From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #243 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, June 5 1999 Volume 04 : Number 243 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #64 [TreyCozy@aol.com] Re: MOJO Magazine & 70's Recordings by Joni Mitchell [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Devil's chord and devil's interval [Howard Wright ] Re: BSN from Alexander Memorial Colleseum [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Don't Interrupt ... misunderstood lyrics [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Don't Interrupt ... misunderstood lyrics [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: misunderstood lyrics [Ginamu@aol.com] My Old Man ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Fundraiser Update [Jerry Notaro ] TapeTree #8 (Volunteers?) [simon@icu.com] Philly Meet n' Greet (long...pull up a chair) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Don't Interrupt ... misunderstood lyrics [Susan McNamara ] Fundraiser (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Fundraiser (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] RE: Philly Meet n' Greet (long...pull up a chair) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today in Joni History - June 6 [Today in Joni History ] HOSL liner notes [Brian Gross ] Re: HOSL liner notes ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] HOSL Demo [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: HOSL liner notes [Gellerray@aol.com] Joni autograph story/Stuart Dinky Dawson [pattihaskins@mindspring.com] Tape Tree #8 [pattihaskins@mindspring.com] NJC: bot response #29 ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] NJC: bot response #30 ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] NJC: Springsteen ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Philly Meet n' Greet (long...pull up a chair) ["Beverly" ] Re: nutrition in Joni's music [Susan Chaloner ] Re: chord notation [Dflahm@aol.com] Why so many don't post? (NJC) [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 04:00:44 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #64 In a message dated 6/3/99 12:50:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lempertm@pilot.msu.edu writes: << "When I think of your kisses my mind see-saws" thought it was "When I think of your kisses my mind sees stars!" >> I thought it was "when I think of your kisses my mind sees SONGS!!!" lol My favorite is still "I was raised on rubber trees" I laughed for ten minutes when I heard my friend Tim sing that!!! He thought something was wrong with me!!! Trey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 04:17:53 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: MOJO Magazine & 70's Recordings by Joni Mitchell In a message dated 6/4/99 2:12:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << This has got me curious. I've spoken before about "The World of Joni Mitchell" - a "greatest hits" album that was released only in New Zealand in the early 70's. Would Joni have had to approve it, or did she not have as much control over things back then? Helen >> What makes you think that was an authorized release? Is there any statement of rights on the album? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:10:20 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Devil's chord and devil's interval I think there might be a confusion between the devil's *interval* and the devil's *chord*. From what I know, it was the interval of a diminished fifth (also called a tritone) that was "banned" by the church. When it's played on its own, i.e just two notes together (e.g C to Gb) it does sound quite "odd". I've never managed to summon the devil by playing it though ;-) Jime Hendrix's intro to Purple Haze is maybe the most famous use of the tritone. I don't think that there was a particular "devil's chord" that was treated in the same way. You can make up lost of chords that contain the devil's interval (a tritone). The standard dominant 7th usually contains a tritone, but it sounds fine because the other notes "cover up" the naked satanistic influence of the tritone (!) and produce a warm, pleasant sound. Many of the other chords that people have mentioned contain the tritone, but as far as I know there wasn't a single chord that was singled out as a "devils' chord with a dangerous influence" - only the interval itself was avoided in two-part harmonies. Dominant 7th and various diminished chords were used extensively in most western classical and church music and they all contain the dreaded interval. In Joni's case, in Sunny Sunday, the point at which she referes to using the "devil's interval" is on the line "that's all she needs". What happens is the root of the chord falls by a tritone - i.e the chords are something like Am to D#, which is an unusual jump. The chords that she uses don't actually contain a tritone. David already listed most of the