From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #244 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, June 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 244 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- David Bromberg Band Tour (NJC) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Philly Meet n' Greet (long...pull up a chair) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Philly Meet n' Greet (long...pull up a chair) [RMuRocks@aol.com] JTOTM (thanks David!) ["P. Henry" ] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] RE: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Ron Sexsmith covers "Borderline" [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Re: Ron Sexsmith covers "Borderline" [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #243 [RKopf@aol.com] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Mel Torme - NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Devil's chord and devil's interval (JC added) [FredNow@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V4 #243 ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: JMDL Digest V4 #243 (NJC) [luvart@snet.net] RE: Why so many don't post? (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) [catman ] info about California (NJC) [TheHotelNH@aol.com] meetings [TheHotelNH@aol.com] re:why so many don't post ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: re:why so many don't post ["Mark or Travis" ] Carey Comments and Question on TTT/Cut TTT [Hyatt McClennen > It's funny, when JMDL'ers get together, we seem to talk until someone tells us we have to quit!! It's not like we run out of things to say...:~) There seems to be a constant comment on the Jonifests that folks just can't get around to meeting and spending time with everyone; that's why the small gatherings are so great. Pearl is a wonderful person; thanks to her I have 2 great photos of Joni & Me! Thanks for sharing your story too! Bob NP: Traffic, "Empty Pages" (CD I picked up in one of the shops in Philly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 09:00:13 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) In a message dated 6/5/99 2:24:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Zapuppy@webtv.net writes: << I hope other lurkers will come out and play? If you don't want to play with us, will you tell us why? >> Penny, What a wonderfully honest, frank letter. I love this list, but don't participate as much as I'd like to for a few reasons. Joni's lyrics aren't what pull me towards loving her work; it's the music- her voice, the rhythms and style. She could be singing Do Re Mi and I'd still love it all. When discussions about guitar pop up, I'm thrilled, but even so...I don't understand half of that because I'm not formally trained. I have no idea what a B flat7 sustained chord is! Much of the JC discussion is lyric oriented and though I realize the importance of that to most fans, it just isn't so much for me. Of course, I know how much I'm missing out by *not* studying them, but oh well... I'm also not politically inclined. So I stay out of those discussions entirely. I have strong feelings about other NJ issues that come up, but I'm just not the type of person who feels comfortable jumping into heated discussions about that. I listen to all sides, know where I stand, and leave it at that. Call me an internet wimp. Wait, I think I did get heated up over some issues over the years here..oh yea..it was over the whole Kilaurean adoption/reunion. But most of all, I'm just not as articulate as most who do post regularly, so I'm happy just reading their wonderful posts and piping in with an occasional note. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 09:10:09 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) I thought this was a great post, and I thank you, Penny. I am quoting the parts that I thought I wanted to read again. (the Rev) Vince > I can't share on-list as deeply as I'd like because of the risk of my > heart getting picked apart by the few listers out there that don't seem > to give a rip about being insensitive and hurtful. I still remember a > comment Gina received on list, personally directed at her for airing a > differing opinion on Hejira telling her "the internet is no place for > the thin skinned...get it! got it! good!" If an opinion of Hejira > evokes such harsh words, why would I feel safe to share my heartfelt > takes of songs or issues that are being discussed? Maybe when I get old > and cold and settled in my ways I'll be able to take some of the hurtful > things that get dished, but thankfully I'm still pretty soft hearted. > > 4. Although I love Joni's music and will probably always feel she'll > remain head and shoulders above every other artist I'll ever hear, > Joni's lyrics aren't necessarily what I like to talk about, rather the > effect her lyrics have had on me in my life. To relay that requires > trust and transparency. And there are just enough thorns in this > absolutely beautiful rose bush named the JMDL, that I for one, navigate > it very slowly. It's not a matter of shyness for me, it's simple > caution. > > 5. I like to joke around a lot, but I get paranoid people will > misunderstand my sense of humor. I referred to Bob the other day as > "Smart ass Bob", Bob knew I was joking, (even though he really is a > smart ass! LOL) But understand, smart ass has probably reached the > status of a term of