From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #287 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, July 1 1999 Volume 04 : Number 287 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Mitchell Spotted in the Blue Mountains!! [John Low ] Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni Visualisation [Ginamu@aol.com] Brits (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni Visualisation [Don Rowe ] Joni Videos - Cheap! [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni Visualisation ... what about 'Furry'? [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni Visualisation [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Me new, too! ["Reuben Bell3" ] Re: Joni Visualisation ... what about 'Furry'? [Scott and Jody ] Re: Joni Visualisation ... what about 'Furry'? [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni Visualisation [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] Re: Joni Videos - Cheap! ["Beverly" ] Re: Jason's reply (is this JC, or NJC???) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Jason's reply (is this JC, or NJC???) ["Kakki" ] Re: Jason's reply (is this JC, or NJC???) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Mark's reply ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Jason's reply (is this JC, or NJC???) ["Kakki" ] Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden [Ginamu@aol.com] RE: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden ["patrick leader" ] Re: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:21:59 PDT From: John Low Subject: Joni Mitchell Spotted in the Blue Mountains!! Sorry. Just wishful thinking! The title of my post probably should have included ‘TTT’, ‘daydreaming’ and ‘pyrotechnic explosions’ but how do you put all that together in one heading? So, if you feel deceived, delete now. I won’t be offended. Kevin from the UK wrote in Digest 283: “… but Joni’s songs have so much colour, which is probably a good subject for another thread” and, as I’d been thinking about her vibrant use of colour recently, I felt I should respond with an impression that I hope you will not find too self-indulgent. I’ve only had TTT a short time but I’m really warming to it and “Love Puts On A New Face” is probably my favourite track at the moment. I was listening to it the other day while having one of those quiet moments so important in our busy late 20th century lives, sitting in the sun and watching the king parrots and rosellas squabble at the bird feeder that hangs at the edge of our verandah. It’s winter here in the Blue Mountains west of Sydney, but the bush that particular morning was electric with the brilliant colours of these birds – scarlet/green, yellow/red, crimson/blue. They burned, like the autumn leaves in Joni’s song – “countless, heatless flames!” So there I was, the sun soooo warm on my skin … listening to joni mitchell sing her voice meditating in the light of autumn skies while outside rosellas sweep through hidden corridors of leaves and burst in a wild firecracker rush down the gully such small explosions but they mark the day indelibly … and I thought how much she would love these noisy, brilliant birds. Had she lived in Australia, these “pyrotechnic explosions” of my winter would surely have found their way into her work. Ah, daydreaming, what a wonderful and pleasurable way to pass the time!! John. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:36:00 -0400 From: "Lisa Peakes" Subject: Re: (NJC)Re:gr8fuldave'sreplytoPaul'sreplytoGina'sreplytoPhylliss'sreply(NJC) Hi, Gina - Guess it was just too hot 'n' humid for me yesterday! Did this whole thread start over a racist joke? I never woulda' laughed. If that's the case, I think the other side of my post applies, and that sensitivity training is in order - fast! I don't pretend to be the public arbiter of where the line is drawn between whose point of view needs adjustment for a consensus. Seems like some folks'll never yield. I just got a kick out of Don's post, mostly in reference to the long line of one-or-two-sentence exchanges that led up to it. Maybe my post was just a terser way of phrasing his. He wins in the "incredible lightness of being" category - it made me smile, anyway. Believe me, I scroll and delete plenty on this list. But it seems like a good bunch, all in all. > > Well put - sheesh - awright awreddy with the Bickersons on this list - > > either someone's had a humorectomy, or someone else needs sensitivity > > training, and ne'er the twain shall meet. > > > > > Let me ask you something, Lisa...if you're at a party and someone tells a > racist joke, do you laugh for fear that others will think you need a > "humorectomy" ? I refuse to repress my thoughts on subjects I feel strongly > about. If you don't like the "bickering", you can always scroll and delete. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:36:21 +0100 From: Krys & Geoff Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation In message , pyramus writes >Perhaps >we should have a roll call of the Brits & Europeans. The demography >would be >interesting. Perhaps a U.K./Europe Joni mini-fest is something to think >about in the future. We seem to be way behind the Americans and Aussies >on this. I think this is a fantastic idea, and an event I would be keen to attend. I'm currently located in the West Midlands. Love and peace, Krys XX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:38:56 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? In a message dated 6/30/99 2:35:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ondulees@bc.sympatico.ca writes: << > There are much bigger, overblown > and overbearing egos to point out than theirs Ooooooo! I'd love to know who you're thinking of...I know it can't be me 'cause I'm real interestin' ;~) AND...I got a busted flat in Baton Rouge from which I never did recover >> Well, we could start with Warren Beatty, who's so vain! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:21:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? Honey McCabe shames me into confession ... > Let's ask them: Who's the mother of your egos? Please forgive me, Joni and list. I had no idea that the letter I sent her when I was 13 would have had such a devastating impact on the self-esteem & career of one of the most influential artists & performers of the 20th Century. It seemed so innocent at the time, albeit soaked in an uncontrollable wash of freshly released hormones. I'm not sure I'll ever forgive myself for penning the, by now, immortal and infernal phrase ... "Joni ... you are SOOOOOOOO cool!" What was I thinking? Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:27:03 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation In a message dated 6/29/99 9:37:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: > Raised On Robbery? I've always assumed she was a hooker. > She starts out trying to engage him in conversation, to deflect his > interest from the hockey game on TV to her, asks HIM to buy her > a bottle of gin. > Come up to my kitchen > I'll show you my best recipes > becomes > I'm up after midnight cookin' > tryin' to make my rent > > sounds like a working girl to me... > RR "I'm rough but I'm pleasin'...I was raised on robbery" - always sounded like a sales pitch to me. Just business. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:16:06 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Brits (NJC) Kevin suggested: >Perhaps >we should have a roll call of the Brits & Europeans. Well, I'll stick my hand up. Even though I'm a longtime ex-pat, I still get to walk through the "European passport" lines at Heathrow. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:41:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation - --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > I'm with you on that. She's a hooker, at least > part-time. DAVID LAHM > Hmmm ... I think we'd better clear up one thing right away, in light of the recent spate of disagreeability concerning certain sexual references and gender-biased terms ... hook'-er: Noun 1. A writer of catchy meoldies, or "hooks" I hope this will serve to mitigate any future unpleasantness ... ;-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:43:31 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Joni Videos - Cheap! Need to stock up on Joni video? Here's a link to a $10 off coupon on purchases of $15 at BigStar.com They have a small but interesting selection of Joni video in stock at good prices.... http://www.bigstar.com/coupon/index.ff?code=usatoday10&aff=15717 - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:58:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation ... what about 'Furry'? Well since we're on the subject, I can no longer resist the compulsion to rhapsodize on my favorite Joni song of all time, bar none -- "Furry Sings the Blues." If it's motion-picture time you're after, boy this is the song for you. Complete with "ghosts of the dark town society", bronze statues and limousines shining on shanty streets, 'cheap guitars, eyeshades and guns" - -- what a feast for the theatre of the mind this incredible song is! Can't you JUST see it? Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:10:21 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation ... what about 'Furry'? It must be the Sesame St. programming, because everytime I think of the title 'Furry Sings the Blues", I think of a blues wailing muppet. - -jan At 08:58 AM 6/30/99 -0700, you wrote: >Well since we're on the subject, I can no longer >resist the compulsion to rhapsodize on my favorite >Joni song of all time, bar none -- "Furry Sings the >Blues." (snip) >Don Rowe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:08:27 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation ... what about 'Furry'? In a message dated 6/30/1999 12:04:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << f it's motion-picture time you're after, boy this is the song for you. Complete with "ghosts of the dark town society", bronze statues and limousines shining on shanty streets, 'cheap guitars, eyeshades and guns" -- what a feast for the theatre of the mind this incredible song is! Can't you JUST see it? Don Rowe ________________________________________ >> Nice song choice...I always think about Ole Furry when this one comes on. It is so vivid. I always feel like I am right there with them hanging out! Cat.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:51:49 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation ... what about 'Furry'? Don said: <> Boy Don, when I saw your subject line, I thought we were back in no-man's land again...:~) << Can't you JUST see it?>> My version is black & white...anyone see this in color? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:37:41 -0500 From: Melinda Everett Subject: Re: Joni visualization . . . Furry Yes, absolutely . . . her voice is great to add to the images, too . . . I'm thinking particularly of " . . . he points a bony finger at you (sorry if I'm not totally on with the lyrics) . . . and says 'I don't like you.'" You can just picture that cross old man . . . another lyric in that song I love is "gold tooth caps"--great simile! Melinda (ghost from ages past . . . HI AGAIN everyone . . . ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:21:28 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Mark's reply >No offense to you or any of the >participants, Dave, None taken. >but I think what it *means* is that the >majority of us are sick to death of this >thread That may or may not be true, Mark, but I am not concerned about those who TRULY are "sick to death of this thread" because those people abandoned this thread long ago. They either delete it unread, or quickly scroll passed it without giving it so much as the time of day, just as I do with the threads that I am "sick to death of". The ones that concern me, Mark, are the ones who continue to follow this thread and reply to it, as you have. Those that follow it ARE interested. Those that reply to it ARE EVEN MORE interested. And whenever you have two or more people interested, there is the basis for discussion and/or debate. >and *really* wish you all would put your >whips away and leave that poor dead >horse alone. The fact that people continue to respond means that this thread is only a "poor dead horse" in your opinion, as you clearly stated. I'd like it to end as well, but it won't until the replies stop coming in, especially those directed at me personally. Do you honestly expect a person to ignore replies that are directed at him or her? Fat chance at this end. >Just my opinion OK, now I'll give mine. It is my understanding that this list took a vote and voted to accept NJC posts. Therefore no-one should complain about other's content. They have every right to complain, but in fairness they should not. I thought that Les's idea of a Joni-only list would be an ideal solution but now I can see it's failings. First of all, when he posted the numbers I was shocked to see that over 400 people are having to tailor their posts to suit the whims of less than 40 people. This, IMO, is ridiculous. Secondly, a great many NJC posts slip through anyway for whatever reasons. Third, (and this just occurred to me yesterday) I realized that I have been responding to all private e-mail, and to all public posts to the Main list, but if anyone replied to one of my posts (on either Jinbo's "ebay" thread, or Eric's "Pussy" thread) and inserted an NJC in the header, I DID NOT SEE those replies because of the list I'm on. So you see that while I prefer to be on the Joni-only list, I am missing out on any replies to posts of mine posted with NJC in the subject. This to me is unacceptable so I am re-subscribing to the main list for those reasons. It will mean more scrolling through what I consider "dead horse" subjects, but that is the price I'll have to pay to be sure I do not miss any replies to any of my posts. If anyone did reply to me on the main list only, please forward me your post for a response, as I did not see your post if it was tagged NJC. I am on 7 lists and I am convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that each and every one of them would be better off by far with a moderator filtering out all off-topic posts. Ideally, the moderator should be elected by the list members from a pool of those who put themselves forward as nominees and the vote should take place yearly. But an election is not mandatory, after-all this is Les's list and he is dictator if he chooses to be and there is squat anyone can do about it. He could appoint anyone of his choosing or do it himself. See David Grisman's list for an example of how well this works. Now let's see how things would have went with this thread under that system. First, if Eric's post had made it past the moderator due to it's marginal Joni content, it would have ended then and there. Every single reply to Eric (including mine) would have been cut. And all the replies to the replies would not have existed including this one. The result is we all would spend alot less time in front of our monitors reading off-topic posts. Now I'm hearing cries of "but that's censorship". Well, yes and no. Yes it is censorship on-list (posts would not be edited, they would either be posted in their entirety, or not) to it's betterment. But it is not censorship, in that anyone who wished to discuss something off-list could do so with whomever they wish, to their heart's content. Now I don't expect this to happen here, nor do I expect the NJC vote will be re-taken, although perhaps it is time it should. But if NJC is accepted here then a person could come on hourly and give the latest news, sports, weather and hog reports and no-one should complain about the content, although they have the right to bitch even though they should not, because NJC is accepted! Don't worry, I've no plans to give hog reports, just as I have no intention of posting ebay alerts, but I WILL defend anyone's right to do so, whether they are posting Joni stuff or Nintendo stuff, because NJC is accepted here. In closing, for the benefit of those who would prefer to see me return to lurking, I am posting this Top Ten list from the home office in Scranton, PA: The Top Ten hot-button NJC topics that are almost guaranteed to bring gdave out of lurkdom: 10. Little Feat 9. Loudon Wainwright III 8. Jefferson Airplane/Starship/Tuna 7. Bruce Hornsby 6. David Bromberg 5. The Grateful Dead 4. Posts that presume to speak for the entire list, or the majority, and in so doing, presume to speak for me. 3. Moral posturing posts that try to instill their morals on others, especially me. 2. Posts complaining about content on an NJC accepted list. And the number one hot-button NJC topics that are almost guaranteed to bring gdave out of lurkdom: 1. EBAY, EBAY, EBAY! gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:02:40 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Mark's reply (is this JC, or NJC???) Dave, You've clearly thought out your comments, and I have to agree with some of what you say. The NJC thing seems to be a continually thorny proposition. Also, the fact that replies