chords with 7ths or dimished 5ths. The chord Wally asked about is an odd one : tonic, minor 3rd, flat 5th, major 7th. I guess this would be a min/maj7-5 Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:42:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: BSN from Alexander Memorial Colleseum Mark says to the other Mark: <> "A" Tear? You should've heard it in person...I made a puddle (of tears, that is):~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:02:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Don't Interrupt ... misunderstood lyrics Mark enumerates: <> That's a great catch Mark! And I don't think it's coincidence - As the Queen of duality I think she makes the point in 2 ways: (1) Since I was age 17, I've answered to no one,and (2) Since I can hold all this alcohol I'm as tough as any man. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:08:29 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Don't Interrupt ... misunderstood lyrics Terry puts her foot down and exclaims: <> I'm inclined to agree with Terry here...when she describes the male character as "Nachos" she is defining him as a guilty pleasure, very cheesy, enjoyable but not really "good" for her. And of course, after 17 glasses of wine, her liver would be the size of a basketball and could very easily consume even the heartiest of Barbies. :~) Bob, who could always BS his way through an essay question in college... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:15:35 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: misunderstood lyrics Being a lover of words, I hang on every one of Joni's, so I can honestly say I have never misunderstood a lyric of hers I can think of. My kids, though, used to sing along with Only Joy In Town when it first came out: they used to think Joni sang: "butterjelly black boy". When I corrected them, it sort of seemed to take the wind out of their sails a bit. One of mys daughters described how she pictured a black boy sitting on the Spanish stairs, in the sun, his face smeared with butter and jelly. She evidently enjoyed this image and lyrics nut that I am, I went and ruined it. Compared to this, breaking the news about Father Christmas being a myth was a piece of cake. Take care, Gina NP: XTC - Easter Theatre - XTC's Apple Venus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:18:45 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: My Old Man I heard an interesting take on "My Old Man" by Fred Hersch the other night on the CBC's After Hours. You can hear a bit of it at CD Now. The album is called "Let Yourself Go-Live at Jordon" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:04:48 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Fundraiser Update Ashara@aol.com wrote: > Hugs, > Ashara {who desperately hopes she is not sounding like a broken record} Not at all. Keep up the great work! Jerry np: Blondie - Maria (live on the today show. Go Deb) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:08:30 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #8 (Volunteers?) yesterday in the JMDL Digest Vol. #4 #240 there were a few requests and questions regarding our TapeTrees: Chris writes > >Hi everyone, >I've never been involved in a TapeTree, really. I'd like to know >more about how the TapeTrees work, how I could get TapeTree #9. >Thanks, Chris Patti writes > >And a question, what's this TapeTree thing and how does one join? >Patti Mark or Travis writes > >Subject: Tape tree #3. >If tape tree #3 is the one that has 'The London Bridge Song' on it >(that everybody seems to love so much) then I am reasonably certain >that I do not have Tape tree #3. If I send the required blanks & >postage, would somebody be willing to dub this one for me? I would >be eternally grateful. >Mark in Seattle >____________________________________________________________________ Chris, there is no TapeTree #9, but i'm working on it. we'll be concentrating on the '72 Acoustic Tour. TapeTree #8 is currently in-distribution. most leaves have not yet rec'd their copies so it's not too late to get in on this one. Mark or Travis, yes 'The London Bridge Song' is on TapeTree #3. rather than re-post the TapeTree FAQ here, it's being sent to Chris and Patti privately along with the Content-Lists for TapeTree #8. Hopefully, one or more of the current Branches will step forward and volunteer to make dubs for these members. i'm sure we won't be disappointed. if there are any other stragglers or latecomers out there, post your request here to the List and i'm sure someone will gladly help you out. thankx for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:09:36 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Philly Meet n' Greet (long...pull up a chair) Pick your own opening line: 1. "Where do all the hippies meet? South Street, South Street" 2. "Once In a while in a big blue moon, there comes a night like this" 3. "It was all a dream I was