From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #228 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 25 1999 Volume 04 : Number 228 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Stephen Stills Martin ["P. Henry" ] Re: joni's face lift ["Helen M. Adcock" ] NJC: guitar talk [KCooper984@aol.com] RE: Joni in Mojo [Louis Lynch ] Lift (just one more!) [Mary Pitassi ] Re: NJC: guitar talk [Randy Remote ] Re: NJC: guitar talk [Scott Price ] (SJC) Me [Lori ] Re: Joni in Mojo NJC [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: la times, awards and a new album [Strummed@aol.com] (NJC) Back Again ... [Don Rowe ] RE: Re: NJC(P.Garbriel A.Sexton connection) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Re mere technicalities [Gertus@aol.com] Paprika Plains "live" [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] Re: Paprika Plains "live" [Don Rowe ] Re: Paprika Plains "live" [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] Re: Paprika Plains "live" and Elton John [Phyliss Ward ] The World Travelling Joni Cookbook [michael paz ] RE: The World Travelling Joni Cookbook ["Wally Kairuz" ] joni tribute in central park ticket research (jc) [patrick leader ] Fwd: Man from Mars and GOMH [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: (SJC) Me [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Man from Mars NJC [Ginamu@aol.com] VH1's upcoming special [Wally Breese ] joni guitar ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: Man from Mars [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: The World Travelling Joni Cookbook [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Man from Mars [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Paprika Plains "live" [RMuRocks@aol.com] Jazz Takes On JM ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: joni guitar [Janet Hess ] Bob Dylan Festival Report #2 - NJC (long) [Marian Russell Subject: Re: The Stephen Stills Martin mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << Did anyone else happen to catch Nightline last night? >> (referring to an all martin guitar show they did with special focus on stephen stills and his special martin guitar made to his specs) then terry wrote: >I would have LOVED to have seen that show. Do you know if it'll be repeated? Terry, proud owner of a 1970 D-28> terry, me too! they also have a special eric clapton model! btw, I also had a D28 circa 1961 (? I think) which I bought from detroit folksinger bill ruteledge for $200.00. the D28 was also Joni's guitar of choice after 1966 that I know of and I'm fairly sure she never 'changed horses' until HOSL or thereabouts. pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:58:02 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: joni's face lift I've been thinking about this for the last couple of days, and while I have no objections to anyone changing their appearance by surgery, or any other means - I mean, you could class dieting in the same category (although it would be a very broad category!) - I don't think Joni will ever NEED a face-lift. She's just one of those incredible looking people, with a bone-structure to die for! She's always been beautiful, and I think she always will be. It's no small coincidence (IMO) that Kilauren turned out to be a model - she got her looks from her mother! Helen NP - Nothing, I'm watching/listening to New Zealand play some very bad World Cup cricket (but we did beat Aussie - ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:05:16 EDT From: KCooper984@aol.com Subject: NJC: guitar talk Hi! I was wondering if anyone knew specifically what acoustic guitars Joni has played in the past. I'm wanting to buy a guitar that has the deep, beautiful sounds like her old acoustic days. I also like the same guitar sound as James Taylor's guitar. All you guitar experts! What would be a reasonably priced guitar for the same type of sound? I'm talking about budget guitar with rich sounds. Any ideas? Thanks! Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 06:10:08 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Joni in Mojo I can't believe that Mojo would list John Lennon and Bob Dylan in the top ten greatest singers of all time? Bob Dylan, a great singer??? A decent story teller perhaps, but a great singer??? Have these people never HEARD Joni Mitchell sing? What about Art Garfunkel, Burton Cummings, Sting, Judy Collins, Streisand. For crying out loud, even Madonna and Michael Jackson can outsing most of the people on the top ten list! Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:45:42 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Lift (just one more!) It sounds like we've pretty much decided that the ASCAP photo was airbrushed, but, for what it's worth, my opinion (as one of the very fortunate Detroit JMDLers who had a chance to meet and talk to Joni in several different settings and lightings) is that she hasn't had a face lift. Especially in the full light of the late October morning on the day after the concert, when I spoke to her briefly just before she left the city, she appeared to be a beautiful, 55-year-old woman whose strong character came through clearly in her appearance and bearing, and who could even be described as an autumnal force of nature! It did *not* appear to me, however, that she had elected to have surgery. Mary P. P.S. Lori Fye, it's great to see your name on my screen again! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:55:50 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC: guitar talk Martin guitars. Which are not cheap. Most steel string guitars are copies of the Martin design which pioneered the X-bracing system. Takamine, in particular, began as a direct copy of the Martin. Maybe you can find an older one, as their designs have changed over the years. The problem with less expensive guitars is that they are made of laminates (plywood) on the back, sides and top, and that will sound different than a solid wood guitar. Also, the way the axe is set up (distance of strings from fretboard, string size, integrity of the neck, etc) will affect the sound (and playability). And whoever picks that guitar up will make it sound different too. I'm sure if James Taylor picked up a $100 guitar, he would still sound like James Taylor. RR KCooper984@aol.com wrote: > Hi! > > I was wondering if anyone knew specifically what acoustic guitars Joni has > played in the past. I'm wanting to buy a guitar that has the deep, beautiful > sounds like her old acoustic days. I also like the same guitar sound as James > Taylor's guitar. All you guitar experts! What would be a reasonably priced > guitar for the same type of sound? I'm talking about budget guitar with rich > sounds. Any ideas? Thanks! > > Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:14:10 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: NJC: guitar talk At 09:55 AM 5/24/99 -0700, Randy Remote wrote: >I'm sure if James Taylor picked up a $100 guitar, he would still >sound like James Taylor. James likes the handcrafted guitars made by James Olson in Minnesota. Only about 60 instruments are made in a given year and they are also favored by Leo Kottke, Phil Keaggy, Sting, and Jonatha Brooke to name a few. For more info check out Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:22:50 -0500 From: Lori Subject: (SJC) Me Hi, again. I had a few nice welcomes to the list, so I thought I'd introduce myself (hoping that is your custom here). I've been a Joni fan since high school, which computes to nearly 25 years (yikes!). I play a little guitar and like to sing, and Joni's older songs have always been my favorites. I even made my classically trained voice teacher work with me on _California_ years back. She'd never heard of it. I've seen Joni in concert a few times. I remember sitting in one of the worst rainstorms ever (we had lawn seats) in Alpine Valley, Wisc. many years ago while she played. People had expected the weather and sat on plastic garbage bags, which ended up carrying some of them down the hill like toboggans. The wind got so bad it was blowing the rain all the way under the pavilion and they had to cut the show short. Most recently I saw her with Bob Dylan at the United Center in Chgo. Imagine my surprise when I found out Dylan -- not Joni --was the main act! Anyway, the United Center is a much better place to see Michael Jordan play basketball than it is to listen to fine music. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:44:10 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Mojo NJC Harper Lou exclaims incredulously: << Bob Dylan, a great singer??? A decent story teller perhaps, but a great singer??? Have these people never HEARD Joni Mitchell sing? What about Art Garfunkel, Burton Cummings, Sting, Judy Collins, Streisand. For crying out loud, even Madonna and Michael Jackson can outsing most of the people on the top ten list! >> I don't disagree with you - these "fan" votes always have some interesting results. At least my favorite, Sam Cooke, finished 17th. I'm not sure anyway what the criteria were... Barbra Streisand #51 Art Garfunkel #65 Michael Jackson honorable mention The others not mentioned... Bob NP: Harry Nillsson, "Wastin' My Time" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:00:10 EDT From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: la times, awards and a new album no but my freinds play in a band called "HELLNINO", does that help? Chri$ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: (NJC) Back Again ... I'm back to the real world. Of course in my absence, the MIS gods decided to switch me to a new PC, so I'm just getting into the swing after figuring out how to turn off that annoying paperclip "helper" in Word97, make Intenet Explorer go away and install NetScape ... you know the drill. So it seems peaceful enough -- that's good to see. Instead of asking the obvious questions on "Star Wars", which I'm sure has been extensively discussed ... did anyone happen to see "A Midsummer Night's Dream" yet? I was very pleasantly surprised -- not only by Callista Flockhart's excellent performance, but by the inclusion of the oft-ommitted Pyrymus/Thysby (sp??) at the end. Needless to say, much fine wine and joni was consumed during my all-too-brief vacation ... but it's good to be back. Oh well, back to installing more programs. Don Rowe _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:37:42 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: NJC(P.Garbriel A.Sexton connection) Gina wrote: <<>> It might be Pere Ubu, the seminal (and strange) Cleveland post-punk band. - --Michael NP: Ella Fitzgerald, _Ella at Duke's Place_ - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:09:48 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re mere technicalities Paul wrote:- < Now I've never ever thought of myself as obsessed by Joni Mitchell. I am, however, obsessed by music - and Joni just happens to have been my favourite musician since 1968. I clearly remember hearing her name for the first time - I was playing guitar in a small coffee bar in Oxford (England) one night and a young guy with electrified 'Jimi Hendrix style' hair, is sitting in the corner holding a guitar case. I ask him if he'd like to play and he timidly says yes and, to a completely silenced bar, he plays a song called 'Marcie'. The very next day I am sitting in the listening booth of my local record shop hearing 'Song to a Seagull' for the first time, feeling so so excited that I had had the good fortune to discover someone who I just instinctively knew was going to be really really significant.