From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #214 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, May 14 1999 Volume 04 : Number 214 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC: resp to: Guns-R-US ["Eric Taylor" ] TTT songbook [Howard Wright ] NJC: Joan Armatrading at Calgary Folk Fest [Brett Code ] re: Storytellers ["Jerome Gonzales" ] NJC: Guns-R-US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [John.Mitchell@ascend.com] Re: Guns'n'stuff (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] He.lp me identify a song (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Re[2]: Storytellers [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: identify a song (NJC) [Scott Price ] Joni's Jazz [Jerry Notaro ] Long time gone, any news on Joni Concerts? (SJC) [DavinaGr@aol.com] re: identifying a song [KerriLynn@aol.com] Re: after goldrush [Debra Kaufman ] Re: joan of arc [Debra Kaufman ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #213 [Debra Kaufman ] RE: convincing ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Re[2]: Storytellers [Ginamu@aol.com] Apology for incorrect post labeling [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: NJC: Guns-R-US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [John.Mitchell@ascend.com] NJC on Guns: Marcel's shy answer [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: NJC on Guns: Marcel's new shyest answer [MDESTE1@aol.com] NJC Circle Game [Vince Lavieri ] Re: NJC Circle Game ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NJC on Guns: Marcel's response to being called a coward [MDESTE1@aol] You're So Vain - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NJC Circle Game [Kate Tarasenko ] joni tribute in Sydney [Nicholas Bates ] A Reminder... [Les Irvin ] Re: TTT songbook [CaTGirl627@aol.com] R-E-S-P-E-C-T... [Susan Chaloner ] RE: You're So Vain - NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC Circle Game ["Gene Mock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 03:10:10 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: NJC: resp to: Guns-R-US MDESTE1@aol.com writes: <> Granted the ATF & FBI handled Waco miserably! But who can really defend Koresh's militant parinoia? Does the NRA want to make David Koresh it's poster boy? Perhaps his compound wouldn't have gone up in smoke if he hadn't padded it with haybales & stockpiled enough explosives to blow up every high school from Waco to Oklahoma City.... Get real! Koresh was NOT a martyr. He was merely another Jim Jones who sacrificed his stupid flock for religious glory. & conspiracy theorists want to make this scumbag some sort of hero? It makes me cringe.... E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:52:08 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: TTT songbook Yes, the new songbook's out at last! Just to follow on from Wally's message about the TTT songbook, I wanted to say that I'm interested to get any feedback on the guitar performance notes that I wrote for the book. It was tough to try and include as much useful imformation about Joni's picking style and rhythms etc in the limited space that I was given, but I hope the notes are useful. So, anyone who gets the songbook, and especially all you guitarists on the list, let me know what you think! Cheers Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:36:32 -0600 From: Brett Code Subject: NJC: Joan Armatrading at Calgary Folk Fest Just an announcement to create some small bit envy and perhaps cause some jmdl treks to Calgary. The second greatest Joan, Joan Armatrading, is playing in Calgary during the Folk Festival in Calgary this year (July 22-25). She will headline one of the evening performances, but which one is not yet known to the public, and probably participate in one or two workshops during the weekend days. I saw her at the Edmonton Folk Fest 3 years ago - she's still absolutely brilliant. Who knows - maybe she's touring, maybe she's coming out with a new cd. Let's hope. Others on the list, which has only been partially released, are: Joan Baez, Violent Femmes, Steve Earle, Colin James, Sonny Rhodes, 2 of the members of X, Gil Scott-Heron, Cascabulho (Brazil), the Kamkars (Iran), Karl Roth, James Keelaghan, National Dust, Odetta. There are probably 50 other acts over the 4 days. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:04:37 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Guns'n'stuff (NJC) I don't think anyone has ever left this list because of the "Hejira vs FTR" debate. People HAVE left the list because discussions of sex, politics and religion have degenerated into increasingly virulent and abusive "me vs you" shouting matches. Just an observation. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:20:57 PDT From: "Jerome Gonzales" Subject: re: Storytellers I sure hope that the Storytellers thing pans out. And honestly, I can see it as being possible. John Fugelsang told Wally that there were talks about it, right? If they can get Tom Waits, they can get Joni I'm sure. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:52:02 -0700 From: John.Mitchell@ascend.com Subject: NJC: Guns-R-US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vince Lavieri wrote: >If Jesus had a gun, and had shot at the Roman soldiers, I wouldn't be a minister now! But then Peter had a sword... Jesus rebuked him and told Peter to put the sword away. Damn idiot, that Jesus... he and the disciples should have been armed to the teeth!