having awake" At any length, all of these apply to the experiences last night as myself, Brian Gross, and the prolific Catgirl met in Philadelphia last night. We came for conversation, and of course, for food. The evening started auspiciously enough - Brian was kind enough to take the wheel and navigate us safely from Mt. Laurel NJ where I'm staying these days to South Street in Philly. Now if you've never driven in the area, you have to know that stoplights, lanes on the highway, traffic signs are all just suggestions and most NJ vehicles don't even HAVE turn signals. Anyway, I'm sure you SoCal'ers can top any traffic stories I can tell, so on with the story... Brian & I get to our destination, the South St. bridge. (How Joni-ish of our group to pick a bridge as a meeting place) Now Brian and I have already had a couple of meetings with each other over the last couple of weeks so we were anxiously awaiting the arrival of Catgirl. Why did I know she wouldn't be on time? But no big deal, it was a gorgeous night and there was plenty of nice scenery around (if ya' get my drift)...So finally 20 minutes later, here comes Catgirl, not 100% together but as you can imagine with enough enthusiasm to light up the night. After parking and dumping a small fortune into a parking meter, we made our way on down South Street, heading for "no place....speciaaaaaaal....." Our first stop was a used book store with records in the back. We pulled out the Joni's and pointed to all the penises on the various covers...I'm sure we got a couple strange looks saying things like "see, it's coming up out of the road, there's the shaft and there's the head", or looking at a Mingus cover "There's one testicle, and see, she's got her legs spread". So, this one old guy who looked like an Amish Popeye started to talk about Joni's artwork and how he & his wife used to go hear Joni & Chuck play at the Club 47 in Boston. He said that Joni's painting style really changed from STAS to Mingus, and that Joni told his wife that she and Chuck used to make art by the two of them starting in the middle of the canvas and working towards the outside in a psychedelic style, much like the STAS cover. (I felt like Kakki inspiring Joni conversation out of strangers! ) We picked up some Joni vinyl to donate to the Labor Day fest, I bought a Tom Waits book that Brian found for me, and we went in search of food. We ended up at a Greek restaurant called "South Street Souvlaki", and commented that Greek was appropriate since we'd been enjoying the Carey/Greece thread all week. We ordered, Catgirl being a vegetarian got a veggie plate, Brian an Gyro plate, and to make up for Catgirl I got a mega-meat platter with lots of grilled beef on sticks - very Cro-Magnon like, and very tasty! After all, what's a "Meet & Greet" without the "Meat". So, we talked & ate & talked & talked, and Catgirl pulled out a surprise for Brian & myself - the afore-mentioned "HOSL Demos" which she had burned onto CD's for us with some bonus tracks as well. To top it all off, she made a beautiful cover and graphics - it's truly one of the coolest things I own! And I was thinking, that kinda has to be what heaven is like...a lovely woman gives you Joni gifts while you're munching on good food and drinking a cold beer...:~) As anybody who has participated in a JMDL get-together can tell you, if you're in a restaurant, you're gonna end up closing it down, and last night was no exception. As if it wasn't obvious enough with the chairs on the tables and the busboys sweeping around our feet, a very nice big Greek man came up to us to said something along the lines of "Drink up now, it's getting on time to close..." It's absolutely amazing how fast the time flies when you're with your friends of spirit...so we ventured back out into the night. We popped in to another record store and stayed quite awhile - it felt funny to be thumbing through vinyl as I hadn't done that in many a year. I asked the guy behind the counter if they had any collectible rare Joni stuff stashed anywhere, and he shook his head, but added that Jaco had been in the store way back when and had signed the Joni albums they had at the time. Of course, that sent the 3 of us to the JM section where we frantically pulled innersleeves out of album covers, flipped albums over and over looking for the autograph, all the while with the guy saying that "he was sure they were all gone"...LOL!! Alas, he was right - but he did say he had heard of a rare tape with Jimi, Joni and Neil Young jamming in a hotel room. Anybody out there have that one? Well, by now it was close to 11 or so and we all had to work today so our meeting came to an end - as we walked back to our cars, we passed by some young kids with guitars and requested some Joni. They thought we said "Journey" and gave us a quick "I don't think so", when we clarified, they hemmed and hawed, one guy said he used to play all of Blue but didn't