> Thanks for sharing this with us, Paul. I was in Oxford on Saturday for only the second time in my life and can easily visualise the scene. You didn't come across Nick Drake at the same time did you? Your description of your first experience of the internet and finding Wally's site also matches mine exactly, although I've been here for about 2 years now. When you first get hooked up, what else would you dream of typing in but "Joni Mitchell" and what an incredible treat is in store! The only trouble is that I spend so much time on these 2 sites (Wally and Les's) that I hardly ever visit any others - I don't suppose any others could compare anyway! I would never describe myself as an obsessive sort of person, but since joining this list my family are convinced that I'm unhealthily Joni obsessed and worry about me quite a bit! I've also wondered about the best way to send a donation to Ashara for Wally. I've certainly sent cash quite a few times before without any problems but it is a bit risky. I have to admit I've never heard of Western Union in the UK but if it's possible it sounds like a good method. Has anyone tried it here? Regards Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:42:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Paprika Plains "live" Hi Gang! A combination of things, the Paprika Plains reference in the ASCAP essay, the possibility of Joni touring with a big band after the standards album, and simply because DJRD has been in the CD player constantly for the last two months, has brought me to ask a question. Please forgive my ignorance, as I don't have the tape tree stuff, but has Joni ever done Paprika Plains live? The thought of seeing and hearing her do PP with an orchestra behind her, would be "the cherry on top" for all the joy she's brought into this kid's life. And to add my two cents over the leanings of FTR vs Hejira as the fav many seem to have, although each of those two albums contain some of my most cherished Joni songs both lyrically and musically, I'd still give DJRD the nod over those two, as a whole work, for my listening pleasure. Each time I hear it, I marvel it's over 20 years old now and gain even more admiration for Joan consistently being light years beyond everyone else artistically, imho. Even beyond Siquomb scope, she is fabulous, isn't she? Smiles, Penny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:13:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Paprika Plains "live" Penny asks ... > Please forgive my ignorance, as I don't have the > tape tree stuff, but > has Joni ever done Paprika Plains live? This is an excellent question, and one for which I don't have an answer. I agree that it would be great to hear it live, but Joni gave up piano playing quite a while back -- in some interview or another, when asked why she doesn't play material from FTR she gasps, "It's all piano!" -- as if to suggest that she's 'forgotten' how to play the instrument. That being said, there's quite a movement out there for bands to play with orchestras, it's not just the Moody Blues anymore. Even Metallica has now played with a symphony -- so why not Joni. As for the "cherry" number, how about a 35-minute medley -- start with "Down to You" then segue right into an extended "Paprika Plains" -- wouldn't that be something. And if we need a piano player, let's get Elton John -- he's always had a thing for blondes ... ;-) Don Rowe _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Re: Paprika Plains "live" Don Rowe writes: I agree that it would be great to hear it live, but Joni gave up piano playing quite a while back -- in some interview or another, when asked why she doesn't play material from FTR she gasps, "It's all piano!" -- as if to suggest that she's 'forgotten' how to play the instrument. As for the "cherry" number, how about a 35-minute medley -- start with "Down to You" then segue right into an extended "Paprika Plains" -- wouldn't that be something. And if we need a piano player, let's get Elton John -- he's always had a thing for blondes.... I don't see this as a problem for her to get worked out, maybe not Elton John, but someone playing piano for her would be an excellent opportunity for her to take a mid-set cigarette break. Geez, or maybe that should be wheez, if she got Joe Sample, she could do an extended version of Harry's House/Centerpiece too, and could inhale whole pack during her show! ;-) Penny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:44:03 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Paprika Plains "live" and Elton John Great idea Don! And speaking of Elton John...I just saw him Friday night on his "Elton John Solo" Tour. I'm not a huge fan but he was absolutely incredible!! One of the best concerts from my early days was him in the '70's and this one was even better. And man can he play piano. If only he didn't overproduce his albums. He's so fantastic alone. The high point had to be "Take Me To The Pilot" with a long teasing intro and an really rocking take. The audience here was wonderful and he came back for a second encore - playing for 2 hours and 45 minutes total and signing autographs for folks in front of the stage. We had great seats right behind him and he was always turning around and saying hi to us- very gracious. If you haven't ever heard his CD "11-17-70" recorded live on that date, check it out and you'll get an idea. But he has improved so much since then. Ok, enough of that plug. Don Rowe wrote: > As for the "cherry" number, how about a 35-minute > medley -- start with "Down to You" then segue right > into an extended "Paprika Plains" -- wouldn't that be > something. And if we need a piano player, let's get > Elton John -- he's always had a thing for blondes ... > ;-) - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:06:49 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #20 Hi there, This year brings one great release after the other! How about an album produced by Jeff Pevar, songs co-written by Graham Nash, Joe Vitale + Anastasia & John, and backing musicians like Jimmy Messina, Kenny Loggins, David Crosby, Jeff Pevar, James Raymond and Anastasia & John Gonzales! That album is : Doug Ingoldsby - Can't Do This Alone ( Cathedral Peak ) Douglas Ingoldsby was borned in Pasadena, California in 1949. In the late sixties Doug became good friends with singer and songwriter Kenny Loggins. While in college Doug and Kenny performed under the name "Ingoldsby and I". In the early seventies Doug set his music aside to study and teach Transcendental Meditation. In the late eighties Doug began playing and singing music again. In 1991, while in India, he wrote "I'll Be There For You" ( a song he later finished with the help of Graham Nash ). In 1995, under the tutelage of Kenny Loggins' old friend and partner Jimmy Messina, Doug began writing, singing and performing his own music. Which leads us right up to the release of Doug's debut album "Can't Do This Alone". A beautifully crafted album in the same vein as Loggins & Messina, America or Dan Fogelberg. With so much great songs and so many good friends you just can't go wrong! For copies of the album, please email Doug at : allone@west.net or wait just a week or two until Doug has his own website up and running at : http://www.Kdoug.com A simply stunning debut album! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1904 06:38:33 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: The World Travelling Joni Cookbook Hello Joni Lovers- It is my pleasure to tell you that the famous world travelling Joni Cookbook made it's way to New Orleans this weekend and in it's beautiful wrappings and gold ribbons, is now on its way to Joni. I think Marian did a beautiful, heartfelt job on this project and would like to be the first to stand up and give her a resounding ovation O->-< and I think we need to get to work on the sale copies for list members as a fundraiser to support the list/web page funds. My wife has offered to be involved with the production (seeing how she does print production for a living) I have personally heard alot of interest from listers who are interested in having their own copy of this project. Well it's back to work for me. Later! Michael NP-The Humming Of Office Computers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:37:23 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Re mere technicalities In a message dated 5/24/99 3:40:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gertus@aol.com writes: > I have to admit I've never heard of Western Union in the UK but if it's > possible it sounds like a good method. Has anyone tried it here? > Regards > Jacky I just purchased an American Express gift check to send as a wedding gift to my cousin in Lisbon. It cost six dollars and change and it is very much like using a traveler's check. If Ashara feels that Western Union is the route to go, then what works best for her as the recipient of the donations for Wally should certainly be what people go with but I thought I would mention this option as well. I hope that's okay with you, Ashara. Take care, Gina NP: NPR - a mere drone now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:53:49 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Man from Mars The video "Grace of My Heart" was mentioned here last week, and good little JMDL boy that I am, I rented it in the new movie section of my local video store. Yes, indeed, Shawn Colvin (spelling?) does sing "Man from Mars" in the movie, Joni gets credit for special thanks in the credits, and Larry Klein was a musician and wrote at least one other song in the movie (the credits were small and it was late so I couldn't read the credits all that well...). GOMY starts out as a kind of Carol King story, a gutsy woman who wants to write and sing, working at the end of the Tin Pan Alley Days, and the first half of the movie is quite fine. Then half-way through GOMY takes a lurch to do a kind of a Brian Wilson thing, and that was a real drag. Matte Dillon played the semi-Brain Wilson role, and his character was a real jerk... a real jerk... but the script was so poorly written there I kept looking at him and thinking, how does he still look so young? When I got my mind back on the movie, that Matt Dillon character was such a jerk that I kept waiting for our heroine to leave him... and the movie ended up being (poorly written) about this woman and her dependent troubles with men who were far beneath as as human beings instead of focusing on the gutsy singer-songwriter that the first half of the movie made me like so much. The end is pure schmaltz: kind of a Didi Cohn "Light Up My Life song sung about the now deceased Matt Dillon jerk character, when a little Carol King-like "It's Too Late" or even better Linda Rondstadt "You're No Good" would have been far better. Anyway, in GOMY, just after the Matt Dillon character commits suicide in a pure rip-off of the suicide scene in Robert Altman's "The Long Goodbye" (circa 1974), the movie goes to a commune, and there is Shaun Colvin sitting on a stump as a hippie singing "Man from Mars." There was much to like about the movie if only they had stayed on focus. But Larry Klein's one song that I know of was great, and of course, hearing Joni sung by Shaun Colvin is a treat, and it is worth a couple of bucks for the rental if you are not expecting the movie to be as great in the second half as the first half. My partner's daughter tells me that Shaun Colvin is Colvin's favorite and Colvin sees Joni as her ultimate inspiration. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:53:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: The World Travelling Joni Cookbook Oh I do want to buy a copy of the Joni Cookbook! I didn't know it was already available. What do I have to do? WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:06:34 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Man from Mars and GOMH In a message dated 5/24/99 5:49:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: > Yes, indeed, Shawn Colvin (spelling?) does sing "Man from Mars" in the > movie, I haven't seen the movie Grace Of My Heart but in looking over the songs on the soundtrack cd at CDNOW, it lists Kristen Vigard as the singer of Man From Mars and Shawn Colvin as the singer of a song called Between Two Worlds. ???? Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:10:47 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: back from vacation, and rent (njc) hi folks, i'm back, tired and elated as hell. i didn't make any effort to meet jmdlers in the san fran bay area, my family kept me quite busy. one report: yesterday we attended a matinee of 'rent' in san francisco, starring trey (of the jmdl) among others. a super performance, that has gone very far to sell me on this show i've struggled with. i've bought the soundtrack, and my first impression is that the cast i heard yesterday is stronger, vocally. also, i really noticed the physical direction of the show yesterday, it's very well done, very original, and trey in particular caught the physical part of the show. great voice too. lots of really great voices in yesterday's performance. we got to say hi briefly, after the show. trey had to sign a few autographs for young fans, first. btw, the theater has a lottery of $20 dollar seats, the first two rows, for every show at 2 hours before curtain. we tried twice last week, and on sunday we had 3 second row center seats. a great way to spend a sunday if you live in the area. patrick np - rent - tango: maureen, one of treycosy's best moments, yesterday. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:34:52 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: joni tribute in central park ticket research (jc) hey folks, jerry asked for news on this before i went on vacation and i just had no time. i've done a lot of research though. you can buy guaranteed $30 places in the bleachers, now, either from ticketbastard or at the hammerstein ballroom box office in ny. here's the catch: in rumsey playfield, the bleachers are the farthest seats from the stage. and when they do a free concert, people often stand behind the sea of folding chairs and block the view of the people in the lowest couple of bleachers. for a pay concert, the monitors may be more strict with standers, but i'm not counting on it. other than those seats, admission is a minimum of $10, first come first served. i can't believe that one would have to show up more than 2 hours before curtain to get good seats (maybe 3, which would be fun with a friendly group). that's my plan, right now. a quick check shows nothing new on the site. here's a phone number (212) 360-CPSS (2777) and the link, if you haven't seen it http://www.summerstage.com/events.html patrick np - rent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:28:11 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Re mere technicalities In a message dated 5/24/99 5:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << I just purchased an American Express gift check to send as a wedding gift to my cousin in Lisbon. It cost six dollars and change and it is very much like using a traveler's check. >> Gina, what a great idea! I've never heard of this, but if it can just be made out to Wally, and he can just change it into US dollars, that would be GREAT!!! Thanks for thinking of this. Now the non-USers have many options. This truly is a community banding together. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:05:42 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Man from Mars I have asked Gina to kindly forward to the JMDL the response that I had to her correction of my astounding musical error and that leads me to wonder if I also hold the world record for forgetting to type joni@smoe.org into my addresses on these things, and with all these mistakes piling up, I am going to hide in shame. Gina, please forward to the JMDL my post on my acknowledgment of your correctness and my error and let me slink away into the night... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:02:38 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Man from Mars and GOMH - --part1_d64488b8.247b5ebe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_d64488b8.247b5ebe_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (rly-yg03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.3]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v59.24) with SMTP; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:49:23 -0400 Received: from tobago.pathwaynet.com (tobago.pathwaynet.com [216.46.203.46]) by rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA23547 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [216.46.194.173] (helo=pathwaynet.com) by tobago.pathwaynet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #1) id 10m5P6-0004xk-00 for Ginamu@aol.com; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:49:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3749F520.2758DEC0@pathwaynet.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:56:03 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Organization: American Apostolic Catholic Church X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Man from Mars and GOMH References: <914b4811.247b276a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gina may well be right and I'd be embarrassed if I hadn't been been so hung over from the dissappointing end of the movie. Wouldn't be the first time that I was ever wrong, but the Man from Mars and Between Two Worlds songs were rather close together in the movie and maybe, maybe, probably I screwed up... Thanks, Gina for the correction. (the Rev) Vince Ginamu@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/24/99 5:49:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: > > > Yes, indeed, Shawn Colvin (spelling?) does sing "Man from Mars" in the > > movie, > > I haven't seen the movie Grace Of My Heart but in looking over the songs on > the soundtrack cd at CDNOW, it lists Kristen Vigard as the singer of Man From > Mars and Shawn Colvin as the singer of a song called Between Two Worlds. ???? > > Take care, > Gina - --part1_d64488b8.247b5ebe_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:08:08 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: (SJC) Me Welcome to the list Lori! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:15:03 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Man from Mars NJC In a message dated 5/24/99 10:04:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: > I have asked Gina to kindly forward to the JMDL the response that I had > to her correction of my astounding musical error and that leads me to > wonder if I also hold the world record for forgetting to type > joni@smoe.org into my addresses on these things, and with all these > mistakes piling up, I am going to hide in shame. Gina, please forward > to the JMDL my post on my acknowledgment of your correctness and my > error and let me slink away into the night... > Gee wiz, Vince...if you promise not to laugh at me the next time I send out a bibble headed post (and no I am not blonde), I and the rest of the list are willing to forgive you for this one! So...slink back on over here when you've recovered from your GOMH hangover, will ya?? Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 99 19:27:44 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: VH1's upcoming special Hi everyone, Billboard reports: "In celebration of women's contributions to popular music, VH1 will present "The 100 Greatest Women Of Rock'N'Roll" July 26th-August 1st. The special is a countdown based on results of a survey conducted by VH1. According to the network, those who voted were female entertainers, writers, photographers, industry executives, and politicians." VH1 has announced the names (in alphabetical order only) of the Top 20 women in the countdown, and they are Patsy Cline, Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha Franklin, Debbie Harry, Billie Holiday, Chrissie Hynde, Etta James, Janis Joplin, Chaka Khan, Carole King, Gladys Knight, Annie Lennox, Madonna, Joni Mitchell, Stevie Nicks, Bonnie Raitt, Grace Slick, Patti Smith, The Supremes, and Tina Turner. This gets interesting because inside sources have let leak the fact that Janis Joplin and Aretha Franklin are in the Top 3! This probably means that the #1 woman is the name they didn't leak. As for Joni's placing, my bet is that she'll make the Top 10, ranking perhaps as high as #5. Remember that VH1 did a similar show to this one last year called "The 100 Greatest Artists Of Rock'N'Roll," where Joni placed as the fourth highest ranked female act (I'm counting Fleetwood Mac as female because Stevie Nicks is on the new list, and will most likely place higher than Joni in the Top 100). Among those who will be hosting the programs are TV actresses Julianna Margulies of NBC's top-rated show "ER" and Courteney Cox of "Friends," and film actress Susan Sarandon. More info on this VH1 countdown show soon... Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:26:35 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: joni guitar Hello all, Thought I'd share a little something with you. I was walking thru a local music store when I saw a steel string yamaha guitar hanging on the wall of the store...with joni's autograph on it! I spoke to the manager who explained that when joni came out to Australia in the eighties she busted some guitar and wanted a spare one, so one of her guys rang this music store and asked whether joni could borrow a guitar for her concert...the manager obliged and in return got back the guitar that she played..signed by her (with a black marker...in that lovely loose flowing scrawl of hers) I asked the guy whether he'd ever sell it...he said "for the right price"...so i'm wondering whether u listers could tell me just how rare it would be to have a joni-played joni-signed guitar?? are there heaps of them floating around? what kind of offer would you make for one? (feel free to give me US dollar figures...i can convert them to aussie) Just something I have been wondering about....hmmmm :-) - Ange ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:35:21 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Man from Mars In a message dated 5/24/1999 5:49:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << Anyway, in GOMY, just after the Matt Dillon character commits suicide in a pure rip-off of the suicide scene in Robert Altman's "The Long Goodbye" (circa 1974), the movie goes to a commune, and there is Shaun Colvin sitting on a stump as a hippie singing "Man from Mars." >> Well Father, That certainly was a great a overview of the movie. I might rent the movie to hear the Man from Mars version but then again maybe I will wait for it to come out on one of the tape trees! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:36:19 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: The World Travelling Joni Cookbook In a message dated 5/24/1999 5:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << Oh I do want to buy a copy of the Joni Cookbook! I didn't know it was already available. What do I have to do? WallyK >> I wanna buy one too. I wish I got my recipie in on time...RATZ! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:52:48 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Man from Mars In a message dated 5/24/99 9:41:01 PM Central Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << I might rent the movie to hear the Man from Mars version but then again maybe I will wait for it to come out on one of the tape trees! >> It's already on them Catgirl! Can't remember which one off the top of my pointed head. Bob NP: The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:59:17 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Paprika Plains "live" In a message dated 5/24/99 2:45:07 PM Central Daylight Time, Zapuppy@webtv.net writes: << And to add my two cents over the leanings of FTR vs Hejira as the fav many seem to have, although each of those two albums contain some of my most cherished Joni songs both lyrically and musically, I'd still give DJRD the nod over those two, as a whole work, for my listening pleasure. >> And having listened to those & HOSL over the last couple months, I would have to add that HOSL is the most complex. Ironically HOSL doesn't top many lists here in the fave dept. but the discussions it yields always seem to be the best (I'm thinking of "Sweet Bird" & "Jungle Line" discussions). In the meantime, I hear "Boho Dance" & "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" & have a really tough time getting a bead on what they're about. Bob, heading for Philly again in the AM... NP: Sweet Sucker Dance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:08:25 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Jazz Takes On JM I've just seen at the "After Hours" web site that Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell is listed in this months top 5 albums. The web page is here http://opera.cbc.ca/afterhours/top5.