From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #289 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, July 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 289 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Jason's reply (is this JC, or NJC???) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Mark's reply [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Tarzan [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Re: Jewel [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] Re: Tarzan [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] Coulda Been Joni Soundtracks, (was Tarzan) [MGVal@aol.com] Information Sharing - NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Information Sharing [MGVal@aol.com] Michael Hedges (NJC) [Terri Forte ] Re: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Joni in the Park [michael paz ] Naked Boho Dancing at Ashara's (NJC) [michael paz ] RE: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden (njc) ["patrick leader" ] Re: Michael Hedges (NJC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Euro jmdlers(NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni's Jazz ["Kakki" ] Globe and Mail Article [Deb Messling ] Re: Euro jmdlers(NJC) [Rob Jordan ] Another Joni and Jewel story ["Kakki" ] NJC:no internet [catman ] Re: Globe and Mail Article ["Mark or Travis" ] Eric Postel lost your Emails ["Eric G. Postel" ] jm of course ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: Another Joni and Jewel story [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: NJC:no internet [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Globe and Mail Article [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:20:09 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden In a message dated 6/30/99 11:27:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, trxschwa@bway.net writes: > i'm not being selfish. i just really think it's cool when gina and others > realize that when you say 'I was wondering', the information is probably out > there and you should maybe make a little effort and look yourself. it took > me a little work, but that's what this whole www thang is about, no? > I should have made it clear that I've have no web access for the last two weeks or so (for a while it was an on-again/off-again problem, not it's truly consistent). I'm working to solve the problem but I didn't think of it as an imposition to the list and if it was, I apologize. I was being conversational, too...sharing my thoughts about some of these covers. I thought that was what it was all about, too...sorry. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:36:36 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Jason's reply (is this JC, or NJC???) Kakki posted: >Becuase you are the one now sequeing >into a discussion of JC, NJC, list content >and moderation. Let me get this straight, Kakki. You sre saying that because the subject of the thread has segued on to other topics that that is reason to single me out for doing what many did before and after me? I'm sorry, but that does not make sense to me. >So let's all just push the envelope until an >authority figure reigns us in and directs >us? I don't remember advocating "pushing emvelopes" at all. I do advocate moderation though. >But you've implied and indicated that >people will and should post anything they >want unless the list is moderated. I think you are wrong. I did indeed imply that "people will" and further that "people can", but I NEVER said "people should". I think you are attributing to me words I did not say. If I did say or imply that people "should" post anything they want, point it out to me and I will retract it immediately and apologize. >And then you strongly indicated your >preference for the elimination of NJC and >for a moderator. Correct. >It's becomes a bit contradictory like "we >will say whatever we want, unless you >stop us, and then we will not say whatever >we want and that is how I prefer it to be." This is exactly correct. Where is the contradiction? Example: Flag burning is a legal form of protest. I think it should be illegal, but because it is legal, I defend it. If it becomes illegal, then I stop defending it. >According to your post regarding favorable >responses, it seemed that the majority >laughing were men at the expense of >some of the women here. The majority of those responding favorably were men. Six men and one woman to be exact, to three unfavorable responses by two women and one male. >You used language which, rightly or >wrongly, is interpreted by many women as >degrading, demeaning and hurtful. But >maybe you were not aware of that. Of course I was aware of that. That is why I preceeded it with the following warning: "It contains ADULT language so if you are easily offended, leave now." >No, you could have said "I don't want to >hear it" and you would have registered >your preference and no one would have >presumed you were trying to speak for the >list, just as those who said "I don't want to >hear it" to your post were registering their >personal preference. Yes, I could have said that, but I was not interested in posting my personal preferences at that time, nor do I believe that most are interested in my persnal preferences any more than I am interested in theirs. I offer my personal preferences only in response to others stating theirs to me, or specifically asking for mine. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:07:01 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Mark's reply Mark posted: >Just to set the record straight, I did *not* >and do not presume to speak for the entire >list. Mark, I don't believe anyone accused you of doing so, at least not publicly. >I find people that do so just as irritating >and tiresome as Dave does. Thanks for agreeing. >Dave speculated as to what it meant when >so few people expressed a negative >opinion about his joke. Not exactly what I speculated on but that's neither here nor there. >I was merely expressing my *thoughts* as >to what it meant. As you have every right to under the current format. >I happen to read pretty much everything >that gets posted to this discussion list. >Don't ask me why. I certainly won't. Not every single thing is of interest to me. [I guess it's compulsive. I'm afraid that if I skip something I'll somehow miss out.] As a rule I don't complain about threads that don't interest me. I also believe that we all have the right to discuss whatever we please. I agree with everything outside the brackets I've inserted. >*However*. I do *not* believe that any of >us should continue to inflict petty bickering >on this list long after the subject being >argued about has ceased to be of interest >or relevance. If you are referring to this thread and it's many twists and turns, then disagree with your characterization of it as "petty bickering". One person's bickering is another's debate. I would also disagree with your interpretation of what is "interesting and relevant". The continuing replies would indicate otherwise. If you were not referring to this thread, then I disregard this paragraph. >I also think it's very childish to continue >going on & on about something just for the >sake of having the last word. If one does this "for the sake of having the last word" then I agree. But if someone responds publicly to all posts directed to him or her publicly, then I disagree. This is not childish, but an ongoing conversation or debate, if you will, that CAN end anytime one of the parties loses interest. IOW, one is not "childish" for continuing to respond to a subject of interest, IMO. I've snipped the remainder of your post because I have nothing to add to it. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:33:30 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Tarzan In a message dated 7/1/99 1:33:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, memeca@jps.net writes: > Initially, I wondered why someone from this list would ask if I'd seen this > movie. (No) Did Joni contribute to the soundtrack? 1) The Jungle Line, 2) > Lesson in Survival, 3) Taming the Tiger, 4) A Strange Boy? But then I > realized it was my silly subject line (me new, too) that prompted it. Hi Mary, What clever suggestions! These are great Joni titles for the Tarzan movie. Better than listening to Phil Collins for every song. That might even be and interesting thread..to pick a movie and see what Joni songs should have been in it. Welcome Mary. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:07:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Jewel Zak says: <<>> Welcome Zak! Wow, a new Joni fan...do you have some treats in store for you!! And yes, all things Joni are appropriate. Personally, I like Jewel's "Pieces of You" a lot even though she sometimes gets roughed up a bit here. Thanks for introducing yourself - please continue to share your thoughts. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:25:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Tarzan Pearl said: <> Speaking of which, it was interesting to read that Disney chose NOT to put any black characters in Tarzan knowing that certain groups would be offended. Don't know if that's progress or not... <> Gone With The Wind - Shades of Scarlett Conquering (seems to be the obvious choice) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:44:51 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Coulda Been Joni Soundtracks, (was Tarzan) In a message dated 99-07-01 08:41:05 EDT, Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com writes: > > < and > see what Joni songs should have been in it.>> > > Gone With The Wind - Shades of Scarlett Conquering (seems to be > the obvious choice) > > Another obvious choice would be the soundtrack from "Diary of a Mad Housewife," with "Harry's House." Joni chronicles so much about chafing at the bit of suburbia's expectations that you could surely name more songs to flesh out the film. