From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #279 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, June 26 1999 Volume 04 : Number 279 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A good artist copies but...NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: mix tapes NJC [catman ] Re: NJC: Re: NJC [catman ] The Joni Mitchell Companion [Deb Messling ] Mix tapes (NJC) [Krys & Geoff ] Good Luck Lori [Krys & Geoff ] Political artists (NJC) [Krys & Geoff ] Civilised Brits? (NJC) [Krys & Geoff ] Re: joni vs johnny rotten/Political Joni ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni and Joan [Don Sloan ] Re: Randy's reply [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: catgirl's reply [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: mix tapes NJC [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: catgirl and Randy's reply [Phyliss Ward ] RE: mix tapes NJC [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Re: catgirl and Randy's reply [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] CD Now Coupon [Phyliss Ward ] Eleanor's Performance in Philadelphia (SJC at end) [Brian Gross ] Tape Tree #8, anyone? [Mary Pitassi ] Re: mix tapes NJC [Jason Maloney ] Re: mix tapes NJC [Jason Maloney ] joni vs johnny rotten NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Shawn Phillips (NJC) [Michael Paz ] RE: mix tapes NJC ["patrick leader" ] Joni; L.A. Punk and Disco (little JC and long) ["Kakki" ] Bonnie Concert Review (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Civilised Brits? (NJC) [Randy Remote ] JAZZ TAKES ON JONI MITCHELL [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: joni vs johnny rotten NJC [Susan Chaloner ] Re: NJC Re: Eleanor's Performance [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) [Susan Chaloner ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:22:48 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: A good artist copies but...NJC << I always say "Originality is the art of concealing one's sources". And who >here knows whether I made that up myself or not? :-) << That sounds like my mother hiding the "shake-n-bake" box in the garbage so I won't know the key to her famous pork chops.....(;-D MG - counting down, counting down >> Stop it, Mary Grace (ROTFL!)...you're killin' me!!! I've gotta party with your momma around supper time (...and I helped!). - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:29:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: mix tapes NJC I thought Joan Jett was a cartoon character. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:29:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: Re: NJC > > > If this is true Colin, then why does the old lady in the British tv > sitcom "Are You Being Helped?" constantly have a recurring joke when she > refers to "stroking her pussy"? You mean Mrs Slocombe? Did you know she is really an American and she insisted on having that word bastardized so she could have her own 'catch phrase' that Americans would understand when the show was sold to them? > You meant it as a joke- confess! If only I had a sense of humour you might have been right. > Confess.... or I'll fetch.... the comfy chair! What's that? Another euphemism for something sexual? A spanking maybe? > > > -- > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:32:51 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: The Joni Mitchell Companion Does anyone know the latest word on The Joni Mitchell Companion, a collection of interviews, essays and reviews? The company where the library orders books has a release date listed of June 1999, but I don't have my copy yet! Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:52:08 +0100 From: Krys & Geoff Subject: Mix tapes (NJC) In message , Mark or Travis writes >Considering the time frame, who would other JMDLers have added to a >tape titled 'Rock & Roll Women'? That was a great tape, Mark! I bet you still enjoy it. If I did one today I'd include: Happy Rhodes Kate Bush The Violet Hour (cheating, they're a band but the female singer is brilliant, voice a la Janis) Sam Brown I think I'll go make a tape... Love and peace, Krys XX NP: Brave - Marillion ( NOT a Scottish heavy metal band!