From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #203 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, May 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 203 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Artist(s) of the Decade(s) (NJC) [David Wright ] Re: Blues song (NJC) [David Wright ] Re[2]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] RE: Joni's Jazz in Central Park ["Wally Kairuz" ] Members of Dylan's band (NJC). ["John Low" ] RE: Influtential Artists/Artist(s) of the decade(s) [Jenaya Dawe ] RE: Insular NJC [Jenaya Dawe ] RE: Taj Mahal (NJC) [Jenaya Dawe ] Re: NJC -- Does NATO = NAZI? --NJC [Vince Lavieri ] (NJC) The haves and the have-nots [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: NJC -- Does NATO = NAZI? --NJC [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Ab Fab (NJC) [luvart@snet.net] Re: Ab Fab (NJC) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] NJC: Public schools, bomb threats [Sue ] Re: Joni's Jazz in Central Park [Ginamu@aol.com] Artifice, Brutality and Innocence [RADJSHARP@aol.com] Re: Ab Fab (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: First exam results NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Ab Fab (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Peggy Baker on JM [Robert Holliston ] Re: AB FAB in Britain (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Artist (s) of the Decade / Joni Trivia ["Kakki" ] Favourites lyrics - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Murray MacLaughlin [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Artist(s) of the Decade(s) (NJC) Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > > David seeks relief from fundamental boredom... How very existential of me...almost Beckett-ian. > Excellent idea David!! (But keep in mind that the idea was born of the > much more mundane thread...:~)) OK, Bob, you and Rolling Stone have my undying gratitude. I don't mean that I didn't enjoy some of the artist(s) of the decade(s) discussion (especially Evian's post about the '80s!), just...well, you know. It had occurred to me that we all hawk our favorite music so frequently on here (I *knew* you were going to pick XTC, Bob!) that "obscure" and "unappreciated" become kind of relative terms. But I know many of us have deep music collections...so I'm always ready to be pleasantly surprised. :) I enjoyed reading your list, Bob. I like the Red House Painters too, BTW (though I prefer their moodier early stuff, what little I've heard of it; their early 4AD albums seem to be out of print here and I can't find any of them). - --David (my list coming soon, I promise) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:46:12 -0400 (EDT) From: al_date@email.com Subject: NJC -- Does NATO = NAZI? --NJC CarltonCT@aol.com writes: > > We shouldn't care whether the war on Serbia is legal or not. Someone else ridiculed the idea of a "legal war," but neither of you has learned the lessons of history. First, the purpose of having a legally-declared war is so that the entire population--as represented by Congress--really understands the reason for sacrificing our sons (and maybe daughters), gets behind it 100%, and is willing to see it through. Nobody wants to fight and die for no good reason. If a war is undeclared, it may turn out to be a "one-man show," or an ill-conceived action by the Executive Branch; which is, after all, comprised of the same fallible humans you seek to disarm. In Vietnam, we were tricked into legality by the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. But in this case, there is not even lip-service to legality! In the second place, if we abdicate the Constitutional separation of powers, what do we have left? An elected military dictator, whose intentions *may* be good. Isn't it obvious what trend is developing here? > > Let's forget about countries and ethnicities > > and issues of sovereignty and take a hard > > look at the fact that one Balkan nation has been carrying out an ethnic > > cleansing program since the fall of the Soviet Empire. That program has > > meant the murder and expulsion of hundreds of thousands and that is plain, > > dead wrong. When the Kosovars had semi-autonomy after 1980, the Serb minority was scapegoated and forced out, in an attempt to ethnically cleanse Kosovo. The KLA proclaimed a Greater Albania, including parts ofSerbia. Kosovars within the Yugoslav Army committed many acts of destruction. That is why the civil war heated up and Milosevich was able to keep power. There is an article written in 1987, LONG BEFORE the current wave of propaganda from both sides, which accurately describes the situation as "bad guys on both sides." The Serbs had just began to "win" that civil