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:19:48 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Information Sharing - NJC Sorry, forgot my NJC. Still waiting for my coffee to finish..... MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:18:34 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Information Sharing In a message dated 99-07-01 00:42:00 EDT, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: > but if >someone had it at their fingertips why not just share? I would like to point out that I'm sure there are many of us out here who simply don't have Internet access to find out these things for themselves. I don't have it at work from my PC nor do I have it at home. That's one reason why I'm always grateful when others cut and paste an interesting tidbit from a website. Otherwise it passes. It's not always being lazy, sometimes we just can't access the information. For me, an upgrade to Internet is right on line behind getting my car fixed, getting my a/c fixed, (it was 106 yesterday!!), getting a new hearing aid, repairing the roof, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. ad nasuseum. I don't think that anyone is obligated to put themselves out to share information nor do I think that anyone on the list is miserly with it. With this second comment about accessing information, (the other being the e-Bay thread), I just wanted to point out that I'm sure that I'm not the only one without a surfboard.......... MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:13:39 -0600 From: Terri Forte Subject: Michael Hedges (NJC) To whomever suggested Michael Hedges "Torched," thank you! It's great. Terri (headed to the Black Hills on a road trip, yippee!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:08:41 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden Gina says: <<>> Thanks for asking this question Gina, and thanks for the answer Brian! I wanted to add this list as an insert to the tape and had been procrastinating about getting it. I love covers and especially some of these radical interpretations (why would you try and do the tune just like Joni when it would only provoke unfavorable comparison?)...speaking of which, has anyone heard Tim Curry's version of "Cold Blue Steel..."? I heard a section of it as part of a Joni interview with Tony Hale (more about that later). Anyway, the Curry piece really sounds bizarre at first, like Frank N. Furter does Joni, but after a couple listens it's kind of cool, very Bowie-ish... <<>> Richman of course scored a big comeback with his appearances in "Something About Mary"...I had an old vinyl of his that was great, songs about Leprechauns and Dodge Veg-O-Matics. More trivia: Jerry Harrison from Talking Heads fame came from The Modern Lovers...One last Richman bit: he did a song called "I'm Straight" that was unreleased except for its inclusion on a Warner Bros. compilation album...it was hilarious! He's trying to plead with a girl to like him because he's "straight" instead of Hippie Johnny who's always stoned...we got a lot of laughs out of that one in college. Bob, also lovin' all the live Joni, what's been treed and them what ain't -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I distinctly remember you saying something about this being an annual event. Futhermore, I think it is just plain RUDE to call all those wonderful people who are coming animals (party or otherwise). You certainly didn't mind last year when we did the naked boho dance thing. I also don't recall any comments about the aggressive "tent hoping" that was going on right under your window. And HEY, YOU started all this anyway. I am relying on you to be a character witness for me at my divorce proceedings. That is all! Michael (still slouching towards Topsfield to have something to do this summer) NP-Strayed Away-Terry Dexter (a GREAT singer from Detroit on Warner Brothers Due in stores in July and performing this weekend at the Essence Festival in New Orleans) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:38:44 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, Gina (NJC) (((((GINA)))))))))) Happy Birthday!! Sweetie! Cancers are wonderful people!!!! Luv, Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:47:49 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden In a message dated 7/1/1999 6:23:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << I should have made it clear that I've have no web access for the last two weeks or so (for a while it was an on-again/off-again problem, not it's truly consistent). I'm working to solve the problem but I didn't think of it as an imposition to the list and if it was, I apologize. I was being conversational, too...sharing my thoughts about some of these covers. I thought that was what it was all about, too...sorry. Take care, Gina >> Gina , Don't appologize...You were perfectly in the right!!! Cat...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:08:31 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #74 There was a story about the Joni's Jazz concert in Wednesday's (June 30) issue of the Toronto Globe and Mail. The site's search engine is down, so I can't give a more specific address than the one below: www.GlobeAndMail.CA/ Perhaps it'll be up again by the time you read this. The story mentions that Joni will likely not show up for tonight's concert as she's been in Toronto for the last few weeks awaiting the birth of Kilauren's new baby. The Toronto Star reports that Joni was spotted last week having cocktails at Bistro 990 on Bay Street. Also present for happy hour was Debbie Reynolds. That would be quite a conversation to overhear! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:14:19 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden (njc) gina, you wrote: >I should have made it clear that I've have no web access for the last two >weeks or so (for a while it was an on-again/off-again problem, not >it's truly >consistent). i really must apologize. I have had web access since the day i got email, and had really forgotton that others don't. for the record, i really didn't have the info, needed it, found it, forwarded it to gina with an apology for the slightly hectoring tone of the public post. here's my public apology. patrick np - bjork - gloomy sunday ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:50:24 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni in the Park Michael exclaimed: <> And umbrellas...It's raining pretty good here in NJ - anybody know if they've delayed it a day due to rain? Bob, waiting with Michael for the tree... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:23:26 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: joni's jazz, some news couple of items 1) the summerstage website says raindate july 2, but the summerstage policy is usually rain or shine. someone at the office told me that for this show, if it's drizzling they'll go ahead, but if it's a thunder or lightning storm they'll play tomorrow night. it's raining right now, 1:30 pm. 2) holly cole has cancelled due to laryngitis. boo-hoo, i was really looking forward to her 3) jane sib's site says 'people's parties' and (as has been noted) 'strange boy'. cool. 4) i haven't talked to tanti baci, and it is a little small. i do think people should go there and look for joni fans; if the restaurant is swamped i know a larger place right around the corner with indoor/outdoor seating that will be fine. we'll leave a note at tanti. hope to see everyone tonight. dry. patrick np - reeves - in your eyes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:25:44 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Hedges (NJC) In a message dated 7/1/1999 8:59:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tbone166@juno.com writes: << To whomever suggested Michael Hedges "Torched," thank you! It's great. Terri (headed to the Black Hills on a road trip, yippee!) >> Glad you love it. Another great one is *Watching my life go by* It came out in 1985 and is amazing. He writes great lyrics and I love the way he sings. Some of the songs are eerie, when he sings the title track I can't but help think about the car accident that killed him....he was an amazing man...sad he left this world so soon and so abruptly! Cat..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:20:32 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Euro jmdlers(NJC) <> Kevin, I'm amazed! I live so close to you - Crowborough, East Sussex. I have suggested a UK JMDL meet-up before, but am just too busy at the moment to organize anything - hence the lurking. Please include me on the Brit/Euro roll! Two Joni freaks in Sussex! .....and you know, there could be more. The last time a meeting was mooted, I think Brighton was one of the venues suggested - that was when Rob Jordan was around. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:58:37 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz James wrote: > The Toronto Star reports that Joni was spotted last week having > cocktails at Bistro 990 on Bay Street. Also present for happy hour was > Debbie Reynolds. That would be quite a conversation to overhear! Talk about conjuring up some images! Your Toronto updates are great - it sounds like Joni's having a lot of fun and good times these days. I do hope she pops over to NYC for the concert. Want to join in wishing all you concert-goers a great time and no rain. It really sounds like it's going to be spectacular. Siberry performing "A Strange Boy", Chaka, et al......gee oh wow! Kakki NP: Dianne Reeves - Bridges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 19:30:33 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Globe and Mail Article Here's the article on Joni's Jazz from the Toronto Globe and Mail. Wish I could be there tonight!!!! Tribute concert honours Mitchell Range of artists fete singer's jazz period SIMON HOUPT Arts Reporter Wednesday, June 30, 1999 New York -- While many north of the 49th parallel spend Canada Day paying tribute to a bunch of dead white guys who made a nation, a couple dozen musicians will spend tomorrow night in Central Park singing the praises of amore modern Canadian hero. Joe Jackson, Chaka Khan, Jane Siberry, Holly Cole, P.M. Dawn, Duncan Sheik, and more than 20 others will take the stage for Joni's Jazz, a tribute concert designed to examine Joni Mitchell's 1970s "jazz period." Among the highlights will be a performance of the complete 1976 album, Hejira, which Rolling Stone contributing editor Anthony DeCurtis, in liner notes written for the concert, deems "an extraordinary album . . . profound," and"powerfully emotional." Mitchell herself probably won't be there, since she is anticipating the imminent birth of her grandchild. (Deb's commentary:glad to see she and Kilauren are reconciled, if there