From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #240 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, June 3 1999 Volume 04 : Number 240 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni - Entertainment Weekly [Bry-Bry ] Re: June MOJO Magazine- Joni 70s live recording pegged fo... ["Kakki" ] Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics [LRFye@aol.com] Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: NJC--ANTI FLAG-BURNING AMENDMENT TO CONSTITUTION PASSES HOUSE ! --NJC [Jenaya Dawe ] Re: NJC Belafonte (and Julie Andrews) ["Mark or Travis" ] HOSL Tape ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC Belafonte (and Julie Andrews) ["Kakki" ] that weird minor chord in joni's music [patrick leader ] Re: NJC--ANTI FLAG-BURNING AMENDMENT TO CONSTITUTION PASSES HOUSE! --NJC [MGVal@aol.co] Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics [Ashara@aol.com] Re: Album Covers (Ent. Wkly) ["Eric Taylor" ] MOJO news [pattihaskins@mindspring.com] Re: Me & Julio and the JUNGLE LINE [Dflahm@aol.com] lyrically challenged ["Wally Kairuz" ] Thanks to ALL my friends! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:32:50 -0400 From: Bry-Bry Subject: Joni - Entertainment Weekly Hey y'all: story & pretty pretty pic (be still my heart) is at: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/ew/fab400/music100/int5.html =============================== Joni Mitchell Though she's best known for creating such intimate anthems as ''Both Sides Now,'' Joni Mitchell's mix of folk, rock, classical, and jazz -- and her unusual tunings and complex chords -- always made her an anomaly even within the singer/songwriter category she came to represent. Today, Mitchell discusses her role in rock history and her disillusionment with the current state of pop. Interview by Chris Willman EW Online: How do you think rock & roll has changed over the years? Joni Mitchell: Well, rock & roll was kind of rhythm & blues and boogie woogie and swing era. It swung. But when white musicians started to play it, it didn't swing. They just rocked it, so the beat got very vertical. White rhythmic history is pretty much funerals, polkas, and waltzes. Most of the grooves, the drums come out for death -- either marching to war or marching to the grave. So when whites took over rock & roll, the joy went out of it. I never liked white rock & roll per se. Yet people consider Bob Dylan -- whom you toured with last year -- rock & roll. Is that something different to you? It's not rock & roll, because it doesn't swing. It's more like country-rock . . . This is an industry of pigeonholing. For instance, I was called a folk singer when I came into the scene. But when I began to write, I wasn't a folk musician. My first album is not folk music. It looks like a folk singer because it's an acoustic guitar, but there's a lot of classical music involved in my compositions, and there's jazz involved in them, and a lot of rock & roll. Some of the shuffles that I do, that's more rock & roll than most of the stuff that they call rock & roll, even though it's not as loud. Did you ever think of yourself as a rock star? No, I always thought of myself as a painter in show business. (laughs) How did I end up here? I never identified myself for years, really, even as a musician. I just thought of myself as a painter who played. But I did have a compositional gift. And I've been at it so long that I have a certain amount of identity as a musician. (laughs) What are your earliest memories of rock & roll? I was a pre-teener when it hit. I shifted my love of classical music to my love of rock & roll from 11 to 16. And then came the folk movement while I was still in high school, and people gathered around and sang folk songs, which I kind of liked. It was a different way of partying -- kind of fun to sit in a group of people and sing for the fun of it. We'd been dancing to rock & roll for the fun of it, but singing for the fun of it was an interesting concept. There were no guitar players around to accompany anybody, so that's in a way how I got started in it, just singing for fun. But where I came from, in the time that I came up in, there was no inkling or desire for a career in it. There was a stigma to playing guitar back then. My mother thought it was hickish, low-class. No parent now would think that because it's a part of our culture, but the guitar was a fairly obscure instrument when I was coming into my teens. - -------------------------------------------- http://www.bryanthomas.com music@bryanthomas.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:20:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: June MOJO Magazine- Joni 70s live recording pegged fo... Bob wondered: > This is truly exciting stuff, and Rykodisc will do a great job > I'm sure. I don't know any better, but could there potentially > be a problem since she's contracted to Reprise? I would guess that Rykodisc owns the rights to this material so it would not involve Reprise. I am also salivating over the prospect of this material being released! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:56:35 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Brazilian? (NJC) My recollection of this song is that it was backed by a group called Los Incas, from Peru. Terry In a message dated 6/2/99 11:15:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << But don't forget that Simon & Garfunkle's last album, "Bridge Over >Troubled Water," was released in 1969 with the Brazilian-influenced song "El >Condor Pasa (If I Could)." Maybe Peruvian? >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:56:18 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Dan Fogelberg's Netherlands NJC Terry says: << Maybe it's only evident on this album, as I don't have anything else of his.>> Well, since I'm still grateful to you for informing me of Jonatha's "Plumb" & "10c Wings", I'll pass on that if you like Dan F. you can't go wrong with Captured Angel or Souvenirs. Lots of nice guitar and piano, more uptempo (Part of The Plan was the biggest hit from the period I think)...And, since you're also an acoustic guitarist extroardinaire, you'd enjoy his quieter acoustic debut called "Home Free"...don't know if it's available on CD or not. Or, if you want me to make a cassette sampler of all three for you, it'd be my pleasure! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:09:18 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: NJC--ANTI FLAG-BURNING AMENDMENT TO CONSTITUTION PASSES HOUSE! --NJC Gosh, just as I was thinking "there's too much JC and not enough flame wars on this list", along comes Al to set things right! :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:15:52 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Heresy > 3. In the Heijra/FTR debate, I'd vote - if I HAD to vote - for NRH as > the best (as opposed to my favorite, which is, as I said, Blue). The > first time I played NRH I was stunned by the genius of it. However, the > more I listen to TI, the more I am able to move that up the list of my > favorites. I like to think that what Joni does now is the best part of > her work as the artist matures and grows, and it is hard for me to go > back 25 years and say that something she did then, as brilliant and as > virtuosic as it was, has not been surpassed by all that she has learned > since. > > In the same way then, I love FTR as much as I ought to love FTR; I love > Heijra as much as I ought to love Heijra, etc. In opera, I love Le > Nozze di Figaro best, but I am not going to argue that it is better than > Don Giovanni, or better than anything by Verdi or Puccini or Wagner, for > each speaks to each different person in a different way. I expect that > each Joni work speaks to someone else differently than it speaks to me. > I wouldn't personally rate Mingus at the upper portion of my personal > favorites, although it is an extraordinary work, and I am thankful she > did it, but it doesn't speak to me in the same way as WTRF does. > > So to argue which is better misses the point; it is more to the point to > share why something means something to us than to arbitrarily rank > things that are not meant to be ranked! Amen, Brother Vince! You cut right to the heart of it and said exactly what I've been trying to say about this all along. Thank you! > PS: let us remember today as we are doing all of our day-off things, to > keep in our prayers or thoughts or meditations or whatever each one > does, Wally B. and all those who have shared that they have ill health; > and to all, send our love. > Having been under the weather myself for the past few days (nothing serious, just a nasty summer cold) this reply is a little late but I just want to add my heartfelt agreement with this sentiment. Thanks again, Vince! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:33:02 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics Sue McN, who we're all very glad to see again, wrote: > and then he says to her ... > > "Your notches -- liberation doll" > > notches referring to the marks on a gunslinger's Colt 45 from all the men > he's killed. > > Translation: Don't tell me I'm drunk, bitch -- those empty glasses are > yours, not mine!! And don't give me any of that women's lib crap!! I agree with at least the last part of Sue's translation, although I've always viewed the notches as those on a bed post, thereby referring to all the women he's laid. Could it be that "your" should've been "you're"? As in, "Don't give me that women's lib crap; you're (still, just) notches to men, and we're still the ones who rule!" Then he reminds her of her submissive position by "chaining" her with his "serpent" -- or he reminds her that woman was the sinner who submitted to the serpent ("wash my guilt of Eden") -- to that Ethiopian wall, referring to the place where humans probably originated. She, representing vengeful goddesses everywhere, recognizes his crap for what it is, man's stupid and fearful insistence that he (and his church) shall remain in power. She replies that equality will reign (Anima -- an inner feminine part of the male personality -- rising, uprising in her tonight, but also in everyone else including enlightened men), and further, that she's up for the challenge: (Your) Truth goes up in vapors Winds of change patriarchs Snug in your bible belt dreams (Your) God goes up the chimney Like childhood Santa Claus The good slaves love the good book (referring to the conversion of captured Africans to Christianity?) A rebel loves a cause (rebelling against the patriarchy and its churches?) Just my take on it. Lori, lately getting reacquainted with the Motherpeace deck of cards San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:47:10 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics And "explosions > of your autumn" in "Love Puts on a New Face," I'd heard as "explosions of > erotic." Well I just had to get up & look at my TTT cd on this one. I always thought it was 'explosions of your ardor' (which I still rather like). For years when I listened to the line 'cry for Eddy in the corner thinking he's nobody' from People's Parties I heard 'cry for Livvy in her corner thinking there's nobody'. And the Joni mondegreens go on & on &..... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:57:07 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Starting the process... with a free but selected offer Hi all, Harper Lou here. I'm not a frequent poster (I've been busy) but I enjoy reading you all. I don't know if this violates etiquette, but here goes... I've been playing piano and harp for many years. Joni has been the first and foremost influence in my music. In fact, in my indecisive teen years, I heard "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" and made a firm decision that I WOULD remain a musician and a Joni fan for life. Over the years, people always said they could hear the Joni influence no matter what I played. Lately, I've been busy doing the Renaissance Faire circuit, a whole bunch of three-chord fantasy and fun. Well, friends and fans talked me into recording a CD of my own songs that I sometimes perform at more traditional gigs. The CD is complete, and like Joni's songs, the collection is real eclectic - -- 15 songs ranging from Celtic to jazz to blues to reggae to folk to mid-eastern and back again. But I really want some serious feedback, not just friends saying it's great or coworkers saying they haven't had time to listen to it. Since many of you are musicians, I was wondering if I could get about 15 of you to listen to "Sketchbook" and give me an honest appraisal. I really need to decide if it's worthwhile to continue working on originals or just stick with the bread-and-butter shows. If you're interested, I can afford to mail about 15 or 20 of you a free copy of the CD. Just promise to listen to all the tracks and send me a review, or even a few brief comments. In other words, do I play real good for free? Musicians (in the US) who are interested, please e-mail me privately and include your address. I can only send CDs to the first 20 who respond, though. I'm not a hustler or stalker or anything -- sanity challenged perhaps, but harmless. There's a sound clip on my homepage (http://www.louislynch.com) if you want to taste a sample before requesting one. And, Wally, I would like you to have one, just because I appreciate your web work so much! Please e-mail me an address for mailing. It's a dream of mine to send a copy to Ms. Mitchell herself, but I don't know how or have the courage to do that. But the musicians on jmdl are a real cool next best thing, judging from the knowledgeable posts. Well, must run -- I have to race home from the office and check the cover of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Hope I didn't violate any list rules with this request. If I did, please forgive me! Louis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:13:52 EDT From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: demo HOSL/tape trees Hi everyone, I'm very interested in this demo of HOSL that has cropped up. I've never been involved in a tape tree, really. I've just gotten the two videos from Ashara (thanks again!). I'd like to know more about how the tape trees work, how I could get tape tree #9, and if anyone would like for me to help circulate the demo tape (or if I could at least get one yet). I also have capability to put tapes onto cd-rs, if anyone would be interested in doing some of that. Thanks, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:17:38 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Both Sides Now Welcome back, Sue! You've been missed. When I first heard talk of an album of standards, I immediately started fantasizing about a live concert on A&E with a big band, and I imagined this bit of cheesy Hollywood stage patter: Joni would start talking about picking "standards" to sing and exactly what constitutes a standard, and she would offer various definitions. Then she would say she finally decided that when a song was recorded by Frank Sinatra, it was by definition a standard, and here's one that Frank recorded...and she would sing "Both Sides Now." At 12:05 PM 6/2/99 -0400, you wrote: >I actually got filled up and had to put the guitar down. So when I got to >work I headed to Wally's Upcoming News section of the Joni Page and read >the report that Joni is seriously considering calling her upcoming album >Both Sides Now with a new version of this song. !!!!! This is so >wonderful and the impact of such a simple classic song must be quite >amazing for an artist like Joni who has such a vast, complex catalog. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:24:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics > "Your notches liberation doll" is the correct lyric. This is a song about > a drunken brawl between two lovers. The line before it reads: > > A room full of glasses > > and then he says to her ... > > "Your notches -- liberation doll" > > notches referring to the marks on a gunslinger's Colt 45 from all the men > he's killed. > > Translation: Don't tell me I'm drunk, bitch -- those empty glasses are > yours, not mine!! And don't give me any of that women's lib crap!! Thank you, Sue! This is exactly what I was trying to say. The glasses are the notches referred to. It is GREAT to have you back, by the way! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:32:30 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: NJC--ANTI FLAG-BURNING AMENDMENT TO CONSTITUTION PASSES HOUSE! --NJC The subject line of this thread is misleading. The anti-flag-burning amendment has yet to be considered by the House of Representatives this Congress. Indeed, the House is currently on recess. The House resumes business on Monday. It is possible that at some point after that the amendment will be considered. If it is considered, it will likely pass the House but not be considered by the Senate. - --Michael, off to see Beth Orton for $ .99 - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: (NJC) Up For Adoption Hi Gang! Enough is enough, I can take it no more! I've been pridefully lying in the weeds, trying to not feel too envious of all the Joni recordings everyone else seems to have. I really didn't want to be a pest and burden anyone the time to record these for me. But on the radio station I listen to, KINK in Portland OR, today was "Joni day" and they're playing Joni about every 45 minutes. This morning they played a live, solo, acoustic version of Hejira (Miles was the reference this time). All you guys know what tape tree this is from, no doubt, but crap, even the radio stations have this stuff. Wah! Wah! Wah! But the straw that's breaking my back is reading Kakki's fortune and assessment of hearing different, more trimmed down (?) versions of HOSL and Dreamland. Kakki, I'm so green with envy, I could pass for pea soup today! (No, smart ass Bob, that's not "pass" pea soup....I'd go to a doctor for that! And I realize that HOSL isn't available to the masses yet) I'm now beyond the point of being humble, I'm groveling will someone please adopt me as a leaf? I'll be very patient! Head down, I've been weakened to where I can bear to hear no more. Please, some kind soul? ;-) Smiles, Penny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:52:49 PDT From: John Low Subject: Heresy/Blue I am a little behind in responding to Rev. Vince's "Heresy" post but I can't resist a short reflection on "Blue". This album was where I began my Joni journey. I bought it in London in the early 1970s and by the time I returned to Australia I was a confirmed Joniphile. The music seemed to express some of the loneliness I felt at the time, a long way from home and missing my girlfriend. But, like Rev. Vince, I don't recall ever regarding it as a particularly "depressing" album. I especially loved "Carey" (and still do) and remember hearing it on the radio in the north of Scotland and defending it in a lively discussion with my host. I never visited the Mermaid Cafe or saw the Matalla moon, but Joni did sing of going perhaps to Amsterdam and I did go there and slept in Vondel Park with hundreds of other young people. For me "Blue" still resonates with memories of those times, full of youthful longings, when (in the words of the great Australian writer Henry Lawson) "the world was wide". I love "Blue" - and "Hejira",LOC,TI etc. I love them all "as much as I ought to". Thanks Rev. for making the point. John. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:56:51 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: RE: NJC--ANTI FLAG-BURNING AMENDMENT TO CONSTITUTION PASSES HOUSE ! --NJC Though I'm holding my tongue on this issue..... here's my only words on the subject Michael wrote: <> Michael is absolutely right. In fact, that subject line had me cursing and slamming drawers before I bothered to actually read the post. For those of you with similar socio-political leanings, the ACLU is sponsoring a mail/fax campaign to congress. You can find it at http://www.aclu.org/congress/flag1999.html <<--Michael, off to see Beth Orton for $ .99>> Jenaya.... SOOO jealous!! NP: Morcheeba- Friction ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:06:12 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC--ANTI FLAG-BURNING AMENDMENT TO CONSTITUTION PASSES HOUSE! --NJC If you guys think Im going to get involved in this one you are crazy. No this time its a big fat "The hilllllllls are aliiiiive with the sound of Muuuuuusic". marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:37:15 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Belafonte (and Julie Andrews) > MDESTE1@AOL.COM writes: > > > Where does Harry Belafonte fit in. He practically invented the blending of > > pop and Carribean music in the late 50's. Belafonte did introduce almost all of us to Caribbean music. With all the contributions that Simon, Gabriel, Joni, and others did later, we still all were singing The Banana Boat Song (Day-O) as kids. And in another context, remember the early 60s great controversy when in a tv special, Belafonte touched Julie Andrews on the arm... a black man touching a white woman, a first in tv at that time. That was shortly after the Supreme Court struck down Virginia's law banning "mixed" marriages, and Andrews, to her eternal credit, insisted the scene be left in her tv special despite the pressure that she wasd contributing to race mixing and moral decay. Question to Marcel, please answer in the forum: I am not familiar with Belafonte's Broadway work, just his pop work; please educate me/us. I am very interested. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:37:20 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC Belafonte (and Julie Andrews) > > > > > Where does Harry Belafonte fit in. He practically invented the blending of > > > pop and Carribean music in the late 50's. > > Belafonte did introduce almost all of us to Caribbean music. With all the > contributions that Simon, Gabriel, Joni, and others did later, we still all were > singing The Banana Boat Song (Day-O) as kids. And in another context, remember > the early 60s great controversy when in a tv special, Belafonte touched Julie > Andrews on the arm... a black man touching a white woman, a first in tv at that > time. That was shortly after the Supreme Court struck down Virginia's law > banning "mixed" marriages, and Andrews, to her eternal credit, insisted the > scene be left in her tv special despite the pressure that she wasd contributing > to race mixing and moral decay Not to pick nits but isn't it Petula Clark that Vince is referring to here? And I seem to recall that it was she who put her arm through Harry's. Anybody else remember this? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:47:10 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni - Paul Simon - World Music In a message dated 6/2/99 8:09:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << Where does Harry Belafonte fit in. He practically invented the blending of pop and Caribbean music in the late 50's. he was huge on Broadway and made a number of albums before doing movies. Or is the question only involving rock or folk rock stars who tried world music. Ry Cooder today as well as David Byrne are HUGE world beat and music aficionados marcel deste. >> I'm not sure Harry fits in anywhere because he is a singer/performer, not a songwriter. Besides, he was merely performing music from his own culture to American audiences, not so much crossing over from his own to another. This is not to say Harry wasn't a wonderful performer, but I don't think he fits in to a discussion of Paul Simon, Joni Mitchell and Peter Gabriel. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:06:16 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Flag burning amendment The Vietnam War was very unjust, as Colin has stated, but Al Date's post has impact considering all of the emotion on the flag in this country, and I thank him for it. I sure do hope that the flag burning amendment will never become law. I sure am glad that Congress is occupied by such trivial as this amendment, for everything must be so wonderful in this country and the world that they have time for this nonsense. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:59:40 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: HOSL Tape Hi everyone, I've already received eleven requests for the HOSL tape and think my hands will be quite full for awhile ;-D I ask those who will be receiving copies to please share with other people and hopefully it can work its way through the list. It's a fairly short run of material - the verses to the songs are abbreviated - and should all fit on a 45 min. tape. The sound quality is not high fidelity, but I almost like the "old tape" sound of it - adds to the "vintage" feeling. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:08:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Belafonte (and Julie Andrews) Mark wrote: > Not to pick nits but isn't it Petula Clark that Vince is referring to > here? And I seem to recall that it was she who put her arm through > Harry's. Anybody else remember this? I remember it as being Dusty Springfield. Kakki, joining the chorus in welcoming back Sue! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:39:49 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: that weird minor chord in joni's music bob wrote: >joni comments in an interview about the "devil chords" she plays in "Sunny Sunday" and how others with fundamental education in music theory would never have composed that particular chord progression as it goes against theory. i've been trying to find this interview. does anyone remember which tape tree it's on? bob, i think you've completely changed the point of her story; it's not about music theory at all but about religion's approach to music. she reported that the church used to ban certain chord progressions, because the lack of resolution implied doubt, and could cause the listener to doubt their faith. the specific example is from 'sunny sunday', 'that one little victory, that's all she needs!' the chord on 'needs' is so surprising... klein is in on the interview as well. your larger point, that joni is suspicious of too much music theory, can probably be defended from other joni-sources, but not