From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #273 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 23 1999 Volume 04 : Number 273 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jonis Jazz [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The Boho Dance ["P. Henry" ] Re: You Are Your Car ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: You Are Your Car ["Eric Taylor" ] You Are Your Car ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: the high tidemark of the sixties [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Singer/songwriter debate (NJC) [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbo] Re: You Are Your Car [Don Rowe ] Re: Southern Comfort [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni vs. Joan [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Iain Matthews & Amelia Earheart ["Paul Castle" ] Re: JoNi & eBaY [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Shawn Phillips (VLJC) [pam tompkins ] Re: blue [Bounced Message ] RE: Southern Comfort (jc) ["patrick leader" ] eBay correction [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] This week's Joni on eBay [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: The Political Joni Mitchell ["Kakki" ] RE: RE: Southern Comfort (jc) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] My Two-Cents about eBay (JC) [mann@chicagonet.net] My Two-Cents about eBay (JC) [mann@chicagonet.net] tape tree #2 [Casey Certis-Milby ] joy askew (vljc) (was NJC: re E-bay, etc.) [Bounced Message ] Moses & The NRA ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: JoNi & eBaY [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Fred Simon gigorandum (not directly about Joni but we do have JC in our blood) [FredNow@] Laura Nyro (NJC) [Wally Breese ] Re: JoNi & eBaY ["Kakki" ] Re: You Are Your Car [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:37:31 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Jonis Jazz Christopher Kornmann wrote: > Forgive me if this has already been posted. I have been off-line for a > while, but one of my favorite performers, Joy Askew will be a part of > “Joni’s Jazz” — a special tribute to Joni Mitchell taking place at > Summerstage in Central Park, NYC on Thursday, July 1st at 7:30pm. She’ll > be performing “Down To You” with Joe Jackson on piano and opening the > second set with one of my favorites “Coyote”. She will also be playing > with the band throughout the show. Joe Jackson? Great! This keeps getting better, folks. Get your tickets NOW. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:51:29 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: The Boho Dance I have shared my thoughts on Joni's commitment to art and refusal to compromise, very much related to this thread, before, so I won't repeat myself... (*this* time! LoL!) I just wanted to address the comments that were mead that the song may have been talking about Chuck... ummm, considering the time frame and how long it had been that they were apart when this song was written, isn't this kind of a stretch??? pat NP: Boho Dance Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:35:58 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: You Are Your Car I wrote: > Last night I watched The Pirates Of Silicon Valley on TNT & wonder what the > art snobs think about Steve Jobs quoting Picasso, & Bill Gates quoting Van > Gogh, as saying: "A good artist copies but a great artist steals"? Debra responded: > Art snobs? You mean anyone that knows more about art than you do? > You throw an insult like that out and you think you're going to get an > answer? > Think again. You're reading an insult into my comment that was not directed at the JMDL but rather the art world at large. Granted I get miffed that many people on this list dismiss Joni's paintings as unoriginal and exclude her from the long thread about great artists of the 20th Century. Does the fact that I enjoy Joni's paintings a lot more than Picasso's mean that I know little about art? Think about that.... E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:44:36 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: You Are Your Car Marcel wrote: << When one finds oneself quoting cheezy TV shows to make a statement its time to stop watching TV and start reading great books. >> Thank you for reducing my long heartfelt post into an insulting one-liner, Marcel. You Are Your Car raised many good questions and all people have responded to is my sarcastic closing sentence. Why did I waste an hour composing it? Sorry! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:46:56 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: You Are Your Car Driving all weekend thru the mountains of Pennsylvania & West Virginia in my beat up '80 Dodge Aspen (without a radio), experiencing judgmental looks from BMW drivers I passed & cops I slowed down for, a Joniesque song began playing in my brain: You Are Your Car. Sort of a combination of Otis & Marlena & Shiny Toys with a little Dreamland thrown in, I was unable to articulate the utter superficiality of a culture that equates sexuality & social status with what vehicle one drives. On my hejira I contemplated Joni doing an album of cover songs, thinking back to the last time she did that with Mingus, & got a little concerned for her career! Will the pop purists & jazz snobs treat her the same way this time around? Then it occurred to me that Joni will definately incorporate an original