From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #295 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 295 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Cowboy Junkies (njc) [evian ] Song To A Seagull [Patrick Mead ] jonifest 2000? [evian ] Re: Song To A Seagull ["Lisa Peakes" ] Re: Song To A Seagull [catman ] Re: Song To A Seagull [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Song To A Seagull ["Kakki" ] RE: STAS promo spots and others [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Song To A Seagull [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Song to a Seagull [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Cowboy Junkies - NJC [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Song To A Seagull [Terri Forte ] Re: Song to a Seagull [Ginamu@aol.com] Tim Curry ["Barnicle, Kathryn" ] Welcome Back! ["Barnicle, Kathryn" ] Many things [Catherine McKay ] Re: Song To A Seagull [Valerie Kraemer ] Re: Song To A Seagull [Jerry Notaro ] Today in Joni History - July 4 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - July 6 [Today in Joni History ] This Month in Joni History - July [This Month in Joni History ] RE: 99's best so far (NJC) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Re: Joni Dress-Ups [Lisa Molin ] Re: Song To A Seagull [Patrick Mead ] Re: Miles Davis & "Kind of Blue" (vlJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] NJC:PHEW!!! [catman ] Re: Joni Dress-Ups and Central Park Outfit [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Joni Dress-Ups [RMuRocks@aol.com] Parody or tribute? [Catherine McKay ] NJC:passion [catman ] Re: Miles Davis & "Kind of Blue" (vlJC) [Heather Galli ] joni video trees 1&2 [Martin Giles ] Re: NJC:passion [Don Rowe ] Martin Simpson NJC [Casey Certis-Milby ] Re: NJC:passion [Heather Galli ] Re: Parody or tribute? ["Kakki" ] Re: Song to a Seagull ["Kakki" ] RE: Globe and Mail Article [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Re: jonifest 2000? [Heather Galli ] Re: Song to a Seagull [Heather Galli ] Re: NJC:passion [Bounced Message ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 01:24:20 -0600 From: evian Subject: Cowboy Junkies (njc) > Margo Timmins is a > wonderful singer. I think she just gets better and better. Her voice > has a soft sound to it but that's deceptive. With the right song she > can really pack a wallop. > I missed the Cowboy Junkies last week in Saskatoon for the Jazzfest... along with Kyle Eastwood.... but anyway, Mark is right on the money. With every new album, Margo gets better and better. I especially love "A Common Disaster", which sort of came out of left field to me. I have MILES FROM OUR HOME but haven't really listened to it much apart from the title track, which I repeat ad nauseum. For me, their best album is still Black-Eyed Man, but in the same breath, I have to say that they still keep getting better and better, if that makes any sense. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 00:38:57 -0700 From: Patrick Mead Subject: Song To A Seagull Let me add my voice as one who finds Joni's first to still sound so deeply purposeful, hypnotic and beautiful, one of the great debut albums, ever. The early material is so nice... Paradox and periwinkle, blue medallion, /Pat mailto:pmead@pacbell.net CD-R, cassette & video tape trades: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 01:41:14 -0600 From: evian Subject: jonifest 2000? Grandma Heather wrote: > How 'bout the Calgary area? We could all hang out in the Rockies. > Let's just rent some rooms .... > Well, lets all go to the Mendel in Saskatoon, then trek on down to Calgary and go singing Joni tunes through the Rockies like the Von Trappe family, or a demented version of Up With People! We can wind it up on the coast at Joni's B.C. hideaway. And then, of course, Mama Ashara can rush on home and get things ready for her YEARLY party, while we rent a bus, decorate it a' la the Partridge Family, and sing for our supper all the way to New England... I mean, if good ole Tracey Partridge could fake it, so can I! And Heather, I think I still have my old jean jacket with the Duran Duran logo on it that we can share ;) Union of the Snake all the way, baby!!!! Evian p.s. No worries about heat in Saskatoon this summer... been colder than hell this year, and my pathetic tan has turned a glorious faded yellow..... Of course, with my luck, next year a huge heat wave will hit, the Mendel will burn down the night before the exhibit opens because of a riverbank brush fire, and my car will overheat on the way to the airport to pick people up, leaving jmdl'ers desperate enough to call Myrtle and beg for a ride! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 04:29:57 -0400 From: "Lisa Peakes" Subject: Re: Song To A Seagull > Paradox and periwinkle< I thought it was "peridots" - a (chartreuse-colored?) gemstone - she's talking about mythic treasure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:50:49 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Song To A Seagull > Paradox and periwinkle, > > blue medallion, I always thought it wasPeridots, periwinkles, blue medalions > > > /Pat > > mailto:pmead@pacbell.net > > CD-R, cassette & video tape trades: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 05:03:22 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Song To A Seagull In a message dated 7/6/99 4:27:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lpeakes@email.msn.com writes: << > Paradox and periwinkle< I thought it was "peridots" - a (chartreuse-colored?) gemstone - she's talking about mythic treasure >> You thought correctly. There must be a joke about a paradox here somewhere, but it's 5 a.m. so I won't push it. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 02:11:16 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Song To A Seagull > In a message dated 7/6/99 4:27:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > lpeakes@email.msn.com writes: > > << > > Paradox and periwinkle< > > I thought it was "peridots" - a (chartreuse-colored?) gemstone - she's > talking about mythic treasure Most are a dull lime green but some look almost like emeralds. It is the August birthstone and one of the duller ones adorns my right ring finger. ;-) Paul wrote: > You thought correctly. > There must be a joke about a paradox here somewhere, but it's 5 a.m. so I > won't push it. Knowing my friend Pat, he probably has a copy of some alternate, early lyrics at hand ;-D "Periodontist para-winkles blooming scallions Gilded gallons spilled across the ocean floor" Ah, too much inhalation of frou-frou drinks and firecracker smoke this weekend. Kakki Happy Birthdays Gina and Pearl and welcome back JZW ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:54:21 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: RE: STAS promo spots and others <<......three radio commercial spots that Joni did for STAS. Does anyone know about these and have they appeared on a prior tape tree?>> Davina, There are three different promo radio spot 45's on Reprise label. 1) STAS 2) Clouds 3) Ladies of the Canyon I don't believe these have been on a tree yet. I know they circulate on tape, I would not pay anyone for them. FYI, Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:05:52 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Song To A Seagull Harkening back to the big joni album poll of some time ago (6 months?) I was amazed at how poorly Jonis early albums did relative to her more recent ones. Can someone recall the vote and how it turned out? I even wrote a post about how poorly it had done.. STAS is my all time favorite Joni album and not because it was the first one I ever heard. I just thought the songs were awesome, the writing was incredibleand I still do.. I'm glad to see so many others sharing appreciation today. The picture on the back of Joni in the village is a classic and I wish I had a huge poster of it. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:20:23 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull In a message dated 7/5/99 10:39:39 PM Central Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << The latter has always been such a peaceful, meditative song for me. How can anyone remain stressed after listening to that gem? Joni hit the ground running with this album! >> And I've always found it interesting that she sings in a "lower" voice on STAS than on clouds & LOTC, she hits some high notes but doesn't seem to have the same "helium" effect... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:12:33 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Cowboy Junkies - NJC In a message dated 7/6/99 12:57:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes: > Michael's songwriting continues to develop > also. I rank some of his lyrics right up there close to Joni's. Not > as melodic, perhaps, but that seems to develop further with each new > record also. I've never understood why this band doesn't get more > mention on this list. To each his own, I guess! > Michael Timmins is one of my all-time favorite songwriters. I'm a huge Cowboy Junkies fan! I love Margo's voice but it was the songwriting that drew me in when I first heard Black Eyed Man. They are one of my favorite bands. I have almost all of their CDs at this point. Margo's cover of Sweet Jane, the Lou Reed song, is one of my favorite covers and one that even Lou himself complimented her on. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:36:33 -0600 From: Terri Forte Subject: Re: Song To A Seagull STAS is my favorite album as well. The whole thing flows beautifully like one long narrative. I picked up an album at a thrift shop and hung it on my wall. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:34:47 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull In a message dated 7/6/99 8:24:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: > << The > latter has always been such a peaceful, meditative song for me. How can > anyone remain stressed after listening to that gem? Joni hit the ground > running with this album! >> Every time I listen to STAS, I make a comment (to whoever will listen) about what an amazing first album this was. Sometimes when an artist puts out such an incredible collection of fine songs, it's hard for them to follow it up with more good stuff; with the next album and the albums after that. And look what Joni's done! Here we are 30+ years later, still listening to incredible songs by her! I bought STAS (which until this list I always thought was self-titled) a few months after discovering Joni with Hejira in 1976. I bought just about everything. I recall thinking: I thought she started out as a *folk singer*. The songs on STAS didn't sound much like any other folk music I'd ever heard. I have been delighted years after to read here and there (mostly here!) that she considered her first album a collection of *art songs*. I didn't have a name then for what to call her earliest recorded songs. I just knew they were different from anything I'd ever heard in any genre and I loved it more than anything I'd heard in any genre! I appreciated not being able to categorize her early music. It enhanced my feeling that I'd discovered an artist that was truly special. And that STAS sounded so different from Hejira was further proof that Joni was the most precious gem I'd ever discovered. I couldn't wait for the next record. And what a record it turned out to be! Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:45:42 -0400 From: "Barnicle, Kathryn" Subject: Tim Curry Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: I love covers and especially some of these radical interpretations (why would you try and do the tune just like Joni when it would only provoke unfavorable comparison?)