From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #245 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, June 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 245 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- aol IM (NJC) [evian ] Joni moment [catman ] new zealand njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: JTOTM (thanks David!) ["Kakki" ] RE: Who is RKOPF? NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] XTC (NJC) [Jason Long ] Re: detuning question [Marian Russell ] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [Marian Russell ] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Positively asking for it! (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] So Far Away [Leslie Mixon ] feel like a joni novice [katej ] NJC: Lamadoo chimes in ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: aol IM (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: meetings [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [catman ] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Carey Comments and Question on TTT/Cut TTT [Vince Lavieri ] Plug Of The Week #22 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: Why so many don't post [picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith)] All good things joni come to those who wait ["Takats, Angela" ] Bittersweet Weak (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Devil's chord and devil's interval (JC added) [Randy Remote ] Below tbe Bible Belt [Michael Paz ] Joni's master tapes safe [Randy Remote ] Re: All good things joni come to those who wait [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni's master tapes safe ["Kakki" ] RE: Joni's master tapes safe ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: aol IM (NJC) Well, since we are all talking about posting and how great the list actually is, and how much fun the jonifests are, etc., AND since the Joni room on mirc didn't seem to persuade people to flock to chat in real time, I was wondering who all on the list uses aol IM and/or icq? It would be nice to actually talk to some of y'all in real time once in a while. I have icq, but I am always in invisible because I am avoiding most of the people on my buddy list (odd relatives and such), but if anyone wants to look me up on aol IM, my nick is jt5440. I don't always seem to remember to log onto IM, but quite often I do. Anyway, hope to babble to some of y'all soon. Evian np: The Very Best of Foreigner (yes, Foreigner! A year ago, I woulda been too shy to admit I listen to Foreigner.... but now... I display it with pride..I'm a JUKE BOX HERO! Oy.... is my lack of sleep showing? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 10:00:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Joni moment Just been to gym-saw a car with number plate J???MOA. MOA was the 2nd Joni I bought. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 06:08:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: new zealand njc helen! you ARE right! by the way, where are you in new zealand? are you having a very severe winter? we're up to our necks in snow this year. buenos aires is a chiropractor's paradise: the sidewalks are so slippery with frost! wallyk New Zealand is closer, if you're >travelling east to west. Just wanted to get the facts straight! > >And I agree, sounds like Bob, CatGirl, etc. had a great time. Yet again I'm >reminded what a pain it is to live so far away from other Joni-lovers! > >Helen > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:53:03 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JTOTM (thanks David!) Pat wrote: >Joni's music was *always* deep and original and so intense that the confines of popular music could >barely comprehend, much less, contain the dynamics of what she heard in her heart... but she was >patient with us in her quiet way. she became folkie earth mother to the 60's and called her own out >with a lyric and a song the likes of which we had only dreamed about and began leading us into light, >as it were I like the way you put this, Pat, and would really like to see this sentiment voiced in the next tribute speech to her! ;-) > hey, take it or leave it, jazz is the only idiom that does her dynamic range of thoughts and emotions >and sounds, arranged as has never been done before, justice... in fact, I defy anyone to name a >better jazz composer in this day and time and, although I am not enough of a musician to judge, (and >perhaps some of the better trained listers can speak better on it, but) I would even venture forth the >speculation that her music, especially as expressed on her more recent albums, may even transcend >jazz! I think she has always transcended jazz, even though jazz elements run throughout a lot of her work. I think she has created her own genre in music and it is not an easy one for others to replicate. David is to be commended for his courage in taking on the project and executing it with such style and excellence. >She has taken her own path and, fortunately for us, as she has grown and transcended, soaring on >the waves of mind and beauty, she has been so kind as to take us with her and the life of sacrifice >she gave us was to our good and enrichment. While some may see her life as being privileged and charmed, I do believe she has sacrificed and suffered much to bring us her music. She could have sold out years ago and rode along with what sold and was popular and had a much easier time of it (at least on the surface). But she defied any temptation to do that and stubbornly and courageously took the much more lonely road of following her own heart and vision. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 06:12:24 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Who is RKOPF? NJC well, if she was a FEMALE pre-school teacher, how come the post said "HE has died". strange message... wallyk >Member Name: RKOPF >Location: Battle Creek MI >Sex: Female >Hobbies: Reading >Computers: Pentium >Occupation: Pre-School Teacher >MG > >>At 05:59 PM 6/5/99 -0300, Wally Kairuz wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Please remove this name from your mailing list. He has died. Thank-you ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 05:44:28 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: XTC (NJC) Gina wrote: >NP: XTC - Apple Venus, Vol. I - it is soooooo good...makes me wonder where >I've been all these years being a casual fan and never owning a CD by these >guys. Jody sent me a cassette copy and we all love it so much at my house >that I had to go out and buy the disk. I have something called Wax Works (a >hits compilation) but most of those songs don't even sound like the same >band. Any recommendations for what I should get next by them?Oh no, that's >all I need is more music I *have* to have! Since you're enjoying AV1 so much, I would have to say that your best bet would be to pick up _Skylarking_ next. In a lot of ways it's their most consistent album and it has more in common sonically/stylistically with AV1 than many of their other albums, especially the earliest ones. Also, Todd Rundgren's production on the album is nothing short of brilliant, which alone makes it worth checking out. It's really hard to go wrong no matter which you end up getting, though, as all of their albums contain some real gems, and most can be found criminally underpriced -- a friend of mine recently found _Oranges and Lemons_, _Rag and Bone Buffet_, and _Nonsuch_ all for around $7. Another option for you might be to pick up the 2-disc _Fossil Fuel, The XTC Singles 1977-92_ compilation. Although it is only available as an import in the US, it's still quite reasonably priced. It's a great overview of the band's catalog, collecting all of their single releases up to and including the _Nonsuch_ album. Listening to it, you get a real feel for the band's evolution, and you'll probably be surprised at how many of the latter-day songs you recognize without knowing you knew them (at least this seems to be the case with many friends I've played the second disc for). You'll already be familiar with a great deal of the material on Disc One, since you already own the _Waxworks_ compilation, but there are a few songs on it that didn't appear on that earlier release ("No Thugs in Our House," "Respectable Street" and "Ten Feet Tall," all of which are fine songs), and the sound quality has been improved upon. Once you have the disc, you can also decide what periods of their music you like best, then check out their album releases from those times. There's also a single-disc US release entitled _Upsy Daisy Assortment_ that, while not as comprehensive, might be a little easier to find and should also do the trick. Cheers, Jase NP: Sleater-Kinney, _The Hot Rock_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:25:14 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Re: detuning question On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:04:36 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" wrote: > OK...quick question. I found the great website where there are all the > detunings for joni songs...and I have worked out several of them. But > I was wondering whether there is a site to describe where one puts > ones fingers once the guitar is detuned? Or have all you clever > guitarists just figured it out for yourselves? Moi not so > clever...someone sent me the 'finger placement' things for Peoples > Parties, but I just wanted to know if there's a whole lot of > instructions floating around out there? > The best place for Joni's tabs is Sue McNamara's Guitar Files at: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/ Nearly all of Joni's guitar songs have been transcribed and can be found there. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:41:56 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) Like Terry, I also feel that I am not very articulate. And I'm certainly not as knowledgeable as others on the list about modern music and politics. When the subject is something political, I often find that others say things I totally agree with (sometimes in reply to other points of view that I totally disagree with), but say it so much better and more completely than I ever could that I feel no need to say "me too". Recently I mentioned to another lister that I felt like people ignored the things I said here - and I wondered to her if for some reason people did not like me - if I had broken some unwritten communication rule(s). In spite of her reassurances, I fear that there are people here who find my communications kind of boring. Also, it takes me personally a lot of time to write something well-thought-out and usually I don't have a whole lot of time. I sure have learned a lot about music from this list and have enjoyed many of the political discussions. I'm glad that there are a lot of people who are not afraid to speak their minds about things. Best of all, I have found some kindred spirits here. It's still amazing to me that sharing a love of Joni's music is like an instant common ground that doesn't have a parallel, in my life anyway, except with my sisters and old school friends. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:56:23 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) In a message dated 6/6/99 8:40:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, m.russell@iaea.org writes: > Recently I mentioned to another lister that I felt like people ignored > the things I said here - and I wondered to her if for some reason people > did not like me - if I had broken some unwritten communication rule(s). > In spite of her reassurances, I fear that there are people here who find > my communications kind of boring. I don't think your posts are at all boring. You come across as a really nice, sincere, intelligent and warm person with a full and interesting life. In my opinion, there is nothing boring about such attributes. You are a musician. I am not. Sometimes I feel so dense when there are discussions going about about the "devil's chord" but even so, I read these in hopes that some of it will sink in to this musically illiterate brain of mine. And lo and behold, I'm learning a little! Terry and Catgirl's enthusiastic posts about playing the guitar have even put me in fantasy mode about learning to play myself! I was thinking some time ago when you posted about your shows in Vienna, how the next time I am in Europe how I would love to fly to your city and catch one of your shows and shake your hand and have a drink and chat about Joni and anything at all! Take care, Gina NPIMH: She pulls the shade, it's just another sunny Sunday... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:05:39 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) Oh I wish I had the time to really think about what I want to say on this issue, but I'm running out the door in a little while for a nice vacation. I agree with what a lot of the occasional posters have said. I don't think I'm articulate enough (and so many of you I could swear are journalists). I get the digest version and I too feel like it's too late to respond to a post (just like this one). My typing skills are lousy ( I almost failed typing in high school). Most of all, I am a shy person and when I occasionally post, I wake up the next morning to read the digest with the anxiety that I will get ridiculed from the JMDL police. On a happier note, I was so glad to read that two of the JMDLer's who have helped me feel better about myself when it comes to posting, got to meet. Wonderful people such as Bob and Catgirl whom I occasionally e-mail privately always give me the courage to post more often, and I'm so glad they got to meet in Philly (along with Brian). Well I'm off on a seven day cruise..............I'll miss the JMDL while I'm gone. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:42:40 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) In a message dated 99-06-06 08:40:28 EDT, m.russell@iaea.org writes: >Recently I mentioned to another lister that I felt like people ignored >the things I said here - and I wondered to her if for some reason people >did not like me - if I had broken some unwritten communication rule(s). >In spite of her reassurances, I fear that there are people here who find >my communications kind of boring. > > No, no, no, no and 1,100 times no!!! I don't think that it is anyone ignoring you as much as it is that participation and response is on a delayed-time kind of thing. I can't begin to tell you how many interesting posts I've read, but by the time I finished w/ the day's JMDL reading, I was out of time and had to go to work, attend to kids, whatever. Once back at the e-mail, it was not as fresh in my mind to respond to or participate in. Your posts have been wonderful - especially the Bob Dylan fest report! I think that neither you nor Terry nor anyone else out there should put such negative spins on your contriibutions! MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:30:47 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Positively asking for it! (NJC) Gina, in her post on 'why so many don't post', wrote >I sort of feel I asked for that response in a way......I spontaneously reacted .....BUT I did learn a lesson from it...... We all, I repeat ALL, have something of value to contribute, as long as we do so with some measure of consideration for others. > This discussion on the dangers of posting to discussion lists is fascinating - I *so* agree with Gina's comments that I'm prepared to risk a "me too". In fact, often that is all I really want to post but I know this is frowned upon - a shame, I think. It never bothers me when I see someone respond this way - it feels more like a real conversation with a lot of friendly like-minded people. Personally I usually have several drafts on the go, most of which I never send. But occasionally one reaches a point where I really want to send it - I quickly re-read it and then let the arrow hover over the 'send' button - shall I? shan't I? Yes! ---click----gone! Time for a coffee. I don't know whether others have noticed a strange phenomenon - that once you get back with your coffee and read what you've just sent, somehow the tone and emphasis of what you thought you had said has mysteriously changed - and suddenly there are all these spelling mistakes and grammatical errors - where did they come from?!? I recently had a chastening experience. Reading someone claim on a Folk Radio DJ discussion list that Dylan was, in fact, writing about fellow songwriter, Phil Ochs, in his song 'Positively 4th Street' (the one that starts "You've got a lot of nerve to say you are my friend, when I was down you just stood there grinning"), I thought I would pose the question to HWY61 - surely the experts of all things Bob (as JMDL is to Joni) would know. The very next day there were three separate replies. The first just said brashly "No". The second, with equal conviction, just said "Yes" and the third (the clincher) just said "Maybe". Laughing out loud at the third, I immediately rattled off a 'thank you' letter to the list saying what a wonderfully helpful and useful resource they had turned out to be ----BIG mistake!! LESSON 1: Frivolous sarcasm and cynicism are not funny in e-mails - especially to strangers wearing anorak's with Tarantulas in their pockets. The next day this came back to me - "...but allll the people can't be alll right ALLLL o' the time Do you take me for such a fool To think I'd make contact With the one who tries to hide What he don't know to begin wiiiiiith !!!!???!!!! I have a sneaking suspicion that Bob himself lurks on HWY61 and when he's feeling particularly bratty, just lets one go!! Blushin' PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 09:15:19 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: So Far Away Helen wrote: "Yet again I'm reminded what a pain it is to live so far away from other Joni-lovers!" This week, our local entertainment newpaper here in Santa Cruz had this on the front page: "We've Got To Get Ourselves Back To The Garden" Well now, if we put two and