endearment in my vocabulary from being called that > myself from the time I spoke my first words! How was I to know they > weren't praising me?! After all, they were always smiling or laughing > when they said it! ;-) So anyway, if I start to fear my humor will be > missed, I come off as always serious and heavy.... yuk!...honey, that > ain't me. Just like Joni was a party animal in her school days to her > friends that knew her, she's typically thought of as introverted and > heavy by those that don't know her. > > I hope other lurkers will come out and play? If you don't want to play > with us, will you tell us why? > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 09:11:50 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Philly Meet n' Greet (long...pull up a chair) In a message dated 6/4/99 11:46:17 AM Central Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << i only hope people won't turn around and go back home when they notice me at ashara's this september. >> You should be OK with a name like Wally...besides, a lot of us will be a long way from home and once we get there, we're stuck for the duration! :~) Bob NP: Traffic "Light Up or Leave Me Alone" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 06:13:53 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: JTOTM (thanks David!) previously I wrote: " it does not surprise me that this album is honored in the jazz world and I expect much more to come. as far as jazz goes, I am more drawn to the soft guitar/keyboard type but, after getting this cd (thanks wally) I am convinced that this is some of the best you can get. David, you guys did great! this is something someone just had to do! thanks for doing it! pat" to this I would like to add the follosing: there is a difference, in most cases, between a standard that's 'jazzed up', jammed, and improvised upon by a bunch of jazz musicians and a jazz song... both are great and the musicians give their all in both cases but, in cases where there *is* a difference, you had a jazz song in disguise from the start... there *is* a music which IS jazz and, like classical music, it comes from a *very* deep and original place which makes their creators really necessary parts of the human race as a whole Joni's music was *always* deep and original and so intense that the confines of popular music could barely comprehend, much less, contain the dynamics of what she heard in her heart... but she was patient with us in her quiet way. she became folkie earth mother to the 60's and called her own out with a lyric and a song the likes of which we had only dreamed about and began leading us into light, as it were,.. she became rock 'n roll sweetheart and played gut=bucket blues for us, like following us to our favorite hangout and buying us a drink and taking us bar-hopping with her and then taking us down to the jazz place where she really wanted to go and take us all along... hey, take it or leave it, jazz is the only idiom that does her dynamic range of thoughts and emotions and sounds, arranged as has never been done before, justice... in fact, I defy anyone to name a better jazz composer in this day and time and, although I am not enough of a musician to judge, (and perhaps some of the better trained listers can speak better on it, but) I would even venture forth the speculation that her music, especially as expressed on her more recent albums, may even transcend jazz! She has taken her own path and, fortunately for us, as she has grown and transcended, soaring on the waves of mind and beauty, she has been so kind as to take us with her and the life of sacrifice she gave us was to our good and enrichment. there are a certain percentage of us who would be or were jazz musicians/fans regardless of Joni, though, I dare say, your feeling about it has altered due to her, but I suspect the majority of us would not be into the jazz we are, were it not for that sweet, sexy lady and we owe her a debt of gratitude for not leaving us in that numb, unenlightened place, but coming to us in one of her popular guises, giving us what we liked and then taking us further, drawing us out and blessing us with the openness to comprehend her and so much more! Also, her body of music remains, a perfectly graduated and profoundly effective 'beautiful music appreciation program', as a legacy to humankind and forever shall contain this path. not only do we have a poetess who can touch our very souls with her mind, but a composer of music so delicious and rare and compelling that it has a fire all it's own! SIQUOMB! to David Lahm, I can only say: I'm SO glad! it's about time! *S* perhaps now we will see more jazz players, like Herbie Hancock maybe(?), playing Joni's songs! I know there has to ba a core of hardcore purist musicians and that they must ultimately realize, as all of us have, that Joni Mitchell is one of their leaders and not one of their followers and, like all jazz greats, she will finally and ultimately be recognized practically in *their* writing and playing. personally, I hope you do 5/6 more of these and just have a ball! you are one lucky pioneer! *S* pat NP: Solid Love - JTOJM http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 09:25:20 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) Terry, with a post as articulate as this, you have no reason to say that you aren't articulate! You should be on here all the time! I am interested in what you have to