to your posts weren't getting to you due to the joni/joni-only format is something I hadn't contemplated before. I know you only used Eric's post as an example...and as you say it was initially Joni-related. The fact that subsequent replies veered off in other directions (law, sex, bitching etc) is part and parcel of discussions bewteen a group of people. Until the latest squabbling (it's 3...no, its 4!!....shut up...it's 5!) ones, the thread threw up some interesting points about e-mail law and practices. My personal take is that by accepting NJC postings, I am letting myself in for a lot of stuff that will not be wholly related to Joni. It might sometimes be offensive, boring...or both. However, I make that decision knowingly, and in fact enjoy seeeing a good debate develop from something originally to do with Joni. Which is all very well, but now - after reading your latest post - I am wondering whether the Joni-only/Joni-plus-NJC format is satisfactory. I have no problem if ppl decide that NJC should go, though I would doubt if you could actually prevent NJC postings coming through, as we are all such a talkative and enlightened bunch of people who can get off-topic all to easily :-) The JMDL is like life.....misunderstandings, ppl too sensitive, ppl too aggressive....arguments, good times, bad times. I find this list the most human and vibrant of all the ones I've ever been part of. That's why I had to come back :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:29:40 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? Don Rowe egoinflator supreme wrote: > I'm not sure I'll ever forgive > myself for penning the, by now, immortal and infernal > phrase ... > > "Joni ... you are SOOOOOOOO cool!" > > What was I thinking? "...What was he thinking? I can't believe what I see I look in the mirror Art Garfunkel's looking back at me What was he thinking? Quick, big sombrero hat I should look on the bright side In ten years it will grow back..."-Christine Lavin That was just a bit of free association ;~) So Don, are you up for a little ego repair or have your hormones petered out? Can you fix my aaooowwwwwie? ;~D Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...What were we thinking this song has no end..."-Christine Lavin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:33:17 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > Well, we could start with Warren Beatty, who's so vain! Whosezat? Musta been before my time... Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...I just can't find that microwave life..."-Megan McDonough ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:43:12 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Me new, too! From: "Mary August" Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:12:53 -0700 Hi all, This is great - after all these years of knowing few who were interested in Joni - to suddenly have contact with a multitude of Joni appreciators - is really something. I first saw Joni at a MOA concert, then a year or two later, and last year on her northern CA stop with Dylan and Morrison. My first album was Clouds and soon after got STAS and from then on new albums were purchased ASAP. Does anyone know if there's a source for Joni song videos? Not the concerts, but the videos that come out one song at a time. Has anyone put a batch of them together on a tape(s)? Thanks for any info. Not up to saying how much Joni has meant to me over the years - so many of you have already said it. What a gift she has been. - -meca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:06:26 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation In a message dated 6/30/99 2:36:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com writes: About Furry Sings The Blues, Bob asked: > My version is black & white...anyone see this in color? > I tend to see the whole of Hejira in black and white, with the exception of Refuge Of The Roads, particularly with its reference to "gods and sungold". On the other hand, I see Clouds as very colorful. I think I am influenced by the album cover concept in my cinematic color choices when visualizing Joni's music. But then, I'm sure the mood of each record influences Joni's choice of what to choose for an album cover idea. There is one cover that I find incongruous with the contents, color-wise, and that is Night Ride Home (a cover I've never liked much). I view in my mind almost the entire NRH work in color. Cherokee Louise, Ray's Dad's Cadillac, Slouching Toward Bethlehem, Passion Play. But the most incredibly colorful and vivid images I have from NRH are from the song The Only Joy In Town. Now, I'm no Bottecelli expert so I'm only familiar with a few of his paintings. I'm not sure if Joni is referring to an actual Bottecelli but the line "I want to paint a picture, Bottecelli style, instead of Venus on a clam (an actual Bottecelli, yes?) I'd paint this flower child" indicates to me that she has a fantasy of a black boy she'd like to paint in the style of Bottecelli and then she weaves this wonderful fantasy around it. I just love it...the lyrics and music are so lovely. The Bottecelli black boy With fuchsias in his hair Is breathing in women like oxygen On the Spanish stairs I feel and see the hot sun and imagine lots of activity, flowers and colorful people everywhere, the sounds of a market place, the innocence of "this flower child". It's one of my all-time favorite Joni songs. Take care, Gina NP: Eurythmics - Revenge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:09:18 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: Me new, too! >>> Bounced Message 06/30 4:43 PM >>> Does anyone know if there's a source for Joni song videos? <<<< There are several Joni video tapes available...only one of them really has the MTV-style videos you are talking about. "Come In From The Cold" has all of the videos from Night Ride Home and Chalkmark In A Rainstorm. There are two live video performances: "Refuge of the Roads" is concert footage from the "Wild Things Run Fast" tour with Super-8 photography here and there, and the "Shadows and Light" video from 1981(?). Apparently, the re-issue of the Shadows and Light video also includes the original video shot for Hejira. Someone on the list mentioned it last week...sounds like the Hejira album cover looks. I'd love to see it sometime. Welcome to the List! Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:11:03 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation ... what about 'Furry'? Bob wrote: My version is black & white...anyone see this in color? When I was younger I used to listen to Lena Horne's, 'Beale Street Blues'. That particular record was recorded when Beale Street was in it's hey day. When I first heard 'Furry', I immediately loved the song. I agree with Bob - my version would be in black and white as well. This song is about the demise of an era and about Furry who is still alive and remembers... jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:10:24 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Me new, too! Meca says: <> Yes it is a sudden overwhelming feeling of discovered treasure, isn't it meca... Welcome! <> I'm not sure what's on the video tape trees that are in distribution here, but I'm sure the more videophile among us will tell all... Bob, me not new...me been on list year and a half...have you by chance seen the new Tarzan? :~D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:18:54 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation When listening to Hejira, all the images that come to mind are in black and white even tho I always dream in colour. Turbulent Indigo images are always very colourful but with rich dark tones. As is NRH-although this seems to be in 'blue sepia'. LOTC is a brigh sunny album and the images, manily, are the same. STAS again is dark but with colours. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:11:03 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation ... what about 'Furry'? My (current) favorite lines from Furry are Pawn shops glitter like gold tooth caps In the grey decay They chew the last few dollars off old Beale Street's carcass Amazing! CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/30/1999 12:04:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: > > << f it's motion-picture time you're after, boy this is > the song for you. Complete with "ghosts of the dark > town society", bronze statues and limousines shining > on shanty streets, 'cheap guitars, eyeshades and guns" > -- what a feast for the theatre of the mind this > incredible song is! Can't you JUST see it? > > Don Rowe > ________________________________________ >> > Nice song choice...I always think about Ole Furry when this one comes on. It > is so vivid. I always feel like I am right there with them hanging out! > Cat.... - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:31:52 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation In a message dated 6/30/99 5:26:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: > Turbulent Indigo images are always very colourful but with rich dark tones Yes, very much how I view it also, the title track in particular but also Sunny Sunday and The Magdalene Laundries, to name a few off the top of my head. Take care, Gina NP: Rhythm Of The Saints - Paul Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:34:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation - --- catman wrote: > When listening to Hejira, all the images that come > to mind are in black and white > even tho I always dream in colour. > Turbulent Indigo images are always very colourful > but with rich dark tones. As is > NRH-although this seems to be in 'blue sepia'. > LOTC is a brigh sunny album and the images, manily, > are the same. > STAS again is dark but with colours. > Yes this is so true ... a lot of the "visions" of Joni songs in my experience are directly informed by Joni's cover designs. This is particularly true for me of DJRD, HOSL and NRH. Hasn't Joni herself remarked about how she plans this intentionally? Something is rattling around in my head about that ... simon, are you there? :-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:36:13 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation Gina, in need of Ted Turner and his colorization machine, posts: <> I see Refuge (and a lot of Hejira) in B&W too but "Strange Boy" & "Blue Motel Room" are definitely color films in my head...how could one NOT see colors in a song that starts "I've got a Blue Motel room, with a blue bedspread"... <> And your description was a JOY to read as well! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:48:40 -0000 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: Joni Videos - Cheap! Phyliss enticed me by writing: >Need to stock up on Joni video? Here's a link to a $10 off coupon on >purchases of $15 at BigStar.com They have a small but interesting >selection of Joni video in stock at good prices.... >http://www.bigstar.com/coupon/index.ff?code=usatoday10&aff=15717 Thanks, Phyliss. I got "Refuge of the Roads." Sadly, they listed "Shadows and Light," and "Cafe Au Go-Go Folk Rock V. 1 ," both of which were unavailable. Wahhh!!! Anyway - another resource for good stuff. My credit card company thanks you. Bev ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Jason's reply (is this JC, or NJC???) Jason, in a very interesting and even-handed reply stated in part: >I have no problem if ppl decide that NJC >should go, Don't I wish. >though I would doubt if you could actually >prevent NJC postings coming through, You absolutely could with moderation, but I'm afraid that is an unpopular solution because it is misunderstood by so many. >as we are all such a talkative and >enlightened bunch of people who can get >off-topic all to easily :-) Not "all" are "talkative", most lurk and are, for the most part, silent, and that is a fact. Not "all" are "enlightened", IMO, but you have the off-topic point pegged square-on, IMO. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:16:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Jason's reply (is this JC, or NJC???) Dave, You've indicated in a previous post that you are on the Only-Joni list. You indicate below your preference for abolishing NJC and also indicate a preference for staying "on-topic". Questions: 1. If you are on Only-Joni, why did you send a "joke" post to the Only-Joni list that contained NJC. (I don't think your P.S. about Joni's box set counts as actual JC in that original post because the context is far removed from Joni.) 2. Why are you continuing to post many replies which contain NJC and not marking it as such for the Only-Joni list? 3. Why do you defend your right to say whatever you want on the list and at the same time call for a moderator? 4. Are you saying that we generally are so lacking in judgment, discretion and discrimination that we require a moderator? 5. Did you start this whole discussion to make some kind of larger point to us, i.e. was your original "joke" post meant to provoke the group in order to bring the whole NJC issue out again to debate with perhaps the objective of removing NJC altogether from the list? 6. Do you enjoy this list? Kakki > Jason, in a very interesting and even-handed reply stated in part: > > >I have no problem if ppl decide that NJC > >should go, > > Don't I wish. > > >though I would doubt if you could actually > >prevent NJC postings coming through, > > You absolutely could with moderation, but I'm afraid that is an > unpopular solution because it is misunderstood by so many. > > >as we are all such a talkative and > >enlightened bunch of people who can get > >off-topic all to easily :-) > > Not "all" are "talkative", most lurk and are, for the most part, silent, > and that is a fact. > > Not "all" are "enlightened", IMO, but you have the off-topic point > pegged square-on, IMO. > > gdave > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Jason's reply (is this JC, or NJC???) Kakki, I'll be happy to answer your questions. First, though, I am no longer on the Joni-only list because of the failings I mentioned previously. >1. If you are on Only-Joni, why did you >send a "joke" post to the Only-Joni list that >contained NJC. (I don't think your P.S. >about Joni's box set counts as actual JC >in that original post because the context is >far removed from Joni.) Because my "joke" post was a Reply to Eric's post which was not tagged NJC. There were many off-topic replies to Eric's post that were posted before mine and were not tagged NJC. I followed suit. Why single me out? >2. Why are you continuing to post many >replies which contain NJC and not >marking it as such for the Only-Joni list? That's easy. Because everyone I replied to posted to both lists, so naturally my replies MUST go to both lists. If someone had posted a reply to me on the Main list ONLY, I would have replied to the Main list ONLY. Same with this post. That is if I had seen such a post, say in a carbon-copy to me. There were none. >3. Why do you defend your right to say >whatever you want on the list and at the >same time call for a moderator? I call for a moderator because I believe it works best. Until such time as a moderator is in place, I defend EVERYONE's right to say whatever they like. >4. Are you saying that we generally are so >lacking in judgment, discretion and >discrimination that we require a >moderator? Well this certainly applies to SOME, IMO. But certainly not MOST. Nor did I say a moderator is "required" . It is an option that I would prefer, is all I said and nothing more. >5. Did you start this whole discussion to >make some kind of larger point to us, Certainly not. I was only responding to what was directed to me. the direction the thread took was determined entirely by the replies I responded to. >i.e. >was your original "joke" post meant to >provoke the group in order to bring the >whole NJC issue out again to debate with >perhaps the objective of removing NJC >altogether from the list? When I made the "joke" post my intentions were twofold. To make people laugh and to point out with satire the silliness of the whole genitalia discussions. I suppose I could have come on and said something to the effect as this: "Stop talking about genitals. Nobody wants to hear it." But that would be wrong because I'd be presuming to speak for the list and telling people what to post, and that is NOT my style. >6. Do you enjoy this list? Yes, very much. I hope that answers your questions sufficiently. Best, gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:27:08 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Mark's reply > 4. Posts that presume to speak for the entire list, or the majority, and > in so doing, presume to speak for me. Just to set the record straight, I did *not* and do not presume to speak for the entire list. I find people that do so just as irritating and tiresome as Dave does. Dave speculated as to what it meant when so few people expressed a negative opinion about his joke. I was merely expressing my *thoughts* as to what it meant. I happen to read pretty much everything that gets posted to this discussion list. Don't ask me why. Not every single