feel like doing all that re-tuning! :~) We got back to Catgirl's car, and had an old man to take our picture - I'll leave it to Cat to post that somewhere...And as if the Hissing Demo wasn't enough, she also gave me a beautiful photo of a very young Joni in a flowering desert. Wow! What a night...Brian and I hopped back in the rental car and headed south - of course, we put the CD in the car player and sat there with dropped jaws listening to this remarkable find! The true gem has got to be that version of Dreamland with the guitar riff, the police whistle, and the kazoo! But all of it is breathtaking, to be sure. So anyway, I come to the end of my tale...an unending thanks to my JMDL-brother Brian, who provided me with all those tape trees so long ago and who has a heart as big as New Jersey, and also to Catgirl, whose kindness is matched only by her supermodel looks! In closing, to anybody who hasn't met other JMDL'ers, there's nothing quite like it! I would encourage anybody and everybody to seek out those Joni brothers & sisters. It does make this big ol' world a much smaller and nicer place... Bob -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Why else would the reference to notches be prefaced by the >line > >A roomful of glasses > >unless the following line is in reference to those glasses? In other >words: > >A roomful of glasses (subtext: You're shit-faced! What's all this >about? Why have you downed so damn many glasses of wine?) > >He says, 'Your notches, liberation doll' (subtext: you can just >count those glasses as more notches on your gun or bedpost. You & >your emasculating independence & bullheadedness are what make me get >shit-faced) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:36:59 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: misunderstood lyrics After reading my own post, I wanted to qualify my statement so I don't come sounding like a know-it-all: > Being a lover of words, I hang on every one of Joni's, so I can honestly say > I have never misunderstood a lyric of hers I can think of. I tend to read the lyrics as I listen the first dozen or so times to a new record; anyone's. What I *meant* to state was that I have never *misheard* a Joni lyric that I can think of. But I've *misunderstood* or mused about her meaning plenty, just as anyone has. I tend to not analyze too much. It breaks some sort of visceral spell for me. But I have so enjoyed the Don't Interrupt The Sorrow interpretations, especially the "double 17". Very astute! You guys are smaaaaarttt! Take care, Gina (trying to be more cognizant of what I write, sorry for the extra post) NP: I"d Like That - XTC - Apple Venus (Love that peacock feather on the cover...or is it a partridge feather (just kidding) but no lyrics...booo hooo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:55:55 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: nutrition in Joni's music Last weeks posts included a quote from Joni about how she thinks her music has nutrition... (what a great way to say it...!) And the link to the story she told of the man who was dying of AIDS and spent the last day of his life listening sequentially to her albums and died as the last one finished.... what a wonderful way to spend one's last day... IMO Reading these things affected me deeply. I am feeling in need of healing... and it's good to be reminded about the nurturing quality of Joni's music. I have been nourished by it for 30 years now. It really does heal me on all levels- mind and heart... soul and body... Especially when I sit and do nothing but listen... It penetrates my being deeper than most any art I have experienced... and has affected my life in quite profound ways. There are no words to express enough how thankful I am that Joni Mitchell is in the world and I have the good fortune to hear her in my own living room... food for the soul... indeed. I am also thankful for this list and the opportunity to say this and be really understood. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:25:34 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Fundraiser (NJC) Ashara wrote: >So far, 29 people have contributed $956 to Wally's fundraiser This is really, really cool, and Ashara and all those who have contributed (or will) are to be commended. Way to go, everyone! ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:25:34 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Fundraiser (NJC) Ashara wrote: >So far, 29 people have contributed $956 to Wally's fundraiser This is really, really cool, and Ashara and all those who have contributed (or will) are to be commended. Way to go, everyone! ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:43:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Philly Meet n' Greet (long...pull up a chair) bob!!! what a great post! you're so funny! and i'm green with envy: the closest place where i can find another jmdler in the southern hemisphere is australia. not that i wouldn't like to TRAVEL THERE, but it's a bit too far. i loved the part about the penis-search at the record store! i'm dying to meet you all, jmdlers. i only hope people won't turn around and go back home when they notice me at ashara's this september. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:01:33 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: RE: Philly Meet n' Greet (long...pull up a chair) i'm dying to >meet you all, jmdlers. i only hope people won't turn around and go back home >when they notice me at ashara's this september. Wally, We're thinking of getting more blonde wigs this time. We'll have to see how you look with long blonde hair! ;-D Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:00:32 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: MOJO Magazine & 70's Recordings by Joni Mitchell IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/4/99 2:12:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz > writes: > > << This has got me curious. I've spoken before about "The World of Joni > Mitchell" - a "greatest hits" album that was released only in New Zealand in > the early 70's. Would Joni have had to approve it, or did she not have as > much control over things back then? Record companies almost always have clauses in their contracts that change the rules regarding international releases. It's another way they can squeeze the artist out of a few more bucks. The pay structure for royalties is often half what it is domestically. Why? Because they can. I don't know the story behind this release. Did Reprise release it, then get sued by Joni? Is there a clause in her contract especially relating to New Zealand? Why wasn't it released all over Europe? Or maybe, was it's release authorized by Joni? > > > Helen > >> > What makes you think that was an authorized release? > Is there any statement of rights on the album? > > Paul I I have a copy. It is an official release on the Reprise label. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:47:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - June 5 1988: Joni is interviewed for the "Sunday" show in Australia 1993: Joni performs at the Troubadours of Folk Festival at UCLA. See pictures and a review by SueMc at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/TroubadoursFest93.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:47:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - June 6 1974: Today's Rolling Stone publishes a semi-Joni article about the top 20 albums of the day. Read the article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/rs740606.htm 1986: From the great Swami himself, Steve Dulson, comes this morsel: Joni and Larry (along with Steve and Michele!) were at the Forum in Inglewood to see U2, Peter Gabriel, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez and others perform at an Amnesty International benefit. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: HOSL liner notes On the panel of the HOSL cover that includes a bikini-clad Joni floating on her back in the pool, she says "I would especially like to thank...Helpful Henry The Housewife's Delight..." I don't remember this one ever having been discussed here on the JMDL. Anyone care to venture into this one? Everyone have a great weekend! Later, Brian np: HOSL demo (all 8 cuts, only 7 of which are from HOSL!) === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:14:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: HOSL liner notes Surely she must be refering to the character in Harry's House. Jerry On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Brian Gross wrote: > On the panel of the HOSL cover that includes a bikini-clad Joni floating on > her back in the pool, she says "I would especially like to thank...Helpful > Henry The Housewife's Delight..." > > I don't remember this one ever having been discussed here on the JMDL. > Anyone care to venture into this one? > > Everyone have a great weekend! > > Later, > > Brian > > np: HOSL demo (all 8 cuts, only 7 of which are from HOSL!) > === > "No paper thin walls > No folks above > No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" > > > > yeah, right > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:12:26 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: HOSL liner notes The all-knowing Brian Hinton claims it's coccaine... I'd like to hear another opinion! ;-) At 11:45 AM -0700 6/4/99, Brian Gross wrote: >I don't remember this one ever having been discussed here on the JMDL. >Anyone care to venture into this one? NP-Sweet Sucker Dance Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua http://jmdl.com/guitar/mark "This conformity factory is now closed!" -Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:46:55 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: HOSL Demo Many thanks to Kakki and Scott for helping to make this tape available to us. I