From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #204 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, May 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 204 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Re[2]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] NJC AB FAB in Britain, and Helen Fielding, too (NJC) [evian ] Re: Artifice, Brutality and Innocence (JC?) ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Favourites lyrics - NJC [catman ] Re[2]: the Bill Haley connection [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Re[2]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now [Don Rowe ] Re: NJC AB FAB in Britain, and Helen Fielding, too (NJC) [jan gyn ] Today in Joni History - May 7 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Re[4]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now [Don Rowe ] Re: Re[4]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Influential Artists NJC [Don Rowe ] Joni Fest (NJC) [michael paz ] Heeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Baaaaaaaaaaaaaccccck! (NJC) [michael paz ] Re: Influential Artists NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Ab Fab (NJC) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Re: the Bill Haley connection ["Mark or Travis" ] Years and tears [Scott Price ] JM on "WOW WOW" [Manno Toshikazu ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 03:20:59 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) (NJC) In a message dated 5/5/99 1:33:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > David seeks relief from fundamental boredom asking: > > < unappreciated, obscure, specialized, unique artist(s) of the decade(s)? > Artists who would never in a million years appear on "artist(s) of the > decade(s)" lists? Sam Phillips The Stone Coyotes (Elmore Leonard based his new book about the music industry on this trio who live in my neck of the woods. Please check them out if you can. They play in LA and NYC clubs quite a bit.The lead singer/songwriter is a woman in her 50s so you know they'll never make it. Her voice which reminds me of Grace Slick) Sebadoh (indie rock band whose leader sites Joni as an influence, along with Jim Croce and the Carpenters) Dolly Parton - Laugh if you wish, but I think she's a very good songwriter and her voice is oh, so pretty! She also appears to be a very witty and gracious person. June Tabor -That haunting voice never fails to make me stop dead in my tracks Dulce Pontes - You'll only know what you've been missing if you have the good fortune to hear a recording by her, or better yet to see her perform. She is from my native Portugal. She sings modern interpretations of the traditional music called Fado. She is one of kd lang's favorite singers. Her voice will send shivers up your spine and you don't have to know the language to appreciate what she communicates. She also sings contemporary songs in which her vocal style takes on that sort of "voice theatrics" (I don't know what to call it) that Michael Stipe is known for and also, I think, Jane Siberry. I saw her perform last summer in Lisbon. She is known for performing in bare feet, as she likes to feel as close to the ground as is possible. Juliana Hatfield - Whatever happened to her? That little girl voice was deceptive at first listen but she really grew on me. I could never understand why she was obsessed with that twit Evan Dando but such is love. Sorry if I offended any Lemonheads fans. On another topic and entirely unrelated, perhaps self-indulgent: This morning on my commute to work I saw a deer running alongside the road for about a quarter of a mile, almost parallel to my car. I stayed a little distance behind it so as not to frighten it and to allow it to cross because the stretch it was running along was a rocky hillside and the animal had no place to run away to. Once it finally crossed the road, it did one of those dramatic, graceful leaps over a little stone fence and scampered off into the woods. I've seen deer grazing often and crossing in front of my headlights (which is frightening) but I'd never seen the graceful leap. So glad to have been witness to this beauty. One never grows jaded with these lovely moments. I was running like a white-assed deer Running to lose the blues to the innocence in here Gina (wired but happy) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 01:22:53 -0600 From: evian Subject: NJC AB FAB in Britain, and Helen Fielding, too (NJC) Speaking of British comedy shows, I thought I would just sorta turn the conversation over to see if anyone else on the list has read Helen Fielding's BRIDGET JONES'S DIARY? This is the funniest book I have read in years!!! I woke my wife up in bed one night from my hysterical laughter. Please, if you need a good laugh, pick up this book! I would love to write a male version of it! Evian np: "Tender Love" -- Force MDs p.s. Ashara darling, I am going to force you to read this book if it's the last thing I do! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 20:15:45 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NJC AB FAB in Britain, and Helen Fielding, too (NJC) Evian wrote: >Speaking of British comedy shows, I thought I would just sorta turn the >conversation over to see if anyone else on the list has read Helen >Fielding's BRIDGET JONES'S DIARY? This is the funniest book I have read >in years!!! I woke my wife up in bed one night from my hysterical >laughter. Please, if you need a good laugh, pick up this book! I would >love to write a male version of it! Read it (about 4 times now!), love it, and totally agree with you! One of the funniest things I've ever read, and I also recommend it to anyone and everyone! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:57:05 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: the Bill Haley connection - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki >Philip, this is a tough one. Is it "Corrina, Corrina" from A Bird that >Whistles? > >> Now the JC trivia. Which Bill Haley tune does Joni quote from ? > Good guess Kakki but I don't know if Bill Haley ever recorded "Corrina, Corrina". The line I was thinking of was "you dance with the lady with a hole in her stocking" which is taken from a Bill Haley song called Dance With A Dolly (dolly being the preferred term for lady in Bill Haley's world). Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 01:28:49 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: NJC: Taj Mahal / Blues Yeah, I know the Natural Blues LP..... still one of my favorites. From '67 to about '71, I mostly listened to blues and folk. With the exception of the original bluesmen (Howlin' Wolf, B.B. King, Albert King, Little Walter.... various Delta and Chicago blues artists), I listened to mostly English blues bands. John Mayall is probably one of the most underrated artists of the '60s - as many of you know, several heavy-hitters were with him before going out on their own and becoming Super Stars. Speaking of which, how many of you have heard the first couple of Fleetwood Mac LPs with Peter Green? Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 02:09:20 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Artifice, Brutality and Innocence (JC?) RADJSHARP@aol.com <> My thought exactly! When I first read Don's GREAT post I couldn't help but think that, having been off list for a while, nobody objected to his *violating* the latest NJC factor (which I support 69% BTW). But even though Don didn't even mention Joni once, the entire post radiated JC.... E.T. NP: Talk To Me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 02:04:58 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: NJC re: NJC -- Does NATO = NAZI? --NJC Al Date wrote: > The Serbs were bombed mercilessly by the Nazis, 60 years ago. As far as they are concerned, NATO=NAZI. In my limited viewing of TV coverage on this war, I have seen footage of a number of East European demonstrations within which people carried signs comparing NATO to Nazis and Clinton to Hitler. I am also in communication with a number of Russians and other citizens of former USSR States, and some of them see it this way. > A tiny number of people may use a gun (or any tool) irresponsibly. The vast majority use them > responsibly. According to FBI statistics, less than one half of one percent of the guns in the USA are used in crimes, and only a small fraction of that small number are used to kill. > The laws are already on the books to prevent minors from owning guns. According to a recent (April 29) AP article, there are presently over 30,000 gun laws in the USA (Fed, state and local). > When the Kosovars had semi-autonomy after 1980, the Serb minority was scapegoated and forced out, in an > attempt to ethnically cleanse Kosovo. The KLA proclaimed a Greater Albania, including parts ofSerbia. > Kosovars within the Yugoslav Army committed many acts of destruction. My understanding is that as recently as one and a half years ago, the US Govt had the KLA on its list of terrorist organizations. Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:52:57 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Ab Fab (NJC) Thin Blue Line-terrible and offensive to many. Written, and I still can't believe it, by Ben Elton who made his name as a right on alternative comedian, definately lefty and pc and then goes and writes this tripe with one of the most stereotypical and offensive to gays, gay character seen on tv for many years. I find it really disappointing that such people as Ben elton sell out. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:59:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Favourites lyrics - NJC a line I have always loved for it's pure bitchiness is: 'drunk and lying with the gutter in her face'. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:22:30 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: the Bill Haley connection Kakki answers: >Philip, this is a tough one. Is it "Corrina, Corrina" from A Bird that >Whistles? > >> Now the JC trivia. Which Bill Haley tune does Joni quote from ? And Philip replies: ****Good guess Kakki but I don't know if Bill Haley ever recorded "Corrina, Corrina". The line I was thinking of was "you dance with the lady with a hole in her stocking" which is taken from a Bill Haley song called Dance With A Dolly (dolly being the preferred term for lady in Bill Haley's world).