From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #263 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, June 18 1999 Volume 04 : Number 263 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Excitable find ["Eric Taylor" ] bridget NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] New in town [Krys & Geoff ] Re: JONI, Leonard Cohen [Susan Chaloner ] Rothko/Chagall (NJC) [davidmarine1@webtv.net (David Marine)] Re: New in town [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] Re: New in town [Don Rowe ] Re: New in town [Krys & Geoff ] Re: Listening to Joni with headphones and some NJC ["Reuben Bell3" ] Re: My Car's "Hejira" ... [Gellerray@aol.com] Re: JONI, Leonard Cohen ["Reuben Bell3" ] Re: New in town [Don Rowe ] Re: color and line (NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: Rothko/Chagall (NJC) ["Lisa Peakes" ] Re: (NJC) Any Texans out there? [LRFye@aol.com] A day in the Garden ["EUGENE LAZAR" ] Dianne Reeves New CD (JC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Rothko/Chagall (NJC) [dsk ] Size DOES Matter (NJC) [michael paz ] Re: Dianne Reeves New CD (JC) [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] Re: Size DOES Matter (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Le Mystere De Voix Bulgares NJC ["Winfried Hühn" ] Joni's Willy? [Russell Bowden ] Re: Size DOES Matter (NJC) [catman ] Re: Joni's Willy? [catman ] RE: Rothko/Chagall and joni on color [patrick leader ] Re: Size DOES Matter (NJC) [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Joni on color and TTT songbook ["Kakki" ] RE: My Car's "Hejira" ... [patrick leader ] Re: Sisotowbell Lane ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Joni and Leonard Cohen [John Low ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:35:51 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Excitable find Wally Breese shared: << I got a very pleasant shock a few days ago when I watched my copy of the new Japanese re-release of Joni's 1980 live-in-concert film, Shadows And Light. This new version runs not 60 but 74 minutes! What's on those 14 new minutes? Well, I'm excited to tell you that two songs not on the original release are included on this new version- "Edith And The Kingpin" and "Hejira." "Edith" is totally live footage, with lots of audience shots. This track, in fact, was promised the last time that Shadows And Light was re-released (in 1989 on Warner Home Video), but although the song was listed on the box, it was not on the tape. But now we have it. "Hejira" is a real find because it appears to be Joni's first attempt at a music video. Seven minutes filmed on an ice-skating rink and featuring famous skater Toller Cranston; a young woman twirling in a bridal gown; and Joni herself skating around in her "black crow" outfit. Joni also lip-synchs a few verses from the song, just like in a regular MTV-style video. Mostly though, it's Toller ice-skating and I must admit, very beautifully....>> I'm elated Wally! S&L is my personal fav. Do you know if it's available on DVD? I maintain that Joni pioneered music video's on S&L. Pretty amazing for a first attempt! Coyote is still better than anything I've seen on MTV & now I can't wait to finally see Hejira! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 05:02:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: bridget NJC I can't remember who it was [Azeem?] that brought up Bridget Jones's Diary on the list. My everlasting gratitude!!!! It's one of the funniest books I've ever read. I started it last night and I haven't been able to do an ounce of work since then. The memory of the tarts and vicars party comes constantly back to my mind and I giggle uncontrollably wherever I am. My reputation as a oddball is increasing by the minute in my neighborhood and among my clients. Bridget will be my ruin! WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:01:45 +0100 From: Krys & Geoff Subject: New in town I have just discovered your list and received my first digest this morning. Imagine my delight when I read from Wally that there's a new video (re)release with one of my favourite tracks (Edith..) on it. I'm not sure what the etiquette is regarding introducing ourselves to this list, but I'd like to make a brief intro here. I'm female and 39; I discovered Joni around 1983 but have only recently really got back into her music in a big way. Her wise words and beautiful melodies grow on me the older I get - do others find this? I love her artwork too, and am into collecting naive art when I can afford it. Other music I am into: Kate Bush, Happy Rhodes, Marillion (Hogarth era), lots of classical, Mediaeval Baebes, Medwyn Goodall...the list goes on but you get the idea. I enjoyed reading the first digest very much and look forward to learning more about the world of Joni through this valuable medium. Thanks for your patience and the bandwidth. Love and peace, Krys XXX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:06:10 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: JONI, Leonard Cohen Rueben wrote: > This is left out of Judy's version...was the line "shows you where to look > amidst the garbage and the flowers" substituted here, or was it in the > original? Here's the entire verse in question... Now Suzanne takes your hand and she leads you to the river she is wearing rags and feathers from Salvation Army counters And the sun pours down like honey on our lady of the harbour And she shows you where to look among the garbage and the flowers So we still haven't got our answer...isn't that just like life! ;~D Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...RESTING WITH THE QUESTION..."