two together, it's time to create the Joni commune. We can all give up our "...name on the door on the 33rd floor in the air.." our mortgages, our car payments, etc. and create a 365 day a year Joni content only Woodstock. They say the 90s is the 60s standing on your head. "Dream on dreamer" Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 10:47:11 -0600 From: katej Subject: feel like a joni novice Yes I do, but I love her music as much as anyone. Sometimes the 'musical' aspects of the conversations here are way above my head, as I am not a musician, but I love to hear Joni anecdotes and how Joni's music has fitted into everyone else's life. I keep an online journal, and there are the odd times when I feel empty of anything to say. When that happens, I just put on a Joni cd to solve the problem instantly, because I am immediately filled with emotion so intense that it just has to find its way out. Some day I am going to participate in the tape tree thing. It sounds wonderful -- a whole new world is going to open up to me, isn't it? Right now, there is a shortage of $ in my home, and cassettes and postage are a luxury I can't afford. But these things pass, and someday.... Sorry to see we have lost a member. I don't know who the person was, but it has made me pause and think about how quickly we can be taken from this world. Enjoy every moment you have here. Kate of the North np:NRH http://www.emailjournal.com/journals/diary/seeabove001.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 13:09:11 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: Lamadoo chimes in Go Terry M! Yes, by all means, please post as often as you wish. I too enjoy your posts. I mean BOTH the musical posts and the psychological ones.:-D - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:07:31 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) Marian writes.... << Recently I mentioned to another lister that I felt like people ignored the things I said here - and I wondered to her if for some reason people did not like me - if I had broken some unwritten communication rule(s). In spite of her reassurances, I fear that there are people here who find my communications kind of boring. Also, it takes me personally a lot of time to write something well-thought-out and usually I don't have a whole lot of time. I sure have learned a lot about music from this list and have enjoyed many of the political discussions. I'm glad that there are a lot of people who are not afraid to speak their minds about things. Best of all, I have found some kindred spirits here. It's still amazing to me that sharing a love of Joni's music is like an instant common ground that doesn't have a parallel, in my life anyway, except with my sisters and old school friends. Marian Vienna >> I feel the same way at times. I say stuff and get a no comment from the list. Oh well, I just keep plugging along with my one liners...sorry to take up mail space but sometimes all I want to say is thats right I agree with you!! I am trying to just post them to the individual rather then clog of our mail. sometimes though I feel that I should let the list know as well that I agree with someone so that everyone knows where I am coming from as well. Feel free to talk. That is what the list is here fo rto share and to learn! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:26:46 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: aol IM (NJC) In a message dated 6/6/99 3:17:10 AM Central Daylight Time, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: << but if anyone wants to look me up on aol IM, my nick is jt5440. I don't always seem to remember to log onto IM, but quite often I do. Anyway, hope to babble to some of y'all soon.>> Evian, I'll add you to my JMDL "buddy list", and ecourage anybody who likes to IM to add me to their lists. I also look forward to babbling with you, especially if you're REALLY Joni!! ;~) <> No way Dude - Rock on! As for me, I'm a DIRTY WHITE BOY!! Bob NP: Rolling Stones "Cherry Oh Baby" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:54:40 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: meetings In a message dated 6/5/99 7:09:25 PM Central Daylight Time, TheHotelNH@aol.com writes: << I'm in AL...have we any other southerners? I'm kind of new to the list, so how about southern meet and greets? I'd even love to go to one out on the west coast. >> Chris, when you do travel be sure a give a "heads up", you may just strike JMDL gold and hook up with JMDLer's in that area. The closest thing we've had to a Southern Meet n' Greet is when a bunch of us from TN, FL, SC & Ga met in Atlanta prior to seeing Joni's birthday show. I'd love for someone to put together another Southern get-together, of course for the time being Ashara's is party central! In other joni-related stories, my wife and I were out dining last night at a fine restaurant when she identified "This Flight Tonight" and told me they were playing Joni...as it turned out, they played the entire Blue album, unfortunately it was down so low it was hard to hear. But still, pretty cool! Also, in the new BMG magazine, there's a great quarter-page review of TTT with a blow-up pic of the cover. It says: "On the heels of her Grammy-winning "Turbulent Indigo", Joni Mitchell has once again raised the bar for emotional, intelligent songwriting. "Taming The Tiger" explores her soul's atmospheric range. Mitchell's gently smokey voice, though still limber, smolders along the blue neck of her guitar in Love Puts On a New Face. The textured Harlem in Havana grooves with stifled Latin percussive urges. And on the simple, romantic The Crazy Cries of Love, Joni shimmies her magnificent voice into hidden corners of the sonic spectrum. This is not your mother's Joni, but it wouldn't be like this quixotic innovator to stand still for long - Reviewed by Harris Poor" Very nice, although from what I understand about BMG, if someone picks up a disc as a "free" selection, the artist receives little or no royalties as a result of the licensing agreement. Anyway, maybe some new folks will pick up on TTT with this nice feature review... Bob NP: Stones, "Crazy Mama" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 20:09:43 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) This just proves that we are not good judges of ourselves! I have always thought of you as an intellectual musician! And one who shares articulately. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 20:17:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) The reason I don't write much in response to JC are 1. I know nothing about music, 2. dissectic and critic-ing lyrics is not my forte. When i read what others write regarding a lyric or guitar stuff, I know I am out of my depth. Although when it comes to discussing lyrics, i have never been much into that anyway-either they make sense to me or they don't. I am not into guessing what the writer actually meant. A lot of HOSL is meaningless to me but I love the album. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:35:25 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) Marian: No way! Yours are among my favorite posts, almost must-reads! I even have a collection of the Best of Marian! Now take this back, and know that you are loved and treasured! (the Rev) Vince Marian Russell wrote: > Recently I mentioned to another lister that I felt like people ignored > the things I said here - and I wondered to her if for some reason people > did not like me - if I had broken some unwritten communication rule(s). > In spite of her reassurances, I fear that there are people here who find > my communications kind of boring. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:37:01 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) My last post should have said "always" must-reads, not almost... I was so distraught by Marian's doubts that I couldn't type the right words! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:53:19 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Carey Comments and Question on TTT/Cut TTT > Debbe in Birmingham (AL) posted: I could relate to what Catgirl said on > yesterday's or today's post. > Though I read the list every day, I have hesitated to post (though I > have sent posts to JMDL individuals) for fear of saying something stupid > or asking something stupid and being ridiculed, because I have read some > responses that I felt were brutally insensitive. > Debbe, it was for that reason that I lurked here for many months before my first post. Now I am on here maybe too much, but every time someone does gets blasted, and it happens, unfortunately, they get support many times over, fortunately. People here have a real sense of community, so trust that fans of Joni will be good people and you are most welcome here as part of the nonstop Joni party! Meanwhile, I have no clue as to Anna in TTT. I often have no clue to anything... but as Joni said, "life is for learning" and here is a good place for it. I am sure someone else will have some insights into Anna. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:05:57 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) > This just proves that we are not good judges of ourselves! I have always > thought of you as an intellectual musician! And one who shares articulately. Me, too! Gina, Terry and Marian are totally articulate and eloquent writers as is just about everyone I read on the list. That has always been one of the main appeals of the the list for me - the great writing. And great writing, to me, does not have much at all to do with grammar or spelling or even subject matter. Some of the most brilliant people I know make common spelling or grammar errors. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:20:32 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #22 Hi there, Some records take a little more time to get to you, than others do : Carol Elliott - The People I Meet ( Taxim Records ) is such a record. It landed in my mailbox several weeks ago, but it's just in the latest couple of days that it have started to get my attention! Carol Elliott's clear, penetrating voice and songwriting intelligence place her her in the forefront of folk music's singer-songwriters. You can easily place her beside such legendary artists as Nanci Griffiths, Emmylou Harris and Lucinda Williams, and her singing and songwriting holds up real well. An Atlanta native, Elliott started performing during her summer breaks from college at Stone Mountain Park in Georgia and Opryland USA in Tennessee. After graduating with a degree in English she moved to San Fransisco. There for a traditionally raised southern belle, she began the unlikely career of street singer with occasional opening slots for David Crosby and John Hammond at the Great American Music Hall. Elliott moved to Nashvillle to seriously pursue her songwriting. Her first major cut was with Michael Martin Murphy. The song "Corn, Water & Wood" ( co-written with Wendy Waldman ) won the Wrangler Award from the National Cowboy Hall Of Fame for Best Western Song Of The Year. Her new album, "The People I Meet", features her own original songs plus songs by Mark Germino and Walter Hyatt. Backing is provided by Buddy Mondlock, Steve Gibson, Victor Krauss, Pat McInerney, Byron House, Bill Miller and others. For copies of this beautiful album, please write : Taxim Records Am Dobben 3 273 30 Asendorf Germany Email: versand@taxim.com Website: http://www.taxim.com Great album by a great artist! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:50:43 -0400 (EDT) From: picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith) Subject: Re: Why so many don't post My main reason for not posting is lack of time anymore. There is another reason, however and I'm wondering how many of the old-timers will agree with this. I came to the JMDL about six months after its inception, and at the time, Joni was not touring, and had no plans for touring...ever. There was a feeling of melancholy of Joni sightings, Joni concerts, and the like. Everything was always referred to in the past-tense. It was actually painful to publicly express hope that Joni would ever give a concert again. We always referred to it as a snowball's chance in you-know-where. But as painful as it was, we never gave up hope. Then one day, one of Joni's friends found our list and was extremely touched and moved about heartfelt things that were being said about Joni. She heard our desperate cry for her to perform live again and how much we all truly loved her. Connections were finally made, and many of us had our deepest heart's desires fulfilled. For many of us, it was a turning point in our lives; we were able to move on. It's not that we love Joni and her music less; it's just that we've found a way to incorporate her into our own dreams and desires. She restored our faith by showing us that she really does care, and that WE are the ones she really writes for. I still listen to and love her music. It's just that now, all those years of soulsearching with her music as a guide has brought me full circle to the place I am today. The JMDL is much stronger and more whole than it's ever been. That is what happens when people come together to realize a dream. At times, it was extremely painful, and some of you have recently experienced similar feelings while being a part of this group. But when all is said and done...I wouldn't have missed this ride for the world. Sherelle P.S. Very saddened to hear about Mel Torme. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:09:48 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: All good things joni come to those who wait What a weekend it has been for this joni fan.....the one down under, who constantly complains about being so far away from all things joni... Of course I went to that fantastic joni tribute concert, but then another joni surprise came my way yesterday: Lazy Sunday afternoon, nothing much to do, my boyfriend and I go for a drive - - now i don't know about the US, but in Australia we have 'council clean up days' where u put your old junk on the street for the local government to pick up and take to the dump - so we are checking out some trash (as u do??) and we find old record players and lamps and candle sticks, nothing too exciting.....BUT then we stumble across four boxes full of old records....and the first one I pull out of the masses is BLUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I reckon there would have been over 200 records - eight joni's - blue, hejira, WTRF, FTR, CAS, Clouds, Miles.., LOTC. YAY YAY YAY This is after hours spent searching thru record piles in op-shops, going to record stores, craving joni records, finding a few, wanting heaps more. The piles of records also included the complete Led Zepplin collection, Pink Floyd, Simon and Garfunkel, Neil Young, Crosby Still and Nash, Janis Ian, Carol King, The Beatles collection, all the Rolling Stone albums....and the list goes on. And I finally got to see that James Taylor album cover (with the cat braces that joni made him) that I have heard discussed on the list....how cool is that. What a JONI weekend it has been for me...the sad thing about our wonderful "find" was that it made me wonder why someone would throw out so much stuff, along side the records were suit cases full of photos of family, graduation ceremonies, trips around the world....who's belongings were these, did they die? was there a terrible divorce...can't help but wonder. But at least their wonderful albums are truely being treasured! Thoughts from Ange Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:09:33 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: radio station Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:14:43 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Just found a site where you can put together your own radio station. Mine, for example has a mixture of jazz, Bruce Cockburn, lots of Joni and more..... listen here http://www.imagineradio.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=slarty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:19:45 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Bittersweet Weak (NJC) Hello All- It has been bittersweet week in my life and I wanted to share it with all of you. Last Thursday, Nikki Reyes (our hostess from Jukebox) and myself got a chance to do an interview with Brian Blade, who was doing a set with Seal at the House of Blues. We had a chance to have quite a long visit with Brian and he was just wonderful as usual. He is such an amazing person and so humble. I also had a few minutes to talk with Mike Landau who was very friendly and Tony Levin who told me he is committed to Seal's tour through the end of the year (which means he will not be joining the King Crimson tour this fall). So as far as I am concerned it won't be King Crimson (especially since he also said that Bill Bruford will not be doing it as well) big boo hoo! I have got the interview on tape and will probably bring it with me to Ashara's for viewing and duplication. The tape also contains footage from the sound check with the full band without Seal. Sailing on this incredible high I headed over to the studio to do the Live Jukebox of the week and I got a call from my sister in Honduras. I could tell by her voice immediately that there was something wrong and it scared me so bad cause I was afraid it might be my dad. It was almost as bad! A close family friend, Father Earl (Gallagher), a Capuchin priest, was hit by a cab in NYC, while he was on vacation. Earl lived up on the mountains of Honduras in Octopeque. He was kind of an old hippie type that reminded me of George Carlin in a way. The first time I met him, he and another priest were all lounging with my mother in her bed (fully clotherd of course), but just a little odd for Catholic priests. Nonetheless, this was sort of the way it was around my house, especially since my mothers room was where we all gravitated to (especially since she kept it freezing cold with the air conditioner). We had so many laughs in those days and