From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #280 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, June 26 1999 Volume 04 : Number 280 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: mix tapes (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) [tolstoy@freent.com] Joni's Pussy ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Bonnie Concert Review (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: Eleanor's Performance [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Joni's _______ [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: mix tapes NJC [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Joni's _______ [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni's Pussy [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Joni's Pussy [Brian Gross ] Audio Advice Please (NJC) ["Beverly" ] Re: Joni's _____ [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Audio Advice Please (NJC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Joni's Pussy [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni's Pussy [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Joni's cat's meow...(NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Joni's Pussy [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Joni's _____ [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Audio Advice Please (NJC) ["Beverly" ] Re: Joni's you-know-what [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Joni's you-know-what ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Joni's.....hmm....whatever :-) [Jason Maloney ] Re: Joni (ahem) titles ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni (ahem) titles ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Joni's __ [TerryM2442@aol.com] re: Mingus Vinyl Gatefold? [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] Re: Joni and Ebay [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni (ahem) titles [catman ] Re: Joni (ahem) titles ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni (ahem) titles (now NJC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni's __ [Jason Maloney ] Re: The Joni Mitchell Companion [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni and Joan [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni's.....hmm....whatever :-) [Deb Messling ] Re: catgirl and Randy's reply NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Jonatha In the Sticks - Long (SJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: Jonatha In the Sticks - Long (SJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] RE: mix tapes (NJC) [jase@bconnex.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:59:36 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: mix tapes (NJC) I sometimes like to try and organize mix tapes formally/structurally, rather than by song-to-song transitions -- symmetry (first and last tracks on a side by the same artist or genre, second and next-to-last tracks...), mirror images, repeating patterns, etc. -- at least a little bit, to the extent that the tracks I want to put on permit it. Perhaps this gives me a sense of control in a world filled with chaos? (to paraphrase "Clueless"). ;) There's usually still a lot of room for intuition too. I often like to go for variety and sharp contrast between two songs ("and now for something completely different") instead of smooth transitions, too. And, of course, trying to remember or guess if I have enough room left on the tape for this or that song always plays a big role.... - --David NP: _Mysteries of the Sabbath: Classic Cantorial Recordings (1907-47)_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:45:18 -0400 From: tolstoy@freent.com Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) Are you talking about what my voice teacher always called "the singer's mask"? One sings, using the vocal chords, but naturally amplifying the voice through the sinus cavities--their job and purpose. The exercises are intended to isolate the muscles/chords so you can strengthen but also so you can "feel" them working, the lungs to power and the diaphragm to control....at least that's what I remember...just wondering.....meant to get in on this thread earlier.. Deborah, who could sing her way out of a hurricane.....(!) or do I need to add a smiley-face..? I always get confused....:>) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 05:08:10 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Joni's Pussy I'm up all night in my studio & just checked into the JMDL. Yes the penis-on-Joni-covers debate is SO old & tired! But what amazes me is that, while many are looking at Joni's wrist on Hejira as some sort of phallic symbol, the Mingus cover prominently displays the real thing & few seem to see it. The Mingus cover also contains a nude self-portrait of Joni spread eagle. Perhaps the reason no one sees it is because no one on the list owns the LP. Or possibly the painting is beyond the 20th Century mindset for people still trying to figure out Dali & Warhol.... Whatever the reason, this just reinforces my long-held belief that it will take another generation for the masses to finally begin to appreciate the magnitude of Joni Mitchell's artistry. I just hope I live to see the day when all of her paintings go on tour! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:04:45 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Bonnie Concert Review (NJC) In a message dated 6/25/99 9:10:38 PM Central Daylight Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << My friend Hutch plays bass in her (Bonnie Raitt's) band and has done so for years. He called me while he was in town and I intended to go see him and hang out but could not work it out. >> Bonnie mentioned that he had been in her band for forever and that he was sworn to secrecy about the 80's...Hutch then did a "my lips are sealed" stroke across his mouth...pretty funny. Bob NP: Wall of Voodoo, "Spy World" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:12:03 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Eleanor's Performance In a message dated 6/26/99 12:02:19 AM Central Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << She IS wonderful, isn't she? >> Oh yeah! My wife asked me to make a tape of "Live" & "10c Wings" for her. I told her that I was busy on Penny's, Kevin's and Chris's, and she gave me the most incredulous look! :~) I told her I'd try to work her in sooner...:~) Also, Nate (my 12-year old) went along to see Jonatha and they let him in free! He commented that he really enjoyed the way her songs changed tempos in mid-song. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:27:28 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's _______ In a message dated 6/26/99 4:32:39 AM Central Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << Perhaps the reason no one sees it is because no one on the list owns the LP. >> Au contraire, mon frer! Catgirl has a copy that we bought in Philly to include as a Giveaway at the Jonifest. Brian was pointing out all the genitalia, but he must have a keener eye for that sort of thing cuz I didn't see any. Of course, I never saw Jesus in the billboard or Elvis in the Mattress stain either... Bob NP: Red Hot Chile Peppers, "Parallel Universe" (from Californication - nice comeback for the Peppers!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:34:36 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: mix tapes NJC In a message dated 6/25/99 8:19:05 PM Central Daylight Time, trxschwa@bway.net writes: << this is a subject near and dear to my heart, i've made mushes for as long as i've had cassette recorders, >> Me too, and all of this talk is making me wonder if we shouldn't start up a "mix-tape" exchange club. (Or maybe one already exists and nobody's told me :~( ) It only seems logical since we all want to force our opinions on each other that we should force our music on each other as well! :~) Seriously, I would be interested in hearing some of the exotic things I see in the "NP" section of posts. And after hanging with Mr. & Mrs. Catgirl, I'm lusting for a CD burner, so maybe THAT's the way to go...mix-CD's instead of mix-tapes.... Bob NP: Peppers, "Otherside" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:32:15 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's _______ In a message dated 6/26/99 8:30:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: << << Perhaps the reason no one sees it is because no one on the list owns the LP. >> Au contraire, mon frer! Catgirl has a copy that we bought in Philly to include as a Giveaway at the Jonifest. Brian was pointing out all the genitalia, but he must have a keener eye for that sort of thing cuz I didn't see any. Of course, I never saw Jesus in the billboard or Elvis in the Mattress stain either... Bob >> What is it they say about the eye of the beholder? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:53:27 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Pussy In a message dated 6/26/99 5:32:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: > Perhaps the reason no one sees it is because no one on the list owns the LP. > Or possibly the painting is beyond the 20th Century mindset for people still > trying to figure out Dali & Warhol.... I own the LP and I see what you're talking about. So, what is there to figure out here? Gina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni's Pussy Eric Taylor writes (and I have to paraphrase him, because I already deleted the original post) that Joni is spread eagle on the cover of Mingus. I take great exception to that observation First, I don't believe for a nanosecond that Joni would have painted herself like that. And second, if you look at the painting closely, you will see the legs of a female figure relatively close together, with the right side of the right leg and butt exposed to observer's eye. The right knee is lower than the left knee, and the legs are DEFINITELY NOT SPREAD EAGLE Brian np: Eleanor McEvoy - Snapshots === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:32:41 -0000 From: "Beverly" Subject: Audio Advice Please (NJC) I recently bought a new computer that came with Harman Kardon speakers. These speakers were infinitely better than the tin cans that came with my last computer and gave me some idea as to how good music could sound on my PC. However, the sound was not as good I would like, since my PC is the only place I listen to music while in the house. I went to Circuit City (the only place in town that sells PC speakers) and bought an Altec Lansing "Power Cube" system for $100. It comes with two speaker satellites and a subwoofer. After hooking everything up, I put on "Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell," mainly to test the bass. The sound is definitely much richer than with my previous PC speakers, but I'm just not getting the quality sound I want. I'm wondering, even if I bought some really high-line, expensive PC speakers, would I ever get the sound I'm looking for? I spend a lot of time in this computer room and can't use the "family system" because it's in another room and/or one of my kids are playing their music. I want to have music playing near where I spend my evening down time. The only other alternative is a JVC "mini system cube" which sounds wonderful. Unfortunately, the most inexpensive small system I've been able to find is $377 at a discount super store here in town. Aiwa makes a system that sound great too, but it's too big for the area allotted for another piece of equipment. I guess my question is this. Is it possible to get really good sound using a PC? I'm thinking that the speakers might not be my problem and I'm just not going to get the sound I'm after with a PC. I guess I'm going to have to break down an get the JVC or Aiwa. I think I asked this question over a year ago, but my son donated his old boom box which recently died on me. I can't recall some of the great advice I got, especially from Kenny Grant. Thanks in advance, Bev Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:40:58 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's _____ In a message dated 6/26/99 11:21:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, briangross@rocketmail.com writes: > I take great exception to that