From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #230 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 25 1999 Volume 04 : Number 230 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Paprika Plains "live" [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: Paprika Plains "live" [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Jazz Takes On JM [Dflahm@aol.com] Dylan Festival Report (long!) #5 - NJC - final [Marian Russell ] Re: Dylan Festival Report (long!) #5 - NJC - final [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni In Entertainment Weekly [Brian Gross ] RE: JMDL Digest V4 #228 [Doug Barrett ] Alley McBeal NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] (no subject) [Ginamu@aol.com] My appologies to the list [Ginamu@aol.com] Guitars (NJC) [michael paz ] TapeTree #8 ~ Update and Apologies [simon@icu.com] TapeTree #8 ~ Original Announcement [simon@icu.com] TapeTree #8 ~ DAT (contents) [simon@icu.com] TapeTree #8 ~ Cassette (contents) [simon@icu.com] Latest TapeTree ["Jerome Gonzales" ] Marian's Trip (njc) [michael paz ] Re: Paprika Plains live? NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Tape Tree Question (NJC?) [DavinaGr@aol.com] Re: TapeTree #8 ~ Update and Apologies [Les Irvin ] Re: Man from Mars NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] r&r will never die (njc) [patrick leader ] A branch adopted this leaf! (NJC) [DavinaGr@aol.com] More ideas from Party Central (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Re: r&r will never die (njc)but it was coughing up blood this morning... [Randy Remote > Bob, haven't you noticed by now that whenever anyone says, "Gee, [name of Joni album] isn't many peoples' favorite, is it?" they turn out to be wrong? ;) (I know HOSL is some peoples' favorite, anyway; it's not mine, but "In France They Kiss on Main Street" is at or near the top of my favorite-Joni-songs list -- perhaps the coolest song she has written.) I disagree with you that HOSL is more complex than DJRD. Like I think that DJRD's lyrics are less "impenetrable" (more direct and literal) than HOSL's, if that's what you mean by complex, but they are more penetrating and insightful and ambitious. (Not, I hasten to add, that HOSL isn't penetrating, insightful, and ambitious.) <> "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" is another of my favorites. I've always heard it as being about Christianity's use of the Bible to justify the subjugation of women. This begins with the Adam and Eve story, in which Eve (the first/"archetypal" woman) is created from Adam's rib, gives in to the serpent's temptation ("And he chains me with that serpent..."), then leads innocent, upright Adam astray (hence "wash my guilt of Eden"). "In flames our prophet witches" recalls the Church-sanctioned "witch" hunts of the middle ages (and later) in which many women (and men) were tortured and murdered. There are other allusions to Christianity in the song: "Queen of Queens" (Jesus Christ being the King of Kings), "a heart like Mary's," "milk of the Madonna," etc. Another reading of the "wash my guilt of Eden" line, perhaps, is that when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, according to the Bible, they became aware of their nakedness and were ashamed. Society, it could be argued, has long taught women to be ashamed of their bodies: constrictive fashion (long dresses, high collars, corsets) and the double standard for male vs. female nudity (and the supposed immorality of nudity in general), for instance. Feminism in the '60s and '70s challenged this attitude, encouraging women to love their bodies -- hence "wash my guilt [shame] of Eden." The song describes this conflict between fundamental Christianity and feminism in the '60s and '70s -- between the "patriarchs, snug in [their] Bible belt dreams" and the winds of change making the steeples lean. The subjugation of women is embodied in the song by the male chauvinist, resisting the women's movement, using women as sport ("you're notches, liberation doll"), drinking heavily ("seventeen glasses/Rhine wine"; "a roomful of glasses" -- I wonder if this is related to "Tethered to a ringing telephone/in a roomful of mirrors" from "Same Situation"?), treating Joni like a waitress ("bring that bottle kindly and I'll pad your purse"), lying and cheating. When the man in the song says, "We walked on the moon/you be polite," I take it to mean something like, "MEN walked on the moon/what have you WOMEN ever done?" When he says, "Petrified wood process tall timber down to rock," I think it means, "It [gender roles] has ALWAYS been this way" or "it's the natural order of things." Incidentally, the (rather pretentious, IMO) liner notes to the album say, "'The Boho Dance' is a Tom Wolfe-ism from the book 'The Painted Word.' The poem, 'Don't Interrupt the Sorrow' was born around 4 a.m. in a New York loft. Larry Poons seeded it and Bobby Neuwirth was midwife here, but the child filtered through Genesis at Jackfish Lake, Saskatchewan, is rebellious and mystical and insists that its conception was immaculate." Hmmmm, sounds like a Trouble Child to me! (I can't tell if that last sentence in the liner notes quotation is supposed to refer to "Don't Interrupt..." or to the album as a whole.) Thoughts? - --David (from Oberlin, now home for the summer) NP: Leos Janacek, _Glagolitic Mass_ (1926) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 04:20:58 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Paprika Plains "live" You are right on about DRJD and its astonishing audacity. Not many leaders would just step out of the way and let a bunch of percussionists just go at it. And the title cut, for me, shows several facets of her genius taken to their furthest limits. I think Jaco Pastorius had a tremendous influence on what finally got on the vinyl, but credit JM for being open to that influence and making the most of it. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 04:33:23 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Jazz Takes On JM Wow! It's 4:27 AM here in NYC, but I'm glad I decided to tune in tonight! I'm happy to see my CD listed in the "top five" but wonder what's being ranked here. Is it musical quality, is it airplay, is it sales? I don't know what "AFTER HOURS" is. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:23:49 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Dylan Festival Report (long!) #5 - NJC - final On both Saturday and Sunday afternoon, I spent a little time in the video room watching some clips of Dylan in concert. The most amazing one I saw was of him singing It's Alright Ma – the pace of the song and the intensity of his delivery were incredible. I tried to find out later if the video was commercially available, but it was from someone's private collection. At around 3:30 p.m., I joined Robert, Sixt and Hermann (our lead guitarist) in the hall in the cellar where the bands were to play in the evening. The members of the Who Cares band had already set up most of the equipment and were starting their sound checks which lasted for the next two hours. It was interesting to be there, but it was so cold that I went upstairs and got a blanket from my room so that I could stay warm. Our drummer, Micki, arrived just before 5:30 p.m. when we started our sound check. Fortunately our sound check didn't take very long and we were done by 6:15. I decided to skip the common dinner and returned to my room where I enjoyed some Hungarian salami with a garlicky cream cheese and fresh strawberries that I had bought at a little store in the village below the day before. It was a perfect meal. I rested until around 8 p.m., then went down below to see what was happening. When I got to the hall, people had already taken places in the audience and Robert was on stage playing some licks on his guitar. I was starting to feel excited about the upcoming performance. Robert finished around 8:15 and Robert, Sixt, Hermann, Micki and I had a last-minute discussion about our setlist. We began our set at 8:30 with Robert's version of Jokerman. All together we did 16 songs, including one song by Neil Young and a solo I did on guitar of the only Joni Mitchell song that Dylan ever recorded – Big Yellow Taxi. I also performed the song All Along The Watchtower which I did with the chords and tuning of Michael Hedges on rhythm guitar, accompanied by bass guitar, drums and lead guitar. For the rest of the songs, I played keyboard and sang some harmonies occasionally. One of the members of the other band had set up a mini-disc recorder, so I'm pretty sure our whole set was recorded – it's just a matter of time until we can get a copy for our band. My favorite songs performed by the band were Jokerman, Ballad Of A Thin Man, What Was It You Wanted and Rita May – they were just really fun to play along with and I really enjoyed being part of the process. Our set lasted about one and a half hours and the audience seemed to like us, which was gratifying. At around 10:15, the band Who Cares started their set. They were really tight and the lead singer, Roman, was very intense and Dylan-like in his delivery. I really enjoyed their playing very much and so did the crowd – many people were dancing in front of the stage area as if they were at a Dylan concert or something. I wish I was more familiar with Dylan's music so that I could tell you what songs they played, but most of the songs were ones I had never heard before. For two of their songs, they invited an accordion player from Vienna to join them on the stage and he was great! Just before midnight, the poet Steven Scobie (who had given a lecture in the afternoon which I missed because of the sound check) took the microphone and started counting down – ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one – and everyone in the crowd yelled "Happy Birthday, Bob!" That was the first time I realized that the 24th of May was Bob Dylan's birthday and part of the reason why everyone was celebrating. After the bands were finished playing, the Dylan disco started up again, and an older woman (she must have been at least 60) who had been dancing to the band, continued her dancing at the disco. Watching her, I hoped I would be like that when I reach 60! Luigi and Fernanda were passing out some sweet Italian red dessert wine to various people and we all toasted each other. It was all very nice – the music, the people, the location. I felt like I had found another community to which I could/did belong. I think another musical jam session occurred in the room with the hearth and I had wanted to join in, but I made the mistake of lying down in my room for a few minutes after taking up the last of my equipment and fell easily and deeply asleep without reawakening until 6 a.m. I guess the one little glass of sweet wine had made me sleepy. I made my way downstairs for breakfast and ran into Hermann who had stayed up all night drinking and partying. We had breakfast together and then I headed home around 8 a.m. It was really one of the most enjoyable weekends I have ever had in my entire life and I hope to attend again next year. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:46:42 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Re: The World Travelling Joni Cookbook On Monday, Michael Paz wrote: > Hello Joni Lovers- > It is my pleasure to tell you that the famous world travelling Joni > Cookbook made it's way to New Orleans this weekend and in it's beautiful > wrappings and gold ribbons, is now on its way to Joni. > Thank you so much, Michael, for seeing the package safely on its way! > ...and I think we need to get to work on the sale copies for list members > as a fundraiser to support the list/web page funds. My wife has offered > to be involved with the production (seeing how she does print production > for a living) > Jerry Notaro had offered to look into getting the cookbook published as a fund-raiser for Wally and I'm totally enthusiastic about the idea. He has a lot of experience with such things because of a family member who has been in charge of a similar venture (or ventures - maybe 14 different cookbooks, or 14 printings of the same cookbook - whatever it was was highly successful). The final cookbook had 110 recipes and 62 contributors, but there is absolutely no reason why the cookbook could not be opened for more contributions and contributors for the fund-raising version. I think it is much more practical (mostly because of where I live) that someone else take over this project from me, however. Also, there was some talk of changing the bios and adding photos of people and a section about various Jonifests. I am planning to bring an exact copy of the cookbook as has been sent to Joni as a present to Ashara for hosting another Jonifest, but please don't tell her, because I want it to be a surprise! ;^D It is a lot of work and kind of expensive for me to make and send exact replicas of Joni's gift, including the wrapping paper and ribbon, but I *might* be willing to do it if the price was right and if a donation to Wally could be part of the deal. The postage alone is $35 UPS from Vienna. I apologize for not making any last minute announcement requesting last minute contributions/contributors, but the deadline had been mid-March and I had already extended it well beyond that time so that persons who had expressed an interest in contributing could be included (and it took some of them a *long* time to get their act together - I won't mention any names, they know who they are - LOL). I even told some of the new people about the project privately after the deadline and asked if they wanted to be included. So I don't feel too guilty, but I do feel sorry that some people could not be included. I took some photos of the book before and after wrapping it in the gift wrap and I hope to put them up in the JMDL Gallery somewhere in a cookbook section which has yet to be designed. If you come to Ashara's Jonifest, though, you can see a live version! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:59:52 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Re: The World Travelling Joni Cookbook I forgot to say that many thanks are also due to Don Rowe, who designed the cookbook cover page, and to Marilyn Urbanski who did the lovely portrait of Joni for the cover page. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:05:31 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: cash by mail (Re: Mere technicalities) NJC Ashara@aol.com writes: > 3) I have friends in England, who have sent cash via the mail many > times > before over the years, and it has never been a problem, so that way > would be > fine also. CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: > DO NOT SEND CASH IN THE MAIL!!! One of my massage clients sent > $500.00 by > federal express to her aunt who need rent money and some postal worked > stole > it. When she caleed the post master he told her that they can *sniff* > out > money. this is what I was told so don't beat up on me please... > Catgirl...always writing checks to be safe! I've had to deal with this issue dozens of times and for many years, so I thought I'd let you all know what I think of mailing cash: Between Europe and the USA, paying small amounts can be a problem. If both parties are private citizens (not businesses) it's often not possible to pay by credit card. Banks charge very high costs for foreign bank checks (private checks are a definite no-no) or direct account transfers ($10-$15 per check/transfer in Finland where I live). Account transfer also takes an unbelievable 10-14 days to arrive. Money orders haven't been in use in my country for 20 years. Also, if I'm not totally wrong, Western Union is very expensive (someone correct me on that please). That means cash is the only affordable method. I am lucky to have an exchange office in my town that sells currency charge-free. Cash is the cheapest way even if there's a charge for exchange. I believe this is the situation in most European countries. Banks here seem to be fading out checks (and money orders, where they're still available) and try to go all electronic. But at the moment they don't offer a reasonably priced method for paying small amounts between two individuals that would work globally. What comes to sending cash by mail, there is always a risk. I myself have been very active at eBay (the auction site) during the last 12 months, mostly buying but also selling. I must have made closer to 200 deals. Most of my sellers have been in the USA and I always sent them cash. *None* of the letters I sent to the USA got lost. The only problems I've had have been with the sellers themselves, not the Postal Services. I would say it's very rare that someone in the Postal Service steals mail. But to make sure that doesn't happen, you can always register the letter. I've stopped doing that unless the sum is over $20/$30. As it's basically illegal to mail cash in many countries, the Postal Services will not refund a loss. In many countries you will also need to insure the letter to be eligible for a refund. The refunding process is also such a pain that it's simply not worth it for smaller sums. I've also discovered that registering doesn't really guarantee anything if I run into trouble with the seller. If the person I send money to is dishonest and claims that s/he hasn't received my letter, I can naturally file a request at the Post Office and they will check if the letter was delivered. If they can show you that it was delivered (and registered letters almost never get lost), I am charged for all the expenses of the inquiry. I've been told that this can be up to $30! So, registering doesn't get me anywhere, if I can't be sure that the seller is honest. One affordable way to find out that my registered letter was delivered, is to attach a return card with the letter, which has to be signed