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:51:54 +0100 From: Krys & Geoff Subject: Good Luck Lori In message , pattihaskins@mindspring.com writes >Hi Lori, >Sending good vibes your way, hoping for a successful surgery and easy >recovery. I too have that dreaded scoliosis, fairly bad, 46degree curve, and >when I go for xrays (chiro, ortho surgeon) I always warn them of the >severity of the curve, yet they never seem to listen. I swear every time the >technician tells me to stand up straight! I would if I could!! Thanks for >the private email info and keep me posted as well. I'd like to add my best wishes to Lori too. I'm a slight sufferer myself, it's never bothered me much but as I get older it seems to cause more problems. Hang in there Lori - and meanwhile enjoy the Summer. Apologies for all the input today, especially since I am new here. I'm just very much at a loose end and needing to communicate. Love and peace, Krys XX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:51:33 +0100 From: Krys & Geoff Subject: Political artists (NJC) In message , MGVal@aol.com writes > >Is a "political" artist one who follows up the song, (in this case), with >other actions? Who makes sure that the public knows what the song is about >rather than just putting the work out for individual interpretation? I've been following this thread with great interest - there are so many intelligent writers on this list and it's really stimulating to be part of it. I wouldn't like to say for sure what makes a political artist. Kate Bush has always denied that she is political, despite writing songs like "Breathing" (anti nuclear war), "Army Dreamers" and "Pull Out The Pin". (about the futility of war). She's also contributed to various charities including War Child. I think the very term "politics" bothers a lot of people. I see the person as political, so everything we do is some sort of political statement, whether active or passive, in a recognised form or not. Love and peace, Krys XX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:52:27 +0100 From: Krys & Geoff Subject: Civilised Brits? (NJC) In message , Randy Remote writes > >I don't think US punk ever got the press ink or reached a critical >mass with the music buying public. Also UK society has always >been more civil, I find it interesting to see other nationalities perceive us Brits as a civilised lot - I don't think we are, on the whole, it's a bit of a veneer. If you read our history you'll see how much violence and how many wars we've suffered through the ages. We're pretty volatile still. It's a seething undercurrent, growing bigger by the day as I see it, and looking to other European countries and their troubles I worry that it's just possible something like Kosovo could happen here too. One of the scariest things, for me, is that most recently we have a lot of vandalism, affray and bad stuff going on at places like Stonehenge and other sacred sites, something very dear to me. Whether this is the far right/anarchist tendency infiltrating the generally peaceful groups I don't know, but it's worrying and gives the gutter press exactly what they are looking for - ammo to discredit the neo "love and peace" generation. There was another riot in London last week. So, rather than civilised, I would say that the UK character tends towards a suppression that boils and seethes beneath the surface, then when it erupts it's really nasty. Just a thought. Love and peace, Krys XX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:26:43 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: joni vs johnny rotten/Political Joni > > > IN fact, Joni herself denies she is political. She says in the monologue "My > > American Skirt" that Canadians by their nature are not political. > > When did she say that Paul? 1999 BC? And you're just gonna > keep on a holdin' her to it, huh? Since I am mercury and > I'm supposed to be retrograde would someone please quote this Joni to > the Canadian I just had to throw back because he wouldn't stop talking > politics and actually DO anything...BORING! Sounds like Joni needs a visit from Marge Delahantey, Princess Warrior! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:30:53 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: The Joni Mitchell Companion Deb wrote asking about the release date of The Joni Mitchell Companion. I ordered a copy from B&N and was informed by them that the release date has been delayed until 12/99. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: The Joni Mitchell Companion Surprise, surprise. Jerry On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > Deb wrote asking about the release date of The Joni Mitchell Companion. I > ordered a copy from B&N and was informed by them that the release date has > been delayed until 12/99. > > Stephen > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: mix tapes NJC Mark in Seattle asks ... > Do you ever stumble across a perfect sequencing of > two songs? Here's two of my favorites mix tapes: "Slave to Love" Brian Ferry, followed by "Bleed to Love Her" -- Fleetwood Mac "Spit of Love" -- Bonnie Raitt, followed by "My Sweet Girl" -- John Hiatt. Okay, so maybe that one's a little weird, but don't knock it 'til you've tried it. ;-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:37:57 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: Joni and Joan Like Maurice, I'm (as he put it) at "The Late Show" on this thread. But having read some of the fine posts in recent days, I got out some Joan and Joni and had a long