From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #215 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, May 15 1999 Volume 04 : Number 215 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC on Guns: Marcel's response to being called a coward [TreyCozy@ao] Re: TTT songbook [Howard Wright ] RE: convincing [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: R-E-S-P-E-C-T... ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC on Guns: Marcel's response to being called a coward ["Helen M. A] Re: You're So Vain - NJC [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Stormy cd [Jerry Notaro ] Re: joni tribute in Sydney [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] NJC Jesus and the Money Changers ["Happy The Man" ] SoCal Get-Together and Paradigm [Ken Corral ] Today in Joni History - May 16 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - May 15 [Today in Joni History ] What the Hell (NJC) ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Stormy Weather cd ["Kakki" ] (NJC)Gone for a Bit ... [Don Rowe ] Re: NJC Circle Game [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: NJC: Guns-R-US [catman ] Re: NJC on Guns: Marcel's new shyest answer [catman ] RE: A Reminder... (njc) [patrick leader ] Philly Days NJC [RMuRocks@aol.com] Tribute To Neil Young! ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: A Reminder... (njc) [RMuRocks@aol.com] RE: A drifting thread... (njc) [patrick leader ] Re: Today in Joni History - May 16 ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NJC: Guns-R-US [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 03:30:05 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC on Guns: Marcel's response to being called a coward wow.. this is getting really nasty.. let's all sing a verse of "Circle Game" together (the more out of tune voices, the better..) trey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:25:04 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: TTT songbook CaTGirl asked: >Can we order the book from Wally's site at CD NOW? I am kinda confused >about the whole thing..HELP ME! You can order the book over the phone - Wally has put up the phone numbers on his site. There's also a competition to enter where you can win a copy! Check out Wally's site for all the details: http://www.jonimitchell.com/TTTSongbooks599.html Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:13:19 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: convincing WallyK wrote: > Oh Marian, why did you? Now it'll be a lot harder for me not to go!!!!! > WallyK, in two minds > 1. Jonifests are FUN!!! 2. Mark Domyancich has promised to teach me DJRD, GMBABM, Black Crow and Blue Motel Room! 3. I want to play Michael Paz's VG-8 again! 4. I'm collecting Jonifest badges and don't want to miss out on Heather's '99 creation! 5. I want to hear ChuckE play the dulcimer again! (let's get a recording this time!!!) 6. I want to play Katie's latest Joni game! 7. I don't want to miss Ric's surprises or Maggie's food! 8. I fell in love with one of Ashara's neighbors! (LOL - just kidding!) 9. Ashara is a warm and gracious hostess and it would make me feel really good to visit her again! 10. I want to see old friends and make new ones! Is that enough reasons? Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 02:14:54 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: R-E-S-P-E-C-T... Howdy Susan! > Find out what it means to me: > > GOING HARD ON THE ISSUES AND SOFT ON THE PEOPLE...In the end, when one > is laying curled mega-peacefully on one's right side in order to see the > light better, ONLY COMPASSION MATTERS... > > If anyone has a problem with respecting and embracing differences here > then I do suggest a long walk off a short pier to the Dulson tones of > our SoCal serenading squad ;~D I love this post. In fact the SoCal serenading squad and our visiting Darice were discussing this tonight over some Guinesses and Harps. The world would no longer go around if everyone believed and followed exactly the same thing. If that happened we would cease to be unique souls and would become mere robots, devoid of any liveliness, creativity or spark. I cherish the differences - I'd be a numbed fool not to. Kakki P.S. We all drooled over the Diltz photos - just incredible - Joni, Joni and Graham, Neil, The Doors, Jimi, CSN and more right up close and beautiful. We were ready and the spirit was more than willing to go into more Joni debt but the prices are still a little out of our league - ah well, if I won the Lottery I would have snapped them all up! The exhibit ends this Sunday in case anyone still wants to catch it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:03:00 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NJC on Guns: Marcel's response to being called a coward Trey wrote: >wow.. > >this is getting really nasty.. > >let's all sing a verse of "Circle Game" together (the more out of tune >voices, the better..) > >trey I've had a little too much to drink tonight, so I probably shouldn't be posting at all (it's actually amazing that I can still type!), but I just have to say "WELL SAID!" I've stayed out of the line of fire so far, although I've been tempted to post a few well-chosen words along the lines of "if you post to the list, be prepared for criticism from the list" - something I've been at the receiving end of, in the past! And I'm not directing this at anyone in particular! Rightly, or wrongly, I have no fixed view on the gun debate, but the MAIN reason I am here (and I stress, I'm talking about ME) is to talk about Joni. I don't see much of that happening here! Helen - flame at will - I can take it! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:02:45 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: You're So Vain - NJC Mark composes: <> Excellent Mark! A couple of thumbs up from this South Carolinian! <> But what's with the NJC tag? Here's the JC...;~D Bob NP: Loggins & Messina, "Native Son" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:10:47 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Stormy cd From the Amazon Auction site: -- AT&T Stormy Weather Concert -- RARE (Mitchell, Cole, Colvin, Crow, Nicks etc.) $28.00 6 4 days, 03:15:39 More valuable than we thought! Jerry np: Misses ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:15:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: joni tribute in Sydney Nicholas asks: <> Nicholas, I was just at Joni.com last night and Wally's got a great write-up about the whole gig on "New and Upcoming" section. Check it out! Bob NP: Dan Fogelberg, "Stolen Moments" (good tune but not as good as Hiatt's song of the same name) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:23:58 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: NJC Jesus and the Money Changers I would like to clarify what has obviously been misinterpeted by many as a scene when Jesus gets upset and beats the crap out of people. First, Jesus struck no one but turned over tables with money. Now Why? First, The money changers were keeping people from God. Second, People would raise animals & birds to sacrifice to their Creator. Third, They would come to the temple to offer there sacrifices only to find out that the temple officials said that they could only use temple birds and animals because they couldn't be positive that their's were perfect sacrafices. Thus they needed to purchase temple animals. Guess what those owe Jewish officials were doing since they had a monopoly on perfect sacrafices. You guessed it, they charged obnoxious prices. Fourth, Oh and by the way, if you wanted to purchase a temple sacrafice you had to do it with temple money. So, you went and found a money changer because you had to trade your denarius in for a temple coin. So guess what the Money Changers did. They charged a obnoxious exchanged rate. So, not only did you have to use a temple sacrafice but temple money. Now the crazy thing was that this was all set up in the Court of Gentiles which was their place of worship. So basically Jesus was a little pissed off because they were keeping people from God, they were setting up roadblocks from allowing people access to God. In regards to the sword issue in the bible. Please read this in context, one verse was quoted as a weapon and it is but the one that pierces the heart is the Sword of Truth which is the scriptures. Peace, Craig NP: Joni Mitchell - TTT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:28:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Mr. Music Joni and Big Yellow Taxi are the lead items in this weeks Jerry Osborne's Mr. Music column, which is syndicated nationally. Look for it. It will be posted on his web site soon. Jerry np: Hits ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:00:24 -0700 From: Ken Corral Subject: SoCal Get-Together and Paradigm Hi Folks, We had a very enjoyable time last night in Southern California. After taking in an exhibit of Henry Diltz photographs, we repaired to Muldoon's Pub in Newport Beach for some reflections on the list and socializing. List member Steve Dulson and his wife Michelle had played this pub as recently as St. Patrick's day. We had an interesting discussion about the life of Internet lists generally, and this one in particular. As long time list members, most of whom have had significant periods of lurking, we've watched it ebb and flow, flare up and die back down and go through a whole lot of changes....The list seems to be going through a rough patch right now. I want to put in a BIG plug for civility! Thanks to Darice, Clark, Kakki, Steve and Michelle. I finished up by popping in a "Hissing of Summer Lawns" demo tape, which includes this really lively version of "Dreamland", getting on Pacific Coast Highway and heading north. And now, moving from the sublime to the ridiculous: There is s very brief Joni mention in today's L.A. Times Calendar section. In a piece on an upcoming made-for-TV movie starring Diana Ross and Brandy, Joni is referred to in connection with the film's plot. The basic plot deals with a mother who makes a decision to leave her child and eventually has a wildly successful singing career. Here is the relevant portion: "They knew she [Ross] had a soft spot for anything involving children, and also knew she was intrigued by the issue of child abandonment. Recent revelations by celebrities such as Joni Mitchell, who gave up a daughter for adoption when she was young and struggling, added a convenient newsy spin, Meron acknowledged, but were not the source of the movie. If anything, Meron said, the Mitchell saga only proved 'what a paradigm' the basic plot line was." Take care, Ken Corral ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:57:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - May 16 1998: Joni, Bob Dylan, and Van Morrison perform in George, Washington at The Gorge Amphitheater - the first night of two in a row at this venue. Read extensive coverage at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/OnTheRoadGorgeA98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/review980516.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:57:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - May 15 1983: Joni performs in Copenhagen, Denmark 1997: Joni is inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 1998: Joni begins her first "tour" in 15 years at Vancouver's General Motors Place - a triple bill that also includes Bob Dylan and Van Morrison. The Vancouver Province wrote, "Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell and Van Morrison's historic triple bill ... at GM Place ostensibly placed three of the most influential songwriters of the past 35 years on the same stage, as if underlining their similarities and characterizing them as one sole expression of the culture that made them and they helped to shape." Read extensive coverage (list member comments, published reviews, set lists, and more) on the event: http://www.jonimitchell.com/OnTheRoadVancouver98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/review980514.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:59:47 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: What the Hell (NJC) As long as we are dicusing religion, well what the hell....... Subject: GOD'S TOTAL QUALITY MANAGEMENT QUESTIONNAIRE God would like to thank you for your belief and patronage. In order to better serve your needs, God asks that you take a few moments to answer the following questions. Please keep in mind that your responses will be kept completely confidential, and that you need not disclose your name or address unless you prefer a direct response to comments or suggestions. 1. How did you find out about your deity? __ Newspaper __ Bible __ Torah __ Television __ Book of Mormon __ Divine Inspiration __ Dead Sea Scrolls __ My Mama Done Tol' Me __ Near Death Experience __ Near Life Experience __ National Public Radio __ Tabloid __ Burning Shrubbery __ Other (specify): _____________ 2. Which model deity did you acquire? __ Yahweh __ Father, Son & Holy Ghost [Trinity Pak] __ Jehovah __ Jesus __ Krishna __ Zeus and entourage [Olympus Pak] __ Odin and entourage [Valhallah Pak] __ Allah __ Satan __ Gaia/Mother Earth/Mother Nature __ None of the above, I was taken in by a false god 3. Did your God come to you undamaged, with all parts in good working order and with no obvious breakage or missing attributes? __ Yes __ No If no, please describe the problems you initially encountered here. Please indicate all that apply: __ Not eternal __ Finite in space/Does not occupy or inhabit the entire cosmos __ Not omniscient __ Not omnipotent __ Not infinitely plastic (incapable of being all things to all =creations) __ Permits sex outside of marriage __ Prohibits sex outside of marriage __ Makes mistakes (Geraldo Rivera; Michael Jackson) __ Makes or permits bad things to happen to good people __ When beseeched, does not stay beseeched __ Requires burnt offerings __ Requires virgin sacrifices 4. What factors were relevant in your decision to acquire a deity? Please check all that apply. __ Indoctrinated by parents __ Needed a reason to live __ Indoctrinated by society __ Needed focus whom to despise __ Imaginary friend grew up __ Wanted to know Jesus in the Biblical sense __ Hate to think for myself __ Wanted to meet girls/boys __ Fear of death __ Wanted to piss off parents __ Needed a day away from work __ Desperate need for certainty __ Like organ music __ Need to feel morally superior __ Thought Jerry Falwell was cool __ Shit was falling out of the sky __ My shrubbery caught fire and a loud voice commanded me to do it. 5. Have you ever worshipped a deity before? If so, which false god were you fooled by? Please check all that apply. __ Mick Jagger __ Cthulhu __ Baal __ The Almighty Dollar __ Bill Gates __ Left-Wing Liberalism __ The Radical Right __ Ra __ Beelzebub __ Barney T.B.P.D. __ The Great Spirit __ The Great Pumpkin __ The Sun __ Elvis __ Cindy Crawford __ The Moon __ Burning shrubbery __ Other: ________________ 6. Are you currently using any other source of inspiration in addition to God? Please check all that apply. __ Tarot __ Lottery __ Astrology __ Television __ Fortune cookies __ Ann Landers __ Psychic Friends Network __ Dianetics __ Palmistry __ Playboy and/or Playgirl __ Self-help books __ Sex, Drugs, Rock and Roll __ Biorhythms __ Alcohol __ Bill Clinton __ Tea Leaves __ EST __ The Internet __ Mantras __ Jimmy Swaggert __ Crystals (not including Crystal Gayle) __ Human Sacrifice __ Pyramids __ Wandering Around a Desert __ Insurance Policies __ Burning Shrubbery __ Barney T.B.P.D. __ Teletubbies __ Other:_____________________ __ None 7. God employs a limited degree of Divine Intervention to preserve the balanced level of felt presence and blind faith. Which would you prefer (circle one)? a. More Divine Intervention b. Less Divine Intervention c. Current level of Divine Intervention is just right d. Don't know...what's Divine Intervention? 