song & plenty of cutting-edge artwork into this project. If you're out there, Joni, please consider You Are Your Car for a song or, better yet, a painting.... When I returned home to 3 affection-starved cats & 86 emails I noticed a tiny jmdl thread on Joni's recent "lazy" guitar work while scrolling & deleting like mad. How could I possibly NOT respond to this completely uninformed statement? I find that most people are stuck musically in one era or style - usually what was playing in high school or college. & I find this quite pathetic! Our ability to appreciate innovation & new creations is what keeps us young. I mean, just contemplate what your grandparents & parents said about Sinatra, Elvis & The Beatles. That's what made them OLD! What I find so refreshing about Taming The Tiger & Painting With Words & Music is Joni's stripped-down renditions of her complex chords & rhythms (they complain when it's too hot & they complain when it's too cool). Well fuck 'em! You're sounding better than ever, Joni, & if it's because you had polio as a child, or you just like the new stripped-down sound of the VG-8, MORE POWER TO YOU! I love the deep subdued mood of TTT & PWW&M!!! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:45:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: the high tidemark of the sixties Julius exclaims: <> Boy, first my ass is smart, then my bladder is big, now I'm without a heart...I'm startin' to feel like some kind of anatomical wonder! (although not in the ways I'd like to be, unfortunately :~D) I didn't mean anything negative about Blue by using the phrase "emotional vomiting" Julius, although it sounds disgusting, I was just referring to the process where you try to get in touch with the depth of your emotions and get them out. Perhaps I've never had any (disappointments)?!? Whaddya think, I live in a vaccuum? :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:47:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Re: Singer/songwriter debate (NJC) Speaking of Bonnie Raitt, Bob wrote: <> I did have the great pleasure of hearing Bonnie do "Midway" live and accoustic about ten years ago at a benefit in Portland. Of course, gracious Bonnie gave Joni full credit and much praise in stating "although I rarely pull it out, it's one of my all time favorite songs I've ever had the great honor of recording." Wonderful night of accoustic music, Bonnie had Freebo with her playing tuba (not on "Midway"), Ann and Nancy Wilson were down from Seattle that night too. In a wonderful venue, to boot! Penny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:07:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: You Are Your Car Eric wonders whether or not Joni's upcoming "standards" project will harken ... > > back to the last time she did that with Mingus, & > got a little concerned for > her career! Will the pop purists & jazz snobs treat > her the same way this > time around? I fear that I shared a bit of Eric's premature trepidation about this. But then I realized who we are talking about ... Joni Mitchell, the original Ms. "Who Cares What the Critics Think or Say." And to this I say, more power to her -- we've had our rounds about critics on this list -- so we'd best gird ourselves for a healthy round a pooh-poohers and other nose upturnings. Oh it will all happen again, I'm sure. The negative reviews, heavily seasoned with snide sound-bites about how the once-great Joni Mitchell is "burned out" and "over the hill". Hell, they've been waiting almost 40 years to get those cracks in -- don't think they'll miss their chance and the point all at the same time when the new album comes out. Joni is old and wise enough to take it -- and so should we. Can I get a witness? Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:26:14 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Southern Comfort In a message dated 6/22/99 1:56:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philipf@tinet.ie writes: << >Ian Matthews band was actually called Matthews' Southern Comfort. He was >previously in Fairport Convention. MSC were a UK band and "Their version of >Woodstock was a soft country interpretation of Joni Mitchell's song and >reached No. 1 in the UK, and the Top 20 in the US > thanks Helen for the correction, I should have said it was Matthews with a band and not as a solo artist. I remember Joni posing with them on the cover of a magazine and looking fairly excited about having a number one hit. >>I'm not sure his version even REACHED the U.S. at all. >>Paul I Top 20 isn't bad I suppose, >> Top 20 is pretty good indeed. Well, I have heard of Matthews Southern Comfort, though I could not have told you where they were from or anything they did. They apparently did not get nearly as much airplay in the Midwest's capital of Chicago as they did in LA or NY. Still, I'll bet the CSN version of Woodstock went higher on the charts and got a LOT more airplay in the US than the MSC version. I don't mean to take anything away from MSC in saying so, but CSN was a much bigger band in those days and still is. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:44:15 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Joni vs. Joan In response to all of the song writing and musical abilities of Joni verses Joan, one must acknowledge that each one has her triumphs and victories thoughout their creative careers, and from both we can find nourishment and role models for our souls. I remember back in the 70's - not sure exactly when - Joan had the balls to stand in the audience and perform when they wouldn't give her access to the stage because of her political agenda. I believe it was Argentina (not sure), but it was to fight for the violation of human-rights. Now they could have mowed her down with a machine gun but she saw an injustice to a group of suppressed and oppressed people who needed a voice to make a change. In her role as a catalyst for these people, to me she should be sainted. As well, Joni should be sainted for pointing out the injustices to the American Indians, the peoples of Ethiopia, the desecration of this planet, the Catholic Church in the Magdalene Laundries, etc.! Both have done more for many causes, than any of us for even one cause. Therefore, I feel that to criticize their short comings and creative abilities becomes kind of an oxymoron on our part. I'm quite pleased that they are both in this world and only hope I can be even a fraction of what they are in "The Great Spirit's" eyes... Joan wrote a book back in the late 60's called "Daybreak," only available in paperback at the time. After reading that book I knew that she was the type of human being I wanted to become. A quote from the book as I recall goes something along these lines: Jesus gold and silver standing naked in a room full of modern men, how dare you. You have no briefcase, no helmet, or no gun! Jesus gold and silver, only you and I can make sure there is a sunrise each new coming daybreak. If not it will burn itself out in sorrow. Just a little thought. a group hug from, Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:01:17 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Iain Matthews & Amelia Earheart Paul I at IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote >Not only can I safely say that Ian Matthews' version did NOT reach #1 in >the U.S., I'm not sure his version even REACHED the U.S. at all. Who is he? >Never heard of him. Sorry - Helen and Steve have already answered this but it has led me to other small but interesting Joni connections. Iain was indeed an early member of Fairport Convention - along with Ashley Hutchings, Richard Thompson & Judy Dyble (and later Sandy Denny - sigh!) - Fairport, who used to perform various Joni covers including Night in the City, I Don't Know Where I Stand, Marcie, Chelsea Morning and Eastern Rain, played on the same bill as Joni at The Festival Hall with Jackson C. Frank and Al Stewart at an event called 'The Festival of Contemporary Song' back in 1968 (wish I'd seen that!! - was anyone on the list actually there?). Iain left Fairport in 1969 to form Matthews Southern Comfort. To their surprise, they topped the UK singles chart with a version of Joni's Woodstock, resulting in an appearance on the famous British TV program 'Top of the Pops' with the host introducing this week's #1 by Matthews Southern Comfort and all the dancing kids turning around wondering "who the hell are these guys ?" (quote Iain Matthews) - so you're not the only one, Paul. After making a few solo albums he formed 'Plainsong' and recorded a well-respected album IN SEARCH OF AMELIA EARHART in 1972. The American aviator, the first woman to fly solo across the Atlantic, who went missing in mysterious circumstances in 1937 (?), was, I'm sure, Joni's 'Amelia' on Hejira. I hope no one minds me using up bandwidth to print all the lyrics to this great song. AMELIA I was driving across the burning desert When I spotted six jet planes Leaving six white vapor trails across the bleak terrain It was the hexagram of the heavens it was the strings of my guitar Amelia, it was just a false alarm The drone of flying engines Is a song so wild and blue It scrambles time and seasons if it gets thru to you Then your life becomes a travelogue Of picture-post-card-charms Amelia, it was just a false alarm People will tell you where they've gone They'll tell you where to go But till you get there yourself you never really know Where some have found their paradise Other's just come to harm Oh Amelia, it was just a false alarm I wish that he was here tonight It's so hard to obey His sad request of me to kindly stay away So this is how I hide the hurt As the road leads cursed and charmed I tell Amelia, it was just a false alarm A ghost of aviation She was swallowed by the sky Or by the sea, like me she had a dream to fly Like Icarus ascending On beautiful foolish arms Amelia, it was just a false alarm Maybe I've never really loved I guess that is the truth I've spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitude And looking down on everything I crashed into his arms Amelia, it was just a false alarm I pulled into the Cactus Tree Motel To shower off the dust And I slept on the strange pillows of my wanderlust I dreamed of 747s Over geometric farms Dreams, Amelia, dreams and false alarms - ------------ This has got me interested in Amelia Earheart - she appears to have inspired several other writers including Patti Smith, I see. Is there a good book I should read? PaulC PS - off to the Glastonbury Festival tomorrow - playing on the Green Band Stand Stage (near the Field of Avalon) on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, not sure of the times yet - in fiddler Fliss Premru's band The Flisspots - haven't been in a tent for years - hope it doesn't sink!