war when the USA intervened with force, which has only hastened them to "mop up" instead of negotiate. > > If the question of legality is applied to all foreign affairs, then the Nazis > > had the right to persecute, enslave and murder all Jews, ethnic minorities > > and gays within their borders. Not under international law. Oh, but never mind legalities--according to you. > > > Tragically, the Nazi Germans succeeded all > > too well in their goals for over a decade because of the kind of thinking > > evident in a post from Al Date. I am offended by that remark, not only because it is a personal attack, but because the exact opposite is true. Hitler enacted gun registration and confiscation throughout Germany in 1936, which left the Jews, gays and minorities almost entirely defenseless from a criminal govt. If the SS had to deal with an armed population, would they have even considered such a plan? At the very least, they would've had to deal with ongoing internal insurrection, which would have hampered their war efforts. After gun confiscation, Krystal Nacht, and various statutory persecutions, the Nazis got the idea that the Jews were easy targets, and an easy source of revenue--and the Final Solution began in earnest. That's how the criminal mind works. It wasn't until a couple of hundred Jews re-armed themselves in the Warsaw Ghetto that the Nazis encountered any real resistance to the Holocaust. Those brave Jews eventually were killed, but they were never "rounded up," and they took literally hundreds of Nazis down with them. This was a major shock to the morale of the SS at a critical juncture of the war. > > What the Nazis did to the Jews, etc., was > > seen in this country by many people as > > > Germany's own internal affair. Most Americans had no idea what was going on behind enemy lines, because they relied entirely on govt propaganda for their information, and the Nazis did not freely distribute information related to the war effort. There was no independent media. American soldiers were shocked when they liberated the Camps. Of couse, people knew that there was all kinds of death and destruction, but it was better to just focus on whatever task was at hand. There was nothing that could be done by an individual anyway, except to do some job to win the war, which they set about to do. We had our own Camps, and our own prisoners of conscience. > > In the view of many Americans and politicians at the > >time, the United States should > > have remained neutral about a "European war." > >Sadly, it took an attack on the United > > States by the allies of the Germans > > before America came around. And there is a strong argument that if we had stayed out of WW1, that WW2 would never have started in Europe. > > If someone were attempting to murder or victimize me, I would want someone > > who could help me to do so instead of ponder whether it was legal or not to > > come to my aid. And would you want that person to be disarmed? > > Hopefully, the United Nations will truly evolve into a world government where > > we are all citizens of the world, and a serious crime against another human > > doesn't take into consideration outmoded ideas of nationality. We are all > > one people living on this planet. So, where is your ethical concern for China's ongoing genocide in Tibet, and Turkey/NATO genocide of the Kurds? Not to mention the millions in Africa. > > Milocevich makes a typical clannish > > mistake in assuming the Serbs are a separate people and that those who are > > not Serbs are lesser-than-Serbs and should be killed and brutalized. Historically, Milocevich is no different than any of the other "groups" in the Balkans. In fact, the Serbs were our sole allies against the Nazis, and they suffered mightily for it. > > It's a sad situation that NATO didn't do anything when the Serbs were > > expelling and killing the other "minorities" within what the Serbs laid out > > as their borders. We should be happy that at least something is happening > > now as the Serbs are finally opposed in their latest wave of aggression. > > Milocevich is the tyrant in charge of an efficient, cooperating army which > > has carried out his plans to kill or expel the perceived minorities in Serbia > > for many years. Certainly many Serbians are opposed to ethnic cleansing, > > but Milocevich would not have been successful at implementing his scheme > > without the cooperation of his countrymen. So show me how the bombing of innocent people in Serbia has accomplished ANYTHING positive in a humanitarian context. Imagine if someone was bombing YOU BACK TO THE STONE AGE for something that CLINTON HAD DONE! The Serbs were bombed mercilessly by the Nazis, 60 years ago. As far as they