< Vince, as a minister, you should know better than to make a comment like that. I refer you to the following: "He said to them, "But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one." [Luke 22:36 RSV] "And they said, "Look, Lord, here are two swords." And he said to them, "It is enough." [Luke 22:38 RSV] And don't forget this one: "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." [Matthew 10:34 RSV] Like it or not, Jesus was not always a gentle peacenik. I remind you of a certain incident involving money changers. johnm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:31:50 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Guns'n'stuff (NJC) Steve says: <> And a very good one Steve, or if we don't leave we tend to burrow down until the dust clears...that's kinda what I'm doing... <<"The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!)>> And on the lighter side, this Website has been "coming soon" for quite awhile now! Somebody's nappin' on the job, I'd say...:~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:26:58 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: He.lp me identify a song (NJC) From: mann@chicagonet.net Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:14:32 -0500 He.lp! I have been hearing a song for MONTHS on the radio...................it has never been identified until yesterday! The DJ said it was Sarah McLaughlin but didn't say the name of the song. I listened to alot of the clips on CD NOW but still can't identify the song........but amazed how much she sounds like Joni on alot of the clips. Any one have a clue on which song I'm talking about? It's a slower song........and upon first hearing it......very much sounds like Judy Collins.........kinda like hearing Amazing Grace. I don't know all the lyrics.........something like this........... La La La the wreckage.....La La La (the La La's are words I don't know!! ha!)......find some comfort here. Any ideas? I want this song in my CD player so I can listen to it over and over until I'm sick of it!! HELP!! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:28:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Storytellers Jerome queries: <> Speaking of Waits, has anyone out there heard his latest, Mule Variations", yet? Bob NP: Dan Fogelberg, "In The Passage", from "The Innocent Age" on which Joni does a really pretty backing vocal - I remember hearing the song ("Nexus") for the first time, when I heard Joni it just gave me such a great feeling... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:01:16 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: identify a song (NJC) At 12:26 PM 5/13/99 -0600, Laura wrote: >Any one have a clue on which song I'm talking about? It's "Angel" by Sarah McLachlan, from the album "Surfacing." Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:25:16 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni's Jazz As more information comes to light please share it with the group, like how to get tickets, JMDL gatherings, etc. My best friend (also a huge Joni AND jazz fan) and I have decided to come to NYC for the concert and spend a few days dining, seeing shows, shopping, etc. Jerry np: Elaine Pages - Stages ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:40:46 EDT From: DavinaGr@aol.com Subject: Long time gone, any news on Joni Concerts? (SJC) Hi all, I've been gone for a bit, left the old job working for the man and have started a new company. Needless to say, I've been buried and am now resurfacing. I've missed you guys! Has there been any news on Joni summer concerts etc? Also, how did Joni like the cookbook. I apologize if all this has been addressed prior. Best Regards! Davina NP: Edith and the Kingpin (extra loud) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:41:13 EDT From: KerriLynn@aol.com Subject: re: identifying a song it's 'angel' by sarah.... of the 'city of angels' motion picture soundtrack.... kerri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:58:03 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: after goldrush OK, another fun parody by Bob M.! Bravo. About "After the GOldrush" stories--I was out of touch for awhile again. The jmdl stuff had to be cleared from my mailbox. So can you tell me which number(s) these stories were on? and I can go to the homepage and dig them up. These stories sound intriguing. I just got a call that my jazz takes on jm arrive. Can't wait to hear it! Debra K. **************************************************************** "The end is nothing. The road is all." -- Willa Cather ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:07:38 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: joan of arc Somebody wondered if L. Cohen's Joan of Arc was about Joni, someone else that it was about Janis Joplin. I always thought it was about St. Joan! What's the deal? Debra K. **************************************************************** "The end is nothing. The road is all." -- Willa Cather ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:13:08 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #213 Clark, I totally agree with you and have posted to the same subject