really appreciate the efforts that both of you are going to and want to express my gratitude. I'm very excited to hear this tape--thanks. Stephen smebd@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:00:28 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL liner notes it's what's-his-name, right--the engineer Henry Lewy! Right?! Henry-more-than-an-engineer-Lewy, right? r ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:34:29 -0500 From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: Joni autograph story/Stuart Dinky Dawson Hi all, Here's what Rykyodisc has to say about Stuart Dinky Dawson's book: "Life On The Road" captures the excitement, experimentation, and enthusiasm of rock's most explosive era. In this unforgettable memoir, Stuart (Dinky) Dawson takes us on the road with such rock and roll legends as the original Fleetwood Mac, The Byrds, Steely Dan, the Kinks, Joan Baez, Joni Mitchell, Lou Reed, the Mahavishnu Orchestra, Jeff Beck, B.R. King, and the J.Geils Band, among other stellar musical artists. Offering rare, personal, and often insightful glimpses into the unruly reality of life on the road, Dinky provides behind-the-scene views of such after-hours escapades as Fleetwood Mac's introduction to America by the Hell's Angels, as well as their involvement in the notorious Grateful Dead drug bust in New Orleans; life lived helter skelter in Los Angeles with Terry Melcher and The Byrds during the Charlie Manson murders; drawing extra amps from the electric chair at Sing Sing Prison for a Joan Baez concert; and traveling and recording with Lou Reed during the drug-fueled days of Berlin and Rock and Roll Animal. here's the link for his book on their site: http://www.rykodisc.com/rykoindex/catalog/dump/rykoalbums_1022.asp And this is what they say about him: Dinky Dawson Dinky Dawson, born in Worksop, Nottinghamshire,England, has lived a life dedicated to music. His Accomplishments in the field of sound are legendary. Over the years he has been an audio engineer and a guest lecturer at Berklee College of Music and writer for Mix Magazine and Musician. Dinky is also the producer of The Dinky Who? Series, which will feature a selection of live, unreleased, concert performances from Fleetwood Mac, Lou Reed and MORE! here's the link on Rykodisc's site for the story of Stuart Dinky Dawson: http://www.rykodisc.com/rykoindex/catalog/CatalogArtist_01.asp?Action=Get&Ar tist_ID=489 This is the link to the first of this series, a Fleetwood Mac live from 69:http://www.rykodisc.com/Catalog/dump/rykoalbums_1003.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:08:26 -0500 From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: Tape Tree #8 Thanks for info everyone, I really am interested in getting a copy of TT#8, can someone help? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:22:37 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: bot response #29 bot trigger string: "Does anyone know where or what the "sunset Pig" is??" response begin In the old, hazy daze of the 60s, it was fashionable to call police officers "pigs" because they represented the Establishment and because they would arrest the fashionable for possession of their fashionable, green, weak marijuana. In Los Angles the sun seems to set over the ocean *in the west*. The road along their is called Sunset Strip. end - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:46:53 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: bot response #30 bot trigger string "re matilla moon: I thought it was Map of the Moon!" bot response begin Me too! end ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:02:21 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: Springsteen Springsteen is in Europe and will be until July 15 when he plays the first of ahem! fifteen dates in E. Rutherford, NJ. No additional USA dates have been announced. To check it out: http://www.backstreets.com/tour.html - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Aniken is a momma's boy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:27:32 -0000 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: Philly Meet n' Greet (long...pull up a chair) Bob wrote: A whole bunch of wonderful stuff which ended with.... >...In closing, to anybody who hasn't met other JMDL'ers, there's nothing quite like it! I would >encourage anybody and everybody to seek out those Joni brothers & sisters. >It does make this big ol' world a much smaller and nicer place... Bob, you are so very right! There's just nothing like it! I did pull up a chair, sort of, and savored every word of your post. I love to read JMDL'ers meet n' greet experiences. It sounds you three had a great time. I know I did - just reading about it! I met Brian, at Julie's last April. Can't wait to meet you and Catgirl at Ashara's! I will very belately say that meeting Pearl, a year and a half ago, was a remarkable experience. I felt like she was an old