listen. What I found was that, for me, Joan sort of takes me "outside" into the world so to speak. The stuff of hers I really like is from the Viet Nam War era, and when I listen to her records from then, I think and feel about the things that were very intensely affecting so many of us as a community. As I spent a very intense year-and-a-half battling the draft, I was very inspired by her and her hubby, David. She's very powerful. When I listen to my favorite Joni stuff, she takes me into my self more - - personal feelings re: love and loss and stuff like that - I go to places in myself that I normally wouldn't discuss with anyone else but there's Joni, tapping in, waking up those little memories long asleep, letting me know that SHE knows exactly how I have felt. She articulates those experiences/feelings much better than I can (did I need to say that?). BTW, I second Maurice's comments on Joans "One Day At A Time" LP and the "Sweet Sir Gallahad" cut - one of the sweetest songs I've ever heard. That one and "Love Song To A Stranger" from a subsequent LP but also from the Greatest Hits some folks have mentioned (which I mostly can't listen to). Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:46:58 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Randy's reply >No, I was just giving my opinion, which >others may or may not agree with. I didn't >know I was supposed to wait until >someone asked.   Randy, Please read my post again carefully. I never said, nor implied, that you were "supposed to wait until someone asked." I merely inquired if someone had asked for your/our preferences before I presumed to state mine. >I assume everyone has web access. Then you assume wrong. Ever hear of Juno? They provide e-mail, but no web access. There are probably others as well. Also many people get e-mail at work but do not have web access until they get home, if at all. >If >they don't, how do they bid, or even go to >eBay? Perhaps they know someone who does and they call or write that person and say, "I just saw something cool that I want from ebay. item #1234567. Please bid it for me, I'm stuck at work." Now, since we are no longer talking about Joni, I suggest we take this private should you feel the need to respond. Any public reply will most likely be met in kind regardless of content. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:04:44 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: catgirl's reply >I for one am not that kind of person. >Frankly, sharing seems easier. There is >always another book, another Cd, another >Bootleg right around the corner. Why bid >for it till it goes up to over $100.00. Who >really wins? The items do not get shared unless the purchaser shares them with the rest of the list, or those within his or her clique. The person who gets the item and feels it was worth whatever he paid, wins. >I am not into the penis topic. I think it is >kinda silly. Of course it is, but we don't go around telling people to stop, do we? I know i don't. That was my point. >Why not call this the Joni on eBay >discussion list and you can be head >auctioneer...bring your wallet buddy there >are almost 600 listers here! That was unfair and uncalled for. I am mostly a lurker on this list, this week notwithstanding. You, and some others post quite frequently. Have I ever commented on your content? No. Have I ever suggested that we call this the catgirl list, or the penis list? No. But you disagree with one post from a lurker and suddenly you imply that I'm somehow trying to take over proceedings? Nonsense. >Well now that we will be doing regula >postings about Joni on eBay, I really doubt >if their will be anymore bargains... Nonsense again. >like I said befor I won't be winning >anymore auctions on eBay and am just >gr8ful I got what I did when I did. ...and screw all the rest of you listers. Find out for yourselves and don't inflate the bids for me and my friends. Since we are no longer talking about Joni, I suggest we take this private, should you feel the need to respond. Any public reply will most likely be met in kind, regardless of content. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:19:57 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: mix tapes NJC The entire side of the Roxy Music album Avalon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:43:07 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: catgirl and Randy's reply gr8fuldave wrote: > >Since we are no longer talking about Joni, I suggest we take this > private, should you feel the need to respond. Any public reply will most > likely be met in kind, regardless of content. > What a great idea! And that way, you get the "last word" too! - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:50:02 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: mix tapes NJC Mark wrote: <<>> I just finished painstakingly making two tapes