8. God also attempts to maintain a balanced level of disasters and miracles. Please rate on a scale of 1 - 5 his handling of the following: (1=unsatisfactory, 5=excellent): A. Disasters: Flood 1 2 3 4 5 Famine 1 2 3 4 5 Earthquake 1 2 3 4 5 War 1 2 3 4 5 Pestilence 1 2 3 4 5 Plague 1 2 3 4 5 SPAM 1 2 3 4 5 AOL 1 2 3 4 5 Ken Starr 1 2 3 4 5 B. Miracles: Rescues 1 2 3 4 5 Spontaneous remissions 1 2 3 4 5 Stars hovering over jerkwater towns 1 2 3 4 5 Crying statues 1 2 3 4 5 Water changing to wine 1 2 3 4 5 Walking on water 1 2 3 4 5 VCRs that set their own clocks 1 2 3 4 5 Saddam Hussein still alive 1 2 3 4 5 Getting any sex whatsoever 1 2 3 4 5 9. Do you have any additional comments or suggestions for improving the quality of God's services? (Attach an additional sheet if necessary) _______________________________ If you are able to complete the questionnaire and return it to one of our conveniently located drop-off boxes by October 30, you will be entered in the One Free Miracle of Your Choice drawing (chances of winning are approximately one in 6.023 x 10 to the 23rd power, depending on number of beings entered). Thank You, Daryl Clerk of the Supreme Being of the Apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:55:16 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Stormy Weather cd Jerry wrote: > From the Amazon Auction site: > -- > AT&T Stormy Weather Concert -- RARE (Mitchell, Cole, Colvin, > Crow, Nicks etc.) > > $28.00 There is a slew of them on eBay, too. I found the ones in the Joni Mitchell section to be going for the highest prices so tried searches on some of the other artists like Paula Cole, Bjork, Sheryl Crow, Trisha Yearwood, etc. There were especially a lot on the Bjork page last I checked - and the prices are lower. (I bid on one through the Bjork page and immediately got an e-mail inviting me to join the Bjork Discussion List ;-D ) A list buddy ultimately sent me one as a gift and I have not had it out of the changer. It really is very wonderful. Kakki NP: You've Changed - Paula Cole ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: (NJC)Gone for a Bit ... Bye-bye for a bit jmdlers -- I'm starting vacation, and boy is it about time -- so I'll be un-subscribing at the close of day. Unlike others, I won't suggest that you refrain from interesting discussions while I'm gone, but do please try to focus on getting along and playing well with others. It would be a shame to find only scorched earth and spent cartridge magazines when I get back. Don Rowe _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:39:25 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Circle Game In a message dated 5/13/1999 9:09:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << Hmmmm..... Maybe I should work up a little parody, here.... Mark in Seattle who is also tired of the gun debate but will not attempt to censor anybody and is a big advocate of NJC. >> This is why I just hit delete. I have my own thoughts and opinions on thsi matter that are strictly my own. I came for conversation and not arguing.......Let's kindly move on please. Catgirl...thinking about my new TTT songbook...YES! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:47:38 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: Guns-R-US Total gun-related deaths in the U.S. in 1995 = 35,563 (fatal accidents = 1,225; homicides = 15,835; suicides = 18,503); Whilst I find the owning of guns repelleant, I now think there is a much more pressing problem-that of suicide. These figures are truly appalling. However, without the guns, maybe they would not happen in such large numbers. I certainly am very grateful myself, having bipolar disorder, that i have never had access to guns. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:46:55 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC on Guns: Marcel's new shyest answer Marcel- you and I have written to eachother several times and I have enjoyed the exchange. Howevr, this mail surprises me(before it would have shocked me but then i have been on the net now fow while!). To be frank I think it is you who is way off beam on this. there is no need whatsoever to get nasty and childish which is what this mail reveals(and the one you sent privately). Why cannot people disagree without resorting to this sort of shaming tactic? Everything you have accused Kate of, you display yourself. Your shaming put downs and sexist insults to Kate do not serve you at all. When i read it, my stomach flipped. i know so well this kind of tactic. It doesn't help anyone. I understand people can get hot under the collar about things but ADULTS do NOT resort to this. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:49:55 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Circle Game But I cannot fail to speak when things need to be said. And if more of us did we would have a better world. it always amazes me that with the amount of people who profess support of equailty for women, for gays, and people of colour that we STILL have discrimination! Most people are all mouth and no trousers..