-Ferron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:17:12 -0700 (PDT) From: davidmarine1@webtv.net (David Marine) Subject: Rothko/Chagall (NJC) Hi List -- Thanks for all the insightful Boho Dance posts. I've finally suspended (though not abandoned) some old notions about the song and feel I know it much better now. Though I'm out of my element, I had to comment on some of the art discussion. Rothko has long been a favorite of mine. I love Japanese art and I think I saw a reflection of it in his approach and color palette. Somehow I appreciated him instantly and still do. Terry told of an experience in which he perceived the paintings as powerful and unique spiritual works, and that is how I see them also. For some reason I had never really educated myself about Chagall, and I think I had judged him as a little saccharine. Certainly his work can be florid, but the few paintings I've seen were gorgeous, captivating, and joyful. Also, I remember a beautiful large mosaic of his on the garden wall of a house in Georgetown, on the same street where my first boyfriend lived. I used to pass by it all the time and I loved it. Anyway, after reading Patrick's post I pulled a Chagall book out and was very moved by the paintings. There was some great text by Chagall and I wanted to share a piece of it: "Works of art must speak for themselves. We often speak of style, in what forms, what movements to place color. But this color is something innate. It depends neither on the style nor on the form in which you put it. Neither does it depend on your skill with a brush. It lies outside all movements. Of all movements, the only ones that have remained are those very rare ones that possessed innate color...movements are forgotten. Are not painting and color inspired by love? Is not painting merely the reflection of our inner self, whereby even one's skill with a brush is surpassed? It has nothing to do with it. Color with its lines contains your character and your message. If all life moves inevitably toward its end, we should during ours paint it with our colors of love and hope. In this love lies the social logic of life and the essential part of each religion." -- Marc Chagall Thanks again for the interesting discussion. David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:47:41 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: New in town Krys says: <> Welcome, Krys! Happy reading (and writing)... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: New in town Hello Krys, and welcome to our little Mad Tea Party! Always good to see another Brit on the list, at least that's what your e-mail address would indicate, yes? So I'll get started by asking a question ... since you wrote ... > I discovered Joni around 1983 but have only recently > really got back > into her music in a big way. So which album got you hooked? You'll soon discover that some listers don't consider Joni's '80s works to be among her best -- I'm one who disagrees, so you've peaked my curiousity ... look forward to hearing from you and once again, welcome to the fray! Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:39:20 +0100 From: Krys & Geoff Subject: Re: New in town In message <19990617133648.7806.rocketmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com>, Don Rowe writes > > >Hello Krys, and welcome to our little Mad Tea Party! >Always good to see another Brit on the list, at least >that's what your e-mail address would indicate, yes? >So I'll get started by asking a question ... since you >wrote ... > Hello Don. Yes I'm from the UK! >> I discovered Joni around 1983 but have only recently >> really got back >> into her music in a big way. > >So which album got you hooked? You'll soon discover >that some listers don't consider Joni's '80s works to >be among her best -- I'm one who disagrees, so you've >peaked my curiousity ... look forward to hearing from >you and once again, welcome to the fray! The first album I bought was Court And Spark. I had just met someone special who was mad about Joni - so I went out and bought the first Joni album I could find. It still has memories for me, though I split with that person after many years. My fiancé does not particularly like Joni's music (shame!) but we have many other things in common so it doesn't pain me to much. I have one good friend who is a real big Joni fan, so that's nice too. I really enjoy early Joni most, all the albums up to DJRD. I found Mingus hard to get into but am willing to try again now I'm a bit older. I think maybe the first time round I was not mature enough to appreciate it. :) I cannot name a favourite Joni album as they are all different and individual songs mean many different things to me. She's a very special lady. Love and peace, Krys XX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:40:58 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: Listening to Joni with headphones and some NJC Jimmy's post below reminded me of a trip I recently took. I needed to escape, and ended up going to Mexico for several days. My job is being switched around (in a good way) and I am in a new relationship (also very good) and several other things all were terribly overwhelming. As I traveled, I listened to "Hejira" non-stop and found it to