From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #281 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, June 27 1999 Volume 04 : Number 281 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Pussycats [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Joni's.....hmm....whatever :-) [catman ] Re: Joni's _____ [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] Re: E-mail @ Work and Privacy Was:Re: Joni (ahem) titles ["Helen M. Adcoc] Clouds questions ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: Jonatha In the Sticks - Long (SJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Joni (ahem) titles (now NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] NJC: Birthday Alert [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Clouds questions [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Clouds questions [Vince Lavieri ] Jonatha Inteview/Music Sites (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Joni's? ____ "Sweet Sucker Dance (Abundance And Decline)" [simon@icu.com] Re: Clouds questions [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni (ahem) titles (now NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Clouds questions [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Clouds questions [Ginamu@aol.com] re:clouds ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: Joni's _____ [Ginamu@aol.com] Political songs & singers. [John Low ] Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) ["Gene Mock" ] jonatha (NJC) [Clancyhart@aol.com] Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) [Susan Chaloner ] Re: jonatha (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: jonatha (NJC) ["Beverly" ] Re: jonatha (NJC) ["Beverly" ] Re: Joni's _____ (NJC) ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) [Susan Chaloner ] Re: joni vs johnny rotten NJC [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Joni's [censored] NJC ["Eric Taylor" ] Joni's cats............literally! [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Joni's _____ (NJC) ["Beverly" ] Re: Joni (ahem) titles ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Joni's THING ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Clouds questions [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: clouds [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Hissing Demo [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:34:46 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Joni's Pussycats TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > Am I the only one here who finds the title of this thread incredibly > objectionable? I must be getting old... > > Terry No, Terry, you are not. I find it objectionable from the standpoint of class, not of obscenity, but it is classless, IMHO, rather 7th grade boyish. And the only pussy that I see on a cover is on Taming the Tiger, where the cat's legs are spread but not to the viewer. And there is the cat on the back of that cover, arched. Now there may be other cats on other covers but I do not intend to look for them all now. I am sure that others will point them out. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:46:49 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni's.....hmm....whatever :-) Deb Messling wrote: > Okay, am I the only one who immediately assumed the post would be about > cats???? No, Deb, you are not. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:58:27 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Joni (ahem) titles ALL emails are retrivable, however many yearsb old and trashed, and one should never say anything in an email that you don't want to show up in court. This has been a boon is workplace sexual harrassment cases, allowing proof to be obtained that people thought was trashed, and in criminal law, ie the anti-trust action against Microsoft. For people who can afford it, it is also a nasty device to prove fault in divorce cases, or as in Michigan where we have no-fault divorce but fault may be factor in a property settlement, a nasty tool. Right or wrong, that is the way of it. And I always thought that Big Brother was a part of the Holding Company, who back up Janis Joplin (Janis is with Joni, and Aretha, in my heart). Also an ACLU member and a legal assistant by day but (the Rev) Vince none the less "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" wrote: > I'm a little surprised, especially since you work for a law firm. The > interpretation here is that just because the firm may provide you with an > account and the equipment does not mean they have access to your personal > communications, much like they have no right to tape your phone calls that > are personal. The ruling here is that if it business related then they are > the firms right to read and store. If not, they don't. Of course not > allowing anything of a non business nature is there right, but I don't > believe that gives them the right to read all of your e-mail without your > permission. Smells like Big Brother to me. > > Jerry, a proud card carrying ACLU member > > On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Kakki wrote: > > > Bob wrote: > > > > > A lot of us do get these messages at work, Michael Y kindly asked us to > > keep that in mind > > > when titling posts. I'm not a prude by any means, but I do try to consider > > > the community-at-large sometimes... > > > > A few months ago my law firm did a surprise surveillance check of everyone's > > saved email. Apparently they had some consultants come in who used a > > program that went through the system and automatically picked out titles > > based on key words that may indicate "suspect" or "inappropriate" content. > > Those emails were then automatically retrieved from the system for further > > perusal. They notified everyone of this *after* the fact, so feeling > > paranoid I went back through my emails to see what was in there. A couple > > of joke posts that were probably not exactly "proper" had been left in > > unscathed. But one post had been red-flagged and extracted - it was from a > > fellow listmember and titled "Photos of Joni". > > > > Kakki > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Re: Joni's _____ Gina wrote: <> We have the same taste, Gina dear! I've had that above mentioned print, "Charlie Down in Mexico" framed and hanging in my living room since 1980. I'll will it to you, hopefully a long time from now.....;-) Penny ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:57:58 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: E-mail @ Work and Privacy Was:Re: Joni (ahem) titles >I don't know about the legality of this, but I seem to recall our H/R >department saying that the e-mail issue was the same as one's work locker >issue. I.E. that their contents are always subject to inspection. I work for a local government body, and all staff have access to external email and Internet. We monitor web access, ie. the web addresses people go to are recorded, and monitored on a random basis - I'm not sure about email. But as a member of the IS section, I know that the position of the company is that since the hardware and software are owned by the company (not the employee), and the Internet access costs money each time it is accessed, then they "own" the data held within. They describe it better by saying that any mail received or sent should be able to be read by any person in the organisation without offense. This seems entirely reasonable to me - after all, people are at work to work, not to read personal mail, or visit their favourite web sites! Having said that though, I do access my mail at home in my "quiet" periods (when I get them), and occasionally I'll surf the Web (usually www.jonimitchell.com or www.jmdl.com !) in my lunchhour, and as long as it's not an excessive amount of time, there's no problem. I think it gets tricky when you get into the issue of "personal privacy". Our policy is also that a certain amount of personal files may be stored on the work servers or PC's, but people must be aware that these may be accessed/checked at any time, if space becomes an issue, and the time spent on these files must not interfere with work tasks. I guess it's difficult to draw a line between good business practice and invasion of privacy, but I still think work is work, and personal time is personal time! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 08:04:47 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: Clouds questions Hello Listers, As I was looking through my new record collection I noticed somethings on the back of Clouds that I am sure you guys can help me out with: Comparing the lyrics on the bak of the album and the inside of my CD: Album: "sunny day, braiding brown flowers and leaves in my hair" CD: "sunny day, braiding wild flowers and leaves in my hair" (And all along I thought she sang "fall flowers") So, I'm sure this has been brought up before - any reasons for this - did the lyrics just change over time, so they were printed differently on the CD cover?? ALSO, who is Sadie J McKee? Is there an interesting story as to why this beautiful album was dedicated to her? - - Ange, (always wondering) Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:22:39 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonatha In the Sticks - Long (SJC) In a message dated 6/26/99 2:49:02 PM Central Daylight Time, TheFishPond@prodigy.net writes: << Sorry for all the detail, but it was just so incredible to have Jonatha in my tourist town, so near and so graceful and beautiful. >> Wow Bev, great story, PLEASE never apologize for details, they're what add color to the canvas of this list...I got chills having just experienced what you did...I felt like I was watching Joni at the Second Fret, getting a chance to see a talent before they become huge. Bottom Line: If Jonatha comes to your town, DO NOT miss her! Bob NP: "A Case of You" from Hawaii '73 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:51:15 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Joni (ahem) titles (now NJC) Again, as an ACLUer, I point out all emails are retrievable, even if you trashed them in 1996 or whenever. Is