earlier. It has to be the most challenging thing to deal with because the legislators know how many pro-gun folks there are. I want to see if the liability suits can work. Sometimes courts can do what lawmakers cannot. It worked with tobacco finally, although it took insurance company pressure to make that happen. Certainly tools to take persons' lives could be considered a public health menace too... P.S. I dig Stan Getz too. Debra K **************************************************************** "The end is nothing. The road is all." -- Willa Cather ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:54:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: convincing Oh Marian, why did you? Now it'll be a lot harder for me not to go!!!!! WallyK, in two minds - -----Original Message----- De: M.Russell@iaea.org Para: Jenaya@playnetwork.com ; LaborDay99@jmdl.com ; Ashara@aol.com Fecha: Miércoles 12 de Mayo de 1999 23:58 Asunto: RE: convincing >Ashara wrote: > >> Jenaya, slowing falling off the fence, writes: >> >> << can I expect free guitar lessons? >> >> >> I would certainly hope so!! ::grin:: Marian? Michael? Mark? >> Guitarists? >> What do you guys say?? >> >Of course! That's one of the freebies! > >Made my airline reservations yesterday - so I've moved up to 1.1. > >Marian > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:18:13 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Storytellers In a message dated 5/13/99 2:32:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > Speaking of Waits, has anyone out there heard his latest, Mule > Variations", yet? > > Bob I've been hearing the single a lot lately, on my favorite radio station. I think the title is Hold On. Sounds good. Though, I consider myself a big fan of Tom's, truth is, I've not kept up with his recent career much. This song sounds like the Tom Waits I first got into. I like the single and I think I'm going to buy the CD. Take care, Gina NP: Pat Metheny Band - Travels ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:30:32 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Apology for incorrect post labeling I owe the JC only list an apology. I didn't label my last post NJC. It *is* rather benign, my post, still...I should have been more careful. In an effor to ward off punishment, I have taken Pat Metheny out of my CD player and put on For The Roses. Sorry again, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:33:40 -0700 From: John.Mitchell@ascend.com Subject: Re: NJC: Guns-R-US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vince wrote: >of course you are right: I was failing to be be ironic in a way that was >clear. The verses you cite are comfort and a revelation and my poor writing >skills failed to convey the irony that I was going for. Sorry. Just don't get too comfy; I can quote the Bible to defend an anti-gun stance just as easily. I'm actually not anti handgun, because they can be used for defense. It's rifles I don't like. They are used to maim and kill animals who have done no wrong whatsoever. They are also used to kill mass numbers of people. Allow hand guns, but ban rifles and automatic weapons and you'll get no quarrel from me. johnm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:55:01 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC on Guns: Marcel's shy answer Marcel has mailed me twice, off-list, in response to my Guns-R-US post (and I had not responded to either, till now). His first post said: "whats your point" (lack of punctuation, his), and now the following: "When one has absolutely no argument it makes sense to take perfectly clear analogies and simply dismiss them. If you cant figure them out all by yourself, get some help. Nice try dismissing them though. I suppose if all I had was your arguments the smart thing to do is pretend the arguments against you just dont stack up to your wisdom. The intruder analogy may be a little beyond your ability to consider the bigger picture which is society as a whole but Im willing to give you more time to do more research. Now you may go back to reading Vanity Faire where Im sure you get most of your information on politics. LOL. cheers marcel." To which I now respond: Don't flame me unless you have the stones to do it on-list, and are willing to risk exposing yourself for the person you are. I didn't join the JMDL to make a lot of gun-loving pen-pals! Marcel, I find your arguments weak and hysterical; you have the passion for your position, but you squash it with your unsupported theoretical distortions of reality. And I find your tone and manner quite cowardly - -- something that I ran into over and over again from the NRA boys at the rally in Denver. (Life is nothing if not ironic.) The only mystery I can't figure out is Joni's powerful cross-over appeal! Back to the fights that matter, Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:19:27 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC on Guns: Marcel's new shyest answer Thanks for taking a my clearly private post to you and publicizing it even though any bozo knows that you are not supposed to do that. All you have done is (besides violating net etiquette) is validate my point which is you need help. Hopefully several of your politically correct friends can all get together and by each taking a row on the keyboard compose a letter. Someday you will grow up and after gaining some level of sophistication know the difference between someone jerking your chain or not. Hopefully that day will come soon. I have saved you the trouble of violating net etiquette again and posted this ostensibly private message for you. Be advised that other adults may in the future attempt to engage in serious political discussions with you and maybe with a little therapy you will be able to do so without having your feelings hurt by categorical factual historical statements. Then you will be net-woman instead of net-girl. Now back to Vanity Faire and your research. As long as you continue to get all your political knowledge from the Jeraldo Rivera Show your going to be in over your head. Trust me. marcel. still LOL. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:50:35 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Circle Game I have the greatest respect for Kate! Rock on, my friend! I have also been plagued by guilts about my burst of anger. It was provoked by things written to me such as: "uninformed people say stupid emotional things." It was also provoked by things that had been written to Kate. So in a Lead Balloon moment, I cried out "kiss my ass" or words to that effect. And as I re-read what I wrote yesterday, I stand by every word. But as well, I feel somehow that I broached, unintentionally but done nonetheless, a sense of the community that is here - normally. Steve and Bob's posts earlier today confirm that. And it makes me recall that I was here on the JMDL for months before I ever said my first word... and that was in the pc debate, when I quoted Joni in Killer Kyle (Beat of Black Wings, CMIARS) about not being able to hear the music because of the shouting. It is to be expected that we shall talk about great issues and great things in here, for Joni's people are not thought-less people; we think, we care, and we are involved. Joni's music demands no less. And now I have come full circle and joined the shouting that I first posted against. Some of you have been here a long time, some not very long. Certainly in the time that I have been here, you have become real friends to me. You share my passion for Joni, and you have amused me, informed me, touched me, and made me feel connected to some of the most thoughtful people that I know. Some of the posts on here are so witty, so eloquent, so moving, so informing. I know that my life, my attitudes, my feelings, have been changed in the very best way by others in the JMDL. I will not back done in my opinions, and no matter what else I am, Marcel, I am not an uninformed person saying stupid emotional things. When you say, Marcel, things to Kate such as > Now you may go back to reading Vanity Faire where > Im sure you get most of your information on politics. LOL. cheers > marcel." I may just be angry enough to boil over in passion, for you have speciously attacked someone who is my friend. Kate, you keep on fighting the fights that matter, which you do so well. So how do we stop the shouting? That I do not know. I have to conclude that some people just like to fight and that is not why I am here, or so many of us. We will not solve the world's problems in the JMDL, nor shall we do justice to ourselves by being silent in the JMDL I am not happy that I came full circle and became a shouter, but as in any family, shouting may happen at times. I was ready to quit the JMDL because I felt so badly about being a shouter. I am not quitting the JMDL because as I read every word I wrote yesterday, that is who I am, and I stand by what I said, and here I am, I can do no other. I am not quitting the JMDL for Kate, and for the others who wrote me privately to give me some words of support. I am planning my next post to be pure JC; I was delighted by the reactions to my Doobies post and my post on the newest singer in the Phillips family. I search the Internet, as others do too, to bring interesting things to the conversation and sit back and watch the wealth of insightful replies that are made. But when someone is flamed on, the fire may touch the flame-thrower. Those who wish to antagonize, they must be prepared for the response that they will get. I am an Italian from Chicago; mock my friends, and you have an argument with me. I can take it to the streets, as the Doobies mught say, although I am not always happy when I do so. I am not perfect. I fail to obtain the standards of the one that I serve, who came to bring peace. When I fail the peace test, I am convicted by my own self. But I cannot fail to speak when things need to be said. I ask my friends to understand. So now: I will shut up, closing with praise of Kate and all who fight the battles worth fighting. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:05:45 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC Circle Game > So now: I will shut up, closing with praise of Kate and all who fight the > battles worth fighting. From time to time there are people who post to this list for the sole purpose, I believe, of stirring things up. They like to provoke. They like to push people's buttons. As Joni might say, they like to make dancing clowns out of the rest of us. I have learned that (for me anyway) the best way to deal with these people is to ignore them. Isn't that the way to deal with an annoying person who constantly demands attention? In cyberspace we don't have this kind of person in our faces so there really isn't any reason for us to let them manipulate our emotions. We all have our delete keys. I know it's extremely difficult not to comment when you read something that is so incredibly inflammatory and inane that you want to scream. I have been baited this way before. But I try to avoid it. With some people, the more you argue with them, the more evidence you confront them with that shows their stance to be completely groundless, the more they will cling to that stance and argue on. Drop it. Don't give them the satisfaction. Please note that I have not named any names here. If you think this post is about you then all I can do is quote Carly Simon: YOU'RE SO VAIN YOU PROB'LY THINK THIS POST IS ABOUT YOU YOU'RE SO VAIN I BET YOU THINK THIS POST IS ABOUT YOU DON'T YOU? DON'T YOU? DON'T YOU? Hmmmm..... Maybe I should work up a little parody, here.... Mark in Seattle who is also tired of the gun debate but will not attempt to censor anybody and is a big advocate of NJC. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:07:14 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC on Guns: Marcel's response to being called a coward At least I now know you consider simple points of view to be "flames". Hey I didnt know you are "flame challenged". I am sincerely sorry. As for Jonis' "cross over appeal" Joni I am sure attracts intelligent people as well as emotional basket cases. There's something here for everyone. Lastly to call me a "coward" only demonstrates the propensity of liberals to resort to inflamatory name calling in lieu of argument so thanks for the demonstration. With undying respect and admiration. marcel. I have to go now theres a big sale on 155 Howitzers and stealth bombers I just cant miss out on. Oops did I accidentally 'flame' you, sorry again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:05:07 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: You're So Vain - NJC YOU'RE SO VAIN (You probably think this email's about you) a parody by Mark in Seattle You entered the discussion Like you were emailing Rush Limbaugh Your words strategically chosen to sound like That old black crow's piercing caw You had one eye on your spellcheck and You sure laid down the law And all the list screamed that You were a Nazi You were a Nazi and You're so vain You probably think this email's about you You're so vain I bet you think this email's about you Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Well you had me several posts ago Before I knew nettiquette Well you said my opinions were uninformed And told me that I was all wet But you gave away your true intent My buttons are re-set I had some screams but they'd Ruin my coffee Ruin my coffee and You're so vain You probably think this email's about you You're so vain I bet you think this email's about you Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Well I hear you tried out for Jerry Springer But he had enough crackpots Then you faxed your opinions to Sally Jesse Where you thought you could call all the shots Well you shoot your mouth off all the time And when your foot gets caught You mumble and drool and Offend all your close friends Offend all your close friends and You're so vain You probably think this emails about you You'rs so vain (so vain!) I bet you think this email's about you Dont' you? Don't you? Don't you, now............. You're so vain You probably think this email's about you You're so vain You probably think this email's about you You're so vain.......(fade out) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:21:37 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: Re: NJC Circle Game After the rally in Denver a few weeks ago, I wrote a letter to the editor of a few local newspapers describing my experiences that day. It wasn't quite the "Us-versus-Them" event that perhaps I had been expecting. (Is it ever?) In part, I wrote: "...It was a powerful experience being part of such a massive gathering, all of us angry and grieving, and looking for a constructive way to be 'part of the solution.' Now let me address those of you among us, as well as some NRA members, who are 'part of the problem.' If you made fun of Charlton Heston's acting and hairpiece, or the paunch of a lone pro-gun demonstrator...or the size of a gun-owner's [use your own euphemism]...or if you resorted to name-calling... YOU are part of the problem, regardless of where you stand on the gun issue. You degrade yourselves and each other, and you demean a crucial debate..." No matter what we're talking about here on the JMDL, many issues are bound to get the hackles up of some. Being understood through the written word is always a challenge. The point is to maintain a sense of dignity, not for decorum's sake, but because it demonstrates self-respect and the respect of those with whom we disagree. Personal insults and flames are a potential (though not inevitable) pitfall of debates of any kind. And they invariably reveal far more about the thrower than the intended target. Thanks to the Rev. Vince for sharing his passion, his memories of his cousin, and his kind and conciliatory words and efforts both on- and off-list. And thanks for your friendship! (I can spot a fellow Chicagoan a mile away!) Mark, you sing a mean Carly tune...! (I HAD thought it was about Warren Beatty!