by the recipient when he gets the letter and the card is then automatically mailed back to me. The return card costs about $1 extra. Unless the Postal workers have some weird mutant receptors in their nones to sniff money, the only way to detect money is to hold the letter against a bright light. This can be avoided by 'concealed cash'. Most importantly, don't ever send coins. They will stand out from the flat envelope like a stop sign. What you lose in sending a slightly larger sum in (lighter) bank notes, you will save on postage. The bank notes should be wrapped inside a piece of paper. The more colourful the better, thick glossy magazine pages work best. Also, you should never print anything on the envelope that gives away the contents. As trivial as that may seem, I've received letters with "PAYMENT FOR CD" written on top! Another rather idiotic advice is to seal the letter properly and to make sure that the address is correct, not forgetting your return address. Even with all those precautions, there is always the possibility that you will never get what you paid for. You can't trace cash like you can cancel a check. That's why I would never send a very large amount in cash to anyone I don't personally know to be reliable, registered or not. Active JMDL'ers would probably be an exception. What this 'treshold' amount is, everyone has to decide themselves. I have a "10% rule", which means that I will gladly pay the charge of $10 to send a $100 check to someone. On the other hand, if I knew the recipient, I would probably send him $200 by registered mail - it depends on the case. To a reliable aunt ;-) I could mail cash, but I would still register the letter. OK - sorry for rambling this long... But I would think that anyone who's sending a payment to the USA from another country (or vice versa) has to think about these things sooner or later. - --jussi np: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:43:14 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: martin sexton - njc now In a message dated 5/25/99 2:55:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: > so I was just wondering if any of you new england area jmdlers, or anyone > else for that matter, are familiar with his music... if not you might find it > well spent time to give him a listen. Yes, I'm a fan. I've been hearing Martin Sexton on my favorite radio station for some time now. He spent some time in a live broadcast from their studio once, which I caught and enjoyed. After that broadcast, tickets were given away to his local show and I won two - that was before his release The American. My husband and I loved his show. I have the American and play it frequently. The song Maria is incredibly beautiful musically and lyrically and Martin's passionate delivery makes that song alone worth the price of the album. Though, the whole cd is incredibly good. It's nice to see Martin Sexton mentioned here. Gina (late for work again) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:32:28 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Joni In Entertainment Weekly I know it's already been mentioned, but there is a beautiful full page b/w photo of Joni in the May 28 issue of EW. No air brush touched this great pix which shows every honest line in her face. When asked what has been her most satisfying moment as a rock star, she replies, " I never wanted to be a star. I liked a little attention, but never a lot. But I know (my) work has nutrition. One guy loved the music so much, on the day of his death from AIDS, he started in the morning and played all the albums, and when the last cut was done, he died. The work is heavy to some, uplifting to others. The ones who find it uplifting, that's where I take my honor from." Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:46:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The World Travelling Joni Cookbook Wally Kairuz wrote: > Oh I do want to buy a copy of the Joni Cookbook! I didn't know it was > already available. What do I have to do? > WallyK The "manuscript" has just recently been completed. I'm working on printing options so that the most amount of money is raised. There was interest shown for about 30 copies. Details will follow. Jerry np: STAS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:32:51 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Mad About You In the Mad About You finale last night, which is about the most cleverly written show on television, had a Joni inside reference. The premise, in a tribute to a classic I Love Lucy, has them finding out that they are not legally married. While discussing the dilemma, Helen Hunt says, "We don't need City Hall, or a piece of paper." Sound familiar? P.S. Catgirl, your cousin was great last night on the Ally Finale. Thank God for VCR's! Jerry np: WMNF playing Chelsea Morning, still one of their most requested songs. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:48:44 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Dylan Festival Report (long!) #5 - NJC - final In a message dated 5/25/99 5:24:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, m.russell@iaea.org writes: << It was really one of the most enjoyable weekends I have ever had in my entire life and I hope to attend again next year. >> Wow, Marian. What a magical story you unfolded for us. I found myself wanting to hear more! Great story! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni In Entertainment Weekly - ---Terry quotes Joni from the May 28 issue of EW: > > When asked what has been her most satisfying moment as a rock star, she > replies, > " ... One guy loved the music so much, on the > day of his death from AIDS, he started in the morning and played all the > albums, and when the last cut was done, he died..." I can certainly understand that. If I had only a short time to live, I would want to hear all of Joni's music one last time to take with me on that long journey. Her music *is* in my blood like holy wine. And thank you to all of you for being part of this wonderful community. There is nothing else quite like it in the known universe. Take care, Brian np: Blue 24k gold cd (which is head and shoulders above the original cd in clarity (imho) === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" (except maybe the people in the next room at the Holiday Inn) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:05:19 -0500 From: Doug Barrett Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #228 <> It is hard to select a "best Joni album" simnply because most are so strong! I prefer to say that her run from Blue to DJRD is the best six album run by any artist in history (and the most audacious as well). Choosing between them is too difficult, as each is a piece in a thematic and musical puzzle. THOSL, for instance, contains enigmatic but influential work. (TAFKAP lists it as his most influential album ever.) I personally love it, and would give it five stars any day. (Take that Rolling Stone!) But to take any of the albums separately is to miss the big picture, and personally the Joni forest is much lusher than any single tree therein. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:57:04 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Alley McBeal NJC Hello, For all of you who watch Alley McBeal, my sister-in-law Wendy was on as Ms. Camaro...and on the season finale she had the biggest part of her career. She was in The Tower of Terror but I don't think as many people saw that as the did the show last night. We were so proud of her getting picked on by Alley and taking it. She has done alot of comedy so it is great seeing her do something a little serious....LOL! She is extreamly funny and has a great sense of humor. I couldn't imagine her or Ms. Camaro having a baby though. The whole thing was just hysterical. She has a webpage if anyone is interested it is at SUDDENLY WENDY! -- http://home.earthlink.net/~werthy/ She has been in LA for 5 years and we have been happy of her success. Thanks for the plug. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:31:26 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: (no subject) wishing you could lay your head on my breast and i could comfort and adore you...you have been having a rough time...wish i knew exactly what was making you so sad sunday...i wish i could make the pain go away...i have been busy too...this week is crazy...i would ask you to call me wed (not sure what time he's leaving - i have to work until around 7 and i'll be home around 730 and i think he's leaving shortly after i get home...thurs i will be home alone with the kids and fri i have to chaperone a schoool dance i forgot all about and he's getting home well after midnight...sat i may have some time for a 2 hour cup of coffee...but i hesitate to ask you to call me on wed or thurs... you seem busy and preoccupied and i feel disconnected...i need you and i am afraid to make claims on your time...i feel somewhat insecure and don't be mad but no matter how many times you say it, i will always fear i will lose your love...it is my only universal fear, really...i fear the loss of my children's love or my parents' ... i am very sad now.. i don't even know how i can go on without a word from you today...i am falling apart...i keep wishing your name would pop here...i've checked my messages a dozen times today, even after gettng home...i did not save any old messages and now i wish i had because i miss your voice so much...i re-read two of your hand-written letters today, which i carry around in my bag, tucked into the envelope with the valentine's day card you never signed...i realized today that if you were taken from me, i would not have a picture of you and something must be done about this...even if your name did pop up on my computer you would not be able to talk to me...i hate how we are kept apart...you are busy...i miss you till i hurt...i love you always ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:33:37 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: My appologies to the list My sincere apologies to the list for a personal letter i sent out inadvertently to the list...i am so embarrassed, i could die Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1904 05:32:33 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Guitars (NJC) Hey Sue- I suggest you hit pawn shops in your area. I got a Guild D-25 which is a big box (big deep sound guitar) for $200. It is worth $1200. I see these type of deals often. I recommend you go try and play them and remember not to worry about the brand name as long as you like what YOU hear. I have heard some of the new Takamine guitars in the 400 range that sound really nice. Don't rush and keep looking. Peace Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:40:39 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ Update and Apologies Quote of the day: "Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans." it's often the case that a work schedule leaves one with very little free time. unfortunately this recently happened to me. shortly after announcing TapeTree #8, i found myself working 10+12 hour shifts 7 days a week. this past weekend was the first weekend i've had off since the end of april. i have a backlog of 32 unread JMDL Digests sitting here in a file as well as countless eMail messages that have gone unanswered. many of these regarding TapeTree #8 and its distribution. my apologies to all who've been waiting for information. Now for the good news. ALL Branch Tapes for TapeTree #8 (28-sets) *were* mailed yesterday (5-24-99) and should be arriving by the end of the week, including packages going to Canada, the U.K., the Netherlands and Australia. these were sent via Global-Priority Mail. all U.S. packages were sent via 1st class mail. LEAVES ... it's time to contact your Branches, if you haven't done so already. some will recall that TapeTree #8 consists of 3-cassettes or 