a great opportunity. Wonder if he's gonna play. He has played such a wide variety of guitars, that big ol' Gretch White Falcon being one of them. Let us know how it went, by all means! RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:16:52 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Stormy Weather CDs I have happened upon someone with a stash of "Stormy Weather" CDs for sale. He has 12 of them, new in shrinkwrap, for $19 ea. including shipping in US. I just ordered mine, haven't recieved it yet. I'm passing this on to the listers as a favor, no spam, as I am recieving nothing from it. He seems like a nice guy, though I have never done biz with him. You can contact him directly, it seems like it takes him a couple days to respond: "Tom" cityfair@att.net Please order only one so others can get a crack at it. FYI: "Stormy Weather" is a compilation album with one track by Joni (the title track). It is a live recording of Don Henley's benifit concert and features S. Crow, S. Nicks, P. Cole and others covering standards with a real orchestra backing. Joni's song appears on Tape Tree #8. The CD was a free giveaway from AT&T, and is already showing up on eBay as a rarity. 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