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:20:21 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: joni guitar Ange, Those are a dime a dozen. Explain that to the guy for me, OK? Oh...and would you let me know how to get in touch with him directly? :) Cheerz, Janet At 12:26 PM 5/25/1999 +1000, Takats, Angela wrote: ...so i'm wondering whether u listers could tell me just how rare it >would be to have a joni-played joni-signed guitar?? are there heaps of them >floating around? what kind of offer would you make for one? (feel free to >give me US dollar figures...i can convert them to aussie) > >Just something I have been wondering about....hmmmm :-) > - Ange > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:38:41 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Bob Dylan Festival Report #2 - NJC (long) After lunch, some vendors set up their tables with wares which included more bootleg CDs than I've ever seen in my entire life, videos and various publications. I was amazed to learn that there are more than a thousand bootleg CDs of Dylan's concerts. Even though the prices seemed a bit high, and I know I shouldn't be supporting bootleggers, I couldn't resist buying one CD of a 1998 Dylan concert that had a song he played in the Vienna concert called Boots Of Spanish Leather. The way he sang it in Vienna was so beautiful and moving that it brought me to tears and I've been wanting to learn the song ever since. I was really pleased that the version on the CD I bought captured the emotion of the Vienna performance and, after several tearful listenings, I spent a couple of hours today trying to learn the guitar part - I can almost play it now, but still have to learn the melody and all the words. Around 2 p.m., I moved over to the group of musicians so that I could hear them better and join in the harmonizing occasionally. A little after that a man and woman arrived - the man with a classical guitar in tow - and joined the group of musicians jamming in the courtyard. I wondered if he might be the classical guitarist scheduled to perform later in the afternoon. He joined right in with the other musicians, getting sounds out of his guitar that fans of Joni's music would have loved. It's possible to make beautiful sounds on a guitar in standard tuning, but you really have to stretch your fingers, which he was definitely doing. It turned out that he was indeed Saturday evening's Italian musical attraction, Luigi Carlousa. He and his Argentinian wife, Fernanda Morosini, play Italian folk-style and traditional music professionally near Bologna, Italy. Fernanda has a very strong and beautiful voice and did a great version of One More Cup Of Coffee during the jam session that brought enthusiastic applause from the listeners. She is a natural performer - extroverted and uninhibited as well as very affectionate. Luigi's evening performance was in a long rectangular upstairs room. The entrance from inside the castle was on one side of the room and there was a door at the back leading out to an escarpment overlooking the valleys below. The room had windows all along the wall facing the side door, tapestries hanging on the remaining walls, and a wooden floor. There were seats for about fifty people, so there were quite a few people standing (more than 100 people attended the festival this year). Luigi has been a Dylan fan for a long time and introduced himself by saying that, although Dylan's words are very beautiful, he also finds a lot of beauty in the melodies alone and so had spent much time working out instrumental arrangements of some of his favorite Dylan songs which he hoped we would enjoy. Luigi's performance lasted about an hour and the audience was completely attentive and very appreciative of each of his beautiful arrangements. My favorite was an arrangement of the song Blind Willie McTell. For his encore, Luigi invited Fernanda to join him and they performed some of the songs they do professionally, which included Fernanda dancing to a Tarantella and singing a 17th century folk song. After the performance, Luigi handed out free copies of a home-made CD with some of the songs from his Dylan setlist. I was really happy to see that the CD included Blind Willie McTell, because I wanted to learn to play it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:37:45 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Bob Dylan Festival Report #1 - NJC (long) Every year for the last 20 years, Bob Dylan fans have gotten together in Austria to celebrate his life and his music. This year, the festival took place at a castle in Lower Austria known as Burg Plankenstein. The castle is situated at the top of a hill and the views to the valleys below from its various windows are breathtakingly beautiful. My favorite lookouts were the oval windows in the castle's amazing spiral staircase which I had to climb more times than I care to remember during the course of the weekend. I would never have even heard about this festival except that in February I joined a band that plays Dylan music and the band leader, Robert Koehler, has been organizing the festival since 1994. The band, Johnny's In The Basement, was one of three scheduled musical events during the weekend and we spent the last three months getting ready for the performance. The drive to the castle took about two hours from my home. The