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:31:30 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: JoNi & eBaY simon posted this very valuable and informative information directly as a result of Jim's eBay alert, proving further the valididity and value of such postings as Jim's: >Jimbo, >there's nothing nifty about this. as Neil >Young would say, this 'Posall and Mosalm' >LP is a real Piece Of Crap (POC). >this is absolutely one of the *worst* >sounding Pieces Of Sh*t (POS) i've ever >heard i my life. >besides, this music was made available to >JMDL members on TapeTree #3. the >complete program, not the bits 'n' pieces >offered up by Bootlegger$. >the contents are listed below. >for now ~ take care, >- ------- >simon >- ------- Thank you, simon and Jim. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:38:55 -0700 (PDT) From: pam tompkins Subject: Re: Shawn Phillips (VLJC) I was stopped while I muddle through all my emails by the reference to Shawn Phillips. I was lucky enough to see him in a very small club about 10 years ago during the "Beyond Here Be Dragons" phase. He has such a wonderful aura and you have to love his music! Thanks for the update, hadnt thought about checking him out on the internet! PJT - --- "P. Henry" wrote: > > hey gang, > I just stumbled upon an old favorite of mine, Shawn > Phillips, another great singer/songwriter from the > old days who, like Joni, wrote some great songs and > had a phenomenal voice and a charismatic > presentation. also like Joni he started out in the > mid 60's, although then he was a rather unremarkable > folksinger, doing mostly trad folk covers (and > frankly I did better on some of those songs than he > did) with only a few of his own songs. I did not > become aware of him until ten years later when he > was hitting his peak and let me tell you, he was > awesome! if you'd like to hear what I mean, go here: > http://www.shawnphillips.com/discography.html and > check out the realaudio *complete* songs from his > 70's albums... a few of my favorites are > 'breakthrough', 'hey miss lonely', and 'woman'... > also, unlike Joni, he never achieved superstardom > though he apparently still tours... I wouldn't be > surprised to find a bunch of his fans on this list. > *S* > > pat > > > > NP: (of course) Hey Miss Lonely - S. Phillips > > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. > http://www.angelfire.com > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:55:29 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: blue Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kim Beretta > << are there any other blue fans out there? >> Ditto!! I had two favorite albums in highschool, "Song for a Seagull" and "Blue." "Blue" was the definite favorite. I used to set the record player on "repeat" and play that album over, and over, and over again. Believe it or not, it cheered me up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:59:21 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Southern Comfort (jc) paul wrote, calmly: >Top 20 is pretty good indeed. Well, I have heard of Matthews Southern Comfort, though I could >not have told you where they were from or anything they did. They apparently >did not get nearly as much airplay in the Midwest's capital of Chicago as they >did in LA or NY. > Still, I'll bet the CSN version of Woodstock went higher on the >charts and got a LOT more airplay in the US than the MSC version. > I don't mean to take anything away from MSC in saying so, but >CSN was a much bigger band in those days and still is. and he's absolutely right. it's not at all apples and oranges to say that, whatever matthews southern comfort did with the song, it didn't have anything like the impact that csny's version did. they were the ones who sang the life into the song, to reverse ange's awful expression. the song is an icon because of crosby, stills, nash and young, and even as we enjoyed joni's wonderful renditions of the song last year, we knew that. and i personally think their version is better than any of joni's. descriptions of msc's version, and the musical talent behind it, make me want to hear it. still, it's only recently i've learned that england got local, and sometimes very inferior versions of the best of pop writing of the time. this from a recent bert bachrach special. in the late '60s, when dionne warwick was recording and having a hit with each new bachrach/david composition, instead of being released in england they were being recorded by one cilla black. the show presented it as a sort of competition between the singers, but all i could think was 'oh you poor sods.' almost as bad as pat boone rerecording great r'n'b songs in the '50s. patrick np - some old concert performance of 'case of you' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:00:51 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: eBay correction I'm sorry to see that Dr Pepper still has three of his tape auctions still up, including Joni, Kingfish, and Betts. http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=drpepper4 The other 16 are gone. I'm glad to see that no-one has bid on the Betts or Kingfish, but I'm sorry to see someone has bid $26 on the JONI tape from Philly '66, which is more than likely the same material on the Tape Trees. Hopefully, these last three auctions will be cancelled as well. I'm pretty certain Joni's management would not approve. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:19:14 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: This week's Joni on eBay Here is a list of the current auctions of Joni stuff available through this coming Saturday. Each item is followed by it's current bid as of this posting, and the date & time the auction expires. I purposely left off Dr. Pepper's auction and I would discourage people from bidding on anything that appears to be a bootleg copy of Joni's work. Further descriptions of these items are available at eBay. And I am not affiliated with nor selling anything on eBay. 116787289 JamesTaylor, Carole King, Joni Mitchell, 1973 $8.99 06/22 19:19 118343671 Joni Mitchell-Hissing of the Summer Lawns SS $6.00 06/22 21:13 118418333 Joni Mitchell U.S. PROMO Poster-"Dog Eat Dog" $10.49 06/23 05:38 119670557 JONI MITCHELL Featured Network MAGAZINE 12-94 $6.00 06/23 17:27 119676866 JONI MITCHELL Access 11-94 CANADIAN MAGAZINE $6.00 06/23 17:39 117278275 Joni Mitchell-RARE INCREDIBLE 1st lp $6.95 06/23 19:25 117281012 Joni Mitchell-Court and Spark-RARE NM lp $6.95 06/23 19:28 117324460 JONI MITCHELL song book HEJIRA $41.00 06/23 20:31 118863468 JONI MITCHELL CASHBOX 1973 VINTAGE JONI !! $24.99 6/23 21:03 117381630 Live Joni Mitchell-Cranberries-Jackson Browne $12.50 6/23 22:45 117387072 RARE JONI MITCHELL SHADOWS & LIGHT VIDEO OOP $11.07 6/23 23:08 117632521 Joni Mitchell/Court Spark/DCC Gold CD/Sealed $45.00 06/24 16:32 119366270 GORGEOUS 8x10 Joni Mitchell! L@@K $8.00 06/24 20:52 117842991 Joni Mitchell - Shadows and Light, Rare Laser $11.50 06/24 22:23 119421402 JONI MITCHELL*The Complete Poems and Lyrics* $2.75 06/24 23:43 117911254 Joni Mitchell magazine 1974 Music..... $9.99 06/25 07:43 119482786 The Music of Joni Mitchell songbook $10.00 06/25 08:30 117928354 Joni Mitchell SEALED LP Record $9.99 06/25 08:37 119528705 Joni Mitchell Time 12/16/74 $9.99 06/25 11:03 119559663 Joni Mitchell Songbook Vol. 1 (1966-70) $15.50 06/25 12:35 119565683 Joni Mitchell Songbook Vol. 2 $41.00 06/25 12:53 118055595 Joni Mitchell: 2 ALBUMS! Great Shape! No RES! $4.99 06/25 13:56 119663776 CD - Joni Mitchell - Wild Things Run Fast $1.00 06/25 17:13 118169234 Greatest Hits: JONI MITCHELL -Still Sealed CD $8.00 06/25 17:37 120692136 BOB DYLAN,JONI MITCHELL,VAN MORRISON T-SHIRT $7.99 06/25 20:25 120705840 NEW UNUSED/JONI MITCHELL HITS $5.00 06/25 20:46 120004761 Joni Mitchell & The L.A. Express LP $7.50 06/26 14:13 118612657 JONI MITCHELL 1970s Scrapbook 150+ clippings $29.00 06/26 14:35 118613883 * JONI MITCHELL signed 8x10 photo w/COA *UACC $50.00 06/26 14:37 120019011 Elvis Costello/Joni Mitchell mispressing $15.00 06/26 14:48 121149262 Joni Mitchell "Night Ride Home" ltd deluxe CD $5.00 006/26 20:15 118862464 3 from 10 Joni Mitchell CD 's, Cassettes & LP $15.50 06/26 21:02 120214757 The Who, CSN,Joni Mitchell 8-tracks,mag,stubs $4.99 06/26 21:13 120245193 JONI MITCHELL songbook (read) $4.99 06/26 22:58 gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:45:00 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The Political Joni Mitchell How about: Borderline Tax Free The Three Great Stimulants The Fiddle and the Drum Love Don't Interrupt the Sorrow The Arrangement Phyliss and Don wrote: > How about.. > Banquet > Sex Kills > > > > > 1. Otis and Marlena > > 2. Dog Eat Dog > > 3. Ethiopia > > 4. No Apologies > > 5. The Magdalene Laundries > > 6. Not To Blame > > 7. Fiction > > 8. Cherokee Louise > > 9. Beat of Black Wings > > 10. Big Yellow Taxi > > 11. Lakota > > 12. Passion Play > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Phyliss > pward@lightspeed.net > http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:13:02 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: RE: Southern Comfort (jc) Patrick wrote: <<>> I suppose now is as good a time as any to mention that I have never to my knowledge heard the CSN "Woodstock." [gasp!] - --Michael P.S. I'm definitely on for Joni's Jazz. See everybody there!! - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:20:42 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: My Two-Cents about eBay (JC) Okay.........I have to jump in here. I am a buyer and seller on eBay. Personally, I really do appreciate the alerts of Joni stuff on eBay. Altho, I check under JONI almost every day......I ocassionally miss something.... as the number of auctions are growing.........and that's a good sign for Joni and fans! I also have purchased some great Joni Mitchell items on eBay.........as well as replaced items I threw out or gave away a long time ago and wish I had kept. (that old Time magazine being one of them) I, like others, have gotten some really neat Joni stuff there is NO WAY I'd ever get without eBay or Amazon auctions. One of my first finds/buys on eBay I forwarded to Ashara's last year..........as a giveaway prize to one of the JMDL's that attended........my way of contributing since I could not attend. So PLEASE DO NOT include me in the group of people who don't want to be notified of auctions regarding Joni goodies on eBay. I like the Joni auction posts. It's all Joni related to me! Laura FUN FREEBIES (NJC): Free Bottle of Tilex http://apps.hearstnewmedia.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+APPSSURVEYSQuestionnaire?domain_id=164&survey_id=528 Free Lipstick (featured in New Woman magazine) www.nycos.com Popeye Vitamin Free Sample (for the kiddies) http://www.popeyevitamins.com/ $10 off your first $20 purchase http://www.yourpharmacy.