for working out/getting ready to go out/other situations where energy is a good thing, one called _Groove_ and the other called _Move_. G is loosely based around a hip-hop beat and M works around a high NRG/house beat. I'll include the track lists below just for kix. The amazing duo is a remix of Portishead's "Sour Times (Nobody Loves Me)" into the Black Eyed Peas' "Fallin' Up" on the _Groove_ tape. An almost identical chiming sound at the end of one track and the beginning of the other connects them. It's uncanny. <<>> If I was restricting it to more contemporary artists, I would add the Raincoats and the Slits, and maybe a Richard and Linda Thompson piece featuring Linda, and OF COURSE some Rufus and Dolly Parton. Labelle perhaps? If I was including older artists as well I would throw on some Ruth Brown, Aretha, maybe Laura Nyro or Supremes. - --Michael _Groove_: A Side Britney Spears, "...Baby One More Time" Mary J. Blige, "Everything" (So So Def Remix) Roots, "The Next Movement" Portishead, "Lot More" (which is a remix of "Sour Times" Black Eyed Peas, "Fallin' Up" Spearhead, "Tha Payroll (Stay Strong)" Everything But the Girl, "Before Today" (Dillinja Remix) All Saints, "Lady Marmalade" (Timbaland Remix) Public Enemy, "Shake Your Booty" TLC, "Silly Ho" Nas, "Dr. Knockboot" B Side Bryan Thomas, "Anymore" Luscious Jackson, "Naked Eye" (Totally Nude Mix) Madonna, "Waiting" Me'Shell NdegeOcello, "If That's Your Boyfriend (He Wasn't Last Night)" (Existential Meditation on the Probability of You Kissing My Mind Mix) Joni Mitchell, "Dry Cleaner from Des Moines" Digable Planets w/ Lester Bowi and Wah Wah Watson, "Flyin' High in the Brooklyn Sky" Pet Shop Boys, "To Step Aside" UNKLE, "Celestial Annihilation" Prince, "Bob George" _Move_: A Side Cassius, "Feelin' for You" Mary J. Blige, "Love Is All We Need" (DYMK Remix) Madonna, "Fever" (Hot Sweat 12" Remix) Brainbug, "Nightmare" (Original Sinister Strings Mix) Jody Watley, "When a Man Loves a Man" Kristine W, "Land of the Living" (Dekkard's Planet Remix) B Side Club 69, "Diva" (Pier Queen Dub) Pet Shop Boys, "Somewhere" (Trouser Enthusiasts Dub) Gloria Estefan, "Turn the Beat Around" (Turn the Bass Around Mix) Dolly Parton, "Peace Train" (Junior's Arena Anthem) M People, "Excited" (Judge Jules Remix) - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:55:19 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: catgirl and Randy's reply Phyliss chimes in with: >What a great idea! Thanks. >And that way, you get >the "last word" too! Not my intent at all. My intent was to spare folks from an off-topic discussion which you seem to want to perpetuate. Would you care to take this private as well? :) gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:51:15 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: CD Now Coupon Need to finish up your Joni collection? Here's a link to a $5 off coupon at CDNOW. http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=from=meb:y:cym:sgpg:a0004/leaf=from=sr-1857181#bottom_spiff - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Eleanor's Performance in Philadelphia (SJC at end) Hi everyone, First things first - ELEANOR ROCKS !!!!!! Last evening, I had the immense pleasure of seeing Eleanor McEvoy perform for the very first time. I was joined by fellow Follower Helen Cassidy and fellow Joni Mitchell lister (now Eleanor fan) Bernadette Gallagher at Finnegan's Wake We got there early enough to secure a table, front and center. We wanted to make sure Eleanor knew we were there to see her, so I made a small sign for the table that said "Brian Greene [her webmaster] sent us." It was propped up at the end of the table closest to the stage along with my copies of all three of her cds. There was no way she was going to miss us ! The band came on just after 10 and started into the opening parts of Precious Little, and out of the shadows emerges Eleanor, wireless microphone in hand. She was right in front of us !! It was the start of a heavenly evening. The setlist is as follows: Precious Little - vocals - walking thru the audience Where Is The Healing - guitar and vocals Please Heart You're Killing Me - guitar and vocals - dedicated to "the internet group" Easy To Lose Hope - vocals only - dedicated to the memory of Veronica Geary Only A Woman's Heart - guitar and vocals Did You Tell Him - vocals The Fire Overhead - guitar and vocals, then she picked up her fiddle (she played with such intensity that I could see a clous of rosin dust flying off the bowstrings) She and the band left the stage to the thunderous applause of the medium sized crowd, then returned for an encore Leave Her Now - fiddle and vocals (and some of her fiddle playing was reminiscent of Joni Mitchell's frequent percussive playing of her guitar) After more applause, the crew came out and began to pack up the stage :-( Helen went over to talk to Liam from the band and managed