weather was gorgeous - with that clear kind of light that follows rain and is good for taking photos. There were high cumulus clouds amidst patches of blue sky and so many beautiful landscapes along the way that it was hard to keep my eyes on the road. Usually I go places with my family, so it felt a little scary/strange to go somewhere alone to be with people I don't know, but I found the beautiful weather reassuring. I arrived at noon and managed to get one of the last parking spaces inside the castle walls. Most of the festers had arrived the day before and had already been partying long and hard during the night and into the early hours of the morning - watching videos of clips from various concerts over the years of Dylan's career (similiar to the JMDL videos produced by Sherrie Good and Barbara Burst), and dancing to his music. I ascended the stairs into the castle's inner courtyard and was greeted by Robert, who looked pretty cheerful for having partied until 5 a.m. Robert introduced me to the castle's owner, Peter, who assigned me a room on the second floor, and I gratefully accepted Robert's offer to help me carry my things up the long spiral staircase - imagine that each floor is about 20 feet high, so it was an ascent of 40 feet. The owner of the castle is a well-preserved 70 years old and hopes to live another 20 years. I told him if he had to climb that staircase more than once every day, he probably would get his wish. He speaks 5 languages: English, German, Polish, French and Italian and wants to learn Turkish next. He said one can never learn enough languages. The castle is truly an amazing place, with many unusal rooms. Peter purchased it as a ruin 24 years ago and spent two years working night and day to get it to the point where he could offer lodging and meals to visitors, but the renovation work is still an ongoing task. Many esoteric groups use the castle as a venue for their seminars and the Bob Dylan festival has been held there since 1997. I've been wondering if it might be a good venue for an international Jonifest someday - Robert could probably give me a lot of advice about the planning of such an event. After I unpacked my things, I returned to the courtyard for lunch. It was very nice to sit there in the sunshine, listening to live music from three guitarists who were playing and singing Dylan's songs. One Italian man, who is a member of the other featured band called Who Cares, had a harmonica in every key and did some beautiful accompaniment for the songs. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:42:23 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Bob Dylan Festival Report #3 - NJC (long) After Luigi's concert, the festers descended the spiral staircase to the Dylan video room and patiently listened to a very intellectual and long-winded one-and-a-half hour presentation by a Swiss man on the topic of "What is Dylanism?" I found the lecture very exhausting because (1) it was in German, which could have been mostly okay for me except that (2) it was extremely intellectual, and (3) it included references to modern writers with whom I am not familiar. Fortunately there were a few parts where interesting English quotations (from Dylan himself and others who wrote about him in English) were given and so I suppose it was worth sitting there just to hear some of these, but I felt very relieved when the lecture was finished. I had never imagined that Dylan fans would enjoy listening to something like this and was amazed that the speaker was so enthusiastically applauded at the end of his long lecture. Perhaps my discomfort was increased because, unlike the earlier musical performance where smoking was not allowed, it seemed to me like everyone in the room was smoking and I was finding it hard to breathe. Fortunately, someone opened a window briefly which added a little relief. The speaker ended his lecture by saying we could take a ten-minute break and then return for discussion (yeah, right). I did ask a woman at my table what his conclusion was. She said he didn't really have a conclusion, but had mentioned that Dylan was always true to his feelings and that the speaker had at one point compared Dylan to an Austrian poet who is very unpopular in the world because he expresses his feelings of support for Naziism and the oppressive Serbian government. I replied that I didn't think Dylan could ever be called "right-wing", whereas it sounded like this modern poet was extremely right-wing. I felt totally turned off to the speaker after talking to this woman - as though he had used the forum to insidiously express a relationship between Dylan and this other writer which does not exist - but perhaps this was just one aspect of the whole lecture (she did say she didn't think the speaker agreed with the views of the modern poet). In any case, I was mentally exhausted, so I high-tailed it out of there. I spent the next half hour in my room recovering from the smoke and the mental overload by playing my guitar. This made me feel a whole lot better. I was starting to feel a little hungry and a little cold - night had fallen and my room was quite cool and a little drafty - so I decided to see if dinner was ready yet and descended the long spiral staircase all the way to the cellar. Everyone was enjoying an amazing grilled steak and grilled trout dinner which the chef was preparing for all to see on the cellar's ancient open hearth. It was blessedly warm down there - so I warmed up my hands in front of the fire and grabbed a plate of grilled trout and salad. There were no seats left at the tables in the cellar so I went upstairs to the Dylan video room (which had been thankfully completely aired out) and was pleased find Robert there with Sixt Pokorny, our bass player, who had just arrived with a Czech friend and his son. Somehow it was very comforting to eat my dinner among my band friends. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #228 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?