^) And thanks to Heather-on-the-mend, with love! A defector from the petty wars, Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:13:22 +1000 From: Nicholas Bates Subject: joni tribute in Sydney I seem to have missed the original notice about the Joni tribute which is going to be in Sydney. I have scanned the what's on guide of today's newspaper but can't find anything. Can someone spread some light on this? Nicholas in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:28:10 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: A Reminder... Joniphiles - The following is excerpted from the introductory message everyone receives upon becoming a member of the JMDL (available at http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni.info). From the "List Etiquette" section: 4) Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance: To debate is divine, to personally insult really sucks... We are a very diverse bunch. In a nutshell, respect another's opinion and they will respect yours. It is not acceptable to personally insult someone publicly on the list. 7) Do not post another person's private email to the list without their permission. Thanks, Les NP - Tom Waits "Mule Variations" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:34:26 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: TTT songbook In a message dated 5/13/1999 4:53:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, haw@ph.ed.ac.uk writes: << Yes, the new songbook's out at last! Just to follow on from Wally's message about the TTT songbook, I wanted to say that I'm interested to get any feedback on the guitar performance notes that I wrote for the book. It was tough to try and include as much useful imformation about Joni's picking style and rhythms etc in the limited space that I was given, but I hope the notes are useful. >> Can we order the book from Wally's site at CD NOW? I am kinda confused about the whole thing..HELP ME! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:02:57 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: R-E-S-P-E-C-T... Find out what it means to me: GOING HARD ON THE ISSUES AND SOFT ON THE PEOPLE...In the end, when one is laying curled mega-peacefully on one's right side in order to see the light better, ONLY COMPASSION MATTERS... If anyone has a problem with respecting and embracing differences here then I do suggest a long walk off a short pier to the Dulson tones of our SoCal serenading squad ;~D Thankyou for your R-E-S-P-E-C-T! Susan L.A. Honey McBabe/Georgia 2-"...At times like these the wise are influential They can bear the imperfections They can keep the harmony..."-That Joni ;~D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:57:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: You're So Vain - NJC this post is a f--ing keeper!!!!! wallyk, who doesn't think the post is about him, though he is surely one vain doll ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:11:43 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: Re: NJC Circle Game Kate, Rev., heed Mark's advice. I beg to differ with the two of you but I surely don't agree with Marcel's logic(?). You have explained your position well Kate and I envy your passion. take care gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark or Travis To: Vince Lavieri ; Kate Tarasenko ; Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 6:05 PM Subject: Re: NJC Circle Game > > So now: I will shut up, closing with praise of Kate and all who > fight the > > battles worth fighting. > > >From time to time there are people who post to this list for the sole > purpose, I believe, of stirring things up. They like to provoke. > They like to push people's buttons. As Joni might say, they like to > make dancing clowns out of the rest of us. I have learned that (for > me anyway) the best way to deal with these people is to ignore them. > Isn't that the way to deal with an annoying person who constantly > demands attention? In cyberspace we don't have this kind of person in > our faces so there really isn't any reason for us to let them > manipulate our emotions. We all have our delete keys. > > I know it's extremely difficult not to comment when you read something > that is so incredibly inflammatory and inane that you want to scream. > I have been baited this way before. But I try to avoid it. With some > people, the more you argue with them, the more evidence you confront > them with that shows their stance to be completely groundless, the > more they will cling to that stance and argue on. Drop it. Don't > give them the satisfaction. > > Please note that I have not named any names here. If you think this > post is about you then all I can do is quote Carly Simon: > > YOU'RE SO VAIN > YOU PROB'LY THINK THIS POST IS ABOUT YOU > YOU'RE SO VAIN > I BET YOU THINK THIS POST IS ABOUT YOU > DON'T YOU? > DON'T YOU? > DON'T YOU? > > Hmmmm..... Maybe I should work up a little parody, here.... > > Mark in Seattle who is also tired of the gun debate but will not > attempt to censor anybody and is a big advocate of NJC. > > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #214 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?