was indeed a split). "Everybody in this show is a monstrous fan," concert producer Danny Kapilian said. "We have just about all musical genres represented here -- jazz, folk, avant-garde, hip-hop, soul -- which proves how broad and deep Joni's music is. There were only two truly brilliant female artists in the 40-year history of rock and soul music, and those are Aretha Franklin and Joni Mitchell. (Deb's commentary: how many brilliant males?) "Every great artist has a peak period in their career, and for Joni it was her jazz period, the seven albums from Blue to For The Roses," (Deb's commentary: uh??) Kapilian said. In making those albums -- which also included Court and Spark, The Hissing of Summer Lawns, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Hejira and Mingus -- Mitchell drew on the talents of up-and-coming jazz musicians, including Pat Metheny, Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, and Jaco Pastorius. "The jazz period was the most obviously daring period of her career thus far," DeCurtis said. "It's something that was so unpredictable that its effects are still being felt today." The concert is the latest public recognition of Mitchell's influence on a generation of artists, a process that seems to have started with her double-Grammy win for 1994's Turbulent Indigo. Artists as varied as Prince, Paul Westerberg, Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page, and the opera singer Renee Fleming have cited Mitchell as a formative influence. Many see the current crop of female singer-songwriters, including Alanis Morissette, Jewel, Suzanne Vega, Fiona Apple and Sarah McLachlan, as direct beneficiaries of Mitchell's groundbreaking musical efforts in the 1970s. "She is finally getting attention that is long overdue, partially because of the current fashionable interest in women singer-songwriters," DeCurtis said. Since the Grammy wins, the 55-year-old Mitchell has been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame; played at the 29th anniversary celebration of Woodstock last year; toured with Van Morrison and Bob Dylan and, most recently, has been the subject of a tribute album, this spring's Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell by pianist David Lahm. She has also been the subject of a unique tribute by New York performance artist John Kelly, who plays the singer-songwriter in drag in his popular cabaret how Paved Paradise, a revue of Mitchell's music. Kelly will perform two songs at tomorrow night's tribute, although he won't be in drag. "She gave birth to that song-as-soliloquy genre," Kelly said, musing about her significance. "She gave it a depth and consistent autobiographical take. There is a lyricism in her music and a wanderlust that is very sexy and exotic, but it is the impact of the words and the music and the honesty she has that is so strong. She has spent her life trying to see what is going on in her heart." Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 00:59:01 +0100 From: Rob Jordan Subject: Re: Euro jmdlers(NJC) I'm still around - just really busy and hardly having time to read the list, let alone to post. A Brighton meeting would be really great... one of my favourite places. Rob - hello to friends on the list >The last time a meeting was mooted, I think Brighton was one of the venues >suggested - that was when Rob Jordan was around. >Jacky > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:11:03 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Another Joni and Jewel story In an effort to find alternatives to eBay, I spent part of today telephoning music stores in 3 counties inquiring about out-of-print Joni songbooks. (No such luck). When I asked one guy if they had any of the older Joni songbooks, he acted like that was the craziest thing he'd ever heard and said sniffily "Oh, no, no, no, most of HER books are no longer being published - it's not like she's JEWEL or something." No, I did not retort - it was all I could do to not burst out laughing ;-) Kakki NP: Wild Things Run Fast - Live in Tokyo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 01:35:00 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC:no internet How is it possible to have email and no Internet? Don't misunderstand-i am not doubting it I just don't know how that is possible. I use Netscape and the email comes with it. It is a browser and gets me on the Internet. I use an ISP. Without that I couldn't have Internet or Email. here there are now free ISP's. I'd be grateful if someone could explain this. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:54:23 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article > "Every great artist has a peak period in their career, and for Joni it was > her jazz period, the seven albums from Blue to For The Roses," Is this anything like running the gamut of emotions from A to B? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:23:07 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden Mr. Bob says: I love covers and especially some of > these radical interpretations (why would you try and do the tune just like > Joni when it would only provoke unfavorable comparison?)