be one of the most calming experiences I have ever had. "Amelia", "Hejira", "A Strange Boy" (appropriate at this moment in time), and (of course) "Refuge of the Roads" were my theme songs on this trip. At the risk of sounding corny, traveling with this CD which I have heard hundreds of times was like traveling with a very old friend. Long live Joni! Reuben >>> 06/15 7:24 PM >>> Just got back from a wonderful vacation in the Caribbean. I took all of my Joni cd's and finally bought a portable cd player. I am so used to listening to Joni in the car or at home on the stereo system, that I forgot what it was like to listen to Joni without any distractions. It was just the beautiful sea and Joni's music with the head sets on. I can't tell you how relaxing it was. I did manage to get a couple of books read, and I want to thank those JMDLers who had mentioned Helen Fielding's "Bridget Jones's Diary" a few weeks ago. It was quite funny, but I would like to know from the British JMDLers if they use the term "FUCKWITTAGE" in their normal conversations. I also read David Leavitt's "While England Sleeps".........great novel and I couldn't help but think of Joni's "Two Grey Rooms" while reading it. Anyway glad to be back, and now I have to catch up on 10 days of Joni postings. Jimmy (tanned and relaxed) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:46:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: color and line (NJC) well as an amateur I've always had confidence with line and some fear about color although I find both very sexy. Oddly I'm fearless about color with computer painting, but selfdoubting about 'hardcopy' color. For a while I was practicing daily and certainly getting more drawing chops together; then did about 30 large pastels of hands on colored paper, for the line certainly but especially to get more color happening. some enthuse about Van Gogh's color. yes? JM, the little I've seen of her stuff, seems (similar to me) to love line but have less proficiency with color, although it's exuberant. Picasso is certainly one of the great draftsmen. but the blue period color is sweet, no? do you know the film The Mystery of Picasso, where he paints on glass? cool, but it has unfortunate music. Sonically the best parts are when you just hear his marker skritching. TR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:45:50 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: My Car's "Hejira" ... good to know don, good to know. somehow--i am not sure why exactly--but it is a great comfort to know that there is a car dealer/mechanic out there who loves joni. good luck with your car raymond ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:31:47 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: JONI, Leonard Cohen >>>>Here's the entire verse in question... Now Suzanne takes your hand and she leads you to the river she is wearing rags and feathers from Salvation Army counters And the sun pours down like honey on our lady of the harbour And she shows you where to look among the garbage and the flowers So we still haven't got our answer...isn't that just like life! ;~D<<<< I brought my Colors of the Day CD today...Judy's versions goes: "Suzanne takes you down to her place by the river You can hear the boats go by You can spend the night forever And the sun pours down like honey on our lady of the harbor And she shows you where to look amidst the garbage and the flowers" Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: New in town >I cannot name a favourite Joni album as > they are all different > and individual songs mean many different things to > me. > So true. There's a Joni for every mood, feeling, season or journey. My personal favorite, meaning simply the one that I play most often though, is and will always remain 'Hejira.' I was fortunate enough, a couple of summers ago, to visit Memphis, Tennessee for the first time -- and strolling down Beale Street with "Furry Sings The Blues" playing on the DiscMan was an experience I'll not soon forget. Of course, Paul Simon's "Graceland" also made the trip, and was actuallly a much better musical accompinament than the supplied audio tour of Elvis' famous home! Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:38:08 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: color and line (NJC) Thomas Ross wrote: > Picasso is certainly one of the great draftsmen. but the blue period color > is sweet, no? do you know the film The Mystery of Picasso, where he paints > on glass? cool, but it has unfortunate music. Sonically the best parts are > when you just hear his marker skritching. I saw that one. I kept screaming "Stop, it's done!...Stop! It's perfect ....oh...now you've gone too far...you screwed it up" RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:50:09 -0400 From: "Lisa Peakes" Subject: Re: Rothko/Chagall (NJC) Didn't understand the buzz about Rothko for a long time - thought he was for a crowd that'd been hoodwinked by a simplistic effort that belied little skill or effort on the artist's part. What turned me around was spending time slowing down to let the richness of the "color field" Color upon color - saturated with color - the vividity had a penetrating vibration to it - never thought I'd be saying it, but I felt an opening in my chest and throat - cerebration be damned! - Tho' I still gravitate toward gingerbread, I "get it" about Rothko - and now Helen Frankenthaler, too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:39:20 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Any Texans out there? Newish Patti wrote: > Patti here, newish member of the list, wondering...since I live in Dallas > and I won't be able to make it up to Ashara's this year, are there any > Texans wanting to have a get together somewhere in our neck of the woods? Hey, Patti! There are a few Texans among the JMDL! Craig, Neil, and Melinda are in Austin, John, Alan, and I are in San Antonio, Cindy is in Navasota, and -- Percy? Are you still lurking in Waxahachie? (If I've left anyone out, please forgive me, because I'm almost sure "there may be more ...") I'm fixin' to leave Texas the first week of August, but maybe we can work something out for a little get-together. Who's game? Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:31:09 -0400 From: "EUGENE LAZAR" Subject: A day in the Garden Visited the Garden website today. Here's whats listed. Sat. Aug. 14, "a Day of Classic Rock, Sun Aug 15, Anniversary Show. Looks like I'm going to have to rent another RV. Joni or not. din in Ft Lauderdale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:45:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Dianne Reeves New CD (JC) There were some raves the other day on the CSN list about Dianne Reeves' new album "Bridges" which includes covers of Joni's "River" and Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne", plus the contributions of Brian Blade. Has anyone heard it yet? I've just ordered it from CDNow, which is having a 30% off sale until 6/21. Here's the track list followed by a review: Kakki 01. In Your Eyes 02. I Remember 03. Suzanne 04. Goodbye 05. Bridges 06. River 07. Olokun 08. Testify 09. Mista 10. 1863 11. Make Someone Happy Date: 05/04/99 Musicians: George Duke; Billy Childs; Brian Blade; Stanley Clarke; Kenny Garrett; Marcus Printup; Joe Locke; Mulgrew Miller Engineer: Erik Zobler Producer: George Duke Label: EMD/BLUE NOTE Personnel: Dianne Reeves (vocals); Kenny Garrett (saxophone); Marcus Printup (trumpet); Jimmy Zavala (harmonica); Joe Locke (vibraphone, marimba); George Duke (piano, Wurlitzer piano); Mulgrew Miller, Billy Childs, Eddie Del Barrio (piano); Romero Lubambo (guitar); Reginald Veal, Stanley Clarke (bass); Terri Lyne Carrington, Brian Blade (drums); Munyungo Jackson (Morroccan drums, batajon, cricket, caxixi, shaker, whistle, tambourine, hi-hat, pipe, shells, frying pan, cheek pop, percussion, hand claps); Manolo Badrena (bongos, percussion). Recorded at Right Track Studio A, New York, New York; Conway Studio C and Le Gonks West, Los Angeles, California. Along with jazz-folk diva Cassandra Wilson and mother-of-them-all Abbey Lincoln, the eclectic singer Dianne Reeves is a strong believer in mixing up genres on her albums. It's perhaps the only way to be a "jazz" singer now. Leave the standards-only sets to marginal cabaret belters. Still, a singer with Reeves' formidable chops is sometimes tempted to overdo it, an occupational hazard in current jazz practice. Happily, this intelligent vocalist has the taste and a light enough touch to bring her highly varied programs off with aplomb. Tunes like Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne" and Joni Mitchell's "River" are jazzed up just enough to suit her sinewy sensibility but still retain their outline and essential meaning. Reeves is ably assisted in this task by a crack team of accompanists, including pianists George Duke and Billy Childs, soprano saxophonist Kenny Garrett, and bassist Stanley Clarke, who produces some beautifully articulated lines on "Testify." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:05:06 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Rothko/Chagall (NJC) David, Thanks for posting this quote; for some reason it makes me feel very happy. Maybe it's the art inspired by love idea, with color being the vehicle of expressing that love (that's very sappy but today I like it). My favorite sentence is the "Of all movements..." one. It affirms the value of the expressive use of color, whether it's in style or not (as now). Having been labeled a colorist myself, I'm going to take that as wonderfully encouraging. Maybe it's time for me to look at this very wise man's (:-D) work again. Or more of it anyway. I could probably tolerate, maybe even appreciate, the sweetness in his work more than I could years ago. And there is that HUGE Chagall painting in the lobby of the Metropolitan Opera. I haven't seen it up close for a long time, but last year passed Lincoln Center often on my way home and always tried to catch a glimpse of it from the bus. So even though I've judged his work harshly, that painting grabbed me, even from hundreds of yards away. Debra Shea David Marine wrote: > > "Works of art must speak for themselves. We often speak of style, in > what forms, what movements to place color. But this color is something > innate. It depends neither on the style nor on the form in which you > put it. Neither does it depend on your skill with a brush. It lies > outside all movements. Of all movements, the only ones that have > remained are those very rare ones that possessed innate > color...movements are forgotten. > > Are not painting and color inspired by love? Is not painting merely the > reflection of our inner self, whereby even one's skill with a brush is > surpassed? It has nothing to do with it. Color with its lines contains > your character and your message. If all life