**** Bill Haley DID in fact record "Corrina, Corrina" (I think his version is titled "Corrine, Corrina") It's on a two record best of I've had for a while - great one Kakki, that trivia was driving me crazy... And Philip your answer was REALLY good trivia - although I always think of that line as originally being from the old "Buffalo Gals" 'I danced with a lady with a hole in her stocking, And her knees kept a knockin' And her toes kept a rockin' Danced with a lady with a hole in her stocking, We danced by the light of the moon' And of course, if said moon was "at the window" at the time, she's quoted the song twice! :~) Bob, thinking of more trivia questions... NP: Rickie Lee Jones, "The Real End" (And there's ANOTHER underappreciated 80's artist; How could "Chuck E" be a hit and not some of the stuff off Magazine, Pirates, Flying Cowboys? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Re[2]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now Maybe I > should've picked Joni as > obscure for the 80's as her 80's stuff all tanked > commercially...:~) > Not so ... "My Secret Place", unless I miss my guess, ranks as her highest rated single on the charts since the C&S days. I shall now duck and cover from the slings and arrows of the *true* Joni scholars. I stole that from Willy the Shake ... you know -- ;-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:08:39 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: New address NJC My new e-mail address is rustytrazom@hotmail.com Thanks, Russ Bowden in SF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:29:35 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: NJC AB FAB in Britain, and Helen Fielding, too (NJC) At 01:22 AM 5/6/99 -0600, you wrote: >Speaking of British comedy shows, I thought I would just sorta turn the >conversation over to see if anyone else on the list has read Helen >Fielding's BRIDGET JONES'S DIARY? This is the funniest book I have read >in years!!! I woke my wife up in bed one night from my hysterical >laughter. Please, if you need a good laugh, pick up this book! I would >love to write a male version of it! >Evian >np: "Tender Love" -- Force MDs BJ's Diary was funny. The closest y chromosome version I've read recently would probably be Hornby's 'About a Boy'. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:56:36 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC AB FAB in Britain, and Helen Fielding, too (NJC) In a message dated 5/6/1999 12:28:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us writes: << Speaking of British comedy shows, I thought I would just sorta turn the >conversation over to see if anyone else on the list has read Helen >Fielding's BRIDGET JONES'S DIARY? This is the funniest book I have read >in years!!! I woke my wife up in bed one night from my hysterical >laughter. Please, if you need a good laugh, pick up this book! I would >love to write a male version of it! >Evian >np: "Tender Love" -- Force MDs BJ's Diary was funny. The closest y chromosome version I've read recently would probably be Hornby's 'About a Boy'. -jan >> Ok here is one for ya. Has any one seen *Strangers with Candy* It is a very bizaar show on Comedy Central. Watch it sometime, it is strange but addictive! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:06:50 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[4]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now Don Juanders: <<"My Secret Place", unless I miss my guess, ranks as her highest rated single on the charts since the C&S days. I shall now duck and cover from the slings and arrows of the *true* Joni scholars.>> While I believe that, it's still a pretty misleading statistic, I mean it's not like the song was #4 with a bullet or anything, I never heard it played as a single (not that THAT means anything)....and don't take my comments to mean this work isn't good, I don't want to open up that can 'o worms. Matter of fact, DED is in the car player right now - I heard "Smokin'" this morning coming in to work, and as much as I don't care for it, there is a neat little germ of an idea there...the cigarette machine as a percussive instrument, the Larry Klein "Flea-like" bass riffs thrown in, this track actually could've gone someplace. Had Joni expanded the song lyrically so that the craving for nicotine in an empty cigarette machine becomes metaphor for searching for satisfaction and fulfillment in an unsatisfying and unfulfilling world. But she didn't, so the track becomes a throwaway novelty... Bob NP: Michelle Malone, "Long Long Century" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:19:53 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: RE: NJC AB FAB in Britain, and Helen Fielding, too (NJC) >Speaking of British comedy shows, I thought I would just sorta turn the >conversation over to see if anyone else on the list has read Helen >Fielding's BRIDGET JONES'S DIARY? This is the funniest book I have read >in years!!! I woke my wife up in bed one night from my hysterical >laughter. Please, if you need a good laugh, pick up this book! I would >love to write a male version of it! >Evian >np: "Tender Love" -- Force MDs I LOVED BJ's Diary. I didn't want it to end!! Maybe she'll do a sequel? Jenaya http://www.playnetwork.