...speaking of which, has anyone heard Tim Curry's version of "Cold Blue Steel..."? I heard a section of it as part of a Joni interview with Tony Hale (more about that later). Anyway, the Curry piece really sounds bizarre at first, like Frank N. Furter does Joni, but after a couple listens it's kind of cool, very Bowie-ish... _________________________________ I had two of Tim Curry's albums from the 70's and each one had a Joni cover! Unfortunately, these albums are LP's and I don't have my turntable set up, so I haven't listened to them in ages. His other cover of Joni's was "All I want" and from what I remember I liked his version very much. He does replace various lyrics with "Want a hand up your sweater" rather than "want to knit you a sweater" and "I want to f**k till I drop" instead of "I want to dance till I drop". I seem to remember some eerie police sirens on his version of Cold Blue Steel. Katie from the Cape ********************************************************************** The information contained in this communication is confidential and privileged proprietary information intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, distribution, copying or disclosure of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately. 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When I asked one guy if they had any >of the >older Joni songbooks, he acted like that was the craziest >thing he'd ever >heard and said sniffily "Oh, no, no, no, most of HER >books are no longer >being published - it's not like she's JEWEL or >something." >No, I did not retort - it was all I could do to not burst out >laughing >;-)Kakki It's funny you should mention that. I'd really like to get my hands on a copy of a book I had ages ago that my wretched sister lent to a friend of hers (sans ma permission!!!) which said friend never did return. It may have been called something as highly imaginative as "The Joni Michell Songbook" (Imagine that!) It had on the front cover the picture from "Clouds" and inside it had songs and music from both "Clouds" and "Song to a Seagull" as well as a number of unpublished songs such as "Carnival in Kenora" and "A melody in your name". "Can you still remember how it all began with clipper ships and pink electric trees? Dawnlight on a rooftop, bridges span, Streetlight on a [something] melody. Then it was me, and spring came, Breathing a song of spring rain. A melody in your name." and so on. If you were a friend or even a remote acquaintance of one Anne McKay of Mississauga Ontario Canada, and borrowed her sister's music book 'lo these many years ago, hear me now. I WANT IT BACK!! As usual, this book used the standard guitar tunings, so none of it really sounded like Joni's version, but it was a good start. It seems to me the piano arrangements weren't bad. I do have several older music books so if there's anything in particular you're looking for, I'm willing to photocopy it and mail it to you. Surely to goodness, there are enough of us out there/out here? who want such a thing as a REALLY DECENT Joni songbook that has ALL of her stuff in it - and with proper guitar stuff in it. The ideal book would have both standard tunings (for those who are confused by the open tunings) and the proper open tunings (for those of us who love that sound, when we can work ourselves around to constantly retuning the guitar.) Wouldn't that be something? Do you suppose there's some publishing company whose back we could get on about this? MGVal@aol.com and others wrote... >Subject: Re: Joni The Romantic >These lyrics make me wanna segue to this James Taylor song that James >and Joni performed...in fact, I have been singing it alot >today...synchronicitiy? :~)>>"...The sun is slowly sinking down and >the moon is slowly rising>This old world will still be spinning >round and >I still love you That's so sweet. I recorded this off the radio (again,eons ago, is we getting old, or what?) as a live concert that Joni did with James Taylor and I really do remember that song in particular. I wonder what happened to that tape? Probably disintegrated... >In a message dated 7/5/1999 12:22:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >ATAKATS@ninenet.com.au writes:<< Hi there, >Wondering whether you guys could help me out with something..... >Going to a party in a couple of weeks and the theme is "what I want >to be >when I grow up". So of course I want to go as our very own >singer/song >writer Joni Mitchell...any ideas of a certain outfit she >wore to a certain >concert that I could copy - or certain articles of >clothing that are very >"joni-like"?? >anyone know of any particular pictures on JM website that I should >have a >look at to get ideas? I'm sure there are listers that have >done the joni >dress-up thing...what did you wear? I'm certainly no wardrobe maven, but Joni is certainly a very stylish dresser. I'd be hard-pressed to describe what might be a typical Joni outfit. I'd recommend an early Joni hairstyle. Straight. Long. Blonde. Maybe a hat. And a cigarette (how 'bout a candy one? those other things'll give you cancer.) I'm going to suggest a long straight skirt with a side-slit, a long sweater over top worn outside the skirt with a slim belt around the middle (Kind of French looking). I'm not sure about the shoes - my mind's eye is wavering between a granny boot type of thing (but nothing clunky) and a sling-back or something. The hat would be either a beret or a cloche-type (if cloche, then a flower is optional). I don't know where i'm getting this image from, but I don't think I'm making it up. Other than that, look at as many pictures as you can to see if you can define the Joni style. She has some fine outfits. And MGVal@aol.com wrote >Subject: Re: Roberta? >Now the big mystery is why Joni's friends call her "Joan," and Joan >Baez's >friends call her "Joni." Here's my take on it. Lots of Joans get called Joni. People don't seem to like one-syllable names, so they add the y or i or ie to it. (I once went through a Cathy phase, but stopped it, because i'm really not a Cathy.) So Joan Baez was called Joni or Joanie by her friends, but somehow "Joan. Baez." sounds serious and that's the kind of singing Ms B was doing. The flow of Joni Mitchell works better than Joan Mitchell (it does for me, anyway.) Imagine if she had gone with Roberta. Bobbi. Bobbi Mitchell. Bobbi Anderson. If she ever decides to do a country album, she could call herself Bobbi Anderson. And finally, this has rankled me all night. I said yesterday that I hated anagrams. It was acronyms I was thinking of. Quelle dork! Cheerio. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:29:40 -0400 From: Valerie Kraemer Subject: Re: Song To A Seagull I can tell that being on this list is going to make my wallet a lot lighter (also called EWS, or empty wallet syndrome, on another list to which I belong). I'm going to go out today and buy STAS since I don't have it on CD, and I no longer have a record player. I'm gradually getting the whole Joni collection on CD. Several of my vinyl copies had been played almost to the point of extinction anyway. Speaking of abbreviations, what does "NJC" mean? - --Valerie Richardson Terri Forte wrote: > > STAS is my favorite album as well. The whole thing flows beautifully like > one long narrative. I picked up an album at a thrift shop and hung it on > my wall. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:51:13 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Song To A Seagull Valerie Kraemer wrote: > I can tell that being on this list is going to make my wallet a lot > lighter (also called EWS, or empty wallet syndrome, on another list to > which I belong). I'm going to go out today and buy STAS since I don't > have it on CD, and I no longer have a record player. I'm gradually > getting the whole Joni collection on CD. Several of my vinyl copies had > been played almost to the point of extinction anyway. You might as well take the plunge and but them all on cd now. You'll end up doing so anyway. That's what happened to me shortly after joining the list (many moons ago). > > > Speaking of abbreviations, what does "NJC" mean? No Joni Content. Because the list is split into those who receive all messages from the list, and only those that have Joni content. That is why it is important to label NJC when there is no Joni content. If not, the NJC Police will be on you very quickly, even though they make up less than 5% of the list. np: Original Cast recording of Parade ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:00:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 4 1983: Joni performs at the Pineknob in Detroit - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:03:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 6 1968: Today's issue of Rolling Stone reviews Joni's first album, saying "Here is Joni Mitchell. A penny yellow blonde with a vanilla voice. Influenced, or appearing influenced, by Judy Collins, gingham, leather, lace, producer David Crosby (the ex-Byrd), Robert Herrick, North Battleford (Saskatchewan), New York (New York), Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Chuck, seagulls, dolphins, taxicabs, Dairy Queen floats, someone named Mr. Kratzman, "who taught me to love words," the Lovin' Spoonful, rain, sunlight, garbage, metermaids and herself." Read the entire review at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/revjmrs.htm 1974: Today's Canadian Music Chart lists "Court & Sparks" (sic) as the #2 album. http://www.jonimitchell.com/CanadianChart74.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:01:00 -0600 From: This Month in Joni History Subject: This Month in Joni History - July 1970: In the UK, "Big Yellow Taxi" reaches #11 and the "Ladies Of The Canyon" album hits #8. 1971: Joni tours the US and Europe with Jackson Browne, and is featured on backing vocals on James Taylor's US #1 You've Got A Friend. 1976: This month's issue of ARCHITECTURAL DIGEST magazine features a spread on Joni's new (and still current) home, complete with many pictures. Read the article at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/AD776.html 1979: The "Mingus" album is released. Mitchell is quoted as saying: "Mingus wanted his stock to go up before he died, there was an element of choosing me to write his epitaph, help ensure he got a bigger funeral." The album peaks at #17 in the US and #24 in the UK. 1991: This month's CD Review magazine publishes an interview with Joni. She is asked: "How much work have you done on the boxed set so far?" and responds: "We've begun the process of saving tapes. Old master tapes, like film, are deteriorating now - we've lived that long that they're beginning to go. So we're transferring over the early albums onto digital. In the process, we're looking at the raw footage, the uncut footage, and there's a lot that's salvageable there." Read the entire interview at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/cdr9107.htm 1996: This month's DETAIL magazine prints a short (and heavily edited) interview with Joni in which she says "America is trained to the new, and Joni Mitchell has been around for a while, although each of my albums has been a brand-new ball game. But I spent most of my life out of sync. I mean, I've been blacklisted for a long time." Read the printed portion of the interview at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/96detail.