this one. still, i'm glad tha igor stravinsky had a whomping russian musical academy education. we'd be poorer elsewise... patrick np - stravinsky - ebony concerto (yes, i recognize the contradiction) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:31:10 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: RE: NJC-- Beth Orton At 03:32 PM 6/2/99 -0800, mwyarbro@zzapp.org wrote: > >--Michael, off to see Beth Orton for $ .99 > Michael- Please give us a short review of Beth's performance..... and $.99 !!!! Can't beat that price! heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:46:09 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: just like her njc hey, nobody's perfect... especially me! LoL! - -- On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:35:39 Wally Kairuz wrote: >Pat! I'm sorry! I made a mistake and called you Paul in my post! >WallyK >-----Original Message----- >De: P. Henry >Para: joni@smoe.org ; Wally Kairuz > >Fecha: Miircoles 2 de Junio de 1999 03:40 >Asunto: RE: just like her > > >> >>WallyK wrote: >>"...I'm planning to play it at Ashara's." >> >> >>thank you wally... I'm honored >> pat >> >>NP: *great big satisfied ear-ear smile* >> >> >> >>Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com >> > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:12:08 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC--ANTI FLAG-BURNING AMENDMENT TO CONSTITUTION PASSES HOUSE! --NJC In a message dated 99-06-02 18:41:33 EDT, mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: >The House resumes business on Monday. It is possible that at >some point after that the amendment will be considered. If it >is considered, it will likely pass the House but not be considered >by the Senate. > > Whew! Thanks for the update. MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:33:07 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics My bro Mark wrote: << And the Joni mondegreens go on & on &..... >> OK, all right, all ready!!!! You "really" want to know?? California: "I'll even kiss a Sunset pig" has always been "I'll even kiss the sunset pink." I know what you're thinking.....Yeah, right, like Joni can kiss a sunset, sure. Well, in my mind, Joni can do anything, so she kisses the pink sunset, OK????? ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:11:02 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Album Covers (Ent. Wkly) Catgirl responded to my pointing out the Mingus family jewels: << If this is true then where is it on Hejira? I looked (opps) and did not see anything that resembled that. >> Anyone who mistakes Joni's wrist for a penis on Hejira's cover needs glasses.... E.T. NP: Ray Of Light ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:17:40 -0500 From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: MOJO news Thanks for the welcome. I agree with Thomas Ross, "this could be cool but "in an off-the-wall way" and the sulky concert attitude give me pause". I wonder what Joni what think of this coming out? Somehow, I don't think she'd be pleased. I happened to pick up this Stuart "Dinky" Dawson person's book at a Half-Price bookstore here in Dallas, I scanned the jacket and it said the magic word, Joni, so I turned to the index and read all the Joni parts, and what I read was so mean spirited and downright ugly that I immediately put the book down and filed his name in the "do not enter" part of my brain. So then Mojo shows up in the mail the other day and his name jumped off the page right behind Joni's. His book gave the impression that they were not what you would call buddies. And I never saw his book mentioned on Wally's site. Therefore I jump to the conclusion that there's something fishy going on here. And a question, what's this tape tree thing and how does one join? And one more question, does anyone want to see and/or here about my Joni autograph from a Woodstock party?? Its hard to find people to share it with that even remotely care as much as I and my poor husband has told me how cool it is a million times and the cats, well, you know how cats are....... Patti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:16:30 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Me & Julio and the JUNGLE LINE The kind of beat Simon used in "Me & Julio..." was, to my ears anyway, a very generic sort of Latin background. I haven't heard the recording for -what?- 20 years, but I don't recall thinking, when I did hear it, that it was anything fundamentally different from what jazz musicians (Dizzy, Horace Silver) had been doing since the 40s & 50s . Now what JM did on JUNGLE LINE was quite startling, not only because it was a sound and beat new to me but because it was mixed so upfront and reinforced so directly the lyric. Simon may have done it first; Joni Mitchell did it with unequalled originality and intensity. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:49:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: lyrically challenged i've been working on just like me, but the lyrics i hear differ from those posted by pat. can you help? where pat wrote "if he'd drop his defenses, you'd see through...", but i hear "he'll drop his defenses, you'll see through..." then the next stanza sounds different to me too: "i've seen him look hungered for someone to tell him you're doing just fine and the songs that he's sung they have loneliness woven between every line with no strings to hold him i guess he could call himself free yes he's free to be empty and lonely and wrong just like me" if there is someone out there that has the tape at hand, could you check out if i'm hearing right or if it's my english? thanks!!! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:52:48 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Thanks to ALL my friends! (NJC) Hello Friends- Thanx so much for all of the very kind notes, what you all say really rings true to me in so many ways. Marian and Clark, I really DO feel angry and it brings back alot of old stuff. Clark and Colin brought forth points about suicide being a valid option for some and I heard that tonight from closer friends (of my friend Michael's than I) that said they felt even his family felt that he was "better now" "the pain was gone" and these thoughts Do make sense to me. Kakki, Gina, Terry, Lori, Sue Mac, Steve Dulson, Rev Vince, Debbe, Susan L.A., Cathy in Oregon, Susan (DreamZ), Jerry, Les, and Terry, the music and the prayers and my dear friends (virtual, of spirit and all ) is alot of what keeps ME going and I appreciate YOU ALL VERY DEEPLY. Sue Mc, I've got Wild Things Run Fast cued and ready to go for my ride in tomorrow morning. I am overwhelmed my the outpouring of love and support from all of you although I am not at all surprised by it. I had another friend who killed himself ( many years ago now), very soon after his (and my) first soon were born. We talked almost every day about all the changes we were going through and the wonderful feelings we had about being fathers and our new feelings and respect for our wives, etc. When the kids were about two years old I heard he had killed himself and I totally freaked out. It was like the third time somebody really close to me had killed themselves and I was SO angry at him. I could not understand it and I hated him for it and I questioned everything and doubted everything and was suspicious of everything. I was asked to sing at his memorial and I stressed over what to play for days and finally decided on Teach Your Children (CSN) and I choked it out at the service, which was held in Jackson Square in the French Quarter. My wife and # 1 son were in the audience and his wife and son were there and every time I would look at them I felt so many emotions washing over me. I wish I could have a video to have seen my face cause (what I'm feeling's always written on my face) of all the things I was feeling (it must have been a frightning sight). I have never been ok with his death and everytime I hear of a suicide it brings it all back. His wife made a comment to me at the time that blew me away. She said that Harlan always loved adventure and she was sure that he looked at this as just another adventure. I wrestled that one for quite a lomg time. The thought of my children growing up without mommy or daddy is enough to send me to the Puffs box. My friend Michael who was buried yesterday had a session booked on this Friday at another friends studio. They are gonna go ahead with the session and record his music. I am contemplating participating in some way and hope that something good will come out of it. There has been talk of donating proceeds to a suicide hotline and other such benefits. I am feeling better and with the outpouring of support from "our community" I am well on the road. God Bless us all and much love and continued good music. Michael NP-Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwigs Tune) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 02:26:47 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics In a message dated 6/2/99 7:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Ashara@aol.com writes: << California: "I'll even kiss a Sunset pig" has always been "I'll even kiss the sunset pink." >> Does anyone know where or what the "sunset Pig" is?? Forgive me if this has already been discussed on the list! Trey np - 11o'clock news theme (yuck) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:25:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics > Does anyone know where or what the "sunset Pig" is?? Forgive me if this has > already been discussed on the list! Trey, back in the 60s Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood was THE place where everyone wanted to hang out and was where most of the music was happening (The Whisky, Gazzari's, The Doors, Byrds, CSN, etc.) Because this is where the SoCal "wild hippie" youth congregated in droves, there was always a corresponding presence of hardnosed police officers, who were commonly and colloquially referred to as (ahem) "the pigs" in those days. So Joni wanted to get back home so bad she'd even kiss the "enemy" so to speak. And I must say that Ashara has come up with one of the best and very appropriate mondegreen alternative lyrics for Joni to use should she choose to be more polite these days - we do have mostly pink sunsets in L.A. ;-D Kakki NP: Joni - Just Like Me ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #240 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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