say! Those of us who are posting a lot need to hear, I repeat, NEED to hear, from those who give the occasional post... and yet again, every JMDLer must do what is in their comfort zone or it is no good, so thanks for your words and do, please do, know we want to hear more from you! (the Rev) Vince TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > But most of all, I'm just not as articulate as most who do post regularly, so > I'm happy just reading their wonderful posts and piping in with an occasional > note. > > Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 09:21:04 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) In a message dated 6/5/99 8:04:43 AM Central Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << But most of all, I'm just not as articulate as most who do post regularly, so I'm happy just reading their wonderful posts and piping in with an occasional note. >> As long as you keep allowing that Dr. Mondegreen guy to use your keyboard...I think he's really VERY brilliant & articulate! :~) Both Catgirl & I pledged to each other that we would come out of lurking mode and would try to post more often...:~D Seriously, I think there's just lots of people who enjoy reading stuff and don't feel inclined to write, kinda like those who enjoy the theater but have no inclination to act. Smart-ass Bob (btw, most of other friends call me Bob-noxious..."I'm just a soul whose intentions are good, Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood":~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 09:36:28 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) Ditto from me: this is a great post! I joined the list two-ish years ago and was posting so much that my kids would be starting small bonfires on the other side of my bedroom door just to get my attention. I used to jump into every jmdl fray, dissect lyrics, etc. etc. Time ran out and I switched to digest. Tried "live" at work. Ended up w/ no time to work at work, deleting too many digests. Now I get it "live" at home and the jmdl is my morning indulgence. As Terry mentioned, though, I'm just a joni fan. Period. Doesn't matter what she sings, I love it, (usually). Although I'm definately a word person, sometimes the dissection for me is like wondering "why I love my children" or something like that. What really interests me is her emotional/psychological landscape more than anything else. > The downside of the digest is that I always feel a bit too late to respond in a timely >manner. This is true of "live" as well. I read them in the early morning and sometimes the volume makes me skip and delete. By the time I get to a post, I, too, feel as though it's a bit too late. > I'm here more for the sense of a connected >community that happens to love Joni like I do, rather than a simple love >of all things Joni. I was talking about the JMDL the other night to one Yes! During the times I've tried to balance work and family life, I've realized that the jmdl is right up there and "needs" its own time slot. The sense of community is wonderful here! I don't agree with everyone all the time, but I have made some amazing friendships; both with people I've had the pleasure of meeting in person, (most notably at Julie's party but other places as well), and those I've never met. Some of the BEST "never mets" are Colin, (a friend that I cherish beyond words), and WallyK, the latter being so incredibly wonderful to my 9 y.o. daughter, that it takes the sense of community and brings it right into my family. And there are others who know who they are. >3. I perfer more transparency and intimacy than typically goes on >on-list. I think it's important for hearts to touch and be touched. I >can't share on-list as deeply as I'd like because of the risk of my >heart getting picked apart by the few listers...SNIP...SNIP...SNIP >differing opinion on Hejira telling her "the internet is no place for >the thin skinned...get it! got it! good!" If an opinion of Hejira >evokes such harsh words, why would I feel safe to share my heartfelt >takes of songs or issues that are being discussed? It's amazing that this e=mail forum has to power to make us feel so good and the power to make us feel so little. Rather than the more sensitive learning to "toughen up," what about the less sensitive learning how to be kind? While the picking happens, I do know that there are always a flock of listers to come to the rescue. Maybe, just maybe, those who need to learn kindness have a perfect forum in the jmdl that they might not have any other place. I would love to see everyone be brave and be there and learn lessons. >absolutely beautiful rose bush named the JMDL, that I for one, navigate >it very slowly. It's not a matter of shyness for me, it's simple >caution. Love this point and it illustrates why I keep out of stuff more now than I did in the past. Why don't I say what I want to say? I did not want anyone to think I was attacking them and by the time I thought about how to word it, the moment was gone. Lessons for me to STILL learn here. >"Smart ass Bob", Bob knew I was joking, (even though he really is a >smart ass! LOL) But understand, smart ass has probably reached the >status of a term of endearment in my vocabulary from being called that >myself from the time I spoke my first words! How was I to know they >weren't praising me?! After all, they were always smiling or laughing >when they said it! ;-) So anyway, if I start