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:10:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: NJC British shows Wasn't Joanna Lumley the woman in The New Avengers? Now that's a British series that will be a LEGEND for ever [ I don't mean the NEW avengers but The Avengers, especially the Diana Rigg seasons] . When I was about 8, I was totally hooked on The Avengers. At school we re-enacted every episode during recess [that is, we the blasphemous set: those of us that didn't want to play soccer]. The funny thing was that all the kids wanted to be Emma Peel!!! What a bunch of little queens we all were. I've never seen AB FAB, but your talk made me so curious that I ordered the complete series last night [ it's about $85 on Amazon.com ]. Though Canadian [which makes them what, semi-British?], The Kids in the Hall used to have this Monty Python touch that made their shows wacky and addictive. My parents are so lucky that the KITH didn't exist when I was 8. I use old KITH tapes with my English students all the time. I hope AB FAB will prove just as pedagogical. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:55:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - May 7 1983: Joni performs at Verona Arena in Italy 1996: Joni attends a Polar Prize press conference. An excerpt: Question: What does your art mean to the music? Joni: What does the painting mean? Well, it was a farmer's trick for the most part, [alternating fields for planting] ... with the music I am very prolific. I can sit down and play an instrument and the music would pour out. As a writer of lyrics, as a poet, less prolific. It's a slower process. It's more subject to blockage. So frequently when I would come to a writer's block I would take to the brushes so as not to notice. Generally in that process, which leaves the mind quite vacuous, wonderfully empty, you know--RED IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER--NYUH, NYUH, NYUH--BLUE IN THE LOWER LEFT--the clearing of the mind in that way when you turn it back to the meditation required to write the text for the songs, the mind would be refreshed. So I used it mostly in that manner. 1997: (from Wally's bio): Joni was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame [today] in Cleveland but she did not attend the proceedings. Jann Wenner, co-founder of both the Hall of Fame and "Rolling Stone" magazine, gave a few opening remarks about Joni Mitchell and her place in music history, and then showed her induction film. Following the thunderous applause for the film (Go Norm!), he introduced singer-songwriter Shawn Colvin. Before beginning her induction speech, Shawn sang a terrific live version of "Free Man In Paris" that was quite true to Joni's original on the album "Court and Spark." Speaking off-the-cuff after the song, a nervous Shawn proved she's a huge Joni Mitchell fan by her opening statement: "Joni's an artist who has meant just absolutely the world to me." Shawn then related that she was introduced to Joni's music when she was 13: "I went to church-camp and some 14 year olds told me that I was really nowhere unless I'd heard Joni Mitchell. So I went and bought the album "Clouds" ...and it changed my life." Graham Nash then accepted for Joni with a short but eloquent speech that began: "For the last half of my life, Crosby has been getting me into deep shit. It was never truer than when in 1966 (it was actually 1967), he introduced me to a woman that I fell madly in love with after looking at her, and listening one on one to at least 20 of the most fabulous songs that I'd ever heard in my life and there was no question that this woman was a force to be reckoned with." He defended Joni's inclusion as a rocker by saying : "...She's a very tough lady and she's always been a rock and roller at heart. She's always been and wanted to be one of the boys." He mentioned that Joni has had quite a tremendous year beginning with her 2 Grammy Awards in February 1996. He then added that one of the reasons that Joni wasn't there at the ceremonies was because she's still enjoying bonding with her daughter Kilauren after being reunited 32 years after she gave her up for adoption. Later during the all-star jam that ends every Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony, James Taylor performed "Woodstock," which was a #11 hit for Crosby, Stills & Nash in 1970 and is one of many songs written by Joni that became a hit single for someone else. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Re[4]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now Bob responds -- > While I believe that, it's still a pretty > misleading statistic, I mean > it's not like the song was #4 with a bullet or > anything, I never heard > it played as a single (not that THAT means > anything).... Oh I don't think so. What may be misleading is that, since "My Secret Place" did get quite a bit of airplay, at least on several progressive Dallas radio stations of the time, most people probably thought of it as a Peter Gabriel song with Joni, instead of the other way around! But I takes 'em where I can get 'em - -- ya know. Don Rowe np: The Fixx--Walkabout _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:14:03 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favourites lyrics - NJC One of my favs is: "I'll jump to my conclusions, but I'll leap to your defense.." Anyone know? Trey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:27:58 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Influential Artists NJC Jenaya Dawe wrote: > > 80's > Solo-Madonna (hands down, no one else was as influential in pop music in the > 80's, .... Really? Most popular, yes. But most influential? Who are her "descendants"? Since reading Michael Y's past passionate defenses of Madonna, I can't dismiss her as I once did and even bought Ray of Light recently (the influence of this list is downright scary). But I can't remember those posts clearly enough now to think of Madonna as the most influential artist of the 80s. So my sincerely asked question is, what artist's music would not exist if Madonna never existed? > Blondie fits in there > somewhere... I can't decide whether they were influential or influenced. > Any thoughts on this? My vote's on the influential side. I don't think Madonna (as an artist) would exist if Blondie never existed. Madonna looked like a Debbie Harry copy when she first started and her music sounded like a bland, appeal-to-the-very-young-mainstream, poppier version of Blondie. Then again, since I was a big fan of Blondie and was never very interested in Madonna's music or her public persona, I may be completely wrong about this. Has anyone mentioned the influence of Lou Reed and the Velvet Underground? Hard to imagine Patti Smith, REM or Kurt Cobaine existing without the gritty, world-weary, ugly honest, dirty sexy songs of Lou Reed. He lived in and sang about the shadows. So wasn't his music the start of alternative rock? Or punk rock? Music history, organizing and categorizing in general isn't one of my talents, but I just hate to see someone as original as Lou Reed be ignored. Debra Shea Taking a break from thinking about gun control, research, legislation... NP: Lou Reed, Perfect Night Live in London, which includes a wonderful love song "I'll be your mirror." Man, the guy's gettin soft. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:20:51 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now In a message dated 5/6/1999 1:13:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << "My Secret Place", unless I miss my guess, ranks as her highest rated single on the charts since the C&S days. I shall now duck and cover from the slings and arrows of the *true* Joni scholars.>> While I believe that, it's still a pretty misleading statistic, I mean it's not like the song was #4 with a bullet or anything, I never heard it played as a single (not that THAT means anything)....and don't take >> I was bartending some many years ago and at the end of the night on VH-1 they played her video *My secret place* I have never seen it befor or since. Does anyone have that? It was very cool. She was wrapped in a long indian blanket and kept going into a Tee-pee or something like that. I would love to get a copy of that. Also, will any one come forward with a Van Gogh ear? Who ever has one and would like to trade for something. I got something that would make you flip your wig or ear!!!!!! Catgirl... or ear feddish girl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Influential Artists NJC > My vote's on the influential side. I don't think > Madonna (as an artist) > would exist if Blondie never existed. Okay, I'll jump on this, because I know that even if I get stomped, evian will at least come to my defense! Would either of these ladies have existed without Stevie Nicks? Oooh I think not ... and now I also think I hear those NATO NAZI warplanes headed in my direction ... so back into my foxhole!! ;-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:53:02 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Joni Fest (NJC) Greetings- I am off to Orange Beach for the weekend so don't do anything significant whilst I'm away. I am still looking for a guest list to the Labor Day Extravaganza. Marian are you coming?? Are the Chili's coming???? Can we do a field trip to Atty May's? How about a ghost hunt? Sorry about the post here, but I figured we are still trying to attract some newbies into coming. Have a great weekend all! Michael NP-Right Here Right Now-On The Infernal Office RADIO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:55:16 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Heeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Baaaaaaaaaaaaaccccck! (NJC) Hello All- It appears Al Date is back from the trenches and is bombing relentlessly. Party On Al! Always a different twist to get the juices flowing. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:43:47 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Influential Artists NJC In a message dated 5/6/99 3:30:54 PM Central Daylight Time, dskARTS@concentric.net writes: << So my sincerely asked question is, what artist's music would not exist if Madonna never existed? >> Not that I'm a fan, but The Spice Girls & Brittney Spears would seem to be Madonna-dependant... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 20:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: al_date@email.com Subject: NJC --How NATO is perceived by Serb students -- NJC > > > >Dear friends, > >We are Students Union of Serbia and we have decided to take this > >desperate step of writing to people around the world about suffering of > >our people. Events we are describing You in this letter took place in > >last 5 days and these events represents the worst kind of atrocities our > >country suffered since Nazis attacked us in second World War. You can > >find pictures and films of everything written here on our web-site > >www.students.org.yu and we are willing to answer to all Your comments > >and questions to union@students.org.yu. No one has answered my question: HOW WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR CITY TO BE BOMBED BACK TO THE STONEAGE FOR SOMETHING THAT BILL CLINTON HAD DONE? - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:18:27 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Influential Artists NJC > > > My vote's on the influential side. I don't think > > Madonna (as an artist) > > would exist if Blondie never existed. > > Okay, I'll jump on this, because I know that even if I > get stomped, evian will at least come to my defense! > Would either of these ladies have existed without > Stevie Nicks? Oooh I think not ... and now I also > think I hear those NATO NAZI warplanes headed in my > direction ... so back into my foxhole!! ;-) And *none* of them, from Stevie to Patti Smith to Chrissie Hynde to Debbie Harry to Madonna to Courtney Love would be where they are if it hadn't been for Janis Joplin, Tina Turner and...........(drum roll please)............Grace Slick. Before those women came along was there really such a thing as a female rock-n-roll singer? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:54:32 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: the Bill Haley connection > The line I was thinking of was "you dance with the lady with > a hole in her stocking" which is taken from a Bill Haley song called > Dance With A Dolly (dolly being the preferred term for lady in Bill > Haley's world). Wow Philip - this *is* a new one for me. My illusions are shattered ;-) I always thought Joni was the originator of the torn nylons theme which runs throughout a number of her songs. Finding these little liftings from Haley and the Everly's has got me intrigued as to what other obscure little references Joni has made in her lyrics. One lyric that has always made me wonder (because I could swear I've heard it somewhere else in the R&B world) is "woman she bounce back easy, but a man can break both his legs" from the song "You Dream Flat Tires". Anyone have a clue about this one? Kakki NP: Johnny Rivers - Closer to You (I love him but I liked him better when he did songs like Secret Agent Man. Why does he want to be so country - he's more than that - oh well) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 20:05:02 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Influential Artists NJC Mark said it: > And *none* of them, from Stevie to Patti Smith to Chrissie Hynde to > Debbie Harry to Madonna to Courtney Love would be where they are if it > hadn't been for Janis Joplin, Tina Turner and...........(drum roll > please)............Grace Slick. Before those women came along was > there really such a thing as a female rock-n-roll singer? Mark, I've wracked my brain and I'm stumped to think of any other predecessor. All the girls were doing soul, R&B or the girl group thing before Gracie, Tina and Janis. Got to give a special mention to Dusty, too. While not a rock and roller, she definitely brought big individual presence to the table. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 14:01:49 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: Ab Fab (NJC) catman wrote: > Thin Blue Line-terrible and offensive to many. Written, and I still can't believe > it, by Ben Elton who made his name as a right on alternative comedian, definately > lefty and pc and then goes and writes this tripe with one of the most > stereotypical and offensive to gays, gay character seen on tv for many years. I > find it really disappointing that such people as Ben elton sell out. > bw > colin I understand what you mean but I was under the impression that the character (for the life of me I can't think what his name is?) was in lust/love with Constable Habibi? That like the character from Veronica's Closet, (Josh) he had 'gay' mannerisms or effeminate characteristics but was in fact, heterosexual? I don't know much about comedy but I assumed that using stereotypes can be a form of humour? Like satire. I never took it seriously and just enjoyed it's sense of fun. Vanessa N.P. suburbia. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:10:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: the Bill Haley connection > > Finding these little liftings from Haley and the Everly's has got me > intrigued as to what other obscure little references Joni has made in her > lyrics. It's not an exact quote but the idea is the same: talking about Love in 'Moon at the Window' Joni says that people: Turn it off and on like a bathtub faucet and in 'Fine & Mellow' Billie said: Love is just like a faucet It turns off & on Sometimes when you think it's on, Baby It has turned off and gone.... Mark iin Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:42:24 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: Miles of Aisles Just got and listened to Joni's Miles of Aisles for the first time. Wow! Do I miss that Lady live. Going to start saving aluminum cans, eat Top Ramen, hitch rides, and do what I have to do to save some money, cause I'm not going to miss that Lady again when (wishing) she comes back around. Guess misery likes company, that's why I'm posting. take care gene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 22:09:23 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Years and tears It's been nearly a year. When I was a child a year seemed like an eternity. Now I measure time in decades. As in "been enraptured with Joni's artistry for nearly three decades." Today a bitterly cold wind blew through, very suddenly. What started out as a warm spring day turned into a raw afternoon. I remember the weather from a year ago. It was overcast, but warm. Our six-hour journey that day took us through a Cascade Mountain pass. The snow was mostly gone; just a few patches where the sun didn't reach. As we descended the other side of the mountain the countryside underwent a radical change. Largely barren, a stark landscape. And then, the river. The mighty Columbia. This river measures time in eons. It's millions of years old. And during that time it has carved out a path through the land...in some places a cavernous swath. Our destination, the gorge, comes just after a gentle bend in that glorious river. It's hundreds of feet deep, and thousands of yards across. Trillions of gallons of water have passed through there over the ages. It's a big place! In that venue, on that spring evening, was a sight and sound I'll never forget. I remember the concrete floor, the chairs, the stage, and the people in the immediate vicinity. Even though a year has passed I still recall the heavy gray cloud formations and the reddish-orange ribbon of a sunset on the horizon. And then she appeared. Something I thought I'd never have the chance to witness. Mezmerized. I couldn't take my eyes off her. The gentle breeze from the left (her right) sashayed her long blonde hair. It was the moment I had dreamed of for so long. And as she began strumming the guitar, I kept asking myself, "Is this real?" Then she started to sing, and I knew that it was finally happening. Joni...live and in person. After all those years. A huge chapter in my lifetime of musical experiences now complete. Sometimes you find a book that's so compelling you read it one more time. Maybe even again and again. So it is with this story. Such an incredible night, I want to return over and over. I can't believe it's been a year. Maybe that's because I have this chapter memorized, "by heart," as we used to say, and that makes it seem like only yesterday. I've never been affected like that by a performer. Struggling mightily to hold back the emotion, every hair standing on end as if struck by lightning, only Joni could script it so good. SIQUOMB. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:37:32 +0900 (JST) From: Manno Toshikazu Subject: JM on "WOW WOW" Hello all the JM fans. "WOW WOW" is the pay TV on BS channel in Japan. In May 11th, "Joni Mitchell in Concert '79" will be on-aired at this channel. It's recorded at the same place of S&L video. But it's 100min. program and the title is not "Shadows and Light". So I guess it's not edited video by JM. I'm looking forward to seeing it. I asked my brother to air-check it. Does this program is on-aired in your country? After seeing this program, I'll report it. P.S. I also bought 'In The Evening with JM' and 'S&L (Complete Edition)' by Laser Disk. Best Regards Manno Toshikazu ---Music, The Final Frontier--- jacopas@geocities.co.jp http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/7219/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #204 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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