highschool buddy that I hadn't seen in years. We met in Coconut Grove, FL the day after Christmas, 1997. Like you, Brian and Catgirl, we combed book and record stores looking for anything Joni. We had a wonderful al fresco lunch and dinner and talked about everything from our first Joni experience to how much we both loved a good bargain at yard sales. It was as if we'd known each other for years. I can think of no one else who would spend hours trying to locate the coffee house where David Crosby first heard Joni. (Long time gone, I guess). Anyway, we settled for "Dinner Key" where Crosby's Mayan was anchored at one time, and on which, (I think) Joni may have written Dawntreader, and many other songs from that period. What I thought would be a nice lunch ended up being eight hours of great fun an conversation! It was almost like "catching up" with someone you hadn't seen in years. It was a magical day! Pearl remains one of my favorite people and a truly wonderful friend in every regard. I have this list to thank for a very special friendship! I met many JMDL'ers at Julie Webb's Jonifest in Pittsburgh, and more in California, last May. But nothing compares to those small, quaint little meet 'n greets! Bev, off to the Greek restaurant where, the owner, Andreas confirmed to me over a year ago that "goat dancing" is indeed, a Greek euphemism for, well, you know. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:07:54 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: MOJO Magazine & 70's Recordings by Joni Mitchell Randy wrote regarding "The World of Joni Mitchell" - a "greatest hits" album that was released only in New Zealand in the early 70's: > Record companies almost always have clauses in their contracts that change > the rules regarding international releases. It's another way they can squeeze > the artist out of a few more bucks. The pay structure for royalties is often > half what it is domestically. Why? Because they can. > I don't know the story behind this release. Did Reprise release it, then get > sued by Joni? Is there a clause in her contract especially relating to New > Zealand? Why wasn't it released all over Europe? Or maybe, was it's > release authorized by Joni? > I have a copy. It is an official release on the Reprise label. It is quite common for record companies to agree to give clearances for such compilations in foreign countries. They are normally "co-contracting" in a sense with another entity who is located in that country and who is suggests/coordinates putting the compilation together and that may be the reason why the royalties are reduced - the main record label who clears the songs is not doing as much work to get the compiled product manufactured and distributed. It is absolutely standard operating procedure to first obtain the artist's written approval for clearance of the song(s) for the project before any work on such compilations can proceed. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 22:04:46 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni autograph story From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: Joni autograph story Hi all again, here's my Joni autograph story: I am a part-time musician along with many others. Back in the late 80s early 90s, I was known as Miss Patti and was the singer in a band in Raleigh, NC, along with Phil Lee, a crazy singer/songwriter that was friends to many famous musicians, but he himself unknown. Somehow, and I don't remember the exact details, he was friends with a girlfriend of Joni's, he says he sold them pot, but, I don't know...And in 1989 he went out to LA to try to hustle songs, get a deal, schmooze with stars etc. and went to a Woodstock reunion party. He says he danced with Joni and knew that I would kill him if he came home with only the story, so he asked her for an autograph for me. She grabbed one of the table top signs, an 8"x8" white cardstock with the Woodstock logo: bird on guitar head, Peace & Love, 69 89 on front; and on the back she signed "Hello Miss Patty! Joni "Woodstock" Mitchell. I'm sure my friend Phil forgot to tell her how I spelled my name, but I forgave him. I recognized her signature immediately, I have all the songbooks, etc. But I never have seen her refer to herself as Joni "Woodstock" Mitchell before. I was/am thrilled. And that's my story. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 22:35:31 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: nutrition in Joni's music Linda Worster wrote: > There are no words to express enough how thankful I am that Joni Mitchell > is in the world and I have the good fortune to hear her in my own living > room... I'll meet you and raise you one ;~) I could say the same thing about a certain Linda Worster...For me there are two people the universe can not do without :~) > I am also thankful for this list and the opportunity to say this and be > really understood. Are any of us ever really understood? Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...we all come and go unknown...-That Joni ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:54:39 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: chord notation The "chord" you describe as not bearing a technical name is very familiar to me as a jazz pianist. (A C Eb G# ) The confusion arises because you are looking at only the notes and not the way the chord moves in a sequence. For instance, play the notes, then resolve it to a "chord" spelled Bb C Db F. That's a Bb minor chord (with the 2nd i.e. the C added) When you hear it this way, A C Eb G# takes on the identity of an F7th, the chord that naturally resolves to Bb minor. This will become even more convincing if you put a low F under the A C Eb G# "chord." This is now a conventional voicing of an F7#9 chord, although the C is really superfluous. You are right that it does not have a common technical name. If I had to notate it, I'd probably write "F7#9 (no root)." The notation of almost any chord depends upon not only the notes but the function of the "chord" in a cadence or sequence. In jazz, I have found that notation is somewhat subjective, conventions are not stoneset. I hope this was helpful and not too full of $10 words. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Why so many don't post? (NJC) Gina brought up the subject and both catgirl and evian chimed in too, all with sensitivity and earnestness. I too, have had off-list discussions on the subject, so as one of those that usually lurks rather than lists, I'll state my reasons why. 1. I get the digest for the convience of being able to sit down for an enjoyable read of the life, times, art, views and news of all things Joni and those that also have been touched by her. The downside of the digest is that I always feel a bit too late to respond in a timely manner. 2. When I do post I try to keep it somewhat Joni related but my head just isn't swimming around with Joni these days like it used to be. So I'm not as driven to post like I would have been, say 5 years ago. My priorities changed. I'm here more for the sense of a connected community that happens to love Joni like I do, rather than a simple love of all things Joni. I was talking about the JMDL the other night to one of my best church friends, telling her how sad a report it was that this group, for the most part, seems far more grounded, real, open, caring, non-judging, and loving than the Christian groups I've tried out. 3. I perfer more transparency and intimacy than typically goes on on-list. I think it's important for hearts to touch and be touched. I can't share on-list as deeply as I'd like because of the risk of my heart getting picked apart by the few listers out there that don't seem to give a rip about being insensitive and hurtful. I still remember a comment Gina received on list, personally directed at her for airing a differing opinion on Hejira telling her "the internet is no place for the thin skinned...get it! got it! good!" If an opinion of Hejira evokes such harsh words, why would I feel safe to share my heartfelt takes of songs or issues that are being discussed? Maybe when I get old and cold and settled in my ways I'll be able to take some of the hurtful things that get dished, but thankfully I'm still pretty soft hearted. 4. Although I love Joni's music and will probably always feel she'll remain head and shoulders above every other artist I'll ever hear, Joni's lyrics aren't necessarily what I like to talk about, rather the effect her lyrics have had on me in my life. To relay that requires trust and transparency. And there are just enough thorns in this absolutely beautiful rose bush named the JMDL, that I for one, navigate it very slowly. It's not a matter of shyness for me, it's simple caution. 5. I like to joke around a lot, but I get paranoid people will misunderstand my sense of humor. I referred to Bob the other day as "Smart ass Bob", Bob knew I was joking, (even though he really is a smart ass! LOL) But understand, smart ass has probably reached the status of a term of endearment in my vocabulary from being called that myself from the time I spoke my first words! How was I to know they weren't praising me?! After all, they were always smiling or laughing when they said it! ;-) So anyway, if I start to fear my humor will be missed, I come off as always serious and heavy.... yuk!...honey, that ain't me. Just like Joni was a party animal in her school days to her friends that knew her, she's typically thought of as introverted and heavy by those that don't know her. I hope other lurkers will come out and play? If you don't want to play with us, will you tell us why? Miles of smiles, Penny NP Ebba Forsberg....Hold Me ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #243 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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