From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #283 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, June 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 283 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- A Joni-Only Weekend ;-) ["Kakki" ] NJC: Joni on video ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni's _____ (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] NJC: Comfy chairs and, errm, pussies [Howard Wright ] Re: Clouds lyrics question [Howard Wright ] Joni Visualisation [pyramus ] Re: Joni's _____ [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] re: Jonatha (NJC) [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] Fwd: Time to end the word wars [NJC] [MDESTE1@aol.com] helpful tip from a JMDLer (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Gr8ful Dave's post [Ginamu@aol.com] A Message From Big Brother(NJC) [Don Rowe ] HOWARD THE BRIT YOUR TAPE IS GREAT [NJC] [MDESTE1@aol.com] re: Joni's 'thing' ["raymond" ] Re: Joni Visualisation [Jason Maloney ] Re: Joni Visualisation [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] Eric Taylor's Post [Lisa Molin ] Re: Eric Taylor's Post ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: A Message From Big Brother(NJC) [Jason Maloney ] They Listened! (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Joni's _____ (NJC) [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] NPR Joni For Tape Trees [michael paz ] VG-8 (NJC) [michael paz ] Re: clouds [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] Re: clouds (now Hejira) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: clouds (now Hejira) [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] Re: NPR Joni For Tape Trees [Randy Remote ] Victor's Jonatha post - [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Eric Taylor's Post [catman ] Re: NJC - What's in the stars? [catman ] Re: Joni's _____ (NJC) [catman ] NJC SLANG [catman ] Re: NPR Joni For Tape Trees ["Lisa Peakes" ] NPR + [Michael Paz ] An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? [Marksa973@aol.com] Re: Joni's 'thing' ["Helen M. Adcock" ] The internet vs. the record companies [Michael Paz ] Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? [Deb Messling ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:49:26 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: A Joni-Only Weekend ;-) I had the pleasure of hosting Leslie and Steve Mixon here over the weekend. Leslie gifted me with beautiful large, black & white photo she took of Joni and B.B. King in 1980 in Berkeley (soon to be added to my ever-growing Wall of Joni). Steve re-strung my old mandolin and it must have been glad to be revived because he made the most incredibly beautiful music pour out of it! They played their latest demo CD for me and I was incredibly impressed. Leslie is just a natural-born singer and does a spectacular version of "Comes Love". We had a nice time of soaking up Joni and music and also getting together with the Dulsons and Lindsay Moon at the dear Les Deux Cafes. (Lindsay and Leslie pointed out actresses Christine Ricci with entourage, and Alfre Woodard.) Then it was back to my place for Joni talk, videos, music and a wonderful live performance by the Mixons and the Dulsons on mandolin, dulcimer and drum. We also scoured the used book stores and record shops of Melrose and Hollywood Blvd. and Leslie has a tremendous knack for picking out the jewels and amazing finds. Today we stopped in at McCabe's Guitar Shop and picked up some songbooks. I found the Chalkmark songbook for only $15.00 (take that eBay!) McCabe's is filled with every kind of musical instrument you can think of. There is a small hallway section stocked with dulcimers, and wouldn't you know it, but we spotted three photos of Joni circa 1980s in that section, one with a very handsome Eric Andersen! Another great getting together and I feel so privileged to constantly be exposed to so many multi-talented listmembers here - it's always very inspiring. Thanks, you all! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:46:24 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: Joni on video I love the way she sings "Why Do Fools Fall In Love" in the vide0 "painting with words and music" or whatever it's called. She really swings herself into it. It seems as if she enjoys singing the covers more than singing her own tunes. For people new to Joni's catalog, it might make sense to buy the videos instead of the "hits" package and the "Shadows And Light" CD. Just a thought. Susan L.A. noted: > ...Pussy or no pussy ;~) I just love to watch her thread her threads, > walk her walk, talk her talk and sing "Why do fools fall in love?" Sing > it again man ;~) - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:51:27 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Joni's _____ (NJC) > catman wrote: > > > > I quite agree. Pussy is rather distasteful in it's slang meaning. Muff is much > > more innocuous. At the risk of prolonging a thread that many have tired of......I've lived a rather sheltered life until very recently, and a lot of these slang-words and euphemisms arouse my curiosity with regard to their origins. If anyone would care to educate me (off-line, if necessary) on the history of these terms, and why they are so-called, I'd be genuinely grateful. It wasn't until I heard Madonna's Erotica album in 1994 that I was even aware of some of the more "exotic", shall we say, methods of intimacy. Even then, I didn't really know or understand what she was talking about! > > Has any man been offended at the almost endless euphemisms for penis? Well, since you ask, I don't really care for them much, as they're all rather crude and ugly-sounding words. Personally, I don't know which one I'd prefer to be used if I were asked :-) Something more enigmatic and pleasing-to-the-ear, maybe...though I have no idea what. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:40:34 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: NJC: Comfy chairs and, errm, pussies Colin wrote: (regarding the infamous "stroking my pussy" catchphrase from "Are you being served") > You mean Mrs Slocombe? Did you know she is really an American and she > insisted on having that word bastardized so she could have her own > 'catch phrase' that Americans would understand when the show was sold to > them? Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > You meant it as a joke- confess! > Confess.... or I'll fetch.... the comfy chair! OK, one more word on this subject and I'll poke you with the soft cushion! Col. Arthur Gladstone-Volestrangler (Mrs) P.S Yes, the stuffing is all in one corner. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:01:57 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: Clouds lyrics question From: CaTGirl627@aol.com >In the songbook *Joni Mitchell Complete Vol. 1* it says.....Braiding fall >flowers and leaves in my hair. AND, In the songbook * The Music of Joni >Mitchell* from 1969, it says: Braiding fall flowers and leaves in my >hair...So for the last 22 years of life I beleaved these words to be >true. HOWEVER, on closer inspections (actually listening to the CD real >close) I have discovered to my disbeleif that the words are *wildflowers*. Songbooks are not the best source for accurate lyrics. In quite a lot of cases, it seems that the songbook lyrics are written out by the transcriber listening to the songs (rather than the correct lyrics being supplied on paper or file - that would be too easy right?!?) - so no wonder there are odd lines that appear! >In the book *Joni Mitchell: The Complete Poems and Lyrics it says" >Braiding *wildflowers* and leaves in my hair. This is what I hear too and I'm pretty sure this is the correct line. But, unfortunately, not all the lyrics from this book are correct. Many of the misprints from the original album covers/sleeves ended up in the lyrics book. Wally's site is, I believe, the most accurate source of all Joni's lyrics (it has "wild flowers" too for this line). Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:19:15 +0100 From: pyramus Subject: Joni Visualisation Hello to everyone on the list. First time posting from a long time lurker in the U.K. I've loved Joni's music for a long time now and have almost all the albums on CD. Just Mingus to go. I used to have Mingus on vinyl but it was 'borrowed'(along with some of my other albums) by my younger brother when he left home a few years ago :-) I've read with great interest and admiration many of the posts by other Jimdlers on what Joni's music means to them personally. Isn't it great how a few songs can touch the heart so forcefully ? I have many favourites, 'Otis & Marlena', 'Marcie' and 'Turbulent Indigo' just off the top of my head. I tend to gravitate towards the songs that tell a kind of story and try to visualise the images in my head; create a sort of 'image video' if you like. For instance I visualise 'Turbulent Indigo' as animated images of Vincent's and Joni's paintings flowing together and telling the story. 'Marcie' tends to be black and white photographs chronicling the life of a lonely woman. In 'Yvette in English' I see an English / American businessman having an "affaire du coeur" with a French madamoiselle. I view the story of their nervous meeting on the Rive Gauche as a film by Godard. Listening to Joni's music like this can really send you somewhere wonderful. Does anybody else visualise the songs like this? There aren't many artists I can do this to because the lyrics just aren't up to it. Elvis Costello is probably the nearest to Joni for erudite lyrics (IMO) but Joni's songs have so much colour, which is probably a good subject for another thread.. Keep well Kevin NP: Eddie Reader- 'Joke (I'm laughing)'- "D'you hear the one about the one you're now without." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Joni's _____ The following is an open letter to Eric. It contains ADULT language so if you are easily offended, leave now. Dear Eric, I was not going to respond to your post at first, but it has been eating at me like a beaver going down on a long log. Jus twhat were you thinking? I cun't believe you would use such a word in the subject line. Now we all have to trim it from our responses or the more sensitive among us will be muffed, I mean miffed. When I first saw it, I was so shocked that I took a dive from my chair. As my head went down, my face caught the desk's corner and opened a nice gash below my lips. It was then i realized your post was in bad taste. You can do better. I'm sure you're a smart gy,no? In the future dooshow more taste and try to be a more cunninglinguist. Explicitly yours, gdave (with tongue firmly in cheeks) PS: I heard Joni is putting out a new box-set next year. I bet I'm not the only one who can hardly wait to get his hands on Joni's box. NP: Hot Tuna - "What's that smell like fish, oh baby" - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:31:50 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: re: Jonatha (NJC) - --IMA.Boundary.2941750390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Victor says: << - --IMA.Boundary.2941750390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I was at the Jonatha Brooke show in Greenville and thoroughly enjoyed seeing her again for a second time in two weeks. I'm glad to know there was another JMDL'r there. I was the one sitting in the second row who requested the waltz and made the joke about the hamster chewing on the mic cable.>> That may be the first time someone's ever come from ATLANTA to GREENVILLE for a gig! :~) Your hamster line was a good one Victor...luckily that little sound snafu was late in the show and minor... <> Well, I live right around the corner from The Handlebar so next time let me know and you've got your place to stay (I may ask you to donate a copy of your CD as payment though : ~)...that goes for any of you btw, if you ever come through Greenville SC and need a place to crash or just a pit stop, let me know! << I remember thinking how sad it is that people can't trust anyone these days yet being amazed at the kindness of strangers and their willingness to extend themselves so generously to a "weary musician.">> That is a sad mindset Victor and one that I don't subscribe to...I always try to help others out and generally always find people that can pick me up when I need it. Bob, trying to get back to the garden.... - --IMA.Boundary.2941750390-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:08:45 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Time to end the word wars [NJC] - --part1_deb9e432.24a8bfcd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-06-27 23:23:34 EDT, jokefiles2-owner@listbot.com writes: << Desert Man A fellow, who had spent his whole life in the desert, decides to visit a friend in the city. He'd never seen a train or the tracks they run on. While standing in the middle of the railroad tracks one day, he hears this whistle -- Whooee da Whoee! -- but doesn't know what it is. Predictably, he's hit and is thrown to the side of the tracks. It was only a glancing blow, so he was fortunate to receive only some minor internal injuries, a few broken bones, and some bruises. After weeks in the hospital recovering, he's at his friend's house. 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Jimmy listening to Diana Krall's new cd "When I Look in Your Eyes"............great cd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:32:09 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Gr8ful Dave's post Eric's post was an error in judgment but gr8ful Dave, I found your so-called humor disparaging, offensive and yes, sexist. If you had showcased the most belittling and racist terms you could think of and called it "humor", there would be an outcry on the list and you would be labeled a racist and a bigot but because it is directed at women, you perhaps thought everyone would let it go. I will not let it go. I was hurt, offended and discouraged by your thoughtlessness. So much so, that I can't even go on a rant about it. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:43:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: A Message From Big Brother(NJC) I am watching you. You drive by my eyes and ears every day, yet you think they are blind and deaf. I assure you they are not. Who tells the guy at the fast food counter that you're waiting in the drive-in line for tacos? I do. Who is busily collecting demographics using your credit cards, and those little strips in the money that you believe are merely meant to deter counterfeiting? I am. Where will your next sheaf of junk mail come from? From me. The next time you receive a "hi.mem.sys" error message, you'll know who to thank. There are those amongst you who believe I am Bill Gates ... you are mistaken, he is my minion and slave. I am aware of your e-mail activities regarding the carbon-based unit you call SIQUOMB. You are fortunate only in that I have, as of yet, failed to decipher your pathetic codeword ... but I will. Know that any illusions of privacy you cling to merely suit my greater purpose. Big Brother *thisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajoke* _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:27:15 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: HOWARD THE BRIT YOUR TAPE IS GREAT [NJC] You didnt give me your address or your email address. Please contact me for a full recap. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:24:27 -0700 From: "raymond" Subject: re: Joni's 'thing' Terry writes: < Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation pyramus wrote: > > Hello to everyone on the list. First time posting from a long time > > lurker in the U.K. I've loved Joni's music for a long time now and > > have almost all the albums on CD. Just Mingus to go. I used to have > > Mingus on vinyl but it was 'borrowed'(along with some of my > > other albums) by my younger brother when he left home a few years ago > :-) > > I've read with great interest and admiration many of the posts by > > other Jimdlers on what Joni's music means to them personally. Isn't it > > great how a few songs can touch the heart so forcefully ? > > I have many favourites, 'Otis & Marlena', 'Marcie' and 'Turbulent > Indigo' just off > > the top of my head. I tend to gravitate towards the songs that tell a > > kind of story and try to visualise the images in my head; create a sort > > of 'image video' if you like. For instance I visualise 'Turbulent > Indigo' as > > animated images of Vincent's and Joni's paintings flowing together and > > telling the story. 'Marcie' tends to be black and white photographs > > chronicling the life of a lonely woman. In 'Yvette in English' I see an > > English / American businessman having an "affaire du coeur" with a > > French madamoiselle. I view the story of their nervous meeting on > > the Rive Gauche as a film by Godard. Listening to Joni's music like this > can really send you somewhere wonderful. Does anybody else visualise the > songs like this? Hi Kevin, Glad you've come out of lurkdom! I really enjoyed your post, and certainly over the years I've found the cinematic qualities of so many Joni songs extremely valuable. There was a time when, due to illness, I couldn't tolerate any external visual stimuli whatsoever...TV, reading, travelling...you name it. In those days, songs from CMIARS, NRH amd TI really - quite literally - stimulated my brain into visualising the situations so beautifully and evocatively described both through her lyrics and also her artful appliance of texture and rhythm. NRH, in particular, created such a strong image in my mind during those times that even now the album plays like a complete movie in my head. You mentioned Yvette In English, which is another track that has those same qulalities. The woozy, ethereal keyboard(??) sound on it always sends a tingle through my spine. Where in the UK are you, BTW? There aren't many of us Brits around on here :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:07:35 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation Kevin delurks: < I tend to gravitate towards the songs that tell a kind of story and try to visualise the images in my head; create a sort of 'image video' if you like. >> Hi Kevin, thanks for de-lurking. It IS funny how some of her songs create such vivid visuals. It would be cool to take a song and talk about how we would "shoot" it for a video, I would be interested to see the variety of images that a particular song conjures up, or maybe see that we've all been imagining the same thing! For me, "Raised on Robbery", "Coyote", "Ethiopia", "Barangrill","Morning Morgantown" are among the strongest "image-conjurers". << Elvis Costello is probably the nearest to Joni for erudite lyrics>> I'm a big fan of his too, and he's hit it big this summer with songs on both "Austin Powers" & "Notting Hill" (neither song is his though, and he looks kinda out of place in Austin Powers... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:31:02 -0400 From: Lisa Molin Subject: Eric Taylor's Post I don't know Eric Taylor personally, or anyone on the list personally, so I can't be sure what response Eric expected from his post, but for me, referring to Joni's genitalia as Pussy is completely offensive. I know this is a common street term, but in my opinion, I wish it would remain on the street and not on our list. It is interesting to note that when reference was made to the male genitalia is was accurately called Penis. Why then revert to slang to describe Joni? Afterall, isn't the vagina a place of sacred pleasure and mystery? I think all women, not just Joni deserve to have their anatomy referred to with reverence. Vagina and Penis are not the most elegant words, but I prefer them to slang. I apologize upfront and in advance to Eric if my post is too preachy and hoighty toighty - as I said I don't know Eric personally, but the language of his post just really got under my skin. I don't mean to target Eric because I've heard this word my whole life, it just hit me below the belt (so to speak) when I read it on the list today. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:58:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Eric Taylor's Post I also don't know Eric personally, but we have had off list discussions about music. I'm sure he never intended to offend everyone, just was caught off guard being informal and friendly on what is really a public list. We all forget that from time to time. He has explained and apologized in public, an honorable and humbling thing to do, so maybe we should move on. Jerry On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Lisa Molin wrote: > I don't know Eric Taylor personally, or anyone on the list personally, so I > can't be sure what response Eric expected from his post, but for me, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:55:36 -0400 From: Lisa Molin Subject: No Apology To E.T. On This Post (NJC) Sorry folks for continuing this thread, however, I think Eric Taylor may be trying to "get our goat." I say let's just move on to more interesting things. I just read another post Eric Taylor wrote: "It was funny when so many people saw a penis in the "anaconda" & "boom boom pachyderm" thread. I don't recall any men getting Victorian over it." Now if that's not trying to stir things up, then it's not hot and sticky in New York City in the summertime. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:25:28 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: A Message From Big Brother(NJC) Big Brother wrote : > > I am watching you. You drive by my eyes and ears > every day, yet you think they are blind and deaf. I > assure you they are not. Who tells the guy at the > fast food counter that you're waiting in the drive-in > line for tacos? I do. Who is busily collecting > demographics using your credit cards, and those little > strips in the money that you believe are merely meant > to deter counterfeiting? I am. Where will your next > sheaf of junk mail come from? From me. The next time > you receive a "hi.mem.sys" error message, you'll know > who to thank. There are those amongst you who believe > I am Bill Gates ... you are mistaken, he is my minion > and slave. I am aware of your e-mail activities > regarding the carbon-based unit you call SIQUOMB. You > are fortunate only in that I have, as of yet, failed > to decipher your pathetic codeword ... but I will. > Know that any illusions of privacy you cling to merely > suit my greater purpose. hey buddy! not so fast! I've been waiting for you to show yourself....just wait......I'm gonna whoop your ass! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:23:00 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: NJC - What's in the stars? Hi all! I know there are some JMDLies that are into astrology so I pose this question ... Is the date you were born your original birth date even if (for medical reasons) you had to be delivered early? The reason I ask is because my little granddaughter was born June 21st - last day of Gemini. She was due August 5th - towards the middle of Leo. Thanks kids! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:47:18 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: They Listened! (NJC) Hey "Kakki"!! I guess that memo you sent to our bosses at Reprise (about the fascination with penises on the jmdl) got passed up the line to Warner Bros. They are promoting the new Will Smith "Wild Wild West" release weekend as "Big Willie Weekend"! Your co-worker, "Steve" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:11:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Joni's _____ (NJC) Maybe I can shed a little light on this whole slang subject from Joni's perspective. Having met Joni backstage at the Jazz Fest, surprisingly we hit it off so well that she invited me back down to the French Quarter for a few drinks. WOW! Well, "her people" are down there with her too, but after a couple of hours and a few hurricanes the rest want to bar hop and dance, but Joni was more in the mood to check out some of the antique shops on Toulouse Street and asks me if I want to tag along with her. Duhhhh, love to Joan! Both of us being pretty hammered by then, we wonder into this one terrific shop and Joni spots a beautifully orate ceramic camel. The shop being very small and filled to the brim with pricey pieces, we could hardly move around without bumping into something. Wouldn't you just know it, she knocks this gorgeous camel over and breaks off the toes of the right front hoof. Joni completely loses it, half laughing, half crying. Although this was a very expensive piece, her reaction seemed peculiar and excessive, so I queried her about it. She starts in telling me a story about how Myrtle has always been really into Egyptian history and art, well before Joni had been born. Seems one day Myrtle does the chaperone thing for Joni's 7th grade class when they go on a field trip to the art museum on the occasion of a touring Egyptian exhibit. Being the buff she is on the subject, Myrtle tells the entire class, in Joni's presence, that her love for the style is so dear that her nickname for Joan is "camel toes". All the kids cracked up, but thoroughly un-hip Myrtle thought that it was because it was such a cute little nickname. For the first time ever, Victorian Myrtle felt like a great hit with the kids, but Joni was mortified in embarrassment. So here's Joni, in New Orleans, clutching these camel toes and says she can handle any other expression except "camel toes". I never had the heart to tell momma because she would have been so embarrassed about the faux pas and broken hearted that she wasn't seen by the other kids as "neat". She still calls me that at times....if she only knew....sigh, I've been laughing it all away..... Smiles Penny PS This was all a farce except for meeting Joni at the Jazz Fest and having too many hurricanes while in New Orleans. Happy Monday, ya'll! ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:57:47 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: NPR Joni For Tape Trees Pat wrote: "I didn't think of this until just now but if the 585 people on this list all went out and scoured their local NPR outlets, between us we might be able to come up with quite a bit of non-commercial, live Joni Mitchell just perfect for a tape tree!" Pat- I am on it in New Orleans and will report back to the list. How should we inquire about the programs specifically? Where does World Cafe originate? Which brings me to ask, why don't we start archiving some stuff on MP3 format on the sites? Wally? Les? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:58:16 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: VG-8 (NJC) Pat wrote: "hi all, still running way behind... a bit off topic for this thread but a couple of people have mentioned recently how they would like to own a VG8 and inferred that the price of one was prohibitive. well, I don't know electrics at all having always played acoustic, but FYI a catalog I received recently from 'musician's friend' gave a price of $1499. for an item listed as a VG-8EX/GK-2A BUNDLE which they advertised as a 'new, low' price." Pat and all- Musicians friend is a fair price, but they can be had for much less for those of you have the knack for shopping. I can also but them at wholesale and would be happy to assist anyone who is really interested. I strongly suggest you check out the VG8 site to hunt for used ones and keep up on the latest info on them. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:31:22 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: Re: clouds > I think it is cool that you have an alternate version of the LP. I > have > never seen one that does not open. The words on the LP and the CD are > the > correct ones. For some reason in the songbooks they printed *fall > flowers* > which is why I always sang that. WOW! > Catgirl I believe most of the LP reissues were in single covers (not gatefold). I remember buying my first round of Joni albums in the late 80's. Most of them were German budget reissues in single covers. It was only later that I found out that they were originally in gatefold sleeves. Some of the single sleeves have the insides of the gatefold printed on the inner sleeve, some not. Speaking of sleeves, I have a Portuguese LP of "Hejira". It's gatefold and there's also a separate 12" x 12" sheet with a photo of Joni on both sides. Did that come with all LP's? - --jussi - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:36:57 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: clouds (now Hejira) In a message dated 6/28/99 5:35:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi writes: > Speaking of sleeves, I have a Portuguese LP of "Hejira". It's gatefold > and there's also a separate 12" x 12" sheet with a photo of Joni on both > sides. Did that come with all LP's? > Wowy! That sounds neat. My copy does not contain such a separate sheet and I bought it in 1976, the year of its release. Does yours have the album sleeve photo of Joni "like that black crow flying" ? Take care, Gina CSNY - Ohio - So Far ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:47:03 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: Re: clouds (now Hejira) > > Speaking of sleeves, I have a Portuguese LP of "Hejira". It's gatefold > > and there's also a separate 12" x 12" sheet with a photo of Joni on both > > sides. Did that come with all LP's? > > > > Wowy! That sounds neat. My copy does not contain such a separate sheet and I > bought it in 1976, the year of its release. Does yours have the album sleeve > photo of Joni "like that black crow flying" ? The record is at my parents' place, so I can't check it at the moment. From what I remember the photos on the sheet were different than anywhere else on the sleeve. They were from the same 'crow skate' session. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:11:21 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NPR Joni For Tape Trees Michael asked: > Where does World Cafe originate? World Cafe originates from public radio station WXPN, Univ. of Penn, and is syndicated for broadcast by various public radio stations nationwide. Their website is http://xpn.org/sections/world_cafe.html and their email for comments and questions is worldcafe@pobox.upenn.edu They've been doing their live in the studio show for nine years, produced 8 compilation CDs, and mentioned Joni on their webpage (in passing). Joni does not to my knowledge appear on any of their CDs. > > Which brings me to ask, why don't we start archiving some stuff on MP3 > format on the sites? Wally? Les? I think this could provoke a lawsuit from the record company, who could interpret this as publishing or releasing material by an artist under contract to them. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:45:24 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Victor's Jonatha post - In a recent post by Victor re: Jonatha concert : << but this same roommate also insisted on putting me up in a hotel room(it was by then raining pretty hard outside) which really blew me away.>> Sounds a little like Joni's unreleased song......" The Hunter" ..... AKA The Good Samaritan. Lucky you didn't have to stay in the shed. There are still some nice people in the world.........although some would say that they are not very cautious. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:49:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Eric Taylor's Post > > Afterall, isn't the vagina a place of sacred pleasure and > mystery? If so, a penis is also. > I think all women, not just Joni deserve to have their anatomy > referred to with reverence. And men also. > Vagina and Penis are not the most elegant > words, but I prefer them to slang. Not elegant I agree. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:54:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC - What's in the stars? It is the day you were born that counts-it doesn't matter whtehr late or early or how. Anyway, if there is such a thing as destiny, your little girl was born on time! Heather Galli wrote: > Hi all! > > I know there are some JMDLies that are into astrology so I pose this > question ... Is the date you were born your original birth date even if > (for medical reasons) you had to be delivered early? The reason I ask is > because my little granddaughter was born June 21st - last day of Gemini. > She was due August 5th - towards the middle of Leo. > > Thanks kids! > > Heather - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:57:17 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni's _____ (NJC) I enjoyed this but am confused. can't see the relationship with slang(at least not in the context that has been discussed for a few days) and am now wondering if it is made up having read the ps. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:10:06 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC SLANG Whilst I have been more than surprised at the hostility shown to those people who have used slang terms for female genitalia, I can understand the objections. Perhaps it could be a new JMDL rule that no-one refers to genitalia by names other than penis or vagina. Perhaps also we can make sure we refer to women and men over the age of 18 as women and men and not girls and boys. And homosexuals as homosexuals and not by any other name, including gay or lesbian. And heterosexuals as heterosexuals and not starights or breeders. And people of colour as people of colour since terms differ greatly between people of colour and this is the least likely to offend. And children as children rather than kids since they are not baby goats. Oh and republicans as republicans and liberals as liberals and democrats as democrats rather than right wing fascists, bleeding hearts and pinkos. And we should never refer to people as fat or skinny but rather as people who are either too short or too tall for their weight. But maybe short and tall shouldn't be used either. On the other hand we could all just get our shit together, take responsibilty for ourselves and our feelings and our interpretations and stop blaming others for how we percieve things and consequently how we feel. Fat/slim chance of that! - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:29:20 -0400 From: "Lisa Peakes" Subject: Re: NPR Joni For Tape Trees <> National Public Radio, or Public Radio International distributes it - (you were probably wondering what city it originates from!) but.....listener contributions make up for over 55 percent of our fundraising budget at Vermont Public Radio - we have to keep treats as enticement to get the funds we depend on. It would be really bad form for someone within Public Radio to distribute any such CD except for as a promotional item. <> It's a shaky call on this, isn't it? Does circulation on MP3 mean that an artist doesn't get compensated for her product? I can appreciate the desire to mix 'n' match and collect 'em all, but I've heard the buzz that artists are getting stiffed because of this type of distribution. Am I off base? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:27:57 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: NPR + I wrote: > Which brings me to ask, why don't we start archiving some stuff on MP3 > format on the sites? Wally? Les? then Randy wrote: "I think this could provoke a lawsuit from the record company, who could interpret this as publishing or releasing material by an artist under contract to them." Thanks for the info Randy I have already contacted a couple of the NPR stations here in Louisiana, and unfortunately none archive any of the World Cafe stuff. They rotate dats of the current programs. In regards to the MP3 issue I was not talking of putting anything up that is commercially available and I support getting clearance for anything we might put up. Which makes me wonder about how many people post here from copyrighted publications. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:45:36 EDT From: Marksa973@aol.com Subject: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? The July 5th issue of The New Yorker has the following item on the upcoming "Joni's Jazz" concert in Central Park: "With an ego as big as Malibu Beach and a tiresome persecution complex, Joni Mitchell makes it tough to love her these days. Her work speaks for itself, though, particularly the sixties and seventies albums that cut a glorious swath, from confessional folk to sleek pop to jazz-inflected art songs. Mitchell went fully electric much later than Dylan, taking the plunge with "Court and Spark" in 1974. The albums that followed, including "The Hissing of Summer Lawns," "Hejira" (featuring brilliant work from bassist Jaco Pastorius), "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter," and "Mingus," each with a deeply personal poetic voice and a broadening of musical boundaries, have turned out to be some of her most influential." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:10:40 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni's 'thing' >Terry writes: ><he picked up the scent from my p** or c***. She's blunt but she has >class. Cathy wrote: >So does my husband! He just said, "has it occurred to anybody she >might be talking about her perfume?" That's funny, it's what I originally thought (and still do) even after all the discussion! I also interpret it as meaning that "Coyote" is a "physical" person as opposed to an "emotional" or "spiritual" person, therefore his actions relate to the tactile - "picks up my scent on his fingers, while he's watching the waitresses legs" as opposed to (for example) "senses me watching him closely, while he's watching the waitresses legs"... Just my 2 cents worth. Helen NP - Janis Joplin - Call On Me (boxed set) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:15:21 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: The internet vs. the record companies Lisa wrote: " It's a shaky call on this, isn't it? Does circulation on MP3 mean that an artist doesn't get compensated for her product? I can appreciate the desire to mix 'n' match and collect 'em all, but I've heard the buzz that artists are getting stiffed because of this type of distribution. Am I off base?" Hi Lisa Thanks for the response! From what I hear, artist's are pissing off the record companies for their involvement with this technology. But frankly, the record companies are in trouble because the record biz is changing for the better and artists will benefit more form the current technology and the sheer possibilities of the internet. I have been planning the development of a record company here in New Orleans, so I can work with two artists here locally and I have really been studying the biz and how it is changing so fast. It is a scary proposition to go into a biz like this now. Record labels better wake up if they want to keep pace with what's happening. So many artists out there support live shows being taped and distributed through MP3. It creates more interest in the bands and most people (like myself) will buy everything that comes out commercially on an artist that I like (at least for collection purposes alone). Joni is a perfect case for going solo as far as the biz is concerned. For someone who has had so much trouble with the industry as a whole, she could benefit from the love Wally and Les have showed her, with a whole world ( the jmdl and the thousands of others who hit the sites looking for info on Joni ) to buy her stuff directly from the source. Love to all, Michael NP-My first ever burned CD (Joni of course) Man From Mars-TTT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:20:18 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation Bob wrote: > Hi Kevin, thanks for de-lurking. It IS funny how some of her > songs create such vivid visuals. It would be cool to take a > song and talk about how we would "shoot" it for a video, I > would be interested to see the variety of images that a > particular song conjures up, or maybe see that we've all been > imagining the same thing! For me, "Raised on Robbery", > "Coyote", "Ethiopia", "Barangrill","Morning Morgantown" are > among the strongest "image-conjurers". What a great thread! A few songs leap to mind: Raised on Robbery - definitely - I can see the guy sitting bored in a bar, then this obnoxious woman throws herself at him!) Two Grey Rooms - but I've seen the video, so it doesn't count! Car On A Hill - picturing a woman sitting by the window, peeking out every time a car goes past Amelia - just Joni driving across the desert in a huge convertible at sunset, with images of Amelia Earhart superimposed above her head! Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire - a dirty, rundown apartment with a filthy sink, and rubbish everywhere Sunny Sunday - I can picture the house from "A Streetcar Named Desire"! The Last Time I Saw Richard - Joni sitting in a bar looking depressed/disappointed (her favourite theme!) with flashbacks of her and "Richard" when they were young, interposed with shots of an overweight, bored husband in the suburbs! I could go on forever on this thread, but it's one of the reasons Joni's songs appeal. I get a little "mind-movie" with each one! And already perfectly captured - Night Ride Home. One of my favourite music videos! Helen NP - Janis Joplin - Bye, Bye Baby (boxed set) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:06:44 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? Oh, dear. First they trash Joni for her "persecution complex." Then they go on, with no sense of irony whatsoever, to praise those albums that were criticized to the point of persecution when they were originally released. What's the only saying? Even paranoiacs can have real enemies. At 08:45 PM 6/28/99 EDT, you wrote: >"With an ego as big as Malibu Beach and a tiresome persecution complex, > The albums that followed, including "The Hissing >of Summer Lawns," "Hejira" (featuring brilliant work from bassist Jaco >Pastorius), "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter," and "Mingus," each with a deeply >personal poetic voice Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #283 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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