to get all 3 of us invited upstairs to meet Eleanor and get some autographs and a photo opportunity. I can't wait to see Helen's photos ! Eleanor is the nicest person you could ever want to meet. She said her arm is almost good as new, and that it could have been much worse. Thank goodness it wasn't. She said she was going to dedicate a song at tonight's performance in New York to Susan Blackwell, just to see how many people would get it. (Remember, she was the Follower with the unfortunate autoresponder problem?) Eleanor told us she had been on WXPN radio that afternoon on "The World Cafe," where the standard procedure is to have the day's guest play 4 of her own songs and 1 cover. And wouldn't you know it - Eleanor said she played Joni Mitchell's Carey. My two favorite singer-songwriters linked that way! And Eleanor copied the web addresses from my SIQUOMB shirt and said she would ckeck out the Joni Mitchell sites! Cool beans, as my 14 year old daughter says !! All in all, a wonderful evening. If you have the chance to catch her show at Fiddlesticks in NYC tonight, by all means, do it! She is also performing at the NY Fleadh tomorrow. Take care everyone, Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" J.M. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:22:59 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Eleanor's Performance In a message dated 6/25/99 1:17:43 PM Central Daylight Time, briangross@rocketmail.com writes: << First things first - ELEANOR ROCKS !!!!!! >> Thanks for the review Brian! As it was, I made it home in time to catch Jonatha Brooke, so I can add...JONATHA ROCKS !!! I actually missed the first two songs, but caught the rest of her show. She was in the little club around the corner from my house called The Handlebar (John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers are there in a couple weeks). I didn't keep up with her setlist, but I knew about half of what she played, she played a lot of new stuff from an album she'll be releasing this fall. She was outstanding! She obviously loves performing, she had a big grin on her face the whole time, and she's much prettier in person than on her record covers. I was unaware that she used so many wacky tunings like our Joni, but boy those are some strange chords. You play any of HER stuff, Terry? I also was unaware that she releases (beginning with Jonatha Live) her music on her own label that she runs. She even made the comment that "when you buy my record, I get the money and not some big conglomerate, and I get to keep writing and playing". It was an excellent show, she's gonna be touring solo all over the country all summer, so catch her when you can. Meanwhile, maybe Eleanor will show up down here as well.... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: pam tompkins Subject: Re: mix tapes NJC One of the most sensual albums of our time......eh? - --- MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > The entire side of the Roxy Music album Avalon. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:12:31 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Tape Tree #8, anyone? To all, especially "branches" out there who still have your master copies: Due to scheduling conflicts and my own delay in contacting him (I guess I really need to read those instructions more carefully! ;-) ), my branch will not be able to make a copy of Tape Tree #8 for me until the end of the summer. So I'm wondering: would any kind soul be able to dub me my very own TT8 in the very near future? I'm in the U.S.A. I have nothing to trade but my gratitude, but believe me, you'll have that in abundance! Take care, Mary P. P.S. While I'm at it, I wouldn't mind a copy of #7! ("Ask, and you shall receive!"). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:48:21 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: mix tapes NJC Mark or Travis wrote: > Do you ever stumble across a perfect sequencing of two songs? Oh, this thread is very close to home for me. I am a compulsive tape-maker :-) Most of my compliations centre around music from the late 80s onwards. I've done a few themed tapes in my time, the link based on anything from where the artists/bands hail from (a Scottish/Irish one turned out pretty good) to lyrical subject matter, to even just what month of a certain year they were originally released. Anyhow, during my most recent mix tape, I stumbled upon a trio of songs that - sequenced together - just blew me away. "Heaven On a Sunday" by McCartney (from Flaming pie), followed by "Life's A Miracle" from Prefab Sprout's Andromeda Heights CD, and culminating in "Tularosa" from Paul Young's Greg Penny-produced 1997 album. Gorgeous, simply gorgeous. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:57:28 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: mix tapes NJC mwyarbro@zzapp.org wrote: > > I just finished painstakingly making two tapes for working out/getting > ready to go out/other situations where energy is a good thing, > one called _Groove_ and the other called _Move_. G is loosely > based around a hip-hop beat and M works around a high NRG/house > beat. I'll include the track lists below just for kix. The > amazing duo is a remix of Portishead's "Sour Times (Nobody Loves > Me)" into the Black Eyed Peas' "Fallin' Up" on the _Groove_ tape. > An almost identical chiming sound at the end of one track and > the beginning of the other connects them. It's uncanny. Michael....I love your sense of musical aesthetics. Britney's Baby One More Time is my "can't get it outta my head, dammit" track for 1999 :-) Portishead, EBTG, Luscious Jackson, Prince , Madonna....yessssss! I'd love to listen to these tapes, though sevreal of the other selections I've either not heard of, or have never heard :o) Oh, BTW....for "trance-pop" fans...try BT's "Flaming June" into "Stay" by Sash! featuring La trec. Simply divine. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:17:19 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: joni vs johnny rotten NJC Joni vs Johnny Rotten? I'd take Joni in the third round, by a TKO. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:45:32 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Shawn Phillips (NJC) Pat wrote: "f you'd like to hear what I mean, go here: http://www.shawnphillips.com/discography.html and check out the realaudio *complete* songs from his 70's albums... a few of my favorites are 'breakthrough', 'hey miss lonely', and 'woman'... also, unlike Joni, he never achieved superstardom though he apparently still tours... I wouldn't be surprised to find a bunch of his fans on this list. *S*" Pat- Thanks so much for reminding me of Shawn's music. I forgot all about him. I hear his stuff in the mid seventies when I was in college and a girlfriend of mine was crazy about him and Jimmie Spheeris (whom I love as well). Peace, Michael NP-Maid of Coolmore-Legacy Nevan Irish Traditional Music ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:37:16 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: mix tapes NJC hey mark, this is a subject near and dear to my heart, i've made mushes for as long as i've had cassette recorders, in 1980 i started a series called female vocalist #? that is currently on number 10 (about a 1 1/2 years ago). my early tapes look a lot like yours, except i always lean towards ballads. mistral wind, what an amazing song. it may even have been a conversation between barbearuh and i that you are referring to. she has given me three of her annual christmas tapes, and they are magnificent constructions (she edits for a living, duh), interestingly themed and very listenable. in terms of sweet transitions, barbara's 'tree' tape has a transition from dee dee bridgewater's 'autumn leaves' to erykah badu's 'apple tree' that includes a slight crossfade. you can get that effect with a normal recorder, if you get lucky. one quirk of my tapes since the cd era is that they don't tend to include songs from my cds. i can get to those songs so easily, but i long more for gems i have only on tape, so i keep on dubbing them in. also, my taste unabashedly includes the experimental and the cheesy, and i think they sound just right next to each other. i have been inspired to tape more than ever by my membership in this community. i've exchanged many tapes with listers, tapes of minimalist music, current pop favorites, diva voices, almost every corner of my collection. i've received so many brilliant tapes as well, including a side of great soul divas from rob jordan that he was having trouble naming. his wife finally said 'why don't you just call it "women with loud voices"?'. and i've been inspired by the quality of others to make two of (imo) my best tapes ever, both at least partially shaped by jmdl conversations. couplanotes. mark isham on both (because of the sons of champlins) freur and underground, same band. and personally, tired eyes (by containe, a ny-local band) and blige's 'i love you' go together as well as any two songs on the planet. here are the track lists. - --into the vaults (june, 1998) side 1 todd rundgren the wheel me'shell ndegeocello mary magdalene serge gainsbourg & brigitte bardot bonny & clyde mc solaar nouveau western underworld stagger sons of champlin geoff's vibe queen of the rain containe tired eyes mary j. blige i love you donny iris ah, leah! side 2 freur doot - doot vodka diamonds the tubes my head is my only house unless it rains hugo largo eureka sylvester i need somebody to love tonight curve left of mother sweetest pie morrissey late night/maudlin street joan armatrading love and affection tom waits clap hands oddball one another (december?, 1998) his name is alive library girl the kitchens of distinction innocent marianne faithfull young girl blues david wilcox