to fear my humor will be >missed, I come off as always serious and heavy.... yuk!...honey, that >ain't me. Just like Joni was a party animal in her school days to her >friends that knew her, she's typically thought of as introverted and >heavy by those that don't know her. Another good point. Around here, "you moron!" is a term of EXTREME affection. Many times I'll type it out and erase it with a "whoops!" Overall, I think that there are a variety of reasons for not posting: from fear of ridicule, (we'll support you!), to fear of not being eloquent enough, (we'll love it no matter what!), to not enough time, (oh, who really needs to have dinner cooked?), to "_________." Just know, that active posting or not, you ARE a member of the JMIC and that's that. MG np "Close Your Eyes" Joni/James duet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 07:53:04 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) Terry wrote: <<>> This is a lie. - --Michael, who loves all of Terry's posts - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:26:38 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: Ron Sexsmith covers "Borderline" Last night I saw Canadian troubador Ron Sexsmith perform at the Metro Cafe here in DC. Ron is a fantastic songsmith who best work recalls the simple but affecting storytelling of Joni's "Night Ride Home" type songs. His voice keens like Radiohead's Thom Yorke and trembles like Jimmie Dale Gilmore, with the straight tenor tone of Rufus Wainwright. I highly recommend any of his three albums, particularly the second, _Other Songs_. Midway through the concert his band left the stage, and he did a couple songs solo with electric guitar. After a couple of tunes like this, he says, "I'm going to do a Joni Mitchell song now if that's OK with you." As it happens, I was wearing my _Turbulent Indigo_ shirt. So of course I applauded and cheered enthusiastically. A couple of people near me noticed I had the shirt on and pointed me out to Ron. So from the stage he made some approving comments and then said, "Wait, it's from that album! Did you know?" As it turns out, he was going to cover "Borderline." I was as astonished to hear him covering a *'90s* Joni tune as he was to see me displaying the album cover on my chest. He gave a fine rendition, as sad and resigned as Joni's is critical and angry. His chords seemed to emphasize minor intervals more than Joni's, and he was much freer with the tempo. We chatted a little bit after the show, and he was as amiable offstage as on. I gave his cover the JMDL seal of approval and headed for home (needing to rest for the 5K I was running 7 hours later). Apparently "Borderline" is a regular part of his setlist for this tour, so check him out if he makes it through your town. - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:50:48 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Ron Sexsmith covers "Borderline" In a message dated 6/5/99 11:27:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: SNIP: > Midway through the concert his band left the stage, and he did > a couple songs solo with electric guitar. After a couple of > tunes like this, he says, "I'm going to do a Joni Mitchell song > now if that's OK with you." SNIP: >As it turns out, he was going to cover "Borderline." As if I didn't like Ron Sexsmith enough already, now you're telling me he's a Joni fan and he covers Borderline in his shows. I love his sweet, quirky, melancholy voice. I believe that I missed his recent area appearance (too damn busy!) but I understand he has a new record which I am definitely going to buy, especially now that I know he's a Joni fan. The DJ on my favorite radio station said the album is very good when he was chatting informally with a guest on his show. And you're so right: how nice to hear of such a recent JM song covered. I wish he would record it. I'd love to have a listen. Take care, Gina NP: Mark Knopfler - Darling Pretty from Golden Heart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:00:47 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) In a message dated 6/5/99 10:56:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: > Terry wrote: > > << post regularly>>> > > This is a lie. I can honestly say that I enjoy reading 98% of the posts that come into my mailbox on a daily basis. AND I have a confession to make: I like bandwidth!!! Phew. Feels good to get that off my chest! Take care, Gina NP: Imelda Baby - "She's going shopping, shopping for shoes She wants them in magenta and Caribbean blue Platinum and buttercup, lilac and black They fill a bucket up and laugh behind her back Imelda baby, what to do All the poor people saying that they gotta quit paying for you." (Mark and his sardonic wit!