this bad? Not if you want to prove that someone was indeed sexually harassed or discriminated against in the workplace. It is under the same category of discoverable material as paper. An excuse for invasion of privacy, especially by employers? Certainly, and well abused. Case law is rather clear. I mean, after all, cellular calls can be intercepted without warrant, and it is not so hard to get a warrant to tap your phone. And if you spend all day at work on the JMDL, and your employer, a tax funded agency, wishes to fire you for not working, they need proof. If a drug company conspires to put a drug on the market that does serious harm (remember thalidomide -spelling? - from the early 60s) would we not to get the private email to prove what they did conspire to do in private. Where does it end? As I said, the abuses are common, and I think in Kakki's example, it was a tremendous invasion of privacy and I would be outraged; I get angry when my employer looks at my screen! Unless he has reason to suspect that I am not working, then don't invade my privacy. But legally, he has the right... which is why I do all my internet stuff at home. The solution is to have case law which establishes the right to privacy unless there is clear and convincing reason to breech that privacy. But in your state, whatever it is, I am sure that is like in Michigan: judges campaign as if they are running for Prosecutor ('tough on....") or even worse, head of the star (Starr?) chamber. On the defense attorney list of which I am also a member, there is much discussion about backing civil liberties candidates. I expect that to come to naught. And then ... political plug... the leading candidate for the GOP nomination is W. Bush , the son of the man who attacked Michael Dukakis for being "a card carrying member of the ACLU" in 1988. As if that were evil. And look who Bush appointed to the courts. Clinton's nominees for federal judgeships are generally more civil liberties conscious than the previous 12 years and he can't get the nominations through the GOP Senate. I am not per se attacking Republicans here, but it does a make a difference who you vote for... and that you vote, and many factors must go into our decision making. I know that some on here will disagree with my political views, and with your and my ACLU membership; fine, as long as we keep the issue as the issue and not get personal. I will now shut up and I don't think I will say more on this thread whatever ... but... it is never cut and dried. Many things must be weighed in the balance. Even Joni errs where in "Sex Kills" she slams the lawyers... maybe the corporate/entertinment lawyers that she encounters are sleaze, and the Rodney King/OJ courtroom dramas were outrageous, (IMHO: the cops, in the King case, guilty; OJ, guilty - and it was civil law that nailed OJ, and federal civil rights laws that nailed the King cop-beaters, and that was the same county that nailed the guy who shot my cousin, a cop... never cut and dried) but the lawyers of the ACLU and the defense bar are often our last protection against the encroachment of our civil liberties. enough. (the Rev) Vince "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" wrote: > > Jerry, I don't know the intricacies of the law on this but I think the > > general concept is that because they own the equipment and it is situated in > > their firm, to be used for business purposes, they have a right to review > > the contents. Also, because of the nature of legal work, there could be > > They may think that, but I think they are wrong. That is similar logic to > we own the bus so if you want to ride it it has to be in the back. Or we > own the counter so you have to sit there. Or it is our company and we > don't have to hire pregnant women. The list goes on and it always amazes > me how easily we Americans give up some of our basic rights. > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:55:04 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC: Birthday Alert Tomorrow is Catgirl's birthday (what, maybe 19 now?) and everyone tell her Happy Birthday! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:49:23 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds questions In a message dated 6/26/99 6:07:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ATAKATS@ninenet.com.au writes: << CD: "sunny day, braiding wild flowers and leaves in my hair" >> This is how I've always heard it. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:13:43 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Clouds questions "Takats, Angela" wrote: > Hello Listers, > > As I was looking through my new record collection I noticed somethings on > the back of Clouds that I am sure you guys can help me out with: > > Comparing the lyrics on the bak of the album and the inside of my CD: > > Album: "sunny day, braiding brown flowers and leaves in my hair" > CD: "sunny day, braiding wild flowers and leaves in my hair" > (And all along I thought she sang "fall flowers") > On my album, bought new when it was new, says "wild flowers" in "I Don;t Know Where I Stand" which was the first MY song off that album. I just checked it to be sure. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:17:55 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Jonatha Inteview/Music Sites (NJC) For you Jonatha fans, here's two links for you to enjoy. Click here: Michigan Live Acoustic Cafe Jonatha Brooke Pr... and Click here: Michigan Live Acoustic Cafe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:04:18 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Joni's? ____ "Sweet Sucker Dance (Abundance And Decline)" Eric Taylor ~ displaying bad taste and less judgement, writes ... >_______________________________________________________________________ >Subject: Joni's Pussy > >I'm up all night in my studio & just checked into the JMDL. Yes the >>penis-on-Joni-covers debate is SO old & tired! But what amazes me is >that, while many are looking at Joni's wrist on Hejira as some sort of >phallic symbol, the Mingus cover prominently displays the real thing & >few seem to see it. The Mingus cover also contains a nude self-portrait >of Joni spread eagle. > >E.T. >_______________________________________________________________________ Oh really?! gimme-a-break. assuming the observation were correct, what makes you think it's Joni? Eric, perhaps, this another case of seeing what you want to see. perhaps, you have a vivid imagination or prurient interests. listen, i'm no prude and i DON'T believe in censorship or restricting other peoples' right to express themselves in their own way. However i DO believe there are instances when restraint and 'good taste' might lead one to choose a less onerous word it's one thing to use the word 'pussy' as double entendre when actually referring to cats. it's another matter entirely when you *choose* to use this word in all of its offensiveness. and make No! mistake about it, some women as well as some men find this term offensive. objectifying women *as* Body Parts is not what i would have expected from you. FTR: according to the book 'STARART' the painting on the cover of the 'Mingus' album is titled: "Sweet Sucker Dance (Abundance And Decline)" 1974, latex & gesso, 60" x 72" here is Joni's description ... "This painting was like a mystical process, it went through a lot of changes. It was painted over a period of about four years. First, there was a hostile male figure on the left hand side who was like a pure woman hater. After a while I couldn't stand to look at it so I turned him into a conga player and i put this flute player in with him but they didn't seem to have any relationship. So I painted out the conga drums and as the paint flowed a woman dancing began to appear. So now there was a strange relationship between this very calm musician with the deluge of water coming down on him, and this dancing figure which seemed to be eminating out of fire, with this unexplainable haunted look on her face. Then I noticed there was a trigram, half of a hexagram from the 'I Ching', actually painted in the upper right hand corner. So I began to look for the other half of the hexagram, thinking if there was a whole hexagram I could look it up in the 'I Ching' and it would explain the painting. In The 'I Ching', the combination of water pushing down on fire turned out to be the change called 'Abundance'. It explained that in a time of abundance, at the peak of things being bountiful, prematurely you would recognize that you were at the peak, and once you were cogniscent of it you would already set your course of change to decline. In this painting, the figure is dancing at her fullest and yet her face is haunted, which to me represents the moment of change. When you're having such a good time or when you're so much in love, you suddenly know you can't stay there." the painting on the back cover**, it's titled: "Charlie Down In Mexico" 1978, acrylic, 12" x 16" here is Joni's description ... "'Charlie Down In Mexico' was done from a photograph taken by Sue Graham. The study itself in shadows and shapes was interesting to me and that big sombrero on Charlie added an air of festivity to it. Even though he was paralyzed and given to moodiness, he was still capable of enjoying things to a tremendous fullness. So I was compelled to paint this to balance out the other vision of him that contains the wrestling with fear and death." **the painting 'Charlie Down In Mexico' is on the back of the 'original' album and the recent HDCD re-issue CD. the first CD editions of the "Mingus" album used the front cover painting on the back CD Jewel-box insert. they put the painting inside on the last page of the CD booklet and deleted the 'legend' _In Memory Of Charles Mingus_ 1922 - 1979 the HDCD re-issue also restores the other two paintings missing from the original CD release. - ------- simon - ------- Remember, if you don't stand for something ... you'll go for anything. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:07:37 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds questions In a message dated 6/26/1999 6:07:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ATAKATS@ninenet.com.au writes: << Album: "sunny day, braiding brown flowers and leaves in my hair" CD: "sunny day, braiding wild flowers and leaves in my hair" (And all along I thought she sang "fall flowers") >> You are on the money. Joni does sing *braiding FALL flowers and leaves in my hair* ALSO, who is Sadie J McKee? Is there an interesting story as to why this beautiful album was dedicated to her? I do beleive that Sadie McKee is her grandmother on her fathers side...right folks? Help me out here. Her grandmother played a musical instrument. It is in the Hinton book so I don't know if it is credible or not! Anyone, anyone??? Catgirl..going through the garbage and the flowers for that Hinton book..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:54:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni (ahem) titles (now NJC) Vince wrote: >I point out all emails are retrievable, even if you trashed them in 1996 or > whenever. Is this bad? Not if you want to prove that someone was indeed sexually harassed or > discriminated against in the workplace. It is under the same category of discoverable material as > paper. An excuse for invasion of privacy, especially by employers? Certainly, and well abused. > Case law is rather clear. Yes, the courts have upheld the rights of employers to do this. So, unless the case law evolves in the other direction, this is the way it is for the time being. Part of the concerns of businesses is that the material is discoverable, that it, it can be subpoened under law. Emails are legally considered the same as a document. > As I said, the abuses are common, and I > think in Kakki's example, it was a tremendous invasion of privacy and I would be outraged; I get > angry when my employer looks at my screen! Unless he has reason to suspect that I am not >working, then don't invade my privacy. But legally, he has the right... which is why I do all my >internet stuff at home. I was not really outraged because the employees had been given fair warning a number of times. And everyone's email was searched, not just mine. I don't know, but I strongly suspect they had a good, overriding reason to have conducted this search - perhaps records had been subpoened and they wanted to see what was in the system. I know for a fact it wasn't done merely to get the goods on certain employees or to function like Big Brother. Although I was wondering if they'd question me about the "Joni photos" and was only anticipating benig a bit embarrassed at having to admit to being a Joni nerd ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:09:06 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Clouds questions The Birthday Catgirl writes, on her birthday eve, > Joni does sing *braiding FALL flowers and leaves in my > hair* I disagree, oh nativity feline one! No one in human history, recorded or unrecorded, can claim to have listened to that song as many times as I have, and she sings "wild flowers." This is a song for all seasons. > > ALSO, who is Sadie J McKee? Is there an interesting story as to why this > beautiful album was dedicated to her? > > I do beleive that Sadie McKee is her grandmother on her fathers side...right > folks? Help me out here. Her grandmother played a musical instrument. It > is in the Hinton book so I don't know if it is credible or not! Anyone, > anyone??? This one, I do not know. (Write that down; not many times I confess to not knowing something!) But for tomorrow, only, it can be fall flowers for our wonderful catgirl! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:15:14 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds questions In a message dated 6/26/99 6:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ATAKATS@ninenet.com.au writes: > Comparing the lyrics on the bak of the album and the inside of my CD: > > Album: "sunny day, braiding brown flowers and leaves in my hair" > CD: "sunny day, braiding wild flowers and leaves in my hair" > (And all along I thought she sang "fall flowers") > > So, I'm sure this has been brought up before - any reasons for this - did > the lyrics just change over time, so they were printed differently on the CD > cover?? I don't mean to be knit-picky, I'm just trying to get at something: my Clouds LP does not have lyrics on the back, as you mention above and my CD copy does not have lyrics on the front. The lyrics are inside the album jacket foldout and inside the CD booklet respectively. Were you being exact in your locations of where the lyrics are? I'm just wondering if there are issues of both the CD and the LP which have snippets of lyrics on the front and back. It's probably a dumb question... Anyway, both my LP and my CD have printed lyrics which read: "...braiding wild flowers and leaves in my hair..." Take care, Gina NP: Phish - Hoist ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:25:47 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: re:clouds Gina writes: << my Clouds LP does not have lyrics on the back, as you mention above and my CD copy does not have lyrics on the front. The lyrics are inside the album jacket foldout and inside the CD booklet respectively. Were you being exact in your locations of where the lyrics are? I'm just wondering if there are issues of both the CD and the LP which have snippets of lyrics on the front and back. It's probably a dumb question...