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:08:36 From: Richard Subject: Re: Miles Davis & "Kind of Blue" (vlJC) Hi All, I'm new to the list (about a week of lurking) and just wanted to add my $.02 worth. I too heard this on NPR and agree it is well worth the listen. I have had quite a few chats with a cousin of the funk/fusion guitarist of the MD band (circa 1970 or so). Some truly womdeful stories, albeit third hand, about the music industry and the creative energy that was MD. I currently work with a drummer that had the honor of being called "one bad ****** ******" by MD himself back when he was working the clubs in NY city. As for me, I was in my teens when I first heard Joni. As was common, waaaaayyyyy back then (yes I'm older ... but no wiser), everyone was trying to play, write, and sing like her. Unfortunately, I had made my instrument of choice bass but secretly longed to play guitar like her and I'm still trying *sigh*. As to any particular favorite Joni songs, I must confess ... they all are. Without exception, each one is a work of art. The way she "crafts" each phrase or plays the music against her voice can absolutely ammaze and confound. There are few, if any, to compare her with. OK... enough gushing. Will write and contribute as time permits .. but for the mean while ... it's back to lurkdom. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:23:39 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: 99's best so far (NJC) Bob M wrote: <<>> Bob, Bob, Bob. So well-intentioned, but... ;-) The *real* best of '99 so far [wink, wink] in rough order from best to almost best: Cassandra Wilson, _Traveling Miles_ Roots, _Things Fall Apart_ Bryan Thomas, _Radio Plastic Jennifer_ (a JMDLer too!) Sleater-Kinney, _Hot Rock_ TLC, _Fan Mail_ Nas, _I Am..._ And the new Luscious Jackson looks like it's headed right up there, too. Overall, though, I have to say that this year is a little disappointing so far. - --Michael NP: Luscious Jackson, _Electric Honey_ - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:09:54 -0400 From: Lisa Molin Subject: Re: Joni Dress-Ups This is my idea of a good outfit, a green velour (or velvet) top and matching pants like the outfit Joni wears on the cover of "For The Roses." I think Joni looks so beautiful in that photo, and this shade of green really compliments her skin coloring. I don't know what your color is, (and obviously it doesn't matter one stitch) but I think a long blonde wig could easily hint at Joni, along with a big, artistic piece of jewelry, like a large torguise (spelling) stone ring. Or, you could do a more updated Joni look, which I think could be conveyed with loose fitting, linen clothing, like billowy pants with a long matching jacket. At the concert last week, Joni was all in Black - black Tshirt, black linen (long) jacket, black linen pants, with a scarf around her neck (it looked Peruvian - lots of yellow, some orange, and other colors mixed in). And don't forget - you need cigarettes - lots of them. A barrette would be good too, to hint at the bohemian days of old. Good luck!! Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:30:58 -0700 From: Patrick Mead Subject: Re: Song To A Seagull At 02:11 AM 7/6/99 -0700, you wrote: ..actually "paradox" is my second favorite "mondegreen" --- but thanks to everybody who thought I need my ears cleaned! my favorite is from "All I Want: "...when I think of your kisses my mind sees sauce." /Pat >Knowing my friend Pat, he probably has a copy of some alternate, early >lyrics at hand ;-D > >"Periodontist para-winkles blooming scallions >Gilded gallons spilled across the ocean floor" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:37:29 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles Davis & "Kind of Blue" (vlJC) In a message dated 7/6/99 10:16:08 AM Central Daylight Time, ram5@po.cwru.edu writes: << OK... enough gushing. Will write and contribute as time permits .. but for the mean while ... it's back to lurkdom. Richard >> Welcome Richard! And please DO contribute often, or else all we can do is think of "The Last Time I Saw (or heard from)Richard"...:~) Bob NP: Refuge of The Roads from the Autry show ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 17:40:02 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC:PHEW!!! According to the predictions of Nostrodamus, Amrageddon, the END, should have taken place the day before yesterday. Glad to be able to breathe again! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:06:44 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Dress-Ups and Central Park Outfit In a message dated 7/6/99 12:21:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lisa@esinter.com writes: > At the concert last week, Joni was all in Black - black Tshirt, > black linen (long) jacket, black linen pants, with a scarf around her neck > (it looked Peruvian - lots of yellow, some orange, and other colors mixed > in). This is so funny to me. I asked a fellow lister who was at the concert last week what Joni was wearing and he said a black sweater and "*something*, a dress, I think". !!!! Thanks for the *real* scoop! And one of those little online ; } to my friend, who is obviously fashion senseless! Take care, Gina NP: Dire Straits - On Every Street ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:25:00 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Dress-Ups In a message dated 7/6/99 11:21:09 AM Central Daylight Time, lisa@esinter.com writes: << This is my idea of a good outfit, a green velour (or velvet) top and matching pants like the outfit Joni wears on the cover of "For The Roses." >> Just don't go in the birthday suit she's wearing on the INSIDE cover! :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 17:42:21 GMT From: Catherine McKay Subject: Parody or tribute? So, of course, I wasn't there, so what gives me the right to comment on a concert where I wasn't? Usually I cringe at the thought of any kind of "tribute" because I always think someone is going to totally screw up. However, from what I read, it does sound