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:32:54 EDT From: RKopf@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #243 Please remove this name from your mailing list. He has died. Thank-you ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:43:15 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) In a message dated 6/5/99 2:24:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Zapuppy@webtv.net writes: > I still remember a > comment Gina received on list, personally directed at her for airing a > differing opinion on Hejira telling her "the internet is no place for > the thin skinned...get it! got it! good!" I sort of feel I asked for that response in a way. I didn't like the tone of the post and I spontaneously reacted with what was described as a "chastening" tone tone. What I didn't expect was such a heavy-handed reaction. I sort of felt the punishment didn't fit the crime. BUT I did learn a lesson from it. I try not to direct my responses directly to anyone's posts anymore if what I'm writing could be perceived as negative. However, I'll be damned if I allow myself or anyone to be hammered on this list or anywhere I go. That doesn't mean I can stop them but it does mean I can make my views known. I don't mind a good debate as long as I am not personally attacked or condescended to. The Slouching Toward Bethlehem thread I participated in some months ago caused some responses that I initially felt were "one upmanship" type reactions. Hey, I can't compete with the person whose career could perhaps require the highest level communication skills imaginable in the society and who could outclass me in one simple sentence. However, I am not *trying* to compete with anyone here, so that doesn't really bother me. I have learned from these little debates and I've tried to remain open. Everywhere I've been in life, I have learned from both people who are more intelligent than I as well as those who may not be. How about that? Raw intelligence isn't the only aspect of a person from which we can learn. People in possession of the best communication skills have a great advantage everywhere in society but that doesn't mean that the rest of us should refrain from participating. After all, this is a *discussion* list. We all, I repeat ALL, have something of value to contribute, as long as we do so with some measure of consideration for others. Sorry about the diatribe. If nothing else, I am sincere and I really genuinely like the vast majority of you fine people. Take care, Gina NP: Mark Knopfler - A Night In Summer Long Ago from Golden Heart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 16:23:57 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Mel Torme - NJC I note sadly that Mel Torme died today. I was not a huge fan, but he certainly was a major part of all of our Christmas memories ("The Christmas Song") and made many contributions to music, and his passing should be noted by the music lovers in the JMDL. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:45:42 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Devil's chord and devil's interval (JC added) Howard Wright wrote: >>Jime Hendrix's intro to Purple Haze is maybe the most famous use of the >>tritone. Actually, Jimi's Purple Haze chord is an augmented ninth, also called a sharp nine chord, which is a dominant seventh chord with a raised (also termed sharped or augmented) ninth added on top (see David Lahm's elucidation on the F7#9-no root chord, although Purple Haze is in E). The "zing" of that pungent chord comes from the simultaneous major third and minor third eleven half-steps above (which is the raised ninth). True, there is also a tritone within the chord consisting of the major third and the dominant seventh, but as Howard rightly points out, this interval is in every run-of-the-mill dominant seventh chord and is not especially crunchy. By way of relating this all to Joni, that augmented ninth chord makes several appearances in the Charlie Mingus chestnut Goodbye Porkpie Hat. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 17:59:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #243 - -----Original Message----- De: RKopf@aol.com Para: joni@smoe.org Fecha: Sábado 5 de Junio de 1999 11:41 Asunto: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #243 >Please remove this name from your mailing list. He has died. Thank-you WHO is this message about?!?! I'm worried sick. Who is/was RKOPF?!?!?! WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 17:25:05 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #243 (NJC) At 05:59 PM 6/5/99 -0300, Wally Kairuz wrote: > > >>Please remove this name from your mailing list. He has died. Thank-you > > >WHO is this message about?!?! I'm worried sick. Who is/was RKOPF?!?!?! >WallyK > > Me Too, Wally. (??) Was this person a lurker?? SEE! I never got to know this lover of Joni's music. How sad. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:32:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Why so many don't post? (NJC) >But most of all, I'm just not as articulate as most who do post regularly, so >I'm happy just reading their wonderful posts and piping in with an occasional >note. > >Terry Terry, WHAT are you talking about?!?! If you're not articulate, then I'm Harpo Marx. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 17:56:12 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) Terry wrote: << But most of all, I'm just not as articulate as most who do post regularly, so I'm happy just reading their wonderful posts and piping in with an occasional note.>> And Wally K. answered: << WHAT are you talking about?!?! If you're not articulate, then I'm Harpo Marx.