... And I ruminate: I've had a lot of thoughts rattling around my head since listening to this tape. My first reaction to the various renditions was something like 'Isn't it great that Joni's music is so rich and multi-layered that it can spark all these sometimes radically different interpretations?' But then I wondered if anybody who was not familiar with Joni's music would have the slightest idea of what her music's about from listening to these covers. Maybe somebody bought the tribute compilation just because they happened to like one or two of the artists who performed on it. What if this person liked a song or two or three and decided 'Hey, maybe I should check this Joni Mitchell out' and then went out & bought THOSL or Hejira. They might have ended up scratching their heads and saying 'Huh?' I guess what I would really like to know is what the true purpose of a tribute compilation of this type really is. Is it just a chance for diverse artists to pay tribute to another artist they admire? Is it to promote the music of the artist being paid the tribute? Or is it to promote the artists who are performing? I agree that aping Joni's versions of her songs is not something that the critics would fall all over and would really be a pointless undertaking. But some of those covers on 'Back to the Garden' are pretty radical departures from the originals. Where does it stop being a tribute and become somebody else's creation entirely? Streisand's two 'Broadway Albums' suddenly popped into my head. I loved the first one because she did fairly straightforward, honest renditions of some beautiful show tunes with just enough of her own style to make them her own but not enough to make them sound artificial or affected. I don't care for the 'Back to Broadway' album because every song ends up sounding like a 'Streisand song' and the context of some wonderful pieces of music is lost. Her ego seems to have taken control in the second. She was wise enough to set some of it aside in the first one & let the songs speak for themselves. I guess I think Joni's songs are strong enough to speak for themselves and some of the covers come dangerously close to loosing all connection with those songs. Does anybody know a tribute album of Richard Thompson's music called 'Beat the Retreat'? Travis happens to have it in his cd collection and I dug it out because I've seen Richard Thompson's name mentioned here. It has some great people on it - Bonnie Raitt, X, REM, June Tabor, Maddy Prior & Martin Carthy. I really don't know much of anything about Richard Thompson other than the fact that he wrote 'The Dimming of the Day' that Bonnie Raitt sings so beautifully on 'Longing in Their Hearts'. Can anybody give some background? Sorry to be so long-winded. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 02:27:58 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article SEVEN jazz albums between Blue and FTR? How did I miss them? Mark or Travis wrote: > > "Every great artist has a peak period in their career, and for Joni > it was > > her jazz period, the seven albums from Blue to For The Roses," > > Is this anything like running the gamut of emotions from A to B? > > Mark in Seattle - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:47:27 -0400 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: Eric Postel lost your Emails Anybody trading with me, please note: my hard drive totally crashed and I lost all Emails since Feb 1st. I do have another record of trades etc so most things are not lost but if I owe you something and you haven't heard from me by next week, please contact me. Apologies .......... Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:14:58 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Front Row Tickets! (NJC) Since I know there are several Joan Armatrading fans out here in Joniland, I am passing this message on to you from the Cheryl Wheeler mailing list that I am on, with the author of the post's permission. If anyone is interested in these tickets, please contact George at: <> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:52:12 -0500 From: Lori Subject: Re: NJC:no internet At 01:35 AM 7/2/99 +0100, you wrote: >How is it possible to have email and no Internet? Don't misunderstand-i am not >doubting it I just don't know how that is possible. >I use Netscape and the email comes with it. It is a browser and gets me on the >Internet. I use an ISP. Without that I couldn't have Internet or Email. >here there are now free ISP's. >I'd be grateful if someone could explain this. Actually email is a part of the Internet. I think the issue is that some people have access to email but not the rest of the Internet. It happens often in work settings. Their internal email software (such as Lotus Notes, or CCMail) also accepts and receives email from outside the company (extranet), but they do not have browsers installed on desk machines. Lori Allen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:58:25 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: jm of course Listneing to Coyote now, drinking a beer, feeling that at last I have found a home in this world! I can't beleive I have found a forum of people who recognize JM as one of the best