>> Sorry listers, I didn't make this one very clear....I didn't even mention that the lyrics came from the song - "I don't know where I stand" on Clouds. (where was my head?) Okay - my Clouds LP has lyrics on the BACK, as there is no jacket fold out on my copy.....the mystery unfolds? could it be the word "brown" was printed on these "non-fold-out" LP copies?? anyone anyone? And yes Gina, the lyrics in regards to the Clouds CD were inside the booklet..sorry for not making that clearer. Ange Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:55:11 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's _____ In a message dated 6/26/99 11:47:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > Oh y'all would see Mother Theresa in a Bun! > I think it would entirely depend upon whose buns I was I was looking at. ; } Gina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:00:34 PDT From: John Low Subject: Political songs & singers. Re recent discussion of 'political' singers and songs. It seems to me that the 'political' or 'protest' songs which survive as more than mementos of their time are those where the 'message' is presented less by 'in-your-face' sloganeering (no matter how effective at the time) and more by a subtle 'hiding' of it within the overall impact of the song. While Joni Mitchell may not be known as a 'political' or 'protest' singer, her work IMO has always possessed a powerfully implicit argument for a more civilised and humane society. And that is 'political' in the most enduring and relevant sense! Cheers, John. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:38:01 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) She takes great pictures too! gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark or Travis To: Kakki ; ; Kakki Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) > > Kakki > > > > NP: Steve Mixon live on mandolin accompanied by the beautiful vocal > talents > > of Ms. Leslie > > > > I second this! Leslie is very talented and she sure can sing a mean > blues....or torcher....or what have you. She's great! > > Mark in Seattle > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:29:05 EDT From: Clancyhart@aol.com Subject: jonatha (NJC) okay, my curiosity has been piqued--i don't own any jonatha brooke. what should i buy first? amy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:48:39 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) Kakki wrote: > Aiyy, I did not mean to make this more eliptical than it already is. "[I] > don't know the system and [I] don't understand" - that's why I wondered if > others here knew about it and could comment. Seems a few of us are tearing up the catnip. Have you come up with anything Deborah? As you know, I don't know much but I can comment anyway ;~D Sounds to me like the Canada Geese in Chevron flight are honkin n' hootin' over a construction zone...Will the architect please stand up and answer the question so we can let it go? How does one go about singing with closed vocal chords? > NP: Steve Mixon live on mandolin accompanied by the beautiful vocal talents > of Ms. Leslie I can't believe Leslie doesn't know the answer! I could probably get it out of her but I ain't there...I say tickle her 'till she surrenders and 'fesses ;~D Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-Like Sir Love-a-lot at the catnip ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:10:01 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) Mark or Travis wrote: > I second this! Leslie is very talented and she sure can sing a mean > blues....or torcher....or what have you. She's great! No doubt! I can hardly wait for you to finance Leslie's all expenses paid first class jig to my leaning money pit so I can hear her torch n' twang! Put that green stuff where your mouth is buddy ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-Thinking about discontinuing the African Gold and letting my hair go to dreads but remembering Joni's eighties doo and the decade it took to grow out...Does this make sense? Hoot and it will ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:15:24 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: jonatha (NJC) In a message dated 6/26/99 11:33:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Clancyhart@aol.com writes: << okay, my curiosity has been piqued--i don't own any jonatha brooke. what should i buy first? >> Ten Cent Wings is the first one I bought, and it's still my favorite. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:20:49 -0000 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: jonatha (NJC) - -----Original Message----- From: Clancyhart@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:34 AM Subject: jonatha (NJC) Amy wrote, >okay, my curiosity has been piqued--i don't own any jonatha brooke. what >should i buy first? IMHO, I'd get "Jonatha Brooke Live" first. There's a variety of cuts from several of her previous CD's. Then I would try something with "The Story..." maybe "Angel in the House," or "Grace in Gravity," the latter being my favorite. Then "Plumb" or "10 Cent Wings." You can't go wrong. They are all wonderful. Jonatha's style and vocals are like no one else's. Bev NP - "Fatso from "Angle in the House" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:29:29 -0000 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: jonatha (NJC) I wrote: "Fatso from "Angle in the House" This is a little known parody by Weird Al. It's about large architects. Bev, Queen of Typos P.S. I guess Paul I is on vacation, or maybe feeling very generous today ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:30:04 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni's _____ (NJC) Gina wrote: << I looked again, very closely (BEFORE reading Brian's post) and I do still see a female figure with her legs spread apart, however, I'm inclined to agree with Brian, for the reason that I don't believe Joni would depict herself that way. I've doubted somewhat all along it was Joni and now I'm convinced it's not of her. I will look again to see what Brian describes above as seeing. Now that I see what I see, though, it may be hard to see anything else, though I'm not convinced at all that the female figure I SEE, is in fact, Joni. P.S. Someone, I don't recall who, had the good taste to put a blank after Joni's name above and I though I'd follow suit : } >> I sincerely appreciate your input, Gina, but am quite flabbergasted by the sudden puritanical bent of so many jmdlers! For the past year I have witnessed dozens of subject lines including the word penis referring to Joni's wrist on Hejira. Few complained & it's been the subject of several funny threads. I'm confused. Is it because I used the slang "pussy" that disturbed so many people? Would it have been PC if I had titled my post "Joni's Vagina"? Simon says: << Eric Taylor ~ displaying bad taste and less judgement, writes ... [bleep] Oh really?! gimme-a-break. assuming the observation were correct, what makes you think it's Joni? >> Just trying to generate some interest in Joni's painting & Mingus album, Simon. Realistically "sex sells everything." Just look at all the posts it provoked.... Personally I wish someone would send Joni this thread because I'm certain she'd get a big chuckle out of it, not being one who avoids bluntness or "dirty" words. Even on the CD cover I can clearly make out Joni's cheekbones. But you really need to see it on the LP cover to see the indigo crotch.... E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:26:54 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) Gene Mock wrote of Leslie Mixon: > > She takes great pictures too! gene Hey Gene! You're just the guy to help Mark with Leslie's trip financing...Puuuuuurfect timing man! ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-Thinking I'll stick with the African Gold afterall ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:39:47 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: joni vs johnny rotten NJC Vince Lavieri wrote: > Like, the crowd goes wild and I win the > bet, dude. Pay up, man. Whaddyamean man? We haven't even bet yet! And y'all thought I was fast ;~D What means technical knock out? Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-I think Rocky went fishing in both cases man ;~D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:49:10 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni's [censored] NJC >Am I the only one here who finds the title of this thread >incredibly objectionable? I must be getting old... Sorry Terry. I really didn't intend to offend! It was late & I was high. & since so many posters have been constantly inquiring if Joni's wrist was a penis I just thought I'd set the record straight. Madonna would blush.... E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:57:29 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni's cats............literally! I know this was discussed before (long time ago) but I don't remember and can't find the posts. How many cats does Joni have? Was it three? And what are their names and colors, i.e..........the calico cat, etc. I appreciate anyones help with the info! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:02:19 -0000 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: Joni's _____ (NJC) - -Would it have been PC if I had titled my post "Joni's Vagina"? I've kept quite on this one, but I have to admit that I really hoped, like Deb, that your original post was going to be about Joni's cat. "Vagina" would have been better, but not by much. I really detest the word "Pussy" when used as slang for vagina. Call me repressed, old fashioned, what ever. I just hate this word when used as slang for female gentalia. I don't even use it with my best girl friends, and we can get really "unrepressed." >I'm certain she'd get a big chuckle out of it, not being one who avoids >bluntness or "dirty" words. I've listened to dozens of her interviews, and, of course, her lyrics - and I've never heard her say anything that I considered objectional. The word is just plain vulgar. > Even on the CD cover I can clearly make out Joni's cheekbones. But you >really need to see it on the LP cover to see the indigo crotch.... Crotch is a little better; however, I'd like prefer to keep thinking of the Indigo cover as a portrait of Joni in Van Gogh's style. Bev ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:12:24 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni (ahem) titles Kakki shared this scary story: << ....months ago my law firm did a surprise surveillance check of everyone's saved email. Apparently they had some consultants come in who used a program that went through the system and automatically picked out titles based on key words that may indicate "suspect" or "inappropriate" content. Those emails were then automatically retrieved from the system for further perusal. They notified everyone of this *after* the fact, so feeling paranoid I went back through my emails to see what was in there. A couple of joke posts that were probably not exactly "proper" had been left in unscathed. But one post had been red-flagged and extracted - it was from a fellow listmember and titled "Photos of Joni". >> This is even worse than a piss test! If those photos of Joni had included the Mingus cover would you have been canned? Seriously, I now understand why some people objected to my sexy subject line & will try to refrain from now on. 1984! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 02:03:41 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni's THING Bev pointed out: <> Anticipating a lambasting for my latest snafu I consulted several liberated women before I read today's digest. Of course this was not a scientific study but the consensus was that "pussy" is cute & anatomically descriptive. The slang they all agreed was truly offensive is "c_nt". Joni recently called rude audience members "drunk fucks" & one of my favorite lines she sings is: "he picked up my scent on his fingers while he was watching the waitresses legs!" This kind of blunt honesty is one of the countless things I admire about Joni & has definately rubbed off on me. E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 02:13:44 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds questions In a message dated 6/26/1999 9:18:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@AOL.COM writes: << Album: "sunny day, braiding brown flowers and leaves in my hair" > CD: "sunny day, braiding wild flowers and leaves in my hair" > (And all along I thought she sang "fall flowers") > >> In the songbook *Joni Mitchell Complete Vol. 1* it says.....Braiding fall flowers and leaves in my hair. AND, In the songbook * The Music of Joni Mitchell* from 1969, it says: Braiding fall flowers and leaves in my hair...So for the last 22 years of life I beleaved these words to be true. HOWEVER, on closer inspections (actually listening to the CD real close) I have discovered to my disbeleif that the words are *wildflowers*. In the book *Joni Mitchell: The Complete Poems and Lyrics it says" Braiding *wildflowers* and leaves in my hair. Here I thought I knew all these years only to find out the truth. WOW!!! Catgirl NP: I don't know where I stand ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 02:17:58 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: clouds In a message dated 6/26/1999 9:28:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ATAKATS@ninenet.com.au writes: << Okay - my Clouds LP has lyrics on the BACK, as there is no jacket fold out on my copy.....the mystery unfolds? could it be the word "brown" was printed on these "non-fold-out" LP copies?? anyone anyone? And yes Gina, the lyrics in regards to the Clouds CD were inside the booklet..sorry for not making that clearer. Ange Sydney >> I think it is cool that you have an alternate version of the LP. I have never seen one that does not open. The words on the LP and the CD are the correct ones. For some reason in the songbooks they printed *fall flowers* which is why I always sang that. WOW! Catgirl NP:Roses Blue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:32:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Hissing Demo Ok, I've got a question. I can understand where all the other bootlegs came from. But where did this Hissing Demo come from? Isn't that kind of stuff usually the property of the studio and/or the artist? I mean, hopefully no JMDLer had to sleep with one of Joni's production people to get the tape out here to the rest of us. Although I'd venture a guess there would be several willing to cozy up to Joan to sweet talk *her* out of it! Does anyone know the origin of this demo? Or is that stickly under wraps? Curious Penny NP Hissing demo with headphones on ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #281 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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