From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #264 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, June 19 1999 Volume 04 : Number 264 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Le Mystere De Voix Bulgares NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Listening to Joni with headphones ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Rothko/Chagall (NJC) [M.Russell@iaea.org] NJC: Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares [Howard Wright ] NJC/Re: Inny Texans out thar? [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: NJC: Taj Mahal / Blues and now Fleetwood Mac [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Dianne Reeves New CD (JC) ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Joni and Leonard Cohen ["Reuben Bell3" ] Re: Joni and Leonard Cohen ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Size DOES Matter ( really NJC at all) ["Reuben Bell3" ] Re: color and line (NJC) [Thomas Ross ] vocalistics (NJC) [Thomas Ross ] Bulgarian Feast & Music [Thomas Ross ] blue [Bounced Message ] Sisotowbell Lane [al_date@email.com] Re: NJC: Taj Mahal / Blues and now Fleetwood Mac [Randy Remote ] (NJC) Mailroom blues [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Sisotowbell Lane [Don Rowe ] Re: blue [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Dianne Reeves New CD (JC) ["Kakki" ] Re: New In Town NJC [Martin Giles ] website address [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re:Joni's Willy? NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: New In Town NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: after ashara's bash [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: [CaTGirl627@aol.com] RE: Bridget Jones NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: What's in a Name? Take 2NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] NJC--Flag-burning up for vote [al_date@email.com] Re: abstract expressionism, etc.? (njc) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Dianne Reeves (SJC) [Leslie Mixon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 04:07:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Le Mystere De Voix Bulgares NJC Wow, Winn! I ENVY you! I was introduced to the wonders of the Voix Bulgares by Howard Wright [ thank you Howard!!!] and I've been a fan ever since. What a thrill to hear them LIVE!!! WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:53:58 -0700 From: Catherine Turley Subject: Bridget Jones NJC Oh . . . my . . . gosh . . . . I read Bridget Jones's Diary last weekend. Now there is even Bridget synchronicity on the Jonilist. I had to wait until I found it for $6.00 at Costco (this is how hip I am). Had been reading nothing but histories of World War I for weeks on end, and Bridget was just the breath of fresh air I needed. Enjoyed Vicars and Tarts, but let's not forget the firepole incident. And since someone brought up fuckwitage--I get the general drift, but could I humbly ask a UK user of this word for a formal (or informal) definition of this term? Wondering . . . (this is how hip I am). See ya, Catherine T. in AZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:40:02 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Listening to Joni with headphones Reuben Bell3 wrote: <<....As I traveled, I listened to "Hejira" non-stop and found it to be one of the most calming experiences I have ever had. "Amelia", "Hejira", "A Strange Boy" (appropriate at this moment in time), and (of course) "Refuge of the Roads" were my theme songs on this trip. At the risk of sounding corny, traveling with this CD which I have heard hundreds of times was like traveling with a very old friend. Long live Joni!>> Every time I drive across America (which I enjoy MUCH more than flying) Hejira is my #1 travel companion. It's particularly great across Kansas & Arizona at twilight.... A Strange Boy, E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 04:00:08 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Joni's Paintings I've been enjoying all the posts about obscure & not-so-obscure 20th Century painters & wonder why Joni Mitchell is being left out of the discussion. Her artwork on Mingus is as amazing & original as anything yet mentioned. Beholding Joni's artistic acomplishments from STAS to TTT I consider her to be the most innovative artist & musician of the 20th Century. Discuss: Mingus cover (& get out your magnifying glasses....) E.T. NP: Love Is Blindness, U2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:20:52 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: Rothko/Chagall (NJC) David Marine shared this quote from Chagall: > "Are not painting and color inspired by love? > Is not painting merely the reflection of our > inner self, whereby even one's skill with a > brush is surpassed? It has nothing to do > with it. Color with its lines contains your > character and your message. If all life > moves inevitably toward its end, we should > during ours paint it with our colors of love > and hope. In this love lies the social logic > of life and the essential part of each religion." > -- Marc Chagall This quote is so beautiful and inspiring - makes me want to go out and buy a bunch of brushes, canvases and colors and start painting! Maybe I will! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:45:36 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: NJC: Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares From: "Winfried Hühn": >Yippiiiee!!! > >I just found out there's a concert of the famous Bulgarian Female State >Choir just one week ahead in Weimar, only 100 mi from here! >You guys hear that wonderful jingle in the Bulgaria ad on CNN? > >Winfried Winfried, you lucky thing! You are going to have a fabulous concert I'm sure! Does this mean there's a chance that they are touring other parts of Europe? (Oh please, please !!!) I saw them once in the delicious-sounding new (at the time) Birmingham symphony concert hall. Words fail to describe the music. They are just so immensely talented and powerful singers, and the music is so touching, despite being unable to understand the words. I would just love to hear them again in concert. I've mentioned them on the list a few times before, and I think they deserve every plug they get! Anyone interested in wonderful vocal harmonies, lively dance rhythms and a deeply spiritual sound, check them out! I recently bought their "Volume 4" and it is superb! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:30:11 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC/Re: Inny Texans out thar? Lori in San Antone wrote: "...I'm fixin' to leave Texas the first week of August..." If yer fixin' to do ANYthing, you're from Texas! I reallllly like this little thang, this little regional colloquialism -- it's as musical as it is informative! When I met Lori at LaGuardia last August to see Joni at ADITG, I was enchanted to hear such Texan-isms, as well as the woefully under-used "clusterfuck." Not necessarily "Texan," per se, but perfect useage and perfect timing! (Imagine my relief..!) Anyway, it's a lovely wet and green spring where I am -- hope it is where you are -- lurching upon an uncertain summer, and Lori's Texanisms made me put on Lightnin' Hopkins: "I don't how-ta pick no cotton. I'm so glad I don't how-ta pull no corn..." "...Goods times here but it's better on down the road," Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:24:12 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Taj Mahal / Blues and now Fleetwood Mac In a message dated 5/6/99 5:02:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, donbvs@lightspeed.net writes: > Speaking of which, how many of you have heard the first > couple of Fleetwood Mac LPs with Peter Green? > I meant to reply to this long, long ago. My husband is a big early Fleetwood Mac fan. We have English Rose on LP, which we used to listen to frequently but our turntable has been out of commission for some years now. Anyway, I love that early blues sound of theirs. It's truly amazing to hear the evolution of this band and how many styles they hung in there with. My personal favorite era of Fleetwood Mac is the Future Games and Bare Trees stage. I love Christine MacVie's voice and I really liked Bob Welsh's influence then. I never cared for Stevie Nicks' voice, I'm afraid. No offense, oh please, to any Stevie fans out there. I don't mean this in a critical way (what do I know anyway, right?) It's just my personal preference speaking here. When Stevie came into the limelight, that's when I began to lose interest in the band, though of course I like Rumours because it's a sort of soundtrack of my youth, just as I like Born To Run for the same reasons, though I am not a big Bruce fan. Anyway, I wanted to comment on English Rose and Peter Green's influence then. What a loss! Thinking of the band's early blues days makes me want to listen to the blues again. I've not been listening to much blues for a couple of years, though I was really into it for a while. Here we go...hmm...okay...how about a little Elmore James (love that stuff!!!) Take care, Gina NP: Elmore James - Dust My Broom from Golden Hits ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:36:27 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Dianne Reeves New CD (JC) I mentioned this song in a post last week. It's a beautiful version of River and I've heard it played twice on the CBC's "After Hours". In fact like David Lahm's album it is listed in AH's top 5 of the month. I love this background vocal that runs through the song in various points singing "I wish I had, I wish I had" done in a Maj7th+9 chord which reminds me a bit of some of K.D. Lang's newer stuff. I love it. Kakki wrote: > There were some raves the other day on the CSN list about Dianne Reeves' new > album "Bridges" which includes covers of Joni's "River" and Leonard Cohen's > "Suzanne", plus the contributions of Brian Blade. Has anyone heard it yet? > I've just ordered it from CDNow, which is having a 30% off sale until 6/21. > Here's the track list followed by a review: Kakki > > 01. In Your Eyes > 02. I Remember > 03. Suzanne > 04. Goodbye > 05. Bridges > 06. River > 07. Olokun > 08. Testify > 09. Mista > 10. 1863 > 11. Make Someone Happy > > Date: 05/04/99 > Musicians: George Duke; Billy Childs; Brian Blade; Stanley Clarke; Kenny > Garrett; Marcus Printup; Joe Locke; Mulgrew Miller > Engineer: Erik Zobler > Producer: George Duke > Label: EMD/BLUE NOTE > Personnel: Dianne Reeves (vocals); Kenny Garrett (saxophone); Marcus Printup > (trumpet); Jimmy Zavala (harmonica); Joe Locke (vibraphone, marimba); George > Duke (piano, Wurlitzer piano); Mulgrew Miller, Billy Childs, Eddie Del > Barrio (piano); Romero Lubambo (guitar); Reginald Veal, Stanley Clarke > (bass); Terri Lyne Carrington, Brian Blade (drums); Munyungo Jackson > (Morroccan drums, batajon, cricket, caxixi, shaker, whistle, tambourine, > hi-hat, pipe, shells, frying pan, cheek pop, percussion, hand claps); Manolo > Badrena (bongos, percussion). > Recorded at Right Track Studio A, New York, New York; Conway Studio C and Le > Gonks West, Los Angeles, California. > > Along with jazz-folk diva Cassandra Wilson and mother-of-them-all Abbey > Lincoln, the eclectic singer Dianne Reeves is a strong believer in mixing up > genres on her albums. It's perhaps the only way to be a "jazz" singer now. > Leave the standards-only sets to marginal cabaret belters. Still, a singer > with Reeves' formidable chops is sometimes tempted to overdo it, an > occupational hazard in current jazz practice. Happily, this intelligent > vocalist has the taste and a light enough touch to bring her highly varied > programs off with aplomb. > > Tunes like Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne" and Joni Mitchell's "River" are jazzed > up just enough to suit her sinewy sensibility but still retain their outline > and essential meaning. Reeves is ably assisted in this task by a crack team > of accompanists, including pianists George Duke and Billy Childs, soprano > saxophonist Kenny Garrett, and bassist Stanley Clarke, who produces some > beautifully articulated lines on "Testify." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:39:58 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: Joni and Leonard Cohen Someone mentioned that Joni had done one of Leonard Cohen's album covers. I looked through all of them (I think) and could not find one with a cover painting or photograph of hers. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Reuben >>> John Low 06/18 1:28 AM >>> Simon, Many thanks for posting all that info on JM & LC. The original question about whether Joni ever made it into Leonard Cohen's work came in response to some great quotes from a book on Canadian music posted by Ken Slarty. Ken later posted an inquiry on a Cohen news group in the hope of further clues but nothing appears to have come of it. As it happens,I have been re-reading my treasured, though somewhat aged, copy of Leonard Cohen's "Selected Poems: 1956-1968" and a couple of the 'new' poems toward the end of the book caught my attention after reading your post. While there seems to have been quite a few women associated with Cohen around this time, it is possible I suppose that JM just might have been the inspiration for a couple of these. Take the small poem "She Sings So Nice", for example: She sings so nice there's no desire in her voice She sings alone to tell us all that we have not been found If (and it is only an 'if') this was written for Joni, what do you think he's getting at? Leonard Cohen has a calm and eloquent way of exploring life's mysteries and I was hooked from the first time I heard his songs in the late 1960s, played on a Sydney radio station by an unusually progressive (for Australia at the time, anyway) DJ. Along with Joni His Bobness and a couple of other musicians of that era, he has been a 'companion' ever since. Cheers, John. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:39:28 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Joni and Leonard Cohen I didn't get much indication that the people on the Leonard Cohen news group thought that LC had anything more than a passing fling with our Joni. John Low wrote: > Simon, Many thanks for posting all that info on JM & LC. The original > question about whether Joni ever made it into Leonard Cohen's work came in > response to some great quotes from a book on Canadian music posted by Ken > Slarty. Ken later posted an inquiry on a Cohen news group in the hope of > further clues but nothing appears to have come of it. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:18:52 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: Size DOES Matter ( really NJC at all) I hate to drag this out but I think that usless is a pretty harsh word. A willy is NEVER useless. You can always find *something* goood to do with one. :) We are sinking so very low... Reuben np: Ricky Lee Jones - Ghostyhead >>> catman 06/17 7:35 PM >>> Of course size matters. too big and it's useless. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:38:10 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: JONI, James & A Case Of You evian recently asked ... >____________________________________________________________________ >MG was listening to: >>np: Joni/James concert: "A Case Of You" > >SAY WHAT??? Ok, who has been holding out ... James & Joni TOGETHER >doing "A Case of You"? Fill me in, peoples! > >Evian >____________________________________________________________________ Evian, while on Tour in England in the fall/winter of 1970 Joni Mitchell was scheduled for a 'live' concert by the BBC as part of their 'In Concert' Series on BBC Radio 1. this was a Joni Mitchell (solo) concert. no other artists were scheduled. it was recorded at the BBCs' Paris Theater Studios in early dec. 1970 and broadcast on december 20, 1970. when Joni arrived at the studio for the taping, she brought along a friend -- James Taylor, a 'relative' unknown at the time. this of course, wouldn't be the case two years later. here's the SetList for the original UK Broadcast: JONI (Solo) 1. That Song About The Midway 2. The Gallery 3. HUNTER 4. RIVER 5. MY OLD MAN 6. The Priest 7. Carey (w/an extended INTRO/STORY) JONI w/James Taylor 8. A CASE OF YOU 9. California 10. For Free 11. The Circle Game 12. You Can Close Your Eyes this was a 60-minute program with Joni performing alone for the first 30-minutes. James doesn't appear until 'A Case Of You'. he then accompanies Joni on four songs until the program closes with their duet on his 'You Can Close Your Eyes'. this program is often *mistakenly* listed as a concert broadcast recorded at Royal Festival Hall on 10-29-70. in 1972 a number of these BBC 'In Concert' programs were syndicated by the BBC for broadcast on American radio stations. this concert was included. interestingly, it was re-edited with a different song order, a new introduction and also included songs not used in the original UK broadcast. these songs (ALL CAPs) are unique to each broadcast version. here how the BBC Transcription Service described the concert in the publicity sheet that accompanied the Transcription Disc sent to radio stations. "Recently, Canadian star JONI MITCHELL agreed to do a live 'In Concert' broadcast for the BBC. When she turned up to do the show she brought along a friend to help out a little. The friend just happened to be JAMES TAYLOR and a tremendous and unique show was recorded -- two internationally acclaimed artists for