are concerned, NATO=NAZI. > > My hero George McGovern campaigned in 1972 to end the US war on what was > > then North Viet Nam, a war that was wrong for so many reasons. A short time > > later, he was for returning troops to nearby Cambodia when it was evident > > that millions of people were being killed by Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. > > But America had no "interests" in Cambodia, no available markets, no desire > > to return to a morass in South East Asia. Sadly, few people in America or > > elsewhere had little interest in stopping the Cambodian genocide that nearly > > equaled that of the European Jews. A matter of 4 million murders was just a > > statistic and the Cambodian's own problem. Disarming civilians is not the solution to holocausts; in fact, it is typically the precursor. > > It has been a very short while since the US and NATO began their campaign > > against Serbia. Wars usually take years. This idea that it's not working > > is a result of the instant effects we achieved in the war on Iraq. The > > campaign for the Kosovars will not fail, but even if were to, the citizens of > > the world have the obligation to show the Hitlers, Pol Pots and Milocevich's > > of the world, "We oppose you, and we will fight what you do." Better to go > > down trying for what is right then not do anything. Except that the bombing has only made the situation worse for the people on both sides; and your ethical concern is quite selective. It is totally hypocritical to let NATO-ally Turkey slaughter the Kurds while we welcome them as our allies in a "humanitarian war." Could it be that there is some ulterior motive behind this war--as has been the case in every war in history? Could there be a base in NATO's future which we cannot get from the Greeks? > > This same kind of retrograde thinking which falls back on legal procedure and > > adherence to certain documents is what's behind the issue of gun owner's > > rights. Members of the NRA cling to the Second Amendment as if it were > > carved into stone by the finger of God, or as if the Bill of Rights can't be > > altered. It can be, and it has been. Much has been made about whether the > > 2nd amendment was related to guns for a militia -- an army of citizens -- or > > just citizens. Either way, it doesn't matter, because what has been proven > > all too tragically at Columbine, is that people will use guns irresponsibly. A tiny number of people may use a gun (or any tool) irresponsibly. The vast majority use them responsibly. > > Where there are guns, there are dangers. > Where there is more than one human being, there is a danger, however remote. Since we have 300 million people, the odds are that quite a few will go ballistic, whether it is with a car, a bomb, a knife, a hammer, fire, a chainsaw, or a firearm. That's why we have ARMED police. But if you think that the cops will always protect you at the critical moment, you are sadly mistaken--and dead. > > No nation is free of violence, but > > the statistics are irrefutable -- gun control works. > The statistics that I am familiar with indicates that where guns are allowed to be carried around by common citizens, crime drops by over 50%. > If you would like, I can forward you the entire story about how Israel stopped school terrorism, in spite of being in a war zone. > > > My right and your right > > to life is more important than someone's right to own, sell or manufacture > > hand guns or an automatic weapon like the one used in Colorado because > > eventually those weapons will fall into the wrong hands. > But most weapons remain in responsible hands, which can deter crime, or come to your aid when you are attacked. Or do you want only your attacker to be armed? > > > Only a blind idiot > > would try and dispute that now -- it's human nature to kill. Guns make it > > very easy for us to give into our murderous impulses or to carry out schemes. > > Regardless of its recent problems with bombs, Great Britain has a fraction > > of our homicide rate. It is also a nation of hunters where sportsmen (I hate > > to call it that) have the right to use and own rifles, the Royal Family being > > prominent among them. > Irrelevant, because highly-armed Switzerland also has a fraction of our murder rate. It is clearly a question of who has the guns, not the guns themselves. > > > To those who are stupidly mentioning the obvious, that something has gone > > wrong in the raising of those who abuse these weapons, get a fucking clue. > > The horse is out of the barn. We can't re-parent an entire generation, but > > we can take away their access to guns. > The laws are already on the books to prevent minors from owning guns. "Only a blind idiot would