thing is of interest to me. I guess it's compulsive. I'm afraid that if I skip something I'll somehow miss out. As a rule I don't complain about threads that don't interest me. I also believe that we all have the right to discuss whatever we please. *However*. I do *not* believe that any of us should continue to inflict petty bickering on this list long after the subject being argued about has ceased to be of interest or relevance. I also think it's very childish to continue going on & on about something just for the sake of having the last word. And I'm not mentioning *any names here* so if anyone feels this remark is directed toward yourself then I suggest you examine the reasons why you feel that way *very carefully*. And finally the only reason I sent my reply to Dave's personal email is because the easiest way for me to send a reply to the list is to hit 'Reply All' on my toolbar. It was decided by vote quite a while ago that the 'reply to' function should go to the sender of the post and not directly to the list. In this case I have deleted Dave from the cc line so he won't feel personally singled out. And also, just like Dave, I did not mark the post NJC because it was not marked that way to begin with. And *that* is *my* final word on the subject. Have at it! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:14:57 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Jason's reply (is this JC, or NJC???) Dave wrote: > Because my "joke" post was a Reply to Eric's post which was not tagged > NJC. There were many off-topic replies to Eric's post that were posted > before mine and were not tagged NJC. I followed suit. Why single me out? Becuase you are the one now sequeing into a discussion of JC, NJC, list content and moderation. > That's easy. Because everyone I replied to posted to both lists, so > naturally my replies MUST go to both lists. If someone had posted a > reply to me on the Main list ONLY, I would have replied to the Main list > ONLY. Same with this post. That is if I had seen such a post, say in a > carbon-copy to me. There were none. > I call for a moderator because I believe it works best. Until such time > as a moderator is in place, I defend EVERYONE's right to say whatever > they like. So let's all just push the envelope until an authority figure reigns us in and directs us? > Nor did I say a moderator is "required" . It is > an option that I would prefer, is all I said and nothing more. But you've implied and indicated that people will and should post anything they want unless the list is moderated. And then you strongly indicated your preference for the elimination of NJC and for a moderator. It's becomes a bit contradictory like "we will say whatever we want, unless you stop us, and then we will not say whatever we want and that is how I prefer it to be." > When I made the "joke" post my intentions were twofold. To make people > laugh and to point out with satire the silliness of the whole genitalia > discussions. According to your post regarding favorable responses, it seemed that the majority laughing were men at the expense of some of the women here. You used language which, rightly or wrongly, is interpreted by many women as degrading, demeaning and hurtful. But maybe you were not aware of that. > I suppose I could have come on and said something to the > effect as this: > "Stop talking about genitals. Nobody wants to hear it." > But that would be wrong because I'd be presuming to speak for the list > and telling people what to post, and that is NOT my style. No, you could have said "I don't want to hear it" and you would have registered your preference and no one would have presumed you were trying to speak for the list, just as those who said "I don't want to hear it" to your post were registering their personal preference. >6. Do you enjoy this list? > > Yes, very much. Good, let's enjoy it then. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:08:57 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden I was wondering if anyone has the names of the artists who cover the songs on the Back To The Garden cassette on the latest tape tree. I actually like a lot of these. I find most of them interesting and some actually quite good, creative interpretations. I think You Turn Me On (I'm A Radio) is a hoot! I hooped and hollered all the way home in my car - heeeeehaaaaaw! It reminds of Jonathan Richmond (anyone known him solo or with his band The Modern Lovers?) I love the voice of Annie Lenox. Her Ladies Of The Canyon is such a treat! Other Joni covers I like are This Flight Tonight, The Beat Of Black Wings (Sting inspired sound) and I Had A King. I did not *at all* like Free Man In Paris or Big Yellow Taxi (talk about taking the spirit out of a song, IMO). I'm lovin' my live Joni! Take care, Gina - in tape tree heaven (when the next one comes out I can say I'm on cloud 9) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:24:18 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden gina wrote: >I was wondering if anyone has the names of the artists who cover >the songs on >the Back To The Garden cassette on the latest tape tree. I actually like a >lot of these. I find most of them interesting and some actually >quite good, >creative interpretations. these were all in simon's original announcements regarding the tape trees. i thought i had saved the posts, (i'm usually an extreme packrat) but couldn't find them. so i went to www.jmdl.com. everything is there. it took me a while, going to the archives to remember where to find the trading page (it's not an obvious link from jmdl.com, due to ambiguous legality), downloading the j-card app and tt#8 file (which didn't work) and finally finding a text file of the full listing for tt8. and i'm not going to share the process. i'm not being selfish. i just really think it's cool when gina and others realize that when you say 'I was wondering', the information is probably out there and you should maybe make a little effort and look yourself. it took me a little work, but that's what this whole www thang is about, no? patrick jfp - dianne reeves - river ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden Thanks to Simon: Cassette #3 ~ C110 'BACK TO THE GARDEN' A TRIBUTE T0 JONI MITCHELL Intrepid Records (CD #N21-00016) BIG FAITH 1. Free Man In Paris SARA CRAIG 2. This Flight Tonight UNIVERSAL HONEY 3. Carey LORRAINE SCOTT 4. Big Yellow Taxi MOLLY JOHNSON 5. Black Crow ANDY STOCHANSKY 6. The Beat Of Black Wings MARTHA and THE MUFFINS 7. Shades Of Scarlett Conquering FUNKY BUMMER (featuring Anne Beadle) 8. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns HUGH MARSH, JONATHAN GOLDSMITH, ROB PILTCH & MARTIN TIELLI 9. River KURT SWINGHAMMER 10. You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio SPIRIT OF THE WEST 11. Coyote W.O.W. 12. Woodstock JENNY WHITELY 13. Night In The City SLOAN 14. A Case Of You SQUIDDLY (featuring Maria del Mar) 15. Blonde In The Bleachers JOHN CODY & MARTI JONES 16. Songs To Aging Children Come ROCKET SCIENCE (featuring Laura Hubert & Art Bergmann) 17. Refuge Of The Road **BONUS TRACKS** ANNIE LENNOX 18. Ladies Of The Canyon CLAIRE MARTIN 19. Be Cool PAT MARTINO 20. Both Sides Now JOSHUA REDMAN 21. Interlude / I Had A King PAT MARTINO 22. Both Sides Now (w/Cassandra Wilson, vocal) DAVE DOUGLAS 23. Roses Blue 24. My Old Man 25. The Same Situation Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right - ---Ginamu@aol.com wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone has the names of the artists who cover the songs on > the Back To The Garden cassette on the latest tape tree. I actually like a > lot of these. I find most of them interesting and some actually quite good, > creative interpretations. > > I think You Turn Me On (I'm A Radio) is a hoot! I hooped and hollered all > the way home in my car - heeeeehaaaaaw! It reminds of Jonathan Richmond > (anyone known him solo or with his band The Modern Lovers?) > > I love the voice of Annie Lenox. Her Ladies Of The Canyon is such a treat! > Other Joni covers I like are This Flight Tonight, The Beat Of Black Wings > (Sting inspired sound) and I Had A King. I did not *at all* like Free Man In > Paris or Big Yellow Taxi (talk about taking the spirit out of a song, IMO). > > I'm lovin' my live Joni! > > Take care, > Gina - in tape tree heaven (when the next one comes out I can say I'm on > cloud 9) > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:26:34 EDT From: Zacharyzan@aol.com Subject: Jewel Hi everyone, I'm a new Joni fan, and new to this list. I'm not even sure if this is appropriate for this list, but there was a review of Jewel in the LA Times where Joni was mentioned, and I thought some might be interested. If you go to www.latimes.com, and enter 'Joni Mitchell' in the box that says 'site features' and click on 'find', you'll be there. Zak ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:45:15 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Jewel Hi Zak, Welcome to the list! Thanks for mentioning this - I read the article yesterday and thought it was interesting. The reviewer, Robert Hilburn, (long with the L.A. Times and known to be picky) has forever been a great champion of Joni. Some of us here give Jewel a hard time but I though Hilburn's appraisal was fair, if not glowing. Kakki > Hi everyone, > I'm a new Joni fan, and new to this list. I'm not even sure if this is > appropriate for this list, but there was a review of Jewel in the LA Times > where Joni was mentioned, and I thought some might be interested. If you go > to www.latimes.com, and enter 'Joni Mitchell' in the box that says 'site > features' and click on 'find', you'll be there. > Zak > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:36:09 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Tape Tree # 8 - Back To The Garden Brian, thanks for being SO kind and sharing your info! I am not being lazy but if someone had it at their fingertips why not just share? Catgirl In a message dated 6/30/1999 11:30:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, briangross@rocketmail.com writes: << Thanks to Simon: Cassette #3 ~ C110 'BACK TO THE GARDEN' A TRIBUTE T0 JONI MITCHELL Intrepid Records (CD #N21-00016) BIG FAITH 1. Free Man In Paris SARA CRAIG 2. This Flight Tonight UNIVERSAL HONEY 3. Carey LORRAINE SCOTT 4. Big Yellow Taxi MOLLY JOHNSON 5. Black Crow ANDY STOCHANSKY 6. The Beat Of Black Wings MARTHA and THE MUFFINS 7. Shades Of Scarlett Conquering FUNKY BUMMER (featuring Anne Beadle) 8. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns HUGH MARSH, JONATHAN GOLDSMITH, ROB PILTCH & MARTIN TIELLI 9. River KURT SWINGHAMMER 10. You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio SPIRIT OF THE WEST 11. Coyote W.O.W. 12. Woodstock JENNY WHITELY 13. Night In The City SLOAN 14. A Case Of You SQUIDDLY (featuring Maria del Mar) 15. Blonde In The Bleachers JOHN CODY & MARTI JONES 16. Songs To Aging Children Come ROCKET SCIENCE (featuring Laura Hubert & Art Bergmann) 17. Refuge Of The Road **BONUS TRACKS** ANNIE LENNOX 18. Ladies Of The Canyon CLAIRE MARTIN 19. Be Cool PAT MARTINO 20. Both Sides Now JOSHUA REDMAN 21. Interlude / I Had A King PAT MARTINO 22. Both Sides Now (w/Cassandra Wilson, vocal) DAVE DOUGLAS 23. Roses Blue 24. My Old Man 25. The Same Situation Brian === >> ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #287 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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