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:24:35 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: My Two-Cents about eBay (JC) Okay.........I have to jump in here. I am a buyer and seller on eBay. Personally, I really do appreciate the alerts of Joni stuff on eBay. Altho, I check under JONI almost every day......I ocassionally miss something.... as the number of auctions are growing.........and that's a good sign for Joni and fans! I also have purchased some great Joni Mitchell items on eBay.........as well as replaced items I threw out or gave away a long time ago and wish I had kept. (that old Time magazine being one of them) I, like others, have gotten some really neat Joni stuff there is NO WAY I'd ever get without eBay or Amazon auctions. One of my first finds/buys on eBay I forwarded to Ashara's last year..........as a giveaway prize to one of the JMDL's that attended........my way of contributing since I could not attend. So PLEASE DO NOT include me in the group of people who don't want to be notified of auctions regarding Joni goodies on eBay. I like the Joni auction posts. It's all Joni related to me! Laura FUN FREEBIES (NJC): Free Bottle of Tilex http://apps.hearstnewmedia.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+APPSSURVEYSQuestionnaire?domain_id=164&survey_id=528 Free Lipstick (featured in New Woman magazine) www.nycos.com Popeye Vitamin Free Sample (for the kiddies) http://www.popeyevitamins.com/ $10 off your first $20 purchase http://www.yourpharmacy.com/ BigStar Gift Certificate You can go to their gifts for <$10 and get away with only paying shipping and handling (which is UPS standard $3.93, but the leftover money from the certificate goes over to cover some shipping too). http://www.bigstar.com/coupon/?code=biggift10&aff=-1&banid=3201 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:07:35 -0700 From: Casey Certis-Milby Subject: tape tree #2 i bet if you make a request here on the JMDL ... one of the Branches from TT#2 will contact you and offer to spin dubs for you. I'm not Evian, but I would love to have a copy of this tape tree. Please, anyone who is able, contact me and let me know what I have to do. Being childless. I have no first born son to offer, but... Thank you, Casey - -- "It is good to have an end to journey towards; but it is the journey that matters in the end." U.K.LeG. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:27:41 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: joy askew (vljc) (was NJC: re E-bay, etc.) From: "patrick leader" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:48:24 -0400 kate wrote: >I do get some near-spam > occasionally from Christopher about Joy Askew <> delight. (whew!) chris first posted to the list about joy askew. there was joni content, because she has a couple of covers in her rep, and her performance background includes gigs with musicians many of us admire, joe jackson, peter gabriel, laurie anderson. i went to the show on his recommendation and discovered an artist of the highest caliber. anyone who knows me knows how much i've enjoyed her performances, i've seen her five times in 8 months and bought all her cds. i've also met chris, a sweet man and enthusiastic music fan. it's very hard to demonize people like this. this is all to say why i ignore peter holmstedt's posts though they do seem commercial. it takes very little effort to delete, even these. i haven't experimented much with filtering software, but it must be possible to filter all e-bay mentions, or all holmstedt posts, if they are bothering you. instead of bitching. kate added: > What I DO find a little repugnant about this issue is Paul's use of the > word "we" in his objections. amen, kate. a very, very, very, very good point. (yep, 4 verys). i know we feel a great sense of community here, but the 'royal' we has become far too 'common'. and though i've met paul and know that he can be much nicer and more interesting than he is on list i have to vote: least likely to be part of a jmdl.com consensus: paul ivice. so, paul, please stop trying to speak for anyone but yourself. patrick np - sunny sunday ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:48:04 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Mingus Vinyl Gatefold? Trying to settle a mystery here -- one recollection has that Mingus is not a gatefold; another recollection is that it is. Concensus, please? Anybody know what a white label promo of Mingus is worth? Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:58:51 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: You Are Your Car/"Art snobs" NJC >In regard to art, I believe there exists a more invisible obstacle and that >is the attitude that art is just for "art snobs". It's really too bad. > I don't know about any one else but I LOVE going to museums! I now study art history and I'm getting back into my drawing (using pastels at present). I don't consider myself an art snob ..... just passionate about creativity ... just as I am a passionate follower of Joni's music. I love my art pals on the list and loved the recent banter from Terry and Patrick on abstract expressionists. BTW - there is a comercial that I saw on TV recently (I think for Jaguars) with a woman singing in the background. Her voice is rich and sexy. Anyone know who this is?? Heather (who drives a Honda) (also I became a Grandmother yesterday. My granddaughter was 4 weeks early and is doing just fine) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:03:34 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: The Political Joni Mitchell At 07:58 AM 6/22/99 -0700, you wrote: >Don Rowe wrote: > >> I'm sure there are MANY others that are escaping me now, as I must >> hurry >> off to do some "real work" ... >> > And Phyliss writes: >How about.. >Banquet >Sex Kills > Has anyone ever noticed how there is a strain in how Joni sings Banquet? I find it very interesting how she did this given the topic of the song. It makes it even more moving for me. Just 0.02 cents Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:46:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) Don, this is so true: > there is every bit as much > talent involved in singing as there is in playing a > musical instrument, or composing lyrics. Stong > vocalists use their vocal chords the way Joni uses the > strings of her guitar, and must not only be blessed > with innate physical characteristics, but a mental > toughness and awareness of their own shortcomings in > order to continually improve their technique. Singing > is every bit as physicallly demanding as playing an > instrument, in some cases, more so -- and also > requires every bit as much dedication and > concentration as musical composition. Some do give the illusion that it is so effortless - that just shows how great they really are. Sarah Vaughn stands foremost in my own personal experience of this (mindblowing). This also makes me think of something I've discussed with another jimdle offlist about Joni's vocal technique. A woman I work with is a professional (mostly jazz) singer and she has discussed with me the (new?) preferred technique of learning to sing with your vocal chords closed, rather than open. Most people naturally tend to sing with them open. It is initially more difficult to sing with them closed but in the long run that method gives you much greater range and breath and saves your vocal chords. I did a little rough experiment with this myself and did experience an enormous difference between the two methods - there was a quite significant improvement when I sang with them closed. I'm know I'm stepping out on a shaky limb to suggest this, (and please don't flame me too badly) but I'm wondering if Joni is attuned to this? O.K. we all love her and her many voices, no matter what, but she would definitely sound better, be able to hit the higher notes, and lose any breathiness with the "closed" approach. Maybe she *is* already attuned to this, seeing how much her vocal performance improved significantly over last year. I'm wondering if the professional vocalists on the list have any opinion on this? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:37:50 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Moses & The NRA Now here's another title I'd love to hear Joni cover! I can just picture Charlton Heston narrating in the background as she puts music to The Ten Commandments with a thirteen gun salute keeping the beat like the wolf in Lindsey.... (Please remember to add NJC to the subject line if you loose sight of the Joni context....) ;~Q E.T. NP: Paprika Plains ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:14:14 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JoNi & eBaY In a message dated 6/22/99 5:33:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kb420@webtv.net writes: << simon posted this very valuable and informative information directly as a result of Jim's eBay alert, proving further the validity and value of such postings as Jim's: >Jimbo, >there's nothing nifty about this. as Neil >Young would say, this 'Posall and Mosalm' >LP is a real Piece Of Crap (POC). >this is absolutely one of the *worst* >sounding Pieces Of Sh*t (POS) i've ever >heard i my life. >> Excuse me, but how does this validate the original posting on the subject? To me, it sys that if Jim knew what he was posting about, he would not have bothered to say anything. Instead, he may have suckered someone into bidding on something that was a waste of money, especially if we did not have a resource like Simon to pull the wool away from everyone's eyes. In other words, what I'm saying is that unless you are personally familiar with the item, its quality and its real value, you are only doing a disservice to the members of this list by notifying them of the item's availability in the auction. On the other hand, if you know the item is real quality and a real bargain, you're probably stupid to let other people know about it who might outbid you for it. So if the two above statements are true, where does that leave anyone who might want to follow Jim's example? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:19:22 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Fred Simon gigorandum (not directly about Joni but we do have JC in our blood) Friends and well-wishers, I hope you all can come out to hear this special gig, featuring the great music of guitarist Dave Onderdonk. As some of you know, Dave and I have been playing together for more than 32 years and it's always a big treat. Also, my wife Sarah Allen will be drumming with us, and that will be a big treat as well, as will playing with Jon Paul on bass, who has gigged often with Dave in Fareed Haque's band, and in a trio with Sarah and me. Hope to see you there. Fred Simon ========================================================================== DAVE ONDERDONK QUARTET Dave Onderdonk - guitar • Fred Simon - piano • Sarah Allen - drums • Jon Paul - - bass Saturday, June 26, 1999 • 9:00 p.m. - 1:00 a.m. Pop's For Champagne • 2934 N. Sheffield, Chicago • for information (773) 472.1000 ***KEEP