the price of one, and an unforgettable evening for everyone." here's the SetList for the American broadcast: BBC TRANSCRIPTION SERVICE (Recording #CN 1485/S) JONI MITCHELL 1. That Song About The Midway 2. The Gallery James Taylor 3. RAINY DAY MAN 4. STEAMROLLER BLUES JONI MITCHELL 5. The Priest 6. Carey James Taylor 7. CAROLINA ON MY MIND JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor 8. California 9. For Free 10. The Circle Game 11. You Can Close Your Eyes this program has been widely Bootleged over the years, *always* with inferior sound. one of the main purposes for the JMDL TapeTrees is to obviate the need of our members purchasing this overpriced product. this concert was made available to JMDL members as part of TapeTree #2, the first of six that i've Seeded from my own collection. the source was my 'personal' copy of a BBC Transcription Disc, the same LPs sent to radio stations back in 1972. the 4-songs unique to the UK broadcast were included (from a tape-source). here are the contents of TapeTree #2: TapeTree #2 - ----------------------------- Cassette #1, Side #1: C-110 - ----------------------------- JONI MITCHELL BBC Radio 1 'In Concert' w/James Taylor Paris Theatre Studios London, England (recorded Dec. 1970) Dec. 20, 1970 (Broadcast Date) BBC TRANSCRIPTION SERVICE (Recording #CN 1485/S) JONI MITCHELL 1. That Song About The Midway 2. The Gallery James Taylor 3. Rainy Day Man 4. Steamroller Blues JONI MITCHELL 5. The Priest 6. Carey James Taylor 7. Carolina On My Mind JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor 8. California 9. For Free 10. The Circle Game 11. You Can Close Your Eyes - ----------------------- Cassette #1, Side #2: - ----------------------- BBC Radio 1 'In Concert' w/James Taylor Paris Theatre Studios London, England (recorded Dec. 1970) Dec. 20, 1970 (Broadcast Date) 'Aircheck' Tape Source JONI MITCHELL 12. Hunter 13. River 14. My Old Man JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor 15. A Case Of You JONI MITCHELL 16. Carey (w/an extended INTRO/STORY) JONI MITCHELL NPR Studios Washington, DC May 28, 1995 Interview w/'Live' performances 17. Sunny Sunday 18. Loves Cries 19. The Three Great Stimulants 20. Man From Mars (from *withdrawn* GRACE OF MY HEART Soundtrack) - ------------------------------ Cassette #2, Side #1: C-100 - ------------------------------ 'Intimate & Interactive' MuchMusic TV Studios Toronto, Ontario Sept. 23, 1994 1. Sex Kills 2. Moon At The Window 3. Magadalene Laundries 4. Hejira 5. Cherokee Louise 6. Night Ride Home 7. The Crazy Cries Of Love 8. The Fishbowl (a Poem) 9. Just Like This Train 10. Happiness Is The Best Facelift - ----------------------- Cassette #2, Side #2: - ----------------------- The NIGHT RIDE HOME Radio Program Words & Music From JONI MITCHELL GEFFEN #GEFD-9143 Canadian Promo CD, 1991 1. Introduction 2. MUSIC: Come In From The Cold / The Only Joy In Town 3. MUSIC: Cherokee Louise / Nothing Can Be Done 4. MUSIC: Night Ride Home / Two Grey Rooms 5. MUSIC: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ----------------------------------- Joni Discusses the use of the Fairlight Synthesizer on the 'NIGHT RIDE HOME' album. "I Wrote on the liner notes ... under my supervision." Joni talks about why she feels that an album is the modern day equivalent of the symphony. "See i see the album ... is a part of the music." Joni discloses that in the recording studio, she likens role as producer to that of a film director. "Well a lot of it is ... and Scottish lilt." Joni discusses a touching moment in England with one of her fans. "The critics have not been ... not out on a limb, i'm out on a limb." Joni reveals how she came to write the song "Cherokee Louise" from the 'NIGHT RIDE HOME' album. "Cherokee Louise came to me ... song doesn't even cover that." Joni talks how she's come to terms with people still referring to her as a folksinger. "I've done something ... everything is folk music." ____________________________________________________ Evian, i hope this answers your question. i bet if you make a request here on the JMDL ... one of the Branches from TT#2 will contact you and offer to spin dubs for you. yours in friendship. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:42:11 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares (JC added) Howard Wright writes: They are just so > immensely talented and powerful singers, and the music is so touching, > despite being unable to understand the words. I would just love to hear > them again in concert. > Yes! Along with Joni's albums, theirs are the ones which have been helping me through this cruel graduation period. The music is so hauntingly beautiful -- you forget everything around you and are finally able to relax again. BTW the same is true for Hejira. When I'm down I sometimes listen to "Song for Sharon" a couple of times, and it never fails to overpower and absorb all my negative energy. - -- No more need for yelling at people or soaking the neighbor's cat with my watergun! (...What a pity...) Winfried who just might have created himself some new enemies... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:52:43 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Size DOES Matter ( really NJC at all) So help me, every time I've seen this subject line on the list in the last few days I've thought to myself, Hmmmm....Einstein's brain. I wonder what ole SiggiePoo Freud would do with that? Lesbian who reads references to penis and substitutes for penis the term "Einstein's brain." Hmmmmm. [He's gesturing with his cigar, I can just feel it!] At 10:18 AM 6/18/1999 -0400, Reuben Bell3 wrote: >I hate to drag this out but I think that usless is a pretty harsh word. A >willy is NEVER useless. You can always find *something* goood to do with >one. :) We are sinking so very low... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:16:39 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Size DOES Matter ( really NJC at all) Reuben Bell3 wrote: > I hate to drag this out but I think that usless is a pretty harsh word. A > willy is NEVER useless. I beg to differ! Too big and I wouldn't do anything other than look! > You can always find *something* goood to do with > one. :) We are sinking so very low... I sunk right to the bottom ages ago so I am cool.... > > > Reuben > > np: Ricky Lee Jones - Ghostyhead > >>> catman 06/17 7:35 PM >>> > Of course size matters. too big and it's useless. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:29:10 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Listening to Joni with headphones In a message dated 6/18/1999 3:40:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << Every time I drive across America (which I enjoy MUCH more than flying) Hejira is my #1 travel companion. It's particularly great across Kansas & Arizona at twilight.... A Strange Boy, E.T. >> Oh I just love Hejira for travelling. When i got married 7 years ago we listened to her while we were travelling around the South West. It made the experience intense! The open space out there and the deserts and her enchanting songs made me feel like I understood where she was coming from when she wrote those songs. Everyone on the list should try travelling around the southwest listening ot Joni...it is quite an experience! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Listening to Joni with headphones - --- CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > we were travelling around the > South West. It made the > experience intense! The open space out there and > the deserts and her > enchanting songs made me feel like I understood > where she was coming from > when she wrote those songs. This could not be more true! Back in the days of my immortality and invulnerability ... I wired my motorcycle helmet for sound and set off to West Texas on my KZ1000 for a camping trip in the Big Bend National Park. "Hejira" was the soundtrack of choice, and let me tell you, there is nothing quite like the feeling of flying 120+ mph down an empty, night darkened desert two-lane with "A Stange Boy" filling up the few remaining empty places in your soul. Thanks for reminding me! Don Rowe (who has since given up his courses of grace and havoc) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:20:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: color and line (NJC) right, but he has the guts to wipe out something perfectly beautiful. Reminds me of a story of Stevie Wonder saying to erase a vocal in the studio and a girlfriend saying, O Stevie, don't erase that beautiful vocal. Stevie replies, Honey, you know I can do it again. TR On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Randy Remote wrote: > > > Thomas Ross wrote: > > > Picasso is certainly one of the great draftsmen. but the blue period color > > is sweet, no? do you know the film The Mystery of Picasso, where he paints > > on glass? cool, but it has unfortunate music. Sonically the best parts are > > when you just hear his marker skritching. > > I saw that one. I kept screaming "Stop, it's done!...Stop! It's perfect > ....oh...now you've gone too far...you screwed it up" > RR > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:40:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: vocalistics (NJC) yes the Mystere are cool but also check out earlier recordings: one where the best singers of each village were assembled for a festival. On World Pacific? Holy shit! the diaphony esp! this btw apparently coming from the 'Pointy Tit-Mountain" region . . .! I like the wedding music too. also nb Techniques Polyphonees d'Ethiopie (Ocora?) with outrageous vocal techniques including a shepherds' round (sort of) and one piece whose diaphony sounds inexplicably Bulgarian . . .! of North American versions be sure to hear KITKA, a nine-women ensemble in the Bay area - - numerous recordings available - - Balkan, Macedonian and some experimental stuff. soul, soul! they're giving concerts with one of the great divas of the Mystere this week. and of course the pee-in-yr-pants Rustavi (men's) Choir of Georgia. Mmm-hmm! drones, great ornaments, and OUT tuning! maybe Gesualdo would have dug? TR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:50:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Bulgarian Feast & Music Dear Jmdl list: a peek into the kitchens and concert halls of KITKA, who as I told you are rehearsing and performing with the great Kremena this week. If food be the music of love, munch on! * <> Cooking for sure - both literally and figuratively! Rehearsal with Kremena and Milen sizzzled tonight after a home cooked Balkan-style dinner feast consisting of Shopska salata (salad of fresh tomatoes, cukes, and herbs) Banitsa (a relative of spanikopita), horiatiki (creamy and garlicy cuke and yogurt salad with mint and dill), pindjur (a puree of roasted red peppers, eggplant, spicy green peppers, and other good stuff), bread, mastika (firey anise liquor) wine. . . and for dessert watermelon, cantalope, and honeydew macerated in a vanilla, white wine, sugar, and lemon infusion with mint. La La! Now I'm getting really excited about this weekend's concerts. Ah yes, so this is the pay-off for all the work! getting tracks into shape to mix there.>> Cool! May the muses be with you. Can't wait to hear what you come up with! <> You keep at it honey . The way you stick with it and just keep on topping yourself is an inspiration. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:53:40 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: blue From: andrew power Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:42:48 PDT hiya a quick intro - i'm new to the joni pages - i'm a songwriter with a lot owing to joni, based in london and looking for my own career in music - i've been a fan since i first heard her music played me by my first great love... anyway i've noticed a lack of interest in 'blue' - which, in its austerity, i consider her most poignant and consistent album - and the best sign-off to the seventies anyone has written - interestingly: as joni then embodied so much of the sixties are there any other blue fans out there? i've plenty more to say - but that's all for now! it's a pleasure to find such a mature fan site drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:44:37 -0400 (EDT) From: al_date@email.com Subject: Sisotowbell Lane In the category of "songs for one voice and one guitar," Sisotowbell Lane is as close to perfection in its composition as anything ever written in the English language. Somehow, in spite of troubles, ours will be ever lasting love. - --Al Date - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:50:40 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC: Taj Mahal / Blues and now Fleetwood Mac Ginamu@aol.com wrote: > > Speaking of which, how many of you have heard the first > > couple of Fleetwood Mac LPs with Peter Green? > Anyway, I wanted to comment on English Rose and Peter Green's influence then. > What a loss! I like all the various stages of the Mac (except maybe the 90's Linseyless version). Future Games and Tusk are probably my faves. When I know I am going to play electric blues I put on Fleetwood Mac in Chicago and jam to that. Peter Green was one of rocks unfortunate drug casualties, although I don't know if you saw him with Carlos Santana at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame show on VH-1 ('98?). They played Black Magic Woman (written by Green) and traded some tasty licks. Also Green was there with the more famous Macs accepting the induction award. A comeback of sorts. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:52:10 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: color and line (NJC) You're perfectly right. It takes guts to do that. But it's still a judgement call. Neil Young was quoted as saying that Stills erased a totally superior electric guitar solo and replaced it with the one we know on "Woodstock". In the end, the artist knows what he's going for (we hope). Us critics on the sidelines may not always agree. RR, hotly anticipating the new CSN&Y Thomas Ross wrote: > right, but he has the guts to wipe out something perfectly beautiful. > Reminds me of a story of Stevie Wonder saying to erase a vocal in the > studio and a girlfriend saying, O Stevie, don't erase that beautiful > vocal. Stevie replies, Honey, you know I can do it again. > > TR > > On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Randy Remote wrote: > > > > > > > Thomas Ross wrote: > > > > > Picasso is certainly one of the great draftsmen. but the blue period color > > > is sweet, no? do you know the film The Mystery of Picasso, where he paints > > > on glass? cool, but it has unfortunate music. Sonically the best parts are > > > when you just hear his marker skritching. > > > > I saw that one. I kept screaming "Stop, it's done!...Stop! It's perfect > > ....oh...now you've gone too far...you screwed it up" > > RR > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:04:59 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: (NJC) Mailroom blues Hi all... Netscape crashed this morning as I was answering my email...I guess my ribald responses were too much for it :~D And I had such a good one for our Bobness ;~) Damn! If anyone needs or even wants a response please resend your love notes and I will try to remember what I said the first time around... Thankyou, Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...The silence is so full of sounds..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Sisotowbell Lane - --- al_date@email.com wrote: > In the category of "songs for one voice and one > guitar," Sisotowbell Lane is as close to perfection > in its composition as anything ever written in the > English language. > In all fairness to the SIQUOMB, the *most* perfect song for one voice and one guitar has got to be Richard Thompson's "1952 Vincent Black Lightning." A devastating tour-de-force of instrumental mastery, melodic and lyrical power ... and I'd better go into hiding now. Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:32:38 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: blue In a message dated 6/18/99 12:11:22 PM Central Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << a quick intro - i'm new to the joni pages - i'm a songwriter with a lot owing to joni, based in london and looking for my own career in music - i've been a fan since i first heard her music played me by my first great love...>> Hi back atcha Drew, and welcome! << i've noticed a lack of interest in 'blue' - which, in its austerity, i consider her most poignant and consistent album >> Hang in there Drew, we dredge 'em ALL up in time, and remember, you can always begin a conversation... - - and the best sign-off to the seventies anyone has written>> I don't catch the drift of what you''re saying here - could you expand on the statement? << i've plenty more to say - but that's all for now! it's a pleasure to find such a mature fan site >> Look forward to hearing more from you. And don't put that "mature" tag on us TOO quickly - after all, we're in the midst of a thread called "Does size really Matter"!! :~) Bob NP: (Now Playing)Ron Sexsmith, "One Grey Morning" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:32:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Dianne Reeves New CD (JC) Ken wrote: > I mentioned this song in a post last week. It's a beautiful version of River > and I've heard it played twice on the CBC's "After Hours". In fact like David > Lahm's album it is listed in AH's top 5 of the month. Argh, I'm sorry! I do recall you mentioning this - Must have gotten cross post confusion ;-) > I love this background vocal that runs through the song in various points > singing "I wish I had, I wish I had" done in a Maj7th+9 chord which reminds me a > bit of some of K.D. Lang's newer stuff. I love it. All the word about it sounds fantastic. I'm looking forward to hearing it and will post a review. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:27:39 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: New In Town NJC Krys wrote.. Hi Krys I'm new in town too..and like you am really excited about the new SAL video. Looking it up though, it seems that although it's available on VHS, its not our local PAL variety. So everybody HELP!!! (I'm drooling) I've posted a couple of times briefly before now, but havn't introduced myself. So following your lead.... I'm 39 and have also been into Joni since about 1983 - strange coincidence huh?. My favourite JM is Shadows & Light, Hejira & Blue. Amongst other musical likes are John Martin, Frank Zappa, Pat Metheny and a complete unknown called Simon Warner (who is an amazing singer/songwriter perhaps even as good as JM - dare I say it - but utterly different in style). I've become a complete fan of this list also. You guys are very freindly and open, and I've been moved to tears and laughter out loud by some of the postings - hopefully in the right places ;-) Martin. NP The Seduction Of Claude Debussy - Art Of Noise ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:50:43 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: website address per request, here is the address to the Nick Drake website. http://www.algonet.se/~iguana/DRAKE/DRAKE.html It's an excellent site to check out if you like Nick Drake or if you would like to find out more about this phenomonal singer/songwriter who died tragically at the age of 26. It will probably be another few weeks before the feature on my cd will be up and running. cheers, Victor (NP: I Surrender--David Sylvian) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:05:41 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re:Joni's Willy? NJC What about Joni's vaginas? The cover of "Clouds" has a huge one masquerading as a flower. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:49:41 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: New In Town NJC Greetings from the other side of the pond, Martin, and welcome to the list! RR Martin Giles wrote: > I've posted a couple of times briefly before now, but havn't introduced > myself. So following your lead.... I'm 39 and have also > been into Joni since about 1983 - strange coincidence huh?. My favourite > JM is Shadows & Light, Hejira & Blue. Amongst > other musical likes are John Martin, Frank Zappa, Pat Metheny and a > complete unknown called Simon Warner (who is an > amazing singer/songwriter perhaps even as good as JM - dare I say it - > but utterly different in style). > > I've become a complete fan of this list also. You guys are very freindly > and open, and I've been moved to tears and laughter out > loud by some of the postings - hopefully in the right places ;-) > > Martin. > NP The Seduction Of Claude Debussy - Art Of Noise ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:58:41 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: after ashara's bash In a message dated 6/10/1999 8:37:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chucke@tiac.net writes: << Atty May's sounds great to me, (if I'm still walking). We could set up the sound system if it seems right. >> Sounds like a road trip to me!! I am totally into this! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:57:48 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: In a message dated 6/10/1999 8:32:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << << We're fortunate to live in the Philadelphia area>> Sounds like we need to plan a "Philly Jonifest Part II"...Marty? Glen? Catgirl? Brian? (Well, I KNOW Brian will be up for it...) <> Hopefully you don't consider this spam...:~) And I know what you mean, I've been around for about 18 months and still can't decide if I want to stay or not! LOL! Bob >> My girlfriend rents an old farm house with 13 acres. That should be more then enough room for a Joni fest! Anyone who lives near the Philly region and would be interested in a mini joni fest (for this year- next year we can think bigger!) let me know. I know my girlfriend would not mind a Joni party at all! Catgirl...thinking about making plans but will hold off for now!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:26:31 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Bridget Jones NJC And since someone brought up >fuckwitage--I get the general drift, but could I humbly ask a UK user of >this word for a formal (or informal) definition of this term? Wondering >. . . (this is how hip I am). > >See ya, >Catherine T. in AZ hear, hear! what IS fuckwittage?!?!?! WallyK, 300 lbs [ugh], cigarettes 0[vg], units of alcohol 0[v v g] calories, 64,321[but mostly chocolate] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:27:52 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: What's in a Name? Take 2NJC In a message dated 6/10/1999 10:31:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TerryM2442@AOL.COM writes: << I knew a boy named Forest Plant. >> I grew up down the block from the Kane family: Sugar, Candy, and I've forgotten the 3rd sister's name. They were really sweet though. Har har har Terry >> I gotta jump in here even though I am late!! I knew a family whose last name was Oil. There was Olive, Castor, and Peanut!! Catgirl...I'm always running behind the time....... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: al_date@email.com Subject: NJC--Flag-burning up for vote [In my last posting on this subject, I incorrectly stated that this proposed amendment had passed a House vote, when it had actually passed a House _committee_ vote.