fabulous. I just wanted to comment on the remarks by Mark and Kakki, which are: >Mark mused about the tributes: >I wonder about this too. Some of them seem to have a mocking tone >about them as if the singer is making fun of the song instead of >paying tribute to it. Am I misunderstanding or being too sensitive >here? >I perceived a wanna-be-punkish self-indulgence in some of >the covers. >Don't know if they were deliberately making fun of her >- any attempts at >parody were certainly dismal if they were. Maybe >we should not give them >that much credit!Kakki Sometimes parody is a form of tribute. If you don't admire something about the person, they're probably not worth making fun of. Does that make sense? On the other hand, if someone has a totally different take on a song than you might have, it can be a bit of a shocker. (What gives that creep the RIGHT to destroy a beautiful song like that?) Kind of like when they do a movie of some book you've enjoyed reading and they totally miscast the main characters. I have to say though, if one more person does a cover of "Big yellow taxi", I'm gonna throw up. Is that the ONLY song Joni ever wrote? Yeesh :} cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 18:51:29 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC:passion There are times in life when the business of getting on and doing things just gets in the way of living. It has been like that for a long time for me. Today, i realised I hadn't just sat and listened to music for a very long time. I couldn't do it in London as i just couldn't relax because I had to keep my eyes open and my hearing clear for the next violation of my space. It isn't like that anymore. So i got myself a coffee, sat in my reclinber and put a cd on. As I began to mellow, i came alive and it felt good. I trembled, my throat constricted and I was overwhelmed with feelings i find hard to describe. feelings of passion and pain, grief and peace, of joy and yearning. A longong for onesness with all that there is. This is why I love music so much and why Joni is one of those singers that makes me feel these things. I am so grateful I have the abiltity to hear and to feel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:18:09 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Miles Davis & "Kind of Blue" (vlJC) >In a message dated 7/6/99 10:16:08 AM Central Daylight Time, ram5@po.cwru.edu >writes: > ><< OK... enough gushing. Will write and contribute as time permits .. but for > the mean while ... it's back to lurkdom. > > Richard >> > And our witty Bob writes: >Welcome Richard! And please DO contribute often, or else all we can do is >think of "The Last Time I Saw (or heard from)Richard"...:~) > Yes Richard please post more often .... or are you busy buying dishwashers and coffee percolators .... Heather NP: Tuttu - Miles Davis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 19:37:10 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: joni video trees 1&2 I got my copy of the 1st and 2nd video tree tapes last week and watched them with relish (very savory :-) over the weekend. Many thanks to all who contributed to the tape and put it together so well, and special thanks to Ashara who made me the copies. The American/Canadian interviews were particularly interesting, firstly because I knew so little about Joni herself, and her thoughts about her work. Secondly because it is apparent that for all her problems with having been ostracized by the pop world, she obviously has a very big following over there. She is a celebrity. For the BBC, I thought the Terry Wogan interview was pathetic - he obviously hadn't a clue who he was talking to, and the late show interview although somewhat more intelligent, showed by the more general content of most questions, that the producer probably felt the British audience doesn't really know much about Joni either. Which is probably true. Sadly true. The other thing that struck me was that in her performances, it was the ones where she is by herself, that she seems to come across most strongly. It almost seems that adding other musicians dilutes her music rather than augments it. I felt this most when she sang solo, songs that I only know as band performances from her albums. A recent thread has been about Joni's guitar style, where some people have been contending that it has become simpler, even lazier of late. Again watching her solo guitar offerings, I've realised that her style is neither simple or lazy. It certainly looks like her right hand is waving rather vaguely over the strings, but the way she strokes, flicks and taps is very precise. Quite often she is synchopating so much that she goes for several bars, only hinting at the beat, but her sense of rhythm is so strong that she can do it and still keep a 'groove', whilst all the time, her words cut across the beat too. It takes a lot of attention and skill to do that. It ain't so simple folks!! Oh Joni, Joni, seeing as you are not likely to come over to the UK to perform, I guess I'll just have to come to see you in America or Canada. Many times. Huge thanks again to the video tape tree growers. Martin. NP Everything of hers in my head....constantly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: NJC:passion catman "blisses out", but leaves a mystery ... > So i got myself a coffee, sat in my reclinber and > put a cd on. > Which one? Joni? Carly? Other? The suspense is killing me ... especially since you describe the experience ... > I trembled, my > throat constricted and I was overwhelmed with > feelings i find hard to > describe. > feelings of passion and pain, grief and peace, of > joy and yearning. A > longong for onesness with all that there is. > This is why I love music so much and why Joni is one > of those singers > that makes me feel these things. > I am so grateful I have the abiltity