moves inevitably toward > its end, we should during ours paint it with our colors of love and > hope. In this love lies the social logic of life and the essential part > of each religion." -- Marc Chagall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:31:42 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Size DOES Matter (NJC) Kakki wrote: " And some people were only foolin' about it ;-) (Although Brian Gross *should* get a special mention for actually finding a microscopic one on Clouds ;-D" Geez it's ALWAYS a size thing. No wonder most (notice I didn't say ALL you paranoid ones) men have a complex. BTW is the whole penis thing concidered penis-envy, penis infatuation, penis pondering, obsessive penis disorder, or what??? Michael NP-Adia-Sarah M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:44:00 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Dianne Reeves New CD (JC) Kakki, Sure looks like a formidable lineup! Since you're being the guinea pig on this one, please issue a full report! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Size DOES Matter (NJC) - --- michael paz wrote: > Geez it's ALWAYS a size thing. No wonder most > (notice I didn't say ALL > you paranoid ones) men have a complex. BTW is the > whole penis thing > concidered penis-envy, penis infatuation, penis > pondering, obsessive > penis disorder, or what??? > Just thought you'd like to hear from an un-envious, un-infatuated, sercure, well-adjusted, fully functional lover of his endowment. Someone who's not going to let all this talk of size bother him ... no sir ... not one bit ... I mean, it is alright, isn't it? ISN'T IT? GOD SAY IT'S ALRIGHT!! -- I'LL DO ANYTHIIIING!!! Don Rowe (ducking for cover ...) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:48:46 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Le Mystere De Voix Bulgares NJC Yippiiiee!!! I just found out there's a concert of the famous Bulgarian Female State Choir just one week ahead in Weimar, only 100 mi from here! You guys hear that wonderful jingle in the Bulgaria ad on CNN? (Weimar is the famous city where German literature giants Goethe and Schiller lived and worked) Opening act: Hun Huur Tu -- Voice Acrobats from the Russian/Mongolian border. I'm in for a treat! Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:21:18 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Size DOES Matter (NJC) Don Rowe wrote: > Just thought you'd like to hear from an un-envious, > un-infatuated, sercure, well-adjusted, fully > functional lover of his endowment. Someone who's not > going to let all this talk of size bother him ... no > sir ... not one bit ... I mean, it is alright, isn't > it? ISN'T IT? I dunno...let's see what it can do ;~D > GOD SAY IT'S ALRIGHT!! -- I'LL DO > ANYTHIIIING!!! Anything? Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...They'll have their dance in the clover..."-Sally Fingerett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:02:48 PDT From: Russell Bowden Subject: Joni's Willy? Dear JMDLers, All this talk about penises now, Must be the start of the latest Style. Is it all in our heads or Do we really see it? Do we touch it? Do we really wish that they were there......when they're not there... Or do we even care? I DON'T SEE THEM AND I WANT TO! PLEASE SOMEBODY SHOW ME! Trey???? Much love from the confused and worried, Russ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:35:45 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Size DOES Matter (NJC) Of course size matters. too big and it's useless. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:37:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni's Willy? You aren't the only I can't see them either. especially the one supposedly on Hejira. Looks nothing like. Does look like her wrist tho.(this counts as my fave Joni cover btw) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:19:22 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: Rothko/Chagall and joni on color i haven't had a chance to say so, but it's awfully good to see you back on list, david. this quote was a particularly nice gift. deb, there are fine chagalls both in moma and in the guggenheim's collection. this is not very artcritically correct, but sometimes i like work because i sense a good heart behind it, and chagall's work falls into this category. there's joy in the work. in the smaller canvasses you can really see the expertise, but the met opera curtains seem almost amateurish. still, so ecstatically wild. do you know franz marc? something like chagall, but narrower subject matter, distorted farm animals in the wildest, most gorgeous colors. love him. tom ross wrote 'picasso - blue period - sweet' and i agree, mostly, especially when he slabs on that deep cobalt. i've seen two great ones recently, with mr. yarbrough, one the bather at the philips i mentioned and the other an incredible head at the fogg on the harvard campus, last fall, (just hours before ashara's last blast!) the fogg painting had an earlier portrait on the reverse, it was about 4 months earlier and looked 20 years less skilled. hey, i never said i didn't respect his ability... about joni and color. a lot of people (not me) don't like the taming the tiger paintings because they're banal and so derivative, but i have to say, color-wise, they are beautifully composed. especially the front, the back of the booklet and the cd. i really think she's always been pretty skilled with color, the 'clouds' cover still looks fantastic, even on a cd booklet. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:34:38 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Size DOES Matter (NJC) catman wrote: > > Of course size matters. too big and it's useless. Catman love, It is my experience that most of them are too narrow...I've only had one that was of any use to me at all and it was bent :~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-Still lookin' for that elusive "...boom, boom pachyderm..."-that Joni :~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:02:04 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni on color and TTT songbook Patrick wrote: > i haven't had a chance to say so, but it's awfully good to see you back on > list, david. this quote was a particularly nice gift. It was a joy to read this as the first post in my mailbox this morning. Nice to also hear that color is back "in" again - I knew it would come back someday ;-) > do you know franz marc? something like chagall, but narrower subject > matter, distorted farm animals in the wildest, most gorgeous colors. love > him. You are right on - Marc's colors are stupendous and I can't think anyone who quite compares to him. > about joni and color. a lot of people (not me) don't like the taming the > tiger paintings because they're banal and so derivative, but i have to say, > color-wise, they are beautifully composed. especially the front, the back > of the booklet and the cd. I wish everyone can one day see her paintings in person - hopefully many can make it to Saskatoon next summer. Even if one does not care for her subject matter, style or composition, I think you would have to rate her a complete genius on color in these paintings. They are so startlingly luminescent - which you can only experience by seeing them in the flesh, so to speak. This gives me the opportunity to also mention that the photographs of her paintings in the Taming the Tiger songbook are of a somewhat better quality with respect to clarity and color, and they look appreciably better, than what you see on the TTT CD cover. Speaking of songbooks, it seems the corporate bottom line is not making them as lush as they used to - the TTT songbook is probably the "cheapest" quality Joni songbook yet. The good news is that our own Howard Wright is prominently credited and his detailed guitar notes are everywhere. It was very neat to see him so much a part of it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:46:46 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: My Car's "Hejira" ... don rowte: >'Hejira' was played through, along with half of NRH on Side B of the tape ... what got me about this was that i happen to think that the entirety of hejira on side a, and most of night ride home on side b (omit 'the windfall') together make up just about the coolest 100 minute joni mitchell tape i can imagine. i live in new york, carless, and in april 98 when i rented a car (just one day after i became unemployed) and drove seven hours, alone, to the first major jonifest at julie webb's house in pittsburgh, this was the first tape in the deck. a choice memory. and my first thought when krys(?) a newbie posted that she loved everything up to djrd, is what joy she has in store with the newer stuff. especially nrh. have fun, and welcome. patrick np - dead can dance - aion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:34:42 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Sisotowbell Lane Don wrote: >Now isn't that just like Joni to send us off on a >snipe hunt. Kind of makes you wonder what other sorts >of red herrings we're fishing for here on the jmdl ... >;-) > >Don Rowe I have this on good authority (the little man inside my head swears it's true), which should lay the question to rest: CAREY: Crazy acronyms really entertain you Helen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:28:18 PDT From: John Low Subject: Joni and Leonard Cohen Simon, Many thanks for posting all that info on JM & LC. The original question about whether Joni ever made it into Leonard Cohen's work came in response to some great quotes from a book on Canadian music posted by Ken Slarty. Ken later posted an inquiry on a Cohen news group in the hope of further clues but nothing appears to have come of it. As it happens,I have been re-reading my treasured, though somewhat aged, copy of Leonard Cohen's "Selected Poems: 1956-1968" and a couple of the 'new' poems toward the end of the book caught my attention after reading your post. While there seems to have been quite a few women associated with Cohen around this time, it is possible I suppose that JM just might have been the inspiration for a couple of these. Take the small poem "She Sings So Nice", for example: She sings so nice there's no desire in her voice She sings alone to tell us all that we have not been found If (and it is only an 'if') this was written for Joni, what do you think he's getting at? Leonard Cohen has a calm and eloquent way of exploring life's mysteries and I was hooked from the first time I heard his songs in the late 1960s, played on a Sydney radio station by an unusually progressive (for Australia at the time, anyway) DJ. Along with Joni His Bobness and a couple of other musicians of that era, he has been a 'companion' ever since. Cheers, John. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #263 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?