of course my mom was sort of the ringleader to all these characters that ended up at Chez Paz. Earl and my mom were VERY close and he was effected really hard by her death in October of 96. He was one of the priests that attended her funeral although that is all a blur for me know. My sister told me that lately he had made some really big donations to our foundation to help with the new additions to the free clinic. I still can't believe that he is gone and he will be missed so much, especially by the people of his parish, where he worked so hard for the poor and sick. I had always heard that deaths come in 3's. What I am wondering is when the hell is it 3? When I read the post about RKopf@aol.com "Please remove this name from your mailing list. He has died. Thank-you" It made me so incredibly sad. I did not know this person at all and yet they were a part of the community that was here for what ever Joni reasons. What number was she? I don't know you guys, I am just sort of numb right now. Does this mean I am building up a resistance or becoming immune? I send out my prayers to all of the family, friends, and brothers and sisters that we have lost and for all of us who are left behind. I am also continuing to pray for the end of this terrible situation is Kosovo. My you all have a much better week this week and know that I am doing ok (considering the circumstances) and I am held up by a rock solid foundation called the JMDL. Love and Peace, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:20:57 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Devil's chord and devil's interval (JC added) While the 'home' chord in Purple Haze is, indeed an E7+9, the FIRST chord in the song-the intro-is 'stacked tritones': Bb-E-Bb-E This chord contains an amazing three tritones-very devilish! I also agree with Howard that the churchs' prohibition was against the flat 5th interval, although I recently saw a reference by a heavy metal band to "the devil chord of Monteverdi", but have been unable to find out any more about it. RR FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Howard Wright wrote: > > >>Jime Hendrix's intro to Purple Haze is maybe the most famous use of the > >>tritone. > > Actually, Jimi's Purple Haze chord is an augmented ninth, also called a sharp > nine chord, which is a dominant seventh chord with a raised (also termed > sharped or augmented) ninth added on top (see David Lahm's elucidation on the > F7#9-no root chord, although Purple Haze is in E). The "zing" of that pungent > chord comes from the simultaneous major third and minor third eleven > half-steps above (which is the raised ninth). > > True, there is also a tritone within the chord consisting of the major third > and the dominant seventh, but as Howard rightly points out, this interval is > in every run-of-the-mill dominant seventh chord and is not especially crunchy. > > By way of relating this all to Joni, that augmented ninth chord makes several > appearances in the Charlie Mingus chestnut Goodbye Porkpie Hat. > > -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:28:39 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Guitar Page Ange- Go here, but beware you will probably develop a severe but quite healthy and beautiful addiction. People have been known to miss work and forget everything else, for the sheer joy of learning another Joni tuning and song. When you get tired of tuning and tuning you can purchase a VG-8 and store all your tunings in its memory. http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/ Happy learning. And sign up for the Labor Day Joni Jam at Ashara's. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:29:09 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Below tbe Bible Belt Hi Chris- Welcome to the list. I am in New Orleans and have met several of our list members coming through town and even some that live here. Let me know if you plan to visit town and we can get together. BTW I love the book Hotel New Hampshire. Best, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:49:08 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni's master tapes safe The master tapes to all of Joni's pre '90's albums were recorded on defective tape, and were in danger of deteriorating beyond usability, but apparently have been saved. The problem affects MOST of the recorded popular music of that period, due to a defective binder formula used by Ampex, by far the most widely used brand of recording tape at that time (they are now Quantegy). This comes from Billboard 6/5/99, which also ran a picture of Joni with Stevie Wonder and ASCAP's Marilyn Bergman (the same pic is on ASCAP's website): (excerpted) INDUSTRY'S CATALOG AT RISK Archived Tapes Could Be Lost To Binder Problem An estimated 500,000 master tapes, backup "safety" copies, and session reels recorded from about 1971 to 1991 are sitting on the shelves of U.S. record company and recording studio vaults in unplayable condition because of a chemical flaw in their binder formulation. Among these unstable tapes is the majority of the industry's albums and singles of that era-perhaps 85% of all releases, according to industry sources. The music on these tapes is the most exploitable of all company catalog material.... The unstable binder of these half million tapes is the layer that holds the recordable oxide material to the plastic polyurethane base. Over time, it takes on excess moisture from the air, rising to the surface of the tape in a sticky or shedding state. If these tapes are played without first being heated, or "baked," to restabilize the binder, they are permanently damaged or ruined... The process is time-consuming. Each tape must be heated for about eight hours. Several more hours are required to set up a real-time transfer. To put the problem in perspective, if a crew of six engineers, working an eight-hour shift, attempted to stabilize and transfer every one of the industry's at-risk tapes, it would take them 17 years.... The list of artists whose recordings are on sticky-shed tape would fill this entire page.... .....Not surprisingly, seven of the eight artists who have received Billboard's Century Award for distinguished creative achievement- Billy Joel, James Taylor, Joni Mitchell, Buddy Guy, Santana, Chet Atkins, and Emmylou Harris-are among the thousands whose tapes have deteriorated....