>> And now Ashara just can't help jumping into the fray: And I'm Humphrey MaGillacutty!!!! Heeeeeelllloooooooo Terry???????? If that's the citeria for posting........then....... :-x Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 19:02:02 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) She just likes to watch. ;~^) Wally Kairuz wrote: > >But most of all, I'm just not as articulate as most who do post regularly, > so > >I'm happy just reading their wonderful posts and piping in with an > occasional > >note. > > > >Terry > > Terry, > > WHAT are you talking about?!?! If you're not articulate, then I'm Harpo > Marx. > WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 00:03:51 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) > Terry wrote: > > << But most of all, I'm just not as articulate as most who do post regularly, > so I'm happy just reading their wonderful posts and piping in with an > occasional note.>> ziz ist crapsi, mien Tessi. zoo commoonicates vezy vell > > > And Wally K. answered: > > << WHAT are you talking about?!?! If you're not articulate, then I'm Harpo > Marx.>> > > And now Ashara just can't help jumping into the fray: > > And I'm Humphrey MaGillacutty!!!! Heeeeeelllloooooooo Terry???????? If that's > the citeria for posting........then....... > > :-x > > Hugs, > Ashara - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:08:57 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Who is RKOPF? NJC People are wondering..... Here is their AOL profile: Member Name: RKOPF Location: Battle Creek MI Sex: Female Hobbies: Reading Computers: Pentium Occupation: Pre-School Teacher Doesn't sound familiar, but it does sound a bit far-fetched. If the person died, why dont' they just cancel the AOL account? Does not seem like grouns for a lot of worry, but I, too, would like to know what's going on with this one. If it's true, another "life is too short" reminder coming at us in strange and mysterious ways. MG >At 05:59 PM 6/5/99 -0300, Wally Kairuz wrote: >> >> >>>Please remove this name from your mailing list. He has died. Thank-you >> >> >>WHO is this message about?!?! I'm worried sick. Who is/was RKOPF?!?!?! >>WallyK >> >> >Me Too, Wally. (??) Was this person a lurker?? SEE! I never got to know >this lover of Joni's music. How sad. > >Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 99 16:34:39 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #240 SYDNEY TRIBUTE SHOW- (6/5/99) Here are two reports from the JM tribute show in Sydney, Australia which took place last Thursday- In from reporter Karen Jacobsen- "The Best Of Joni Mitchell" concert held last week in Sydney, Australia was an incredible success. Completely sold out - 400 people packed out the venue. It was indeed a very special night that will happen again. If you place this on the homepage and get any emails from Australians wanting to know when/where it will happen again could you please let me know. Many thanks, Karen On Thursday June 3rd, a very special event took place at The Basement in Sydney, Australia. Ten of Australia's finest female singer/songwriters performed a selection of songs from Joni Mitchell's brilliant and extensive catalogue. The night was completely sold out, and an incredible success. The performers - Tania Bowra, Kristen Cornwell, Gemma Deacon, Robyne Dunne, Rachel Gaudry, Karen Jacobsen, Sarah McGregor, Juliet Obsessed, Louise Perryman, and Rebecca Rennie were backed by a band featuring some of Sydney's most sought after musicians. Each singer performed two Joni songs to rapturous applause. Classic songs from the Blue album as well as tracks from albums such as The Hissing Of Summer Lawns, Mingus, Hejira, Wild Things Run Fast, Dog Eat Dog, Night Ride Home, and Clouds were performed to an wonderfully appreciative audience. The room had an electric atmosphere. The last song of the evening was a performance of "Big Yellow Taxi," featuring all ten singers. The reaction to this song was so overwhelming, it was performed a second time. Joni Mitchell last toured Australia in 1983, and her fans were definitely ready to hear her spell-binding material showcased again. An in-depth profile from discussion list member and reporter Angela Takats- "Don't interrupt the sorrow, Darn right In flames our prophet witches Be polite" ....... First words to the first song of the first live performance of Joni's work that I have seen! WOW! Ten local female singer / songwriters, two Joni songs each....an hour and a half of pure Joni. It was a packed jazz bar in the basement of a high rise building in Sydney where this Joni Tribute Concert took place. "I'm going to do these songs the way Joni did them, cause there's no better way", said the first performer as she started strumming the opening chords of "DITS," and all I could see was a sea of smiles, of lit up faces, soon mouthing the words to a song we all knew. Then came "All I Want," "Amelia," "Solid Love"....the band sounded fantastic during "Hissing" and "Help Me," it consisted of drums, sax, bass, piano, lead guitar and later on in the evening, during the jazzy "Dry Cleaner" song, you would have sworn the whole Shadows and Light concert band was present, that Jaco Pastorius and Michael Brecker were up on stage, the guys didn't miss a beat or note, very impressive. But it wasn't "all band", all night. The piano was played by some performers for songs like "River," and by far the most moving performance of the evening was accompanied by piano....a tiny young lady, named Robyn took centre stage, with the chords of "Blue" floating from the piano. She sang with such ease, yet emotion, and there was a kind of "awe-struck" silence that fell over the crowd, a silence which lasted right through her second choice of song..."with heaven full of astronauts and the Lord on death row" ("Same Situation") And just hearing the words of that song, sung live - major shivers all