observation > > First, I don't believe for a nanosecond that Joni would have painted herself > like that. > > And second, if you look at the painting closely, you will see the legs of a > female figure relatively close together, with the right side of the right > leg > and butt exposed to observer's eye. The right knee is lower than the left > knee, and the legs are DEFINITELY NOT SPREAD EAGLE > I looked again, very closely (BEFORE reading Brian's post) and I do still see a female figure with her legs spread apart, however, I'm inclined to agree with Brian, for the reason that I don't believe Joni would depict herself that way. I've doubted somewhat all along it was Joni and now I'm convinced it's not of her. I will look again to see what Brian describes above as seeing. Now that I see what I see, though, it may be hard to see anything else, though I'm not convinced at all that the female figure I SEE, is in fact, Joni. I don't particularly care for this painting personally, but I do very much like the one of Mingus on the back of the cover. My opinion, for what it's worth. Take Care, Gina NP: Trio - Emmylou Harris, Dolly Parton, Linda Ronstadt P.S. Someone, I don't recall who, had the good taste to put a blank after Joni's name above and I though I'd follow suit : } ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Audio Advice Please (NJC) On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Beverly wrote: > I guess my question is this. Is it possible to get really good sound using > a PC? I'm thinking that the speakers might not be my problem and I'm just And the answer is..... it depends. The original source of the music is mostly line out with very little amplification being run to underpowered speakers, much like a portable cd player. The reason a cube or home system sounds so good is the power of the amplifier, especially to the woofers and/or subwoofers. The best that the computer can do is sound realistic and crisp, mostly because you are in a stationary position, and highs and mids are easy to reproduce. But low bass is nondirectional and very expensive to reproduce effectively. That is why the best systems use line out to a high powered subwoofer. My home system has a Yamaha pwered subwoofer that was more expensive than my receiver! Jerry % days until Jonis Jazz! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Joni's _____ Oh y'all would see Mother Theresa in a Bun! :o)Jerry On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 Ginamu@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/26/99 11:21:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > briangross@rocketmail.com writes: > > > I take great exception to that observation > > > > First, I don't believe for a nanosecond that Joni would have painted > herself > > like that. > > > > And second, if you look at the painting closely, you will see the legs of a > > female figure relatively close together, with the right side of the right > > leg > > and butt exposed to observer's eye. The right knee is lower than the left > > knee, and the legs are DEFINITELY NOT SPREAD EAGLE > > > > I looked again, very closely (BEFORE reading Brian's post) and I do still see > a female figure with her legs spread apart, however, I'm inclined to agree > with Brian, for the reason that I don't believe Joni would depict herself > that way. I've doubted somewhat all along it was Joni and now I'm convinced > it's not of her. I will look again to see what Brian describes above as > seeing. Now that I see what I see, though, it may be hard to see anything > else, though I'm not convinced at all that the female figure I SEE, is in > fact, Joni. > > I don't particularly care for this painting personally, but I do very much > like the one of Mingus on the back of the cover. My opinion, for what it's > worth. > > Take Care, > Gina > NP: Trio - Emmylou Harris, Dolly Parton, Linda Ronstadt > > P.S. Someone, I don't recall who, had the good taste to put a blank after > Joni's name above and I though I'd follow suit : } > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:51:41 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Pussy Am I the only one here who finds the title of this thread incredibly objectionable? I must be getting old... Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:16:15 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Pussy In a message dated 6/26/99 11:55:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: > Am I the only one here who finds the title of this thread incredibly > objectionable? I must be getting old... > > Terry I do also, Terry and I was annoyed with myself for forgetting to change it in a previous post. Thanks for mentioning this. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:17:25 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's cat's meow...(NJC) In a message dated 99-06-26 11:23:57 EDT, briangross@rocketmail.com writes: >First, I don't believe for a nanosecond that Joni would have painted herself >like that. > > Well, sure. It's tough to get the proper leverage. And those messy paint drips....Such a pain. Sheesh. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:19:16 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Joni's Pussy TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > > Am I the only one here who finds the title of this thread incredibly > objectionable? I must be getting old... Naw Terry...if you find the subjectification of body parts objectionable you're just getting repressed Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Sex sells everything..."-that Joni ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:37:15 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's _____ In a message dated 6/26/99 12:21:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: > I do also, Terry and I was annoyed with myself for forgetting to change it in > > a previous post. Thanks for mentioning this. > > Take care, > Gina Arrrrrgh...i did it again in the last post! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:16:16 -0000 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: Audio Advice Please (NJC) >The reason a cube or home system sounds so good is the power of >the amplifier, especially to the woofers and/or subwoofers. The best that >the computer can do is sound realistic and crisp, mostly because you are >in a stationary position, and highs and mids are easy to reproduce. Thanks Jerry! Do you think I'm wasting my money by spending $100 extra for a PC speaker system with a subwoofer, since there is only a small appreciable difference between the new satellite/subwoofer package and Harman Kardon set that came with my PC. I could take the subwoofer stuff back and put the money toward the JVC cube system. I guess I was hoping there was some way I could get real quality sound out of my PC without forking out big bucks. I've already done that with the main home system that, unfortunately, is connected up with the TV and the surround sound stuff that my family hogs. Bev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:29:00 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's you-know-what In a message dated 6/26/99 10:55:28 AM Central Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << Am I the only one here who finds the title of this thread incredibly objectionable? I must be getting old... >> Not at all Terry - that's why I "changed" it to a _______. A lot of us do get these messages at work, Michael Y kindly asked us to keep that in mind when titling posts. I'm not a prude by any means, but I do try to consider the community-at-large sometimes... Bob NP: Jonatha, "The Choice" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:15:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Joni's you-know-what Yes, folks. I'm at the Reference desk and I came back to find that juicy subject heading on my screen. That was a shock! Jerry On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/26/99 10:55:28 AM Central Daylight Time, > TerryM2442@aol.com writes: > > << Am I the only one here who finds the title of this thread incredibly > objectionable? I must be getting old... > >> > Not at all Terry - that's why I "changed" it to a _______. A lot of us do > get these messages at work, Michael Y kindly asked us to keep that in mind > when titling posts. I'm not a prude by any means, but I do try to consider > the community-at-large sometimes... > > Bob > > NP: Jonatha, "The Choice" > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:53:57 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) Susan L.A. wrote: > > What I learned from my friend at work was something new in > > explaining more of the actual physical aspects of it. > > Yeah but you still haven't explained anything physical to us! You'd > think this was some kinda trade secret and that there's a recipe > depending on it...Can I get in on the baking? ;~D Aiyy, I did not mean to make this more eliptical than it already is. "[I] don't know the system and [I] don't understand" - that's why I wondered if others here knew about it and could comment. > > singing a series of > > strange, contorted sounds and that this serves to give you the awareness of > > doing it "right". > > Ah, oui! Now we're getting somewhere!...the ooo, aaaoooooooow, whooos > and the na, na, na nas? ;~) Come to think of it, the sounds my friend demonstrated were a little like Canadian geese in chevron flight - maybe Joni...oh never mind ;-D > Honey McBabe-Feelin' dern brattier than Dylan };~D Dylan, hmmm...now there's a vocal technique ;-) Kakki NP: Steve Mixon live on mandolin accompanied by the beautiful vocal talents of Ms. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:42:37 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Joni's.....hmm....whatever :-) Well, may I take up my position on that lovely fence in the middle over there? To those who were shocked/offended/thought it inappropriate....I can see where you're coming from on that. I must admit that subject line looks mighty eye-catching and disconcerting....I was talking with a friend earlier today when the message appeared, and I couldn't help but become distracted by it :-) I told her : "I have Joni's ____ (the actual words)" on my screen here!"..... I can also appreciate that Eric was being wickedly (willfully, even) provocative with his choice of subject header....but it certainly brought more attention to the matter, didn't it? :-) Jason, perhaps wishing for closure on the subject to spare the blushes of his fellow beloved jmdl-ers :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:40:41 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni (ahem) titles Bob wrote: > A lot of us do get these messages at work, Michael Y kindly asked us to keep that in mind > when titling posts. I'm not a prude by any means, but I do try to consider > the community-at-large sometimes... A few months ago my law firm did a surprise surveillance check of everyone's saved email. Apparently they had some consultants come in who used a program that went through the system and automatically picked out titles based on key words that may indicate "suspect" or "inappropriate" content. Those emails were then automatically retrieved from the system for further perusal. They notified everyone of this *after* the fact, so feeling paranoid I went back through my emails to see what was in there. A couple of joke posts that were probably not exactly "proper" had been left in unscathed. But one post had been red-flagged and extracted - it was from a fellow listmember and titled "Photos of Joni". Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:19:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Joni (ahem) titles I'm a little surprised, especially since you work for a law firm. The interpretation here is that just because the firm may provide you with an account and the equipment does not mean they have access to your personal communications, much like they have no right to tape your phone calls that are personal. The ruling here is that if it business related then they are the firms right to read and store. If not, they don't. Of course not allowing anything of a non business nature is there right, but I don't believe that gives them the right to read all of your e-mail without your permission. Smells like Big Brother to me. Jerry, a proud card carrying ACLU member On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Kakki wrote: > Bob wrote: > > > A lot of us do get these messages at work, Michael Y kindly asked us to > keep that in mind > > when titling posts. I'm not a prude by any means, but I do try to consider > > the community-at-large sometimes... > > A few months ago my law firm did a surprise surveillance check of everyone's > saved email. Apparently they had some consultants come in who used a > program that went through the system and automatically picked out titles > based on key words that may indicate "suspect" or "inappropriate" content. > Those emails were then automatically retrieved from the system for further > perusal. They notified everyone of this *after* the fact, so feeling > paranoid I went back through my emails to see what was in there. A couple > of joke posts that were probably not exactly "proper" had been left in > unscathed. But one post had been red-flagged and extracted - it was from a > fellow listmember and titled "Photos of Joni". > > Kakki > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:19:57 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Joni (ahem) titles Kakki wrote: > A few months ago my law firm did a surprise surveillance check of everyone's > saved email. Apparently they had some consultants come in who used a > program that went through the system and automatically picked out titles > based on key words that may indicate "suspect" or "inappropriate" content. > Those emails were then automatically retrieved from the system for further > perusal. They notified everyone of this *after* the fact, so feeling > paranoid I went back through my emails to see what was in there. A couple > of joke posts that were probably not exactly "proper" had been left in > unscathed. But one post had been red-flagged and extracted - it was from a > fellow listmember and titled "Photos of Joni". Well, god help them if you don't happen to delete any of the posts from this thread! Jason, trying not to get paranoid but clearing his tracks dilligently anyway :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:17:20 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's __ In a message dated 6/26/99 12:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ondulees@bc.sympatico.ca writes: << Naw Terry...if you find the subjectification of body parts objectionable you're just getting repressed >> Geez, sounds like another 20 years of couch training for Dr.SigMondegreen. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:17:00 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: re: Mingus Vinyl Gatefold? > Trying to settle a mystery here -- one recollection has that Mingus is > not a > gatefold; another recollection is that it is. Concensus, please? At least my German copy is a gatefold. And I believe it's more or less a direct copy of the original US Asylum sleeve. - --jussi - --------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:31:55 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Ebay In a message dated 6/23/1999 4:54:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMY FL writes: << I'm not sure if it would work or not, but maybe something like "onelist.com" which Catgirl has her "jonifans" list might be a solution. JMDLers who occassionally bid from eBay could post to a new list called JMDLeBay@onelist.com (or whatever name you wanted to use), and say they are bidding on a certain Joni item so others who were interested wouldn't bid against their fellow JMDLer. Probably a dumb idea, but just trying to think of some kind of solution to this problem. Jimmy >> Great Idea Jimmy. Those in favor please respond and I or someone can set up the site! Remember we are all friends here! Some of the items are going at too high of prices. I want to be fare to the seller but not highway robber! Catgirl NP Hejira *live*- unplugged and jamming ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:34:24 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni (ahem) titles What an apalling invasion of privacy! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:19:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni (ahem) titles Jerry wrote: > I'm a little surprised, especially since you work for a law firm. The > interpretation here is that just because the firm may provide you with an > account and the equipment does not mean they have access to your personal > communications, much like they have no right to tape your phone calls that > are personal Jerry, I don't know the intricacies of the law on this but I think the general concept is that because they own the equipment and it is situated in their firm, to be used for business purposes, they have a right to review the contents. Also, because of the nature of legal work, there could be many other reasons they want to prudent as to what type of content is being backed up on the system. They do tell everyone upfront that they may, at their discretion, access your email acount at any time, so there is notification or "fair warning" in advance. But even though the employees knew this, it was still a surprise that they actually did it. When I worked for a government contractor years ago, they also told us upfront that our telephone conversations may be monitored at any time. I guess if they tell you in advance, it's up to you to make the choice to either not work for that employer, or to be careful about your communications at work. And Jason, I get the list at home - not at work - for this any other reasons! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:51:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Joni (ahem) titles (now NJC) > Jerry, I don't know the intricacies of the law on this but I think the > general concept is that because they own the equipment and it is situated in > their firm, to be used for business purposes, they have a right to review > the contents. Also, because of the nature of legal work, there could be They may think that, but I think they are wrong. That is similar logic to we own the bus so if you want to ride it it has to be in the back. Or we own the counter so you have to sit there. Or it is our company and we don't have to hire pregnant women. The list goes on and it always amazes me how easily we Americans give up some of our basic rights. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:47:30 -0000 From: "Beverly" Subject: Jonatha In the Sticks - Long (SJC) I couldn't believe my eyes when the calendar section of our paper said that Jonatha Brooke was coming Orlando, and playing, not the The Hard Rock Cafe, but at the Sapphire Supper Club which, although boasts a dark, exotic and intimate ambiance, it usually only showcases our best local talent. Since I have introduced almost anyone who will listen to me to Jonatha, I reserved a table for 10 "the Sapphire" for last Wednesday night. Doors opened at 6:00 PM and Jonatha came on at 7:00. We got a table "in the pit" front and center. It was raining that night, and since I work downtown where the club is also located, I ran over with in the rain with a huge golf umbrella. I got there around 5:40 and it was raining cats and dogs. Although they weren't letting people in until 6:00, they took pity on me and let me in. WHAT A TREAT!!! First, I ran into Jonatha in the bathroom. I couldn't believe it; I just walked in all wet with this dripping umbrella and there was she was, standing there applying butterflies to her short hair. She smiled this huge, friendly smile and asked me if it was raining and started laughing and said "DUH," before I did. I wanted to gush and pull out all the CD's I had stashed in my bag for her to sign, but I just went in a stall and peeked through the crack in the door while she applied some more butterflies. I stayed in the stall longer than I needed too. When she left the bathroom, she said "I hope everything's ok in there, Bye-eee." I could'a died. When I came out, she was doing a sound check. I was the only one at my big reserved table for 10. This is my favorite part. While doing the sound check she ran through several songs, not all of them hers. She played two bars of "River," and, of course, I started clapping. She looked at me said, "whose better, me or Joni"? I did what I thought was a toss-up kinda shoulder shrug thing. She smiled. God, does she have a charming smile. At 6:45 the rest of my Jonatha converts started traipsing in including, my husband and daughter and several people from work. Jonatha came on at 7:10 with a different outfit on from the one she had on earlier in the bathroom - all the butterflies were in tact. She is just so charismatic and charming, she smiles constantly and holds her pick in her front teeth between songs. She is also very flirty and coquettish with the audience. I was too entranced and busy taking pictures to take made note of the set list, but she played most of my favorites from both her solo CDs, as well as "Angel in the House" and "Grace in Gravity." She started the set with "West Point." From what what I remember, she played "Angel in the House," "Blood from a Stone," Nothing Sacred," "In the Gloaming and "At the Still Point," after which she told a story about her performance the night before in Atlanta. In the middle of the set, she asks the audience if they have any questions. She related a story about an eight year old child who was with his mother at the Atlanta performance, who raised his hand and asked what "The Still Point" means. She said something like, "this was the hardest question I've ever been asked by an audience member, I mean, how can you explain so abstract." Anyway, this is what she said she told him: "You know when you go swimming and you swim so much that you're really, really tired, and then you get out of the pool and your mom gives you a sandwich and some chips while you rest. Then after you finish your sandwich and chips your mom surprises you with Cake! And later, when your sitting in school, or bored, you can remember how good that cake tasted after that swim?" Well, that's "the still point, sorta." Apparently, the kid was happy with her answer. The rest of night, when anyone shouted out a request, she said, that's not on tonight's set list, but we'll have cake later." It really was an enchanting night! Jonatha is so graceful and emotive. Her voice was better than in the studio, especially when she hits those beautiful high notes, like when she harmonized with her guitar on "In the Gloaming." She is just incredibly enchanting. After the show, I bought her new Live CD entitled "Live," as Bob said, the first from her new label "Bad Dog Records." She signed three CD's for me; Plumb, which I brought with me, and two "Lives" one of which I bought for an attorney, Mike, from work, who will forever regret not having come along. On mine, she signed: "Beverly, Love and Cake ~Jonatha," and on Mike's she wrote: "Mike! WERE YOU! ~ Jonatha," after I explained that he had planned to come, but bailed out at the last minute. After seeing the inscription, he said it was almost worth not coming along - to have her write something special - "just to him." I'll just let him dream. Well, that's it. Sorry for all the detail, but it was just so incredible to have Jonatha in my tourist town, so near and so graceful and beautiful. I took about 10 digital pictures, which amazingly, came out very good. A couple are wonderful. If anyone would like to have some pics forwarded, just let me know. Bev Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:47:17 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) > Kakki > > NP: Steve Mixon live on mandolin accompanied by the beautiful vocal talents > of Ms. Leslie > I second this! Leslie is very talented and she sure can sing a mean blues....or torcher....or what have you. She's great! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:50:13 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni (ahem) titles This may be the case in other companies, but my sister works for an insurance company. Internet access is provided but they monitor information going out rather than information coming in, so they can watch if their employees are giving out trade secrets. Could this be one of their reasons for searching the network? At 12:19 PM -0700 6/26/99, Kakki wrote: >Jerry, I don't know the intricacies of the law on this but I think the >general concept is that because they own the equipment and it is situated in >their firm, to be used for business purposes, they have a right to review >the contents. Also, because of the nature of legal work, there could be >many other reasons they want to prudent as to what type of content is being >backed up on the system. They do tell everyone upfront that they may, at >their discretion, access your email acount at any time, so there is >notification or "fair warning" in advance. But even though the employees >knew this, it was still a surprise that they actually did it. When I worked >for a government contractor years ago, they also told us upfront that our >telephone conversations may be monitored at any time. I guess if they tell >you in advance, it's up to you to make the choice to either not work for >that employer, or to be careful about your communications at work. Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua http://jmdl.com/guitar/mark "This conformity factory is now closed!" -Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:09:58 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Joni's __ TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > Geez, sounds like another 20 years of couch training for Dr.SigMondegreen. Da goot dokter eez avay at zees time, so eef I may.... :-) Ya, it vould zeem Joaneez vondnez for velein kompanyons is korzink egsdreem konfuzion aymungsd her vanz. Zees luff ov, how you say, puzee, stemz I beleef from voze heedan veelinks in orl ower parstzs. Vor Joanee, dee big luvamann komplex runneeng vrue her verk vines eetz balantz een a deezyerr to deesplay erselv een her painteengz. Zumtimez, zees incloodz zee intamutt playceez..... Yorz een Joanee-spireet..... Yorin Mybuttz. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:11:06 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: The Joni Mitchell Companion In a message dated 6/25/1999 6:33:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Does anyone know the latest word on The Joni Mitchell Companion, a collection of interviews, essays and reviews? The company where the library orders books has a release date listed of June 1999, but I don't have my copy yet! >> I want to get one too! Catgirl..looking up from her computer at her Joni Picture shrine!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:15:20 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Joan In a message dated 6/25/1999 12:06:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, donbvs@lightspeed.net writes: << What I found was that, for me, Joan sort of takes me "outside" into the world so to speak. The stuff of hers I really like is from the Viet Nam War era, and when I listen to her records from then, I think and feel about the things that were very intensely affecting so many of us as a community. As I spent a very intense year-and-a-half battling the draft, I was very inspired by her and her hubby, David. She's very powerful. When I listen to my favorite Joni stuff, she takes me into my self more - personal feelings re: love and loss and stuff like that - I go to places in myself that I normally wouldn't discuss with anyone else but there's Joni, tapping in, waking up those little memories long asleep, letting me know that SHE knows exactly how I have felt. She articulates those experiences/feelings much better than I can (did I need to say that?). >> PERFECT!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:23:20 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni's.....hmm....whatever :-) Okay, am I the only one who immediately assumed the post would be about cats???? >To those who were shocked/offended/thought it inappropriate....I can see >where you're coming from on that. I must admit that subject line looks >mighty eye-catching and disconcerting Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:20:42 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: catgirl and Randy's reply NJC In a message dated 6/25/1999 1:46:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pward@lightspeed.net writes: << >Since we are no longer talking about Joni, I suggest we take this > private, should you feel the need to respond. Any public reply will most > likely be met in kind, regardless of content. > What a great idea! And that way, you get the "last word" too! -- Phyliss >> I wasn't going to post this to the group, just to Phyliss, but I loved my Joni reply so much I had to share sorry! Thank you Phyliss. I think he *Misses* my point all together. But he certainly offers lots of *Hits* now doesn't he?? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:31:54 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Jonatha In the Sticks - Long (SJC) Beverly wrote: > > I couldn't believe my eyes when the calendar section of our paper said that > Jonatha Brooke was coming Orlando, and playing, not the The Hard Rock Cafe, > but at the Sapphire Supper Club which, although boasts a dark, exotic and > intimate ambiance, it usually only showcases our best local talent. > Well, that's it. Sorry for all the detail, but it was just so incredible to > have Jonatha in my tourist town, so near and so graceful and beautiful. I > took about 10 digital pictures, which amazingly, came out very good. A > couple are wonderful. If anyone would like to have some pics forwarded, > just let me know. Bev, Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful experience with us all. I loved reading it, details and all. I only discovered Jonatha by being on this list, and I'm amazed at what I could so easily have missed out on. I'd sell my soul (almost) for the chance to see her in those circumstances! I'd love to see some of the pics, so please please pretty please with sugar on top? Thanks, Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:25:13 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: mix tapes NJC In a message dated 6/25/1999 1:52:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: << Mark wrote: <<>> >> I got this great album years ago that was misprinted from Australia back in 1979...it is a double album with 3 sides *Pink Floyd- Drooling and Ranting* and the fourth side has Joni Mitchell- with Chealsea Morning, Cactus Tree, Night in the City, Medley: Marcie and Nathan La Franeer, Medley: two houses- Rainy Night House and Blue Boy! The sound is horrible compared to what I am getting from all my wonderful friends!!! There are so many wonderful people here! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:27:43 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: E-mail @ Work and Privacy Was:Re: Joni (ahem) titles In a message dated 99-06-26 15:53:31 EDT, Harpua@revealed.net writes: >but they monitor >information going out rather than information coming in, so they can >watch if their employees are giving out trade secrets. Could this be >one of their reasons for searching the network? Where I work, nearly everyone has e-mail access. It's not our AOL or Juno or whatever address, but Valley Media's. My boss told me and I regularly emphasis to my staff that the e-mail is monitored and as a rule, Internet access is not allowed. As a supervisor, my issue with private e-mail is that it cuts into work time, just like a personal phone call. My department is responsible for processing a huge volume of cash every day and the personal e-mail nickels and dimes their productive time to death. And I know this first hand because I used to get the JMDL mail at work. It was either accounting stuff or Joni stuff and since last I looked, Les did not sign my paycheck, so..... I don't know about the legality of this, but I seem to recall our H/R department saying that the e-mail issue was the same as one's work locker issue. I.E. that their contents are always subject to inspection. MG np: "What are we going to the pool? Huh? HUh? HUH?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:39:36 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: CD-R's and mixed tapes or mixed CD! In a message dated 6/26/1999 8:37:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: << And after hanging with Mr. & Mrs. Catgirl, I'm lusting for a CD burner, so maybe THAT's the way to go...mix-CD's instead of mix-tapes.... Bob >>Well, I must say that Mewsikmann and myself have been going crazy making tons of CD's from other CD's. Making variety CD's are also real fun and sound great in any CD player. Remember better CD-R's are the way to go if you are doing *archive* work. All of the CD's I am making for myself are on CD-GOLD! Anyone wanting GOLD from me should ask for the GOLD when making requests. You cna go to Masterpeiceav.com and get GOLD for $2.30 a peice. They sound wonderful and the price is not too bad considering what *real* CD's cost. They are by HHb. They are 74 mins long and are suppose to last 100 years unlike the others that only last up to 10 years. The GOLD contain Phtaylo-Cynine which is the best you can buy. The other contain Cynine which only lasts about 10 years. So it is your choice! Catgirl...making CD archive 9909!! (which means my 9th one) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:57:09 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: joni vs johnny rotten NJC Dude, check this out, like, Joni versus Johnny Rotten in a 10-round boxing match, dude, like, Joni takes him out, cold, dude, flat out, in the third round on a technical knock out. Like, the crowd goes wild and I win the bet, dude. Pay up, man. Susan Chaloner wrote: > Vince Lavieri wrote: > > > > Joni vs Johnny Rotten? > > > > I'd take Joni in the third round, by a TKO. > > I confess this is over my head like a 747 and request that you translate > that into Canadian west coast island artiste cafe slang Rev...Thankyou > ;~) > > Susan L.A. > Honey McBabe-Where is Rocky when a guuuuurl needs him? What do you mean when a girl needs him? Hey, where is he when a guy needs him? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:58:22 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonatha In the Sticks - Long (SJC) Bev, I drooled over your entire post. PLEASE send me your photos!! As I've mentioned a zillion times on the list, I'm a huge JB fan too, and had the chance to see her in concert here in Detroit as well as hearing her recently at a CD signing. Like you said, she is so charming and engaging, with no pretense. I told her that there's a lot of JB fans here on Joni's list and she was very pleased. In her words: "Yay Joni!". Get the LIVE CD you guys! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:01:44 -0400 From: jase@bconnex.net Subject: RE: mix tapes (NJC) Patrick Leader wrote: >the spinanes > watch down This was pretty cool to see listed -- considering the number of mailing lists I'm on, I think I've only seen the Spinanes mentioned a handful of times on all of them combined, and I was starting to feel that they were almost completely unappreciated. Have you heard the latest album, _Arches and Aisles_? It's perhaps my favorite of the three, even though the band is now essentially just Rebecca Gates and whatever musicians she's able to recruit to play with her. The new material she's writing is great and, in my opinion, her vocal performances on A&A are her best yet. With all of the talk about mix tapes, and finally having a bit of free time this weekend, I've decided to make one for myself consisting of b-sides, soundtrack and compilation tracks from some of my favorite bands -- something I have wanted to tackle for a while now. A while back, while looking through my CD collection, I was surprised at how many I've bought for just one or two songs by artists I like and thought it would be a good idea to compile them somehow. I'm just afraid it's not going to have any real "flow" to it, since there's not a lot linking these tracks thematically or musically. It will still be nice to have them collected together on one tape, though. Jase NP: Aimee Mann, "Driving With One Hand on the Wheel" (one of many songs I'll possibly include) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #280 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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