COOL; PROCESS PROMPTLY*** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 99 22:40:20 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Laura Nyro (NJC) Hi folks, I just received this message from Glen Stegner, who runs a great Laura Nyro Website. In case there's anyone interested: Dear Laura Nyro fans: I am sending this message as a favor to Susan Engel, archivist of Laura Nyro memorabilia and a major contributor of rare pictures and articles to my Laura Nyro website (http://LauraNyro.net). If you are interested, please direct your inquiries to her at: AHaley7187@aol.com - ------------------------------------------- Susan Engel, "QLS" as she has been known for years in Laura Nyro circles, is liquidating all of her Laura Nyro archives, including music, press kits, articles, and more -- 10 years worth of serious collecting! Sale of all items will be through EBay (http://www.ebay.com) and will start at the end of September. Some material will be posted at EBay sooner. Susan will be at AHaley7187@aol.com for the next couple of months if you are interested in contacting her about details, dates, etc. As most of you know, Susan has the most extensive collection of Laura material and she wanted all of you to know before others that this event is upcoming in the fall. - ------------- Later, Wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:22:09 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JoNi & eBaY Oh puhleeeze, you guys, puhleeeze! Kakki > In a message dated 6/22/99 5:33:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kb420@webtv.net > writes: > > << simon posted this very valuable and informative information directly as > a result of Jim's eBay alert, proving further the validity and value > of such postings as Jim's: > > >Jimbo, > >there's nothing nifty about this. as Neil > >Young would say, this 'Posall and Mosalm' > >LP is a real Piece Of Crap (POC). > >this is absolutely one of the *worst* > >sounding Pieces Of Sh*t (POS) i've ever > >heard i my life. >> > > Excuse me, but how does this validate the original posting on the subject? > To me, it sys that if Jim knew what he was posting about, he would not have > bothered to say anything. Instead, he may have suckered someone into bidding > on something that was a waste of money, especially if we did not have a > resource like Simon to pull the wool away from everyone's eyes. > In other words, what I'm saying is that unless you are personally familiar > with the item, its quality and its real value, you are only doing a > disservice to the members of this list by notifying them of the item's > availability in the auction. > On the other hand, if you know the item is real quality and a real bargain, > you're probably stupid to let other people know about it who might outbid you > for it. > So if the two above statements are true, where does that leave anyone who > might want to follow Jim's example? > > Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:42:44 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: You Are Your Car Sweet Don Rowe-ing the rapids wrote: > Oh it will all happen again, I'm sure. The negative > reviews, heavily seasoned with snide sound-bites about > how the once-great Joni Mitchell is "burned out" and > "over the hill". Hell, they've been waiting almost 40 > years to get those cracks in -- don't think they'll > miss their chance and the point all at the same time > when the new album comes out. :~D I'm laughing so hard I can't type much...Joni certainly has come in for more than her fair share of dissing over the years...but then she is larger than Paul Bunyan :~) "...people will be envious..." maybe even especially critics... > Joni is old and wise enough to take it -- and so > should we. Can I get a witness? Sure Babe! I bet you could get a harem of witnesses ;~D Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...those who are successful must be always on their guard Success walks hand in hand with failure on Hollywood Boulevard..."-that Joan Jett ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:11:19 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) Kakki wrote: > It is initially more difficult to sing with them > closed but in the long run that method gives you much greater range and > breath and saves your vocal chords. Okay, okay...but how does one do it? Instructions please! Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...and I'll sing no more now 'till I've had a drink..."-Van Morrison/Patrick Moloney as sung by Joan Baez :~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:06:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Voice and Talent (NJC) I can't quite explain it - But when you are doing it right, you know it. I think I must have slipped back intuitively to how I was taught (properly) years ago at some point and then immediately noticed the difference compared with my current out of practice, "improper" way. ;-) Kakki > > It is initially more difficult to sing with them > > closed but in the long run that method gives you much greater range and > > breath and saves your vocal chords. > > Okay, okay...but how does one do it? Instructions please! > > Susan L.A. > Honey McBabe-"...and I'll sing no more now > 'till I've had a drink..."-Van Morrison/Patrick Moloney as sung by Joan > Baez :~) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #273 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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