2 DATs. Cassette Leaves, 2 C-100 Cassettes and 1 C-110 Cassette are needed. DAT Leaves, 1 60m DAT and 1 90m DAT are needed. i did receive one question i need to clear up. >____________________________________________________________________ >Question? this confuses me. > >You listed the same TapeTree material as fitting on >a 90m and 60m DAT = 150m > >and > >fitting on cassettes c100+c100+c110 = 310m > >twice as much cassette time, what gives? > >I do not know what length cassettes to tell the leaves to send me. >____________________________________________________________________ the Cassette info is correct. actually the DAT info is also (almost) correct as well but there *is* a difference. DAT tapes are referred to in 'lengths' not minutes. so a 90m DAT is 90-Meters and a 60m DAT tape is 60-Meters. a 60m (Meter) DAT tape is 2-hours (120 minutes) a 90m (Meter) DAT tape is 3-hours (180 minutes) i trust this question is cleared up. at a reminder i'll re-post my original TapeTree Announcement as well as the content lists shortly. one last point. once you receive your copies, i *strongly* suggest that you listen to the Kanata, Ontario Concert first. you'll know why once you do. i hope everyone enjoys this collection of music. there's miles of smiles and hours of joy to be found on the JMDL TapeTree #8. this IS a labor of love. spread the music ~ share the joy. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- PS: Branches ... i'll be in touch later tonight or sometime tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:04:32 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ Original Announcement > >From: simon@icu.com >Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ Announcement >Date: Thu. April 22, 1999 > >re: TapeTree #8 > >every now and again, if you're lucky, a concert experience overwhelms >and you find yourself deep within what i refer to as the 'Magic Moment' >... that rare concert where the music is right, the groove is tight, >and you *know* it's Perfect ... as it's happening. > >i've shared a number of these experiences with other audience members >over the years. > >one such 'Magic Moment' was last may 16th at the Gorge Amphitheatre >when Joni Mitchell gave one of the most amazing performances of her >lifetime. i say that having seen quite a few myself as far back as 1967, >as well as all seven 'road' shows last may. this concert was offered to >JMDL members as part of TapeTree #7 sourced from my own little DAT souvenir >from the 17th row center. > >another 'Magic Moment' Concert Experience occured last august on Yasgur's >Farm at a little concert event called 'A Day In The Garden'. this time >in the company of 40-50 other JMDL members down front, 10-15 ft. directly >in front of Joni herself. a unique shared experience was enjoyed by all >as we shared the community of each others' company in the musical presence >Joni Mitchell ... She who brings us all together in the first place. > >most of those at the concert (all i could identify) have been reliving >this experience thru another little DAT sourvenir. a rather excellent >audience recording if i say so myself. > >THIS 'recording' is not being TreeD. > >however, as the great philosopher Yoda once stated, "There Is Another". > > >a Stereo SOUNDBOARD Recording of this special event *is* offered >to JMDL members as 1-of-3 recordings on TapeTree #8. > >Be prepared ... you will be pleased. take my word for it! > >BTW: 'A Day In The Garden' is one of only two performances > of "No Apologies" and the only one we have on tape. > > > > >on Mon. March 29, Wally Breese wrote ... >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Subject: Kanata 'Concert' Photos & JONI LIVE 1998 >> >>Hi everyone, >> >>On Joni's tour last October and November, I arranged to have a >>reporter/photographer from the JM Internet Community at each show, and >>everyone did a wonderful job relating their experiences on the road >>with Joni. For the Kanata, Ontario show, Brett Code of the JMDL was my >>reporter, and his only disappointment was that his photographs did not >>come out. He has now very kindly searched down shots of that show from >>another source and I've put them up on the page that covers the Kanata >>show. On a related note, simon and I have been talking about the next >>TapeTree for the JMDL, and we're leaning towards including this show >>because Joni and the band's performance is amazing and it's one of the >>longer shows. Have a look at these brand new photos: >> >>http://www.jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainKanata1098.html >> >>Later, >>Wally Breese >>The Joni Mitchell Homepage >>http://www.JoniMitchell.com > > > >well as Wally says, we've been talking. > >Joni's Concert from the Corel Center in Kanata, Ontario is the 2nd >recording included on the JMDL TapeTree #8. one of the stronger >performances from the most recent Tour. an extremely interesting >show that also happens to be the longest show of the Tour (1hr 25min). > >finally. with a forthcoming (so-called) Tribute CD in the works, we >decided it was time to offer up the 1st Joni Mitchell Tribute CD, an >*out-of-print* Canadian CD released by the defunct Intrepid Records. > >'BACK TO THE GARDEN, A Tribute To Joni Mitchell', is a CD i've been >listening to quite a bit lately, even before i started dubbing >BranchLeader cassettes last weekend. there are some really interesting >interpretations and alternate arrangements of Joni's songs on this >release. it's got a lot going for it and is MuchFun. > >well folks, that's it for now. TapeTree #8 ~ offered to JMDL members >without greed or need for personal profits, out of Love *and respect* >for the Art, Artistry and Music of Joni Mitchell. > >full details and contents to follow. > >i DO hope you enjoy. > >Remember, spread the music ~ share the joy. > > >for now ~ take care, > >------- > simon >------- > > >NP: 'Traveling Miles' with Cassandra as guide. > enjoyable trip with the 'New Moon Daughter' > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:08:41 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ DAT (contents) > >From: simon@icu.com >Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ DAT >Date: Thu. April 22, 1999 > > >JMDL TapeTree #8 > >-------------- > Dat #1 ~ 90m >-------------- > >JONI MITCHELL >Corel Centre >Kanata, Ontario >Oct. 30, 1998 > > 1. Big Yellow Taxi > 2. Just Like This Train > 3. Night Ride Home > 4. The Crazy Cries Of Love > 5. Free Man In Paris > 6. Harry's House > 7. Black Crow > 8. Amelia > 9. Hejira > 10. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > 11. Face Lift > 12. Sex Kills > 13. The Magdalene Laundries > 14. Moon At The Window > 15. Trouble Man > 16. Comes Love > 17. Woodstock > > >JONI MITCHELL >A DAY IN THE GARDEN >Yasgur's Farm >Bethel, N.Y. >aug. 15, 1998 > > 1. Hejira > 2. Comes Love > 3. Facelift > 4. Summertime > 5. The Crazy Cries Of Love > 6. No Apologies > 7. Sex Kills > 8. The Magdalene Laundries > 9. Black Crow > 10. Moon At The Window > 11. Slouching Towards Bethlehem > 12. Just Like This Train > 13. Big Yellow Taxi > 14. Trouble Man > 15. Woodstock > > > >**BONUS TRACKS** > > BILLIE HOLIDAY > 16. Comes Love > > MILES DAVIS > 17. Summertime > > MARVIN GAYE > 18. Trouble Man > > BILLIE HOLIDAY > 19. Summertime > > WARDELL GRAY > 20. Twisted (Original 'Instrumental' Version) > > > >-------------- > Dat #2 ~ 60m >-------------- > >Back To The Garden >A TRIBUTE T0 JONI MITCHELL > >Intrepid Records (CD #N21-00016) © 1992 > > >BIG FAITH > 1. Free Man In Paris > >SARA CRAIG > 2. This Flight Tonight > >UNIVERSAL HONEY > 3. Carey > >LORRAINE SCOTT > 4. Big Yellow Taxi > >MOLLY JOHNSON > 5. Black Crow > >ANDY STOCHANSKY > 6. The Beat Of Black Wings > >MARTHA and THE MUFFINS > 7. Shades Of Scarlett Conquering > >FUNKY BUMMER (featuring Anne Beadle) > 8. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns > >HUGH MARSH, JONATHAN GOLDSMITH, ROB PILTCH & MARTIN TIELLI > 9. River > >KURT SWINGHAMMER > 10. You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio > >SPIRIT OF THE WEST > 11. Coyote > >W.O.W. > 12. Woodstock > >JENNY WHITELY > 13. Night In The City > >SLOAN > 14. A Case Of You > >SQUIDDLY (featuring Maria del Mar) > 15. Blonde In The Bleachers > >JOHN CODY & MARTI JONES > 16. Songs To Aging Children Come > >ROCKET SCIENCE (featuring Laura Hubert & Art Bergmann) > 17. Refuge Of The Road > > >**BONUS TRACKS** > > ANNIE LENNOX > 18. Ladies Of The Canyon > > CLAIRE MARTIN > 19. Be Cool > > PAT MARTINO > 20. Both Sides Now > > JOSHUA REDMAN > 21. Interlude / I Had A King > > PAT MARTINO > 22. Both Sides Now (w/Cassandra Wilson, vocal) > > DAVE DOUGLAS > 23. Roses Blue > 24. My Old Man > 25. The Same Situation > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:08:16 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ Cassette (contents) > >From: simon@icu.com >Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ Cassette >Date: Thu. April 22, 1999 > > >JMDL TapeTree #8 > >-------------------- > Cassette #1 ~ C100 >-------------------- > >JONI MITCHELL >A DAY IN THE GARDEN (Stereo SOUNDBOARD Recording) >Yasgur's Farm >Bethel, N.Y. >aug. 15, 1998 > > 1. Hejira > 2. Comes Love > 3. Facelift > 4. Summertime > 5. The Crazy Cries Of Love > 6. No Apologies > 7. Sex Kills > 8. The Magdalene Laundries > 9. Black Crow > 10. Moon At The Window > ------------------ > 11. Slouching Towards Bethlehem > 12. Just Like This Train > 13. Big Yellow Taxi > 14. Trouble Man > 15. Woodstock > > >**BONUS TRACKS** > > BILLIE HOLIDAY > 16. Comes Love > > MILES DAVIS > 17. Summertime > > MARVIN GAYE > 18. Trouble Man > > BILLIE HOLIDAY > 19. Summertime > > WARDELL GRAY > 20. Twisted (Original 'Instrumental' Version) > > > >-------------------- > Cassette #2 ~ C100 >-------------------- > >JONI MITCHELL >Corel Centre >Kanata, Ontario >Oct. 30, 1998 > > 1. Big Yellow Taxi > 2. Just Like This Train > 3. Night Ride Home > 4. The Crazy Cries Of Love > 5. Free Man In Paris > 6. Harry's House > 7. Black Crow > 8. Amelia > 9. Hejira > 10. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > ---------------------------- > 11. Face Lift > 12. Sex Kills > 13. The Magdalene Laundries > 14. Moon At The Window > 15. Trouble Man > 16. Comes Love > 17. Woodstock > > > >-------------------- > Cassette #3 ~ C110 >-------------------- > >'BACK TO THE GARDEN' > A TRIBUTE T0 JONI MITCHELL > > Intrepid Records (CD #N21-00016) > > >BIG FAITH > 1. Free Man In Paris > >SARA CRAIG > 2. This Flight Tonight > >UNIVERSAL HONEY > 3. Carey > >LORRAINE SCOTT > 4. Big Yellow Taxi > >MOLLY JOHNSON > 5. Black Crow > >ANDY STOCHANSKY > 6. The Beat Of Black Wings > >MARTHA and THE MUFFINS > 7. Shades Of Scarlett Conquering > >FUNKY BUMMER (featuring Anne Beadle) > 8. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns > >HUGH MARSH, JONATHAN GOLDSMITH, ROB PILTCH & MARTIN TIELLI > 9. River > >KURT SWINGHAMMER > 10. You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio > >SPIRIT OF THE WEST > 11. Coyote > >W.O.W. > 12. Woodstock > >JENNY WHITELY > 13. Night In The City > >SLOAN > 14. A Case Of You > >SQUIDDLY (featuring Maria del Mar) > 15. Blonde In The Bleachers > >JOHN CODY & MARTI JONES > 16. Songs To Aging Children Come > >ROCKET SCIENCE (featuring Laura Hubert & Art Bergmann) > 17. Refuge Of The Road > > >**BONUS TRACKS** > > ANNIE LENNOX > 18. Ladies Of The Canyon > > CLAIRE MARTIN > 19. Be Cool > > PAT MARTINO > 20. Both Sides Now > > JOSHUA REDMAN > 21. Interlude / I Had A King > > PAT MARTINO > 22. Both Sides Now (w/Cassandra Wilson, vocal) > > DAVE DOUGLAS > 23. Roses Blue > 24. My Old Man > 25. The Same Situation > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:15:56 PDT From: "Jerome Gonzales" Subject: Latest TapeTree Les or anyone... What's the status of #8? I saw the posting of the names on http://www.jmdl.com but haven't heard anything. Just wondering. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1904 06:15:23 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Marian's Trip (njc) Marian- Your trip sounds like it was totally fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing it with us. It's stories like this one that makes me wish I was free to travel around making music and friends all around the world. I am realy interested in hearing the possibilities of a International JoniFest in Europe. I am struggling with where to go with the Fa this summer probably in July for us now cause Colorado is cancelled. We are doing some research on the net and talking to friends to try and get ideas. We love travelling in a mobile home but I was thinking of a maybe a long train trip for Julian's benefit seeing who he is that totally in love with choo-choos stage. Thanks again for the stories about your trip. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:28:23 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Paprika Plains live? NJC Not that I know of. I once heard Marian play "Overture/Cotton Ave" though. It was so cool-- it was eerie! She was beyond 'accurate'; she actually reproduced the sound on the record. Penny asked: "has Joni ever done Paprika Plains live? " - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:42:52 EDT From: DavinaGr@aol.com Subject: Tape Tree Question (NJC?) I sort of walked in late on the new Tape Tree. Would one of the kind branches be willing to adopt a new leaf? I would be forever grateful! Davina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:45:29 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: TapeTree #8 ~ Update and Apologies At 06:40 PM 5/25/99 , simon wrote: >it's often the case that a work schedule leaves one with very little >free time. unfortunately this recently happened to me. shortly after >announcing TapeTree #8, i found myself working 10+12 hour shifts 7 days >a week. this past weekend was the first weekend i've had off since the >end of april. >this IS a labor of love. I for one want to publicly thank simon for his labor of love! All of us who participate in these trees are forever indebted to him for spreading the music in such a generous way. I probably don't know half of how much time and energy he puts into it - but I know it's a heck of a lot of work. Thanks simon! Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:15:06 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Man from Mars NJC In a message dated 5/24/1999 10:57:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RMuRocks@AOL.com writes: << << I might rent the movie to hear the Man from Mars version but then again maybe I will wait for it to come out on one of the tape trees! >> It's already on them Catgirl! Can't remember which one off the top of my pointed head. Bob NP: The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay >> Cool, well I guess that answers my question. Thanks for the help Bob! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:25:17 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: r&r will never die (njc) a friend forwarded this and it definitely belongs on this music loving list "Now I don't want to get off on a rant here, but rock & roll will never die. At least that's what I read on the side of the Fuji blimp that was dropping Snapple coupons into the Blockbuster pavilion at the Zima-sponsored Backstreet Boys concert I attended last year." - Dennis Miller ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:34:23 EDT From: DavinaGr@aol.com Subject: A branch adopted this leaf! (NJC) Jerry offered to include me as one of his leaves...thanks to all who volunteered! Best Regards, Davina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:56:29 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: More ideas from Party Central (NJC) A couple of ideas have recently sprung up, along with all the gorgeous flowers that are appearing each day this spring..... 1) For those that can not make the Jonifest.....why not be here "in person" anyway? Make a short video tape (VHS {US} version-only, please!) for us to play at the Fest! Say "hi," sing something, say how much you'lll miss being at the party- whatever moves you! Please have the tape to me by August 1st at the latest, so I can dub them all together, and have a "video show" of all the JMDLers we're missing. 2) From Evian: "Well, to make the raffles zany and "everything goes", how about telling people to feel free to send in a cd or tape that they really hate and are dying to get out of their collection? One person's crap is another person's goldmine, or whatever the hell the saying is!" So......if anyone wants to join in this fun adventure as well, the door is open! 3) The deadline for the "essay" of "Why I am SO sad I will not be able to come to Jonifest '99." from the non-attending JMDLers, is AUGUST 15th. As always, please send your Wally donations, (payable to Wally Breese) your raffle items, your YUCKY CD's and tapes, your essays, and anything else you would like to send me ;-) to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 Attendees: PLEASE remember to send in: 1) Your donation for Wally. (This is your admission ticket.) 2) Your questionnaire 3) A small picture. (no bigger than 4x6) Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:39:19 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: r&r will never die (njc)but it was coughing up blood this morning... patrick leader wrote: > a friend forwarded this and it definitely belongs on this music loving list > > "Now I don't want to get off on a rant here, but rock & roll will > never die. At least that's what I read on the side of the Fuji blimp > that was dropping Snapple coupons into the Blockbuster pavilion at > the Zima-sponsored Backstreet Boys concert I attended last year." > > - Dennis Miller Was that before or after he started doing all those AT&T commercials? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #230 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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