--ald] ***Flag amendment to get final House vote next week.*** Next week, after the much anticipation, the House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on HJ Res. 33, a proposed constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to prohibit the physical desecration of the U.S. flag. If adopted by the House and Senate and ratified by 38 states, the amendment would mark the first time in history that Congress actually amended the Constitution to take away Americans' free speech rights! Those who favor the proposed amendment say they do so in honor of the flag. But in proposing to unravel the First Amendment, they desecrate what the flag represents, and what millions of Americans have died to defend. We are joined in opposing the amendment by many conservatives and liberals, Republicans and Democrats, and scores of veterans around the country! TAKE ACTION TODAY! Even if you've sent a letter to Congress before, now is the time to send another one! You can also send a free electronic postcard to your friends, family, neighbors and colleagues urging them to help stop the amendment! Our action alert and letter are located on our website at: http://www.aclu.org/congress/flag1999.html In addition, feel free to call your members offices next week and urge them to oppose HJ Res. 33. Call the Capitol Hill switchboard (202-225-3121) and ask for your member's office. - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:16:06 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: abstract expressionism, etc.? (njc) I'm late jumping back into this discussion. trxschwa@bway.net writes: << i think he was always looking for appreciation, and even as he made huge conceptual leaps his paintings demanded that you say, 'how clever!' really irritating. and he had his paris claque; he was, with co-conspiritors, historically the single-most energetic self promoter in 20th century visual art, after all. >> I'll admit that I'm not exactly thrilled with Picasso the Man, but I'll still have to disagree with what others have written about him here on the list. Someone (Debra?) mentioned that he had a poor color sense or something of the sort, and I just have to disagree. I think he intuitively understood color and masterfully underplayed them by simplfying them. Though again, I love Matisse's color expression more. Debra wrote: <> Exactly my feeling, but also have to agree with (Patrick??) that seeing an entire show of Rothkos would have overwhelmed me completely. Actually, most all retrospectives do that to me. I nearly get ill by the end of them. Now I wish I could find that thread on lines because I had something I wanted to add to that. All I can remember now that I'd wanted to say is that almost all paintings have lines in them, even if they are not apparent, because each time one places a color or mark on a canvas, that stroke competes with another stroke or color change next to it, creating a line of sorts, even if only implied. Looks like I'm in the minority in liking DeKooning. I still find his expressiveness and colors incredibley sensual. Got to disagree that his colors are uninteresting- I find them rich and intriguing. Even in the nearly monochromatic ones, there is such variety in the whites alone. I'd be interested in hearing what you guys think of Miro and Klee. These two were a huge influence on me when I first started to study art, but I've cooled a bit since then. Wish me luck, too. My opening is tomorrow night. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:31:26 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Dianne Reeves (SJC) The old man and I have experienced quite the musical week, and it ain't over yet. This past Saturday night, we saw a Peter Rowan concert which was incredible. The man performed for two hours straight, can sing and hold a clear, pure note like nobody's business and is a fine guitarist, songwriter and storyteller. Martin Guitars is coming out with a Peter Rowan "Midnight Moonlight" model next year. Monday night we both were treated to a concert by Dianne Reeves. While we were waiting in line for the late show, we saw the awestruck faces of the people leaving the early show and then the Joni radar went off - somebody said, "blah blah blah blah Joni Mitchell" and our ears like two cats perked up. What could be the Joni connection? The long and short of it is that I am photographing a friend's wedding tomorrow and took some pre-wedding pictures. The happy couple surprised us with tickets to Dianne Reeves to thank me, etc. The audience bowled Dianne over with their adoration and she promises to return to our little seaside town in the near future. Dianne's second set was completely different from the first, and she sang "River" in the first set, boo hoo. But she did sing "Testify" and "Better Days" in the second set. This was first time seeing her perform live, what a stage presence, what a voice, not to be missed! She reminded me of a vocal combination of Ella and Sarah Vaughn. This past Wednesday night, I bought tickets for us to see the Del McCoury Band and Ricky Scaggs as an anniversary present - we just celebrated our 4th wedding anniversary yesterday. And Sunday afternoon we're going to see a festival with Jerry Jeff Walker, David Lindley & Wally Ingram and Maria Muldaur. "Oh radiant happiness, it was all so light and easy..." On Sunday, there will be a new addition to Steve's collection of instruments, a 1927 Ludwig tenor banjo - this will be a great addition to our band, which just completed a 5-song promotional CD. Leslie ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #264 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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