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:13:12 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: A Reminder... (njc) hey les, >7) Do not post another person's private email to the list without their permission. i'd have to make an exception to this, and i have in the past. if someone posts to me privately without my express or implied permission, i wouldn't consider it private. it happened to me here, and among other things it was an excuse to insult other listers behind their backs. i was livid, and i forwarded the post as was. maybe there should be another etiquette point: don't post privately without permission from the recipient. this is a public space. if a man gropes a woman in a subway, it's a private (and unwelcome) communication and her best action is to yell and embarrass the man. i think kate did us all a service publicizing marcel's uninvited private post. he just shouldn't have sent it, and for god's sake he shouldn't whine about it. it has been difficult here lately, but people have been carrying on parallel conversations and there has been joni content. i would be much more worried if we hadn't been disturbed by littleton, if we insisted on joni on headphones to drown out the world. that's the cowardly way, this is obviously a more caring group. i'm going on vacation as well, going to northern calif for my 39-years-young sister's graduation from uc berkeley. how proud am i? bursting; she's a member of phi beta kappa. keep the fire, lose the flaming. patrick np - koyaanisqaatsi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:18:01 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Philly Days NJC Hey All, Well, I picked up the new Tom Waits, it IS quite good, best thing he's done since Rain Dogs...the new Ben Five Folds is also excellent - if you like Todd R. you'll definitely like it, and thanks to Jason I picked up Jen Trynin "Gun Shy", it's just swell as well. Add to that a pleasant surprise from a lister I got in the mail yesterday and I'm rockin fer sher... And by the way, starting Tuesday next week I'm gonna be traveling and stationed in our Marlton, NJ office working on a project for awhile, coming back home on the weekends. Anybody in the Marlton/Philly area who'd like to meet up sometime for dinner or drinks or a movie or something (my treat - I'll be on expenses) post me privately. Looking forward to meeting some more fellow JMDLer's!! Bob NP: Tom Waits "Get Behind The Mule" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:26:07 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Tribute To Neil Young! Open Mind Music, Innerstate Records & Inbetweens Records Presents : A Tribute To Neil Young Sunday June 6th 8:00 PM at the Justice League 628 Divisadero Street, San Francisco phone 415-440-0409 The following artists will be performing songs written by Neil Young: Chris Cacavas Sonya Hunter Matt Piucci of The Rain Parade Steven Roback Map Of Wyoming Russ Tolman Pat Thomas Cole Marquis of The Snowmen Mushroom and others... with a special appearance by Billy Talbot of Crazy Horse performing a set of his own songs This night of Neil Young songs is in celebration of the release of the new Neil Young Tribute CD: This Notes For You Too! that features many of the artists listed above, as well as Neil Young songs performed by Lee Ranaldo of Sonic Youth, Richard Lloyd of Television, Steve Wynn, Bevis Frond, and many others. Available at : http://www.innerstate.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:23:37 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: A Reminder... (njc) In a message dated 5/14/99 6:15:58 PM Central Daylight Time, Patrick recommends: << >7) Do not post another person's private email to the list without their permission. i'd have to make an exception to this, and i have in the past. if someone posts to me privately without my express or implied permission, i wouldn't consider it private. it happened to me here, and among other things it was an excuse to insult other listers behind their backs. i was livid, and i forwarded the post as was. maybe there should be another etiquette point: don't post privately without permission from the recipient. >> To dovetail onto Patrick's comment, a good rule of thumb is not to say something antagonistically in private that you wouldn't want to see made public. And congrats on your sis' graduation... Bob, not offended if some chick gropes ME on the subway! :~) NP: Tom Waits, "House Where Nobody Lives" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:53:40 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: A drifting thread... (njc) patrick, with newfound taste for the question rhetorical, offers: thanx, bob, for all your thoughts on this; i'll pass on your 'grats to sis. you wrote: >Bob, not offended if some chick gropes ME on the subway! :~) well, i'll bet it depends on the chick. personally, some chick could grope me and i'd be singularly unmoved. i have to admit, some hot man could cop a feel and i'd be: a) personally aroused b) politically outraged how confusing is that? patrick, feminist with a dick np - koyaanisqaatsi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:38:24 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - May 16 > 1998: Joni, Bob Dylan, and Van Morrison perform in George, Washington at > The Gorge Amphitheater - the first night of two in a row at this venue. > Read extensive coverage at: This was a momentous event in *my* life. I want to take this opportunity to thank Scott Price for his beautifully written memory of the Gorge concerts. His original review of Joni's performance at the Gorge is also well worth revisiting. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:44:45 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: You're So Vain - NJC In a message dated 5/13/1999 10:07:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << YOU'RE SO VAIN (You probably think this email's about you) a parody by Mark in Seattle >> Great parody Mark. But boy am I glad I am not in the middle of this discussion! Catgirl....YIKES! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:02:34 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: TTT songbook In a message dated 5/14/1999 4:31:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, haw@ph.ed.ac.uk writes: << CaTGirl asked: >Can we order the book from Wally's site at CD NOW? I am kinda confused >about the whole thing..HELP ME! You can order the book over the phone - Wally has put up the phone numbers on his site. There's also a competition to enter where you can win a copy! Check out Wally's site for all the details: http://www.jonimitchell.com/TTTSongbooks599.html Howard >> Howard, I got the book and saw your name in there!! Is that really you? I feel honoured to know a celeb!!!! Catgirl....getting closer to Joni one person at a time :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:06:44 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: R-E-S-P-E-C-T... In a message dated 5/14/1999 5:31:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Kakki P.S. We all drooled over the Diltz photos - just incredible - Joni, Joni and Graham, Neil, The Doors, Jimi, CSN and more right up close and beautiful. We were ready and the spirit was more than willing to go into more Joni debt but the prices are still a little out of our league - ah well, if I won the Lottery I would have snapped them all up! The exhibit ends this Sunday in case anyone still wants to catch >> Do you know where it is going next? I would love to see the exhibit! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:08:43 -0400 (EDT) From: al_date@email.com Subject: NJC--PEACE DEMONSTRATIONS--NJC > > A NATO cluster bomb attack on a farm in Kosovo has killed at least 100 > ethnic Albanians -- mostly women and children -- who had been seeking > shelter for the night at the farm. Peninsula Peace and Justice Center > urges, pleads, begs and cajoles all of you to GET OUT AND DEMONSTRATE TO > STOP THIS MADNESS! Here are the details -- one last time -- for > tomorrow's mass march and rally in San Francisco, with an editorial from > The Nation magazine attached at the end of this message: > > Stop the Bombing! March and Rally > Saturday, May 15 > 12:00 Noon - Gather at Powell & Market, San Francisco > March to UN Plaza - Rally at 1:00 PM > > Speakers: Norman Solomon, media critic, syndicated columnist, author; > Ali Harris, former relief worker in the Balkans, coordinator, San Jose > Peace Center; Carolyn Scarr, Ecumenical Peace Institute; Rick Rowden, > International Studies, Cal State Monterey; Ljerjka Stimec, antiwar > activist from Serbia; Paul George, director, Peninsula Peace and Justice > > Center and others -- LIVE MUSIC too! > > ==== > Editorial from The Nation magazine: > > Protest the War > > It's time to move from dissent to action: to quickly and vigorously > protest the Kosovo war. Whether President Clinton and NATO escalate this > disastrous military engagement or initiate sensible negotiation will > depend in large part on the domestic political dynamic over the next > several weeks. The White House knows public support ebbs with every > "accidental" strike on a hospital or marketplace, and the bombing of the > Chinese Embassy in Belgrade further depletes NATO's political currency > worldwide. > > An administration that once thought the Kosovo conflict would be over in > a matter of days now finds its clock running down under the 1973 War > Powers Act, which allows the President sixty days from starting > hostilities to secure Congressional approval or begin extricating US > forces. Congress has already refused to endorse the air war by its > 213-to-213 vote on April 28. If by May 24 we're still at war, the > President will have to return to Congress in search of a new majority or > risk having the war slapped down in court. So it's crucial to solidify > the current antiwar base in Congress and persuade liberals like Paul > Wellstone and Bernie Sanders, who support the war's early stages, to > change their votes. The New York-based International Action Center plans > a June 5 demonstration in Washington, but local pressure on elected > representatives is just as critical. > > The antiwar campaign has so far been smaller than in the early days of > the Gulf War, owing to many constituencies' revulsion at the Milosevic > government's atrocities. But with fifty days of NATO bombing increasing > Balkan