[George Harrison] recorded on EMI tape, which doesn't have the problem.... [Joe Gastwirt, chief engineer at the Los Angeles-based Gateway Mastering] also had to bake "all of Joni Mitchell's pre 90's tape," as well as "Fleetwood Mac's 70's and 80's pop stuff" and "virtually everything after 1970" for the Grateful Dead. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:17:09 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: All good things joni come to those who wait In a message dated 6/6/1999 6:12:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ATAKATS@ninenet.com.au writes: << What a JONI weekend it has been for me...the sad thing about our wonderful "find" was that it made me wonder why someone would throw out so much stuff, along side the records were suit cases full of photos of family, graduation ceremonies, trips around the world....who's belongings were these, did they die? was there a terrible divorce...can't help but wonder. But at least their wonderful albums are truely being treasured! >> Sydney, Congratualtions on your AWESOME find!!! It was meant to be is what I say!!! I just got real lucky this week myself. I was able to get two Joni songbooks at great prices over this past week. Thanks to all who did not bet against me on these. I had the joni Complete Vol one but it is really in tatters so I am thrilled to be getting one that is in much better shape. The Court and Spark Songbook is one I don't have but have longed for. This one is supposed to be in great condition. One of the things I learned is never give up the search!! Bob and Brain and I were down on South Street in Philadelphia Pennsylvania and we found some Joni on vinyl for 4 bucks each. We bought STAS and Mingus for the give-a-ways. The thing about albums that I LOVE so much is that you can actually see the cover. STAS cover is so beautiful!!! It is worthy of framing!! It sounds like the person who left this stuff out must have gone crazy. I mean who in their right mind would ever get rid of their old Joni albums??? Catgirl...keeping her vinyl album covers in plastic bags to protect the covers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:11:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's master tapes safe Randy wrote: > The master tapes to all of Joni's pre '90's albums were recorded > on defective tape, and were in danger of deteriorating beyond > usability, but apparently have been saved. > The process is time-consuming. Each tape must be heated for > about eight hours. Several more hours are required to set up a > real-time transfer. Geez, this is scary. The old tapes I made years ago are all for the most part deteriorated but I'd always assumed that the professionals in the industry were vigilant in keeping master tapes well-preserved. I'm glad they thought of a solution before it was too late (and seemed to have put Joni at the top of the priority list). The Baking of Summer Lawns ;-) Kakki, heating up the oven for her old 8-tracks ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:57:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's master tapes safe kakki, it is imperative that you get your tapes copied on to cd. tapes DO get ruined beyond hope. i am paying someone to copy my old tapes, especially those with the songs that i wrote and recorded when i was a teenager. only recently did i discover that i still had them and i took that as a sign. i wouldn't even know how to play -- much less how to reach the high notes!!! -- if i tried now. get hold of your old gems, kakki. wallyk - -----Original Message----- De: Kakki Para: Randy Remote ; JoniList Fecha: Domingo 6 de Junio de 1999 17:37 Asunto: Re: Joni's master tapes safe >Geez, this is scary. The old tapes I made years ago are all for the most >part deteriorated but I'd always assumed that the professionals in the >industry were vigilant ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:27:34 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Why Others Don't Post I wanted to respond to Penny's (Zapuppy) post entitled "Why Others Don't Post" earlier but I accidentally deleted it, twice! Yeeeeesh. Either my mouse is ultra-sensitive these days or I am just plain klutzy. Anyway, I wanted to quote from it but since I can't I wanted to say how much I appreciated such a sincere and honest portrayal of what it feels like to be a member of a list and the considerations which go into the whole "to post or not to post" thought process. Penny is the first friend I made on the list and I can't thank her enough for the encouragement and support she has provided me in regard to my participation. If it wasn't for Penny, I may not have had the courage or self-confidence to stick it out here. It's always hard for me in a new situation and it takes a long time for me to feel comfortable enough to be truly myself. Thanks Penny, you're my JMDL guardian angel !! Take care, Gina NP: my daughter practicing the flute ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:57:26 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Why Others Don't Post In a message dated 6/6/1999 9:32:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << I may not have had the courage or self-confidence to stick it out here. It's always hard for me in a new situation and it takes a long time for me to feel comfortable enough to be truly myself. Thanks Penny, you're my JMDL guardian angel !! >> Well this surprised me Gina!! You always have such intelligent things to say. I find myself quite often shaking my head in agreement of what you have to offer. If being here on the lists does that much transformation I guess I am here until they plant me in the dirt..... 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