to hear and to > feel. > If it were me feeling this way, the cd playing would be "Hejira" ... but that's just me. Please send along the NP ... if ever a post needed it, this would be it! :-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:55:03 -0700 From: Casey Certis-Milby Subject: Martin Simpson NJC Martin was one of my favorite performers when he was living in Santa Cruz, but I never realized he was a Joni fan until one show when his promoters messed up and he was handling ticket sales alternatively. I called the new number for tickets and left my home phone number on their machine. My machine at the time was pre-digital, so I recorded bits and pieces of music on the tape with my outgoing message. Joni was on, as she often was, this time singing: But then absurdity came over me And I longed to lose control (into no mind) Oh all I ever wanted Was to come in from the cold Imagine my delight one afternoon when I came home to hear Martin's own rich voice on my machine in response to my call! And his first words? Is this just vulgar electricity Is this the edifying fire Thanks for the opportunity to relive a fond memory. Casey - -- "It is good to have an end to journey towards; but it is the journey that matters in the end." U.K.LeG. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:30:19 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: NJC:passion >There are times in life when the business of getting on and doing things >just gets in the way of living. It has been like that for a long time >for me. Today, i realised I hadn't just sat and listened to music for a >very long time. I couldn't do it in London as i just couldn't relax >because I had to keep my eyes open and my hearing clear for the next >violation of my space. It isn't like that anymore. >So i got myself a coffee, sat in my reclinber and put a cd on. >As I began to mellow, i came alive and it felt good. I trembled, my >throat constricted and I was overwhelmed with feelings i find hard to >describe. >feelings of passion and pain, grief and peace, of joy and yearning. A >longong for onesness with all that there is. >This is why I love music so much and why Joni is one of those singers >that makes me feel these things. >I am so grateful I have the abiltity to hear and to feel. You couldn't be more correct, Colin. I think we all need to do as you did more often. I'm taking your direction ..... as soon as I get home I'm pouring myself a tall iced tea, putting some Joni in the 5 disc changer and sitting in my favorite chair. I'm so glad your move to the country has benefited you in so many ways.... luv Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:18:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Parody or tribute? Welcome Catherine! It's good to see another Irish Catherine like me who has been with Joni since time began ;-) You wrote: > So, of course, I wasn't there, so what gives me the right to comment on a > concert where I wasn't? Usually I cringe at the thought of any kind of > "tribute" because I always think someone is going to totally screw up. > However, from what I read, it does sound fabulous. I hope you were not thinking that Mark and I were slamming the tribute concert in New York last week. We were referring to another tribute - an album that came out in Canada, I believe, in 1992 titled Back To The Garden - A Tribute to Joni Mitchell". This tape was distributed through the tape trees recently and it is, well, unusual. and the covers are done by people/groups I had not heard of previously like Squiddly, Universal Honey, W.O.W. and others. It's interesting to hear. > Sometimes parody is a form of tribute. If you don't admire something about > the person, they're probably not worth making fun of. Does that make sense? It makes great sense. In fact, several of us here on the list have penned many parodies of Joni's songs. These can be found on the JMDL website in the Gallery section and they are quite hysterical. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:43:52 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull Finally...my other most favorite Joni album gets its due! Bob wrote: > And I've always found it interesting that she sings in a "lower" voice on > STAS than on clouds & LOTC, she hits some high notes but doesn't seem to have > the same "helium" effect... I wonder if she got giddier or something moving to L.A. in the 60s? ;-) This got me thinking how we so rarely discuss her first three albums and how even she tends to wave them off as ingenue-ish. Yet some of her most well-known and covered songs came from Clouds and Ladies of the Canyon - sheesh! Chelsea Morning, Both Sides Now, Big Yellow Taxi, Woodstock, Circle Game and several of the others are staples in popular music. Even the lesser played or covered songs from those albums are totally gorgeous and brilliant and contain so much depth and emotion. When some of us were off to the first night of the tapings, we thought of bringing some items to be autographed on the off-chance we'd get to meet her. My first choice was to take my STAS vinyl album but I didn't want to be hauling around something so large and unwieldy, so I threw the Clouds CD in my purse at the last minute. We did get to meet her after the show and I was almost embarrassed to present it to her, worried that she'd think I had not evolved too far. She even kind of smirked a little at it. O.K. so it wasn't Hejira ;-) but those early songs are so in my blood, I could not leave them behind if I wanted to. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:33:11 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Globe and Mail Article Danny Kapilian was quoted as saying: <<>> Now come on Danny. Chaka's performance at your own damn concert should convince you that that statement isn't true. I'm really disappointed to hear one of Joni's own fans (and at least for a bit, a JMDLer) ghettoize and belittle women musicians like this. I hope you were just as misquoted here as I assume you were with the Blue through For the Roses bit. In any case, it was a phenomenal show. Thank you. Make sure to line up Chaka for the _1999_ concert in December. :-) - --Michael NP: Madonna, "Beautiful Stranger" (Calderone Club Mix) just another non-brilliant female rock artist - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:41:22 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: jonifest 2000? A tanless Evian wrote (while freezing up north): >> >Well, lets all go to the Mendel in Saskatoon, then trek on down to >Calgary and go singing Joni tunes through the Rockies like the Von >Trappe family, OK!! You get out your lederhosen and I'll get my little white schulzblech. We'll join hands and sing "the hills are alive with Joni's muuuuuuusic!" Oh I can see it now ....... the men in white jackets chasing us down the mountain side. or a demented version of Up With People! We can wind it >up on the coast at Joni's B.C. hideaway. Yeah, we'll get Joni to cook for us! We'll tell her that we are on the lam and we need a good hideaway. And then, of course, Mama >Ashara can rush on home and get things ready for her YEARLY party, while >we rent a bus, decorate it a' la the Partridge Family, and sing for our >supper all the way to New England... I mean, if good ole Tracey >Partridge could fake it, so can I! Oh come on get happy! And whadda mean fake it? I bet you know the entire Partridge theme song ;-) And Heather, I think I still have my >old jean jacket with the Duran Duran logo on it that we can share ;) >Union of the Snake all the way, baby!!!! I'm impressed! Heather np: Duran Duran - Reflex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:58:34 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull Kakki wrote: >I wonder if she got giddier or something moving to L.A. in the 60s? ;-) > You think smokin' a little hooch might make ones voice higher? >This got me thinking how we so rarely discuss her first three albums and how >even she tends to wave them off as ingenue-ish. Yet some of her most >well-known and covered songs came from Clouds and Ladies of the Canyon - >sheesh! Chelsea Morning, Both Sides Now, Big Yellow Taxi, Woodstock, Circle >Game and several of the others are staples in popular music. Even the >lesser played or covered songs from those albums are totally gorgeous and >brilliant and contain so much depth and emotion. I love STAS too. Maybe ... just maybe she was targeting the top 40 at that time with Clouds and LOTC. Then after these albums (and Blue) comes FTR. A somewhat radical difference, don't you think? Or do you think Blue is a transitional work? > >When some of us were off to the first night of the tapings, we thought of >bringing some items to be autographed on the off-chance we'd get to meet >her. My first choice was to take my STAS vinyl album but I didn't want to >be hauling around something so large and unwieldy, so I threw the Clouds CD >in my purse at the last minute. We did get to meet her after the show and I >was almost embarrassed to present it to her, worried that she'd think I had >not evolved too far. She even kind of smirked a little at it. O.K. so it >wasn't Hejira ;-) but those early songs are so in my blood, I could not >leave them behind if I wanted to. I would have bought the LP, Kakki. And then again, I would have had trouble choosing between STAS or FTR. I'm a little surprised she smirked at it. I remember giving Laura Nyro my "Christmas and the Beads of Sweat" LP to sign ... she exclaimed "oh my!" I felt a little smallish. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:08:08 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: NJC:passion Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:32:07 +0100 From: catman I deliberately didn't say what it was i was listening to because it wasn't Joni. However, it could have been, which was the point. I guess I was talking any music I might like. All sorts of music moves me from simple pop songs to Joni and Carly to Janis Ian to Dance to Vangelis' Conquest of Paradise which i wish was much longer tyhan the 4odd mins it is. Something simple like The Banlges Eternal Flame moves me but in a way that is obvious to me-its gushy and I like that. but others like Joni and Carly move me in a way more complex-to the extent i find it hard to describe accurately-its like I am moved into orbit and I can see clearly and am overwhelmed by it all. Anyhow, to get to your point the song was Carly's TOUCHED BY THE SUN. This song is like a prayer to me and one I identify with. it is also what Carly really does well-a Belter! here is the lyric: if you want to be brave and reach for the top of the sky and the farthest point on the horizon do you know who you'll meet there? great soldiers and seafarers, artists and dreamers who need to be close, close to the light they need to be in danger of burning by fire and I, I want to get there I, I want to be one one who is touched by the sun, one who is touched by the sun often I want to walk the safe side of the street and lull myself to sleep and dull my pain but deep down inside I know I've got to learn from the greats earn my right to be living let my wings of desire soar over the night I need to let them say 'she must have been mad' and I, I want to get there I, I want to be one one who is touched by the sun one who is touched by the sun I've got to learne from the greats earn my right to be living with every breath that I take, every heartbeat and I, I want to get there I, I want to be one one who is touched by the sun one who is touched by the sun ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #295 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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