suffering, it is clear that a cease-fire and international > peacekeeping efforts are the only realistic option. > > Religious communities have shown significant leadership: The United > Methodist Council of Bishops passed a resolution calling on NATO to halt > the bombing, and the Rev. Joan Campbell, general secretary of the > National Council of Churches, was a co-leader with Jesse Jackson of the > delegation to Belgrade. An April teach-in at The New School in New York > drew 1,000, and overflow crowds have been reported at similar forums > from Santa Cruz to Syracuse. Rallies, town meetings and vigils have been > held in at least thirty-three states > > On May 23, KPFK radio in Los Angeles, Southern California Americans for > Democratic > Action and The Nation Institute will host a teach-in on the war, to be > broadcast nationally over the public radio satellite system. Hillary > Clinton was greeted by protesters in Ireland; there have been > demonstrations in Italy, France and elsewhere; and the rank and file of > the German Green party are rebelling against their leaders' endorsement > of the NATO campaign. > > One beacon of clarity is UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Mary > Robinson, who has forcefully denounced the Orwellian euphemism > "collateral damage" and insisted that both Serbia and NATO be subject to > investigation for war crimes. The first Washington resignation to > protest the war came from Jeremy Brecher, an aide to Sanders. Brecher > wrote that he had asked himself, "Is there a moral limit to the military > violence you are willing to participate in or support? Where does that > limit lie?" > > The Kosovo war exceeds defensible limits daily. This is the time to > write, to call, to march--to make our voices heard. > -- > ====================================================================== > Peninsula Peace and Justice Center > (650) 326-8837 <> http://www.peacecenter.com > "Peninsula Peace and Justice Center has been one of the most effective > of the activist organizations" - Noam Chomsky > ======================================================================= - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:32:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Fw: Henry's Gallery Update Catgirl asked whether the exhibit of Henry Diltz photos would be traveling to others cities. I have not heard that it would be anywhere except in Newport Beach. I'm on the Diltz mailing list (receive about 1 post every 2 months ;-) and am forwarding the last update I received. You may want to visit his website - it shows many photos of Joni and others and you can order copies of them. Kakki > Henry's Gallery Feedback - http://www.powernet.net/~peterb > > Some things that are happening with Henry over the next few months. > > 1. Henry is having a art gallery show at the Sutton Place Gallery in > Newport Beach, California from April 25th for three weeks. He will be > there one of those nights. > > 2. Henry will once again be the official photographer at Woodstock 99 in > New York and Austria this summer. > > 3. We are starting production on our television special next month. Titled > "California Dreams," the production will follow what we have done in our > CD ROM, Under The Covers. We will keep you posted. > > 4. Our web address will change soon to henrysgallery.com. Keep using the > current address http://www.powernet.net/~peterb as it will link to the new > address. > > We hope all of you are well and happy and hope to hear from you soon. > > Kind regards, > Henry's Gallery > Henry & Peter > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to peterb-unsubscribe@listbot.com > Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:46:46 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Guns-R-US In a message dated 5/14/1999 5:49:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Total gun-related deaths in the U.S. in 1995 = 35,563 (fatal accidents = 1,225; homicides = 15,835; suicides = 18,503); Whilst I find the owning of guns repelleant, I now think there is a much more pressing problem-that of suicide. These figures are truly appalling. However, without the guns, maybe they would not happen in such large numbers. I certainly am very grateful myself, having bipolar disorder, that i have never had access to guns. bw colin >> 5 and a half years ago, I got a phone call from a good friend of mines girlfriend. She wanted to talk to my husband when I asked about what she told me that David ( my dear friend and my husbands musical partner) had shot himself in the head. My heart dropped and I lost it. David ( who sounded so much like David Crosby and could harmonize with any one even those out of tune- he actually made them sound good with his tight harmony- he amazed me) was manic depressed. He was not on meds and had gone into a spiral of depression. He stole his best friends gun that they bought for protection and took his life. My life will never be the same from knowing him and then from loosing him. In my opinion, if had not had that gun he would still be alive for he was going to the Doctors later that week for a diagnosis and for meds but he just could not hold on. I miss him.............. 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