chet baker's unsung swan song pale saints king fade that glyph thing i can't make you love me dif juz the last day jane siberry the white tent the raft toni childs where's the ocean? side 2 marianne faithfull & mark isham trouble in mind sheila chandra one momus lucky like st. sebastien heidi berry cradle toby twining music shaman the spinanes watch down thomas dolby i love you, goodbye clannad coinleach glas an fhÙmhair marianne faithfull and mark isham the hawk (el gavrilan) patrick np - joni in tokyo, 83 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:13:11 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni; L.A. Punk and Disco (little JC and long) While bored at Jury Duty today I read through this week's L.A. Weekly and found several articles amazingly synchronomous to our recent art (outsider art is in) and music thread topics. This is officially-proclaimed "Music Week in L.A." and the Weekly supplement had a great article capsulizing the music of L.A. from the 1940s to present. Joni and Punk show up in the 70s. Here's some excerpts: "The 70s are revered/reviled as a kind of post-hippie, complacent/consumerist/ bad taste state of affairs for all concerned, and viewing the tapes now - cheesecloth shirts, shags, flares, muttonchop sideburns - that's an absolutely accurate assessment. Obviously the tumultuous '60s had knocked us for a loop, and we needed to get back to the country, or to Sherman Oaks. Remember the Eagles? Outsiders and insiders: We had Joni Mitchell here, too, a brilliant Canadian musician-poet with a gift for turning folk-derived music upside-down with new harmonies and daring warbles, a path that would lead her full-on into the realm of New Jazz and all manner of studio experimentalism. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young refined still further what was left of country music, riddling it with art-song voices sometimes reminiscent of the Lettermen. There was Rodney's English Disco, in 1972, where pseudo-British kids could cultivate their glittering rock fantasties, where visiting English lads could indulge their mum's-not-wathcing hooliganism, debauching with underage girls to the florid strains of Bowie, the Sweet and Roxy Music. By this time the Mothers of Invention were in full dark flower, Beefheart had shattered everything we thought we knew. Yet there came such a furiously complacent blanding-down in L.A. music, due largely to the swelling power of radio - rigid formats purveying rigidly played, smoothed-over music - and police pressure on club owners, and the general numbness that had come in retreat from the ominous vibes of the late 60s. Kim Fowley was still hanging around - he got us the Runaways, his half-glitter, half-protopunk girl band. We'd had enough thinking. And then it was time to dance: Disco reared its urban head, and most everyone applied the following sound to their records: sss-bump-sss-bump-sss-bump. Lines were drawn: you loved it or you hated it, never both, not yet. Disco became a scapegoat, especially when the Ramones in late 1976 and the next year the Sex Pistols and the Clash cued young L.A. punks to a new lifestyle of safety pins and torn jeans, sneers and spiky hair. Los Angeles seized hungrily on punk - in this palace of smashed dreams, it was a perfect fit. For the first time in eons, we actually had places to play, after years of clubs run as showcases for major-label aspirants, or as cover-band safe houses. There was the Masque, Madame Wong's, The Hong Kong Cafe, the ON Klub, the Music Machine, Cathay de Grande, Club Lingerie, Club 88, the Whisky, the Roxy, the Starwood - loads of mangy dives in which to vent and punch and spit. The scene produced its share of boneheads (the non-ironic kind), yet at its core seemed to undertsand the phenomenon's implications: The Screamers, the Germs, Nervous Gender, sort of like electric Abstract Expressionism, took punk entirely outside its original form and intent. The 70s? In L.A.? Extremes." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:58:38 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Bonnie Concert Review (NJC) Bob- Thanx for the Bonnie concert review. They were here last week at House of Blues, but I wasn not able to make it. My friend Hutch plays bass in her band and has done so for years. He called me while he was in town and I intended to go see him and hang out but could not work it out. Hutch told me did the Ricky Martin sessions, (collective ooooooooooo please) and been working in the crossover Latin thing in Miami with Secada, but I really digress. At the show here Art Neville sat in for almost an hour, Allen Toussaint, and Irma Thomas. Jon Cleary is a great player and is suppose to be Fess revisited. I was trying to get my camera people out there to do interviews, but that didnt work out either. It sounds like you had a great time at the show and I now wish I would have