over...I just couldn't blink, or breath - it was just one of those amazing moments. And it makes me sad to think Joni doesn't perform her piano songs anymore - cause songs like "Same Situation" are so beautiful. Most of the performers stuck to Joni-style, but some decided to interpret her songs their own way, and some did a very nasty job of it! Some performers just didn't have the voice to even attempt Joni's work, and some tried just a little too hard to stamp their name on her songs - NO THANKS, not something this Joni fan enjoyed hearing. There was, however, a very lovely interpretation of "Both Sides Now," sung with a real jazziness - very smooth, cool and easy to listen to. Other songs performed were "Carey," "Be Cool," "Richard," "Twisted" (which everyone got "down" and "funky" to), "A Case of You," "Trouble Child," "Fiction," and "Come in From the Cold." I was really surprised at how well most of the singers handled Joni's songs. Hearing her work performed live made me appreciate and marvel at its difficulty. She makes things sound so effortless, so easy. A song like "Richard" - with a melody that doesn't seem to sit still, notes flowing into one another, up and down, and all that emotion and those "Dark Cafe Days..." - such a challenging song to perform live! Joni is amazing!!!! But back to the concert....the last song performed - ANY GUESSES??? "BYT" of course - with all the singers belting out a line each - very groovy and uplifting ending to a great night. I'm told by organisers that the tribute concert will be back at the Basement in a few months time - considering tickets were totally sold out. So the girls will be back with a new batch of songs - there are just so many good ones to choose from and I was surprised that songs like "Black Crow," "Ladies of the Canyon," and "Woodstock" were not chosen. But the good thing was the variety of the songs - the concert featured her slow piano songs, her folky accoustic ones and her later jazzy songs. Final thought - It was just so nice to see the smiles on faces as each new song began, and you'd hear "oh, this song, I love this song"...and each new song took each person back to certain moments in their lives - a dance in the dark, a soft kiss, a peaceful happiness, a teary night, a starry night, a night ride home.... Tribute thoughts from Angela Sydney, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:41:07 EDT From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: info about California (NJC) Hi everyone...this has no Joni content, and I apologize for the inconvenience to anyone, but I was wondering about something, and I felt like I could ask the members on the list. I'll be brief... I live in AL, and am interested in moving to CA. I wanted to see if there are any members on here who live in CA who could give me information about good connections with good school systems around the Los Angeles or San Diego areas. I hold a degree in elem. ed (1-6 grades), and would like to find out about some good systems. You can respond privately to me....I appreciate any responses. Thank you, Chris Cochran ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:06:12 EDT From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: meetings Reading all these posts about meet and greets has made me hungry for some Joni company. I, too, would like to meet other people who hang on every word, wonder about the "notches," and deal with constant guitar retunings. I probably won't be able to make the one in the fall, but I'd kind of like to know where most of the people on the list live. I'm in AL...have we any other southerners? I'm kind of new to the list, so how about southern meet and greets? I'd even love to go to one out on the west coast. It seems that several people on here are in CA, and with the summer just starting, I'd love to be in on any gatherings in any tourist towns. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:26:22 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: re:why so many don't post Penny wrote: <> I agree with the whole timely issue....by the time I read thru all the posts and find some that I really want to reply to....the subject is old and something new and exciting is being discussed. And, I don't know if Penny mentioned it, but the whole feeling of being too scared to say or question things on the list for fear that those, with much more knowledge than me, will get annoyed with my questions. But I really love reading thru the conversations that go on, on the list....even if a lot of them go straight over my head! :) ange ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 17:51:59 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: re:why so many don't post > And, I don't know if Penny mentioned it, but the whole feeling of being too > scared to say or question things on the list for fear that those, with much > more knowledge than me, will get annoyed with my questions. My answer to this is: Let them be annoyed. I think there are enough generous people of good will on this list to outnumber the few spoil-sports who seem unable to leave their bad humor off-line. We all have a right to our own opinions and our own way of expressing them. As long as you aren't mean-spirited or trying to stir up trouble I think I can safely say that the majority of the people on this list *want* to hear from you. Got a question? Out with it! Somebody will try to help you out and not belittle you for asking. Want to start a topic or express an opinion? Do it! We may disagree with you but on the whole we'll respect you for speaking out. Don't let the few bad apples lead you to believe that the whole barrel is rotten. We're a great bunch of people here. Come in from the cold! Connect with us! We are all the richer for it! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:04:36 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: detuning question OK...quick question. I found the great website where there are all the detunings for joni songs...and I have worked out several of them. But I was wondering whether there is a site to describe where one puts ones fingers once the guitar is detuned? Or have all you clever guitarists just figured it out for yourselves? Moi not so clever...someone sent me the 'finger placement' things for Peoples Parties, but I just wanted to know if there's a whole lot of instructions floating around out there? Thanks - - Ange ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 20:11:41 -0500 From: Hyatt McClennen Subject: Carey Comments and Question on TTT/Cut TTT Hi, everyone. I could relate to what Catgirl said on yesterday's or today's post. Though I read the list every day, I have hesitated to post (though I have sent posts to JMDL individuals) for fear of saying something stupid or asking something stupid and being ridiculed, because I have read some responses that I felt were brutally insensitive. But I will risk appearing stupid and post tonight. RE: Carey Discussion I always thought that Carey was a casual friend that lived (at the time) in Greece but was probaly an American (the name sounded so). The lyrics were light (emotionally) so I doubted she was intimately involved with him (just my opinion). TTT Question: Maybe nobody knows or cares but I have wondered who Anna (wild and dear) is or was. "Thought" makes me think Anna is either no longer with us or is no longer in Joni's life. I have felt like Anna is possibly an animal - maybe a domestic cat or a tiger. Does anyone have an opinion? I have always wanted to write to Joni and tell her how much her words and music have meant to me. Does anyone know if that is just a totally impossible thing to do? ...... or maybe even a Christmas card once a year. Do you think it could be directed to her recording company address or would she never see it. I don't mean to invade her privacy in any way. I have only been using the Internet for a short while, and I don't know how to extract a few lines out of the weekly post and copy it into my post so that everyone knows what my comment is in reference to. Can someone tell me how? Debbe in Birmingham (AL) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:49:59 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Philly Meet n' Greet (long...pull up a chair) WallyK wrote: >bob!!! what a great post! you're so funny! and i'm green with envy: the >closest place where i can find another jmdler in the southern hemisphere is >australia. not that i wouldn't like to TRAVEL THERE, but it's a bit too far. >i loved the part about the penis-search at the record store! i'm dying to >meet you all, jmdlers. i only hope people won't turn around and go back home >when they notice me at ashara's this september. >wallyK Australia is a lovely place - but New Zealand is closer, if you're travelling east to west. Just wanted to get the facts straight! And I agree, sounds like Bob, CatGirl, etc. had a great time. Yet again I'm reminded what a pain it is to live so far away from other Joni-lovers! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:36:32 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many don't post? (NJC) Dear JMDLers, I can't tell you how much my heart has been warmed by your many public and private posts. You are an amazing group of people! Thanks for your kind words and encouragement. I will try to come out of the shadows more often! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:23:37 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: why so many don't post Mark very eloquently said: << I think there are enough generous people of good will on this list to outnumber the few spoil-sports who seem unable to leave their bad humor off-line. We all have a right to our own opinions and our own way of expressing them. As long as you aren't mean-spirited or trying to stir up trouble I think I can safely say that the majority of the people on this list *want* to hear from you. Got a question? Out with it! Somebody will try to help you out and not belittle you for asking. Want to start a topic or express an opinion? Do it! We may disagree with you but on the whole we'll respect you for speaking out. Don't let the few bad apples lead you to believe that the whole barrel is rotten. We're a great bunch of people here. Come in from the cold! Connect with us! We are all the richer for it! >> Yes, we ARE the richer for it! I sometimes can not believe the amount of time spent reading.....and reading......and reading.....but I know that I have a community that has been here for me not only to talk about Joni, to discuss the meaning of her lyrics, or why her music means so much to us, but also has been there for me to send postcards to my son, to get me through a very dear friend's death, and now to support Wally through this fundraiser. Please don't hide if you have something to say! 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