From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #238 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 238 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Dan Fogelberg's Netherlands SJC ["Beverly" ] Re: June MOJO Magazine- Joni 70s live recording pegged for release ["Beve] Ent. Weekly Discrepancy!? [Lindsay Moon ] Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Album Covers (Ent. Wkly) ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: Ent. Weekly Discrepancy!? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Dan Fogelberg's Netherlands ["Eric Taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:07:01 -0000 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: Dan Fogelberg's Netherlands SJC Terry Wrote: >I was just wondering if anyone is familiar with this old album. I just >replaced my vinyl of this 70's piece and fell in love with it all over again. >He sounds a lot like a male Joni vocalist with just a touch of country thrown >in. > >Anyone? Terry, I first heard Netherlands when I was in college. I was working in a clothing store and they continuously played three tapes: Rumours, Aja, and Dan Fogelberg's Souvenirs. These songs were literally burned into my consciousness. I thought I'd never listen to Fogelberg again until I recently read an article about his new boxed set. In the article he mentions Joni. The following is an excerpt: "Fogelberg, normally reluctant to reveal too much of himself, decided to open up after reading a Los Angeles Times interview with another famously private singer-songwriter, Joni Mitchell. ''She talked about her songs and what they meant and I said, 'God, this is great,''' Fogelberg says. ''Here I was, a huge Joni Mitchell fan, going, 'Well, if I'm enjoying this from her, then maybe fans of mine might enjoy this.'" I recently found the boxed set in a used CD store, and he really did create some lovely, lilting ballads. It brought back some great memories, both of college and of working in that damn clothing store. Bev NP - Run for the Roses - DF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:24:57 -0000 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: June MOJO Magazine- Joni 70s live recording pegged for release >Patti here, long time Joni fan, new member of the list, been lurking and >enjoying Welcome, Patti! >HELLO, THIS IS JONI (headline) : Lost Joni Mitchell '70s live recordings >pegged for release (subhead) Thanks for some of the best Joni news I've heard this year. It takes forever for MOJO to make it to Orlando. Thanks again for the heads up!! This is one issue I won't miss. It's such a great mag and found out about it on this list! Bev ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:23:32 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Ent. Weekly Discrepancy!? I hounded my neighbor for her issue of the recent (May 28) issue of Entertainment Weekly to scout the full-page photo of our Joan. Beautiful! Then, while poking around the rest of the '70s section where she was featured, there was another segment featuring early pictures of Joni, James Taylor and Carole King titled, "Singer-Songerwriter Stars Collide." Here's the good news. It speaks of the three of them recording their albums (Tapestry, Sweet Baby James and Blue) at L.A.'s A&M Recording Studios simultaneously and concurs in part the result was, "the brilliant, confessional Blue would come to be known as the genre's creative peak." The bad news (comes knockin' at your garden gate...): Two pages later, there is a segment entitled, "Paul Simon Goes Global." An excerpt, reviewing how Simon stumbled onto reggae in Jamaica: "The resulting collaboration [referring to jamming with Jamaican musicians] and hit single [Mother and Child Reunion] broke ground for the Anglo-worldbeat of Talking Heads, Sting, Joni Mitchell, and Simon's 1986 Graceland..." But, but, but -- wasn't Hissing of Summer Lawns on which Joni features the drums of Burundi released in 1975?? What is the chronology (I don't know when Mother and Child reunion was released.)? I've always thought Joni was the forerunner -- certainly long before Simon and Peter Gabriel who mostly get the credit for using world beats first. And don't misunderstand, I love Paul Simon and think he's a brilliant musician in his own right. Puzzled, but feeling that Joni was first and that's that. Lindsay in San Diego Another note -- forgot to mention long ago that a grocery store clerk looked at my Joni TTT t-shirt and said, "Is that Helga?" (Referring to the painting by American painter -- was it Andrew or J.C. Wyeth? Kakki will know.) Sigh. I should have replied, "No, it's another work of art, Joni Mitchell.) Next time ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:37:31 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics Re the "Don't interrupt..." lyric, I think it's conceivable that she PRONOUNCED what you heard, but in that event, it's still puzzling.... altho' no less puzzling than the words in the COMPLETE POEMS & LYRICS volume: "Your notches liberation doll." It's more than possible that this volume was not proofed visually by JM herself and indeed the book discreetly omits any reference to JM's having a role in its preparation. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:19:13 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Album Covers (Ent. Wkly) > ><< But E.T., where is the penis on the cover of Mingus ?? > > It's SO blatant. Look at the guy on the right playing a horn. His >flesh-colored lap prominently displays his family jewels. It's to the left of the guy (George Jetson?) who is playing the large(bass?) balalaika. POC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:50:22 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Song For Sharon Hi All- It's a sad today, as I am sitting here listening to SFS to kinda help to deal with these horrible feelings. I found out a friend put a gun in his mouth over the weekend and they planted him today. This has happened so many times before that it is starting to get to me. He was not a "real close friend", but it was someone I dealt with professionally on a regular basis. This does not come at a good time for me as I have been really down for quite some time (which is REALLY ODD FOR me). When I get down I think of my friends who have done this and of course it really scares me and brings the pain right "up front and center". Don't get me wrong the person that is sitting here typing this would never do that to myself (especially when I think of my children), but then again I think of some of the people that did this and I wonder how/why/but/etc/etc/ and go "oh shit something must just snap and THIS can happen to any on us". It's been a rough few weeks here with alot of death and despair. The bus crash that just happened a couple of weeks ago, which was one of the worst in US history, touched really close to home. A close friends (musician/studio bud) mom was on the bus and killed. A favorite uncle passed. I had a fight with the boss and several others at work,... Listening to Joni's music was always very soothing for me at times like these and now I even have an extended family to rant to as well. Thanks for being there Joni and now JMDL. Peace, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:51:30 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Ent. Weekly Discrepancy!? In a message dated 6/2/99 12:25:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, moonlj@san.rr.com writes: << creative peak." The bad news (comes knockin' at your garden gate...): Two pages later, there is a segment entitled, "Paul Simon Goes Global." An excerpt, reviewing how Simon stumbled onto reggae in Jamaica: "The resulting collaboration [referring to jamming with Jamaican musicians] and hit single [Mother and Child Reunion] broke ground for the Anglo-worldbeat of Talking Heads, Sting, Joni Mitchell, and Simon's 1986 Graceland..." But, but, but -- wasn't Hissing of Summer Lawns on which Joni features the drums of Burundi released in 1975?? What is the chronology (I don't know when Mother and Child reunion was released.)? I've always thought Joni was the forerunner -- certainly long before Simon and Peter Gabriel who mostly get the credit for using world beats first. And don't misunderstand, I love Paul Simon and think he's a brilliant musician in his own right. Puzzled, but feeling that Joni was first and that's that. Lindsay in San Diego >> Paul Simon wins this one. His self-titled debut solo album with the Reggae-influenced "Mother and Child Reunion" as well as the Latin-influenced "Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard" was released in 1972 and is recognized as being "surely one of the first American pop flirtations with Jamaican music," according to the album notes at CDNow. But don't forget that Simon & Garfunkle's last album, "Bridge Over Troubled Water," was released in 1969 with the Brazilian-influenced song "El Condor Pasa (If I Could)." Simon was well-ahead of Joni in the explorations of music from other cultures, as were Cream drummer Ginger Baker and others on a less-successful level. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:40:29 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Dan Fogelberg's Netherlands Terry asks: << I was just wondering if anyone is familiar with this old album. I just replaced my vinyl of this 70's piece and fell in love with it all over again. He sounds a lot like a male Joni vocalist with just a touch of country thrown in. >> This was the album that turned me onto Fogelberg back in 1980 (at the same time I rediscovered post-C&S Joni). At that time I considered them my two favorite artists & performed many of their songs with my band, Dog, in a Blowing Rock, NC, folk/jazz club called Patty B's. "Nexus" was released a few years later & I was in pop heaven hearing my two fav artists together (I still think it's his best work). I've had many favorite bands since I can remember - the Beatles, Carol King, Led Zepplin, Elton John, The Moody Blues, Stevie Wonder, Donny Hathaway, Barbra Streisand, Dan Fogelberg, Paul Simon, U2, Bjork, Dave Matthews (in that order) - but I must confess that Joni Mitchell is the only one that I still listen to on a daily basis. Today I was stuck for 90 minutes in rush hour & was actually enjoying the chance to hear the complete "Crest Of Joni Mitchell" (a CD I recorded last week with 18 songs - one fav from every Joni album in order). I still relish every song & continue to be blown away by her sheer brilliance & evolution as a musician! But what really amazes me is that Joni continues to sound better on each progressive album & few of her songs have become stale to me. I can't say that about any other artist. E.T. NP: Twin Sons Of Different Mothers ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #238 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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