tried harder to attend. I was playing music at the time thought so I don't feel that bad and as a matter of fact I did Hello In There with a vocalist I am working with recently. I find that pretty cool that mention of this on the list at the same time (insert theme from Outer Limits OR Twilight Zone here). Peace Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:38:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Civilised Brits? (NJC) Krys & Geoff wrote: > In message , Randy Remote writes > > > >I don't think US punk ever got the press ink or reached a critical > >mass with the music buying public. Also UK society has always > >been more civil, > > I find it interesting to see other nationalities perceive us Brits as a > civilised lot - I don't think we are, on the whole, it's a bit of a > veneer. If you read our history you'll see how much violence and how > many wars we've suffered through the ages. We're pretty volatile still. > It's a seething undercurrent, growing bigger by the day as I see it, and > looking to other European countries and their troubles I worry that it's > just possible something like Kosovo could happen here too. > > One of the scariest things, for me, is that most recently we have a lot > of vandalism, affray and bad stuff going on at places like Stonehenge > and other sacred sites, something very dear to me. Whether this is the > far right/anarchist tendency infiltrating the generally peaceful groups > I don't know, but it's worrying and gives the gutter press exactly what > they are looking for - ammo to discredit the neo "love and peace" > generation. There was another riot in London last week. So, rather > than civilised, I would say that the UK character tends towards a > suppression that boils and seethes beneath the surface, then when it > erupts it's really nasty. > > Just a thought. > > Love and peace, > Krys XX Yes after I posted that I thought, maybe 'genteel' was a better word than civil, I thought about Ireland and realized you all have had your share of violence, too. The rest of your post is kind of unsettling, and I hope those trends do not continue, here or there. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:10:44 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: JAZZ TAKES ON JONI MITCHELL Arkadia Records told me yesterday that there will be an HMV booth on the grounds at the July 1 "Joni's Jazz" concert and it will be stocked with our CD. I will be downtown at JUDY's CHELSEA playing my regular Thursday night 6-10 shift in the piano bar. I hope the Central Park concert is a terrific night for all of you who make the trip. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:20:16 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: joni vs johnny rotten NJC Vince Lavieri wrote: > > Joni vs Johnny Rotten? > > I'd take Joni in the third round, by a TKO. I confess this is over my head like a 747 and request that you translate that into Canadian west coast island artiste cafe slang Rev...Thankyou ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-Where is Rocky when a guuuuurl needs him? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:23:25 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Eleanor's Performance In a message dated 6/25/99 3:27:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RMuRocks@AOL.COM writes: << I was unaware that she used so many wacky tunings like our Joni, but boy those are some strange chords. You play any of HER stuff, Terry? >> Bob, Thanks to our own Marian and Trey, I've slowly begun to learn some of her songs. She does play entirely in alternate tunings but has a very different picking/style from Joni's. I've just learned her 10 Cent Wings title track on piano, but damn..I sure can't sing like her. She IS wonderful, isn't she? She has a website where you can purchase her CDs at: Jonatha Brooke - Home or: http://www.jonathabrooke.com/ Terry, looking forward to her new release ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:41:04 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) Kakki wrote: > How would we explain how we learned to talk? We wouldn't ;~D Drop that frying pan! I know you really love my ways ;~D > What I learned from my friend at work was something new in > explaining more of the actual physical aspects of it. Yeah but you still haven't explained anything physical to us! You'd think this was some kinda trade secret and that there's a recipe depending on it...Can I get in on the baking? ;~D > singing a series of > strange, contorted sounds and that this serves to give you the awareness of > doing it "right". Ah, oui! Now we're getting somewhere!...the ooo, aaaoooooooow, whooos and the na, na, na nas? ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-Feelin' dern brattier than Dylan };~D ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #279 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?