songwriters of our time. (I actually considered myself "special" because at 26, I have an understaning of this woman's songs, that I feel her depth.) There is no emotion or circumstance that I can think of and not find a JM lyric to match. Please bear with me, I'm new in here, and maybe younger and more naive than most in here; I inherited my love of JM from my mother, who practically bottle fed her to me. But I only posess 2 of her albums (CD's actually) MOA and Hejira . I bought Turbulent Indigo and loved the paintings, but found the music to be angry and unsettled. Maybe I didn't listen to it enough, but I almost thought she was a "dry drunk"-a phrase used to describe an alcoholic who has given up drinking but not used any spiritual or emotional means to help alleviate the irritation of quitting. My limited exposure to her only has made me feel that she has maybe grappled with alcohol- "Just before our love got lost you said, 'I am as constant as the Northern Star' and I said, 'constantly in the darkness, where is that at, if you want me I'll be in the bar'" or-"all good dreamers pass this way someday, hiding behind bottles in dark cafes" I welcome feedback on this matter. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:35:09 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Joni and Jewel story In a message dated 7/1/1999 8:33:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << In an effort to find alternatives to eBay, I spent part of today telephoning music stores in 3 counties inquiring about out-of-print Joni songbooks. (No such luck). When I asked one guy if they had any of the older Joni songbooks, he acted like that was the craziest thing he'd ever heard and said sniffily "Oh, no, no, no, most of HER books are no longer being published - it's not like she's JEWEL or something." No, I did not retort - it was all I could do to not burst out laughing ;-) Kakki >> I think that is great that you are trying to find a way to get around the eBay thing. The prices can become outrageous! Catgirl NP: Last chance lost ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:37:10 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC:no internet In a message dated 7/1/1999 8:37:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << How is it possible to have email and no Internet? Don't misunderstand-i am not doubting it I just don't know how that is possible. I use Netscape and the email comes with it. It is a browser and gets me on the Internet. I use an ISP. Without that I couldn't have Internet or Email. here there are now free ISP's. I'd be grateful if someone could explain this. >>Over in this country you can get FREE email. One is called Juno and I think Yahoo offers free email as well. I don't know how it works but you don't pay for the internet since you are not connected to it. Cat...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:55:57 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article In a message dated 7/1/1999 9:32:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << SEVEN jazz albums between Blue and FTR? How did I miss them? Mark or Travis wrote: > > "Every great artist has a peak period in their career, and for Joni > it was > > her jazz period, the seven albums from Blue to For The Roses," > > Is this anything like running the gamut of emotions from A to B? > > Mark in Seattle >> Maybe she recorded them on MARS! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:54:50 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden In a message dated 7/1/1999 9:27:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << I guess what I would really like to know is what the true purpose of a tribute compilation of this type really is. Is it just a chance for diverse artists to pay tribute to another artist they admire? Is it to promote the music of the artist being paid the tribute? >> I just listened to some of these *so called* tribute songs. As I listened to some of them...I thought.... MY God, they are just raping that song. It sounded horrible....let's see 1. Big Yellow Taxi- Lorraine Scott_ Yikes!! What a cover. I felt I was listening to one of these light adult radio stations. I just did not care for it. To me, the idea behind the whole song was lost with this cover! 2. Black Crow- Molly Johnson- Another *YIKES*, is this an Alana Morrisette wanna be or what? 3. A Case of You- Sloan- You can't be serious! This rendition loses the whole impact of the original songs for me..yet another *YIKES*! 4. Blonde in the Bleachers-Squiddly- How HORRIBLE!!! Joni to RAP? I actully felt frightened listeing to this song! BIG YIKES!!! Now don't get me wrong some where real good...... 1.Ladies of the Canyon-Annie Lenox-need I say more. She has a gorgeous voice and does a great job with this cover!! 2. Woodstock- Fareeed Haque- A very nice acoustic rendition. I did not get all of the covers but I remember years ago like 18, I heard Nazereths version of This flight tonight and did like it. It is much better then that rap version of BITB! Catgirl ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #289 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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