dispute that now." - --Al Date NP -- The Pixies Bosanova - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:48:27 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: First exam results NJC Friends, please excuse if these lines don't make much sense -- unfortunately I seem to be somewhat drunk! A few people have asked me about my exam results. Well, today the envelope of the competent authority, the justice ministry of Lower Saxony was in the mail. Being absolutely convinced that I'd flunked these exams, I had to drink half a bottle of Australian Shiraz (Rosemount, 1995) in order to gain enough courage to open the envelope -- which I just did. Well, much to my surprise I didn't flunk! The marks are quite good, my worst being a C + and the best being a B + (average is D +) Now, I have to wait for the thesis results, and then there will be an important oral exam, contributing 40 % to the overall mark. Thought I'd let you know! Winfried, now drinking the rest of the bottle to celebratge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 17:05:31 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Blues song (NJC) David Lahm writes: > > How many of you know the Taj Mahal album The Natch'l Blues? > [snip] > Some of you LA women, you make me so doggone tired > Some of you LA women, you make me so doggone tired > You got a hand fulla "Gimme"; you got a mouth fulla "Much obliged!" Of course, this is a very old blues couplet. The great Bessie Smith (solo artist of the '20s, IMO) sings it in one of her early recordings -- "Gulf Coast Blues," I think. (She sings, "Some of you men, you sure do make me tired.") She was one of the deepest, most powerful singers ever, and yet one of the subtlest; she sings this couplet quietly, with a kind of exasperated amusement mixed with weary resignation. And there's a slight break in her voice as she holds out "obliged" that's just piercing. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 17:05:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) (NJC) David said: <> Yeah, but I wasn't hawking anything, I was just trying to be honest...I admitted I had that bias and didn't mean to use it as an opportunity to carry on about them...I could come up with some more obscure picks if that's really the heart of the thread. Maybe I should've picked Joni as obscure for the 80's as her 80's stuff all tanked commercially...:~) <<--David (my list coming soon, I promise)>> And hopefully many others - this is the best way to pick up on what we've missed along the way. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:17:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's Jazz in Central Park Annie Ross?!?!?!? Is she still singing? That's absolutely fantastic. She must be at least 70. I wonder if she'll do Twisted. WallyK - -----Original Message----- De: Dflahm@aol.com Para: JRMCo1@aol.com CC: joni@smoe.org Fecha: Miércoles 5 de Mayo de 1999 07:40 Asunto: Re: Joni's Jazz in Central Park >Outside of Hendricks & Ross, where are the JAZZ musicians on this roster? >Just asking. LAHM > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:21:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: First exam results NJC Way to go Winnie!!!! Don't be too drunk for the orals, though. WallyK, formerly a famous dramatic soprano ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:56:30 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: Members of Dylan's band (NJC). Marian asked for information on the musicians in Dylan's band. It is only on David Kemper, the drummer, that I have anything to share. He was for a time a member of the Jerry Garcia Band and was certainly a part of this band in the late 1980s. I have their "Almost Acoustic" CD (1988)and he is credited in the line-up for the 1987 concert featured on this recording. I saw Dylan and his band in Sydney last September. He is certainly on a new high both creatively ("Time Out of Mind" is IMO a mature and intelligent album)and performance wise. John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:36:05 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: RE: Influtential Artists/Artist(s) of the decade(s) OK, so I've been thinking and thinking and thinking about this thread, but I didn't come up with anything revolutionary.... and also couldn't limit myself to one... 60s Solo-Bob Dylan Band-The Beatles (also: The Beach Boys, The Animals, The Stones) 70s Solo-Joni (though also Stevie Wonder, JT, Paul Simon and David Bowie come to mind) Band-Bee Gees (runners-up: The Eagles, ABBA, Wings, Pink Floyd) 80's Solo-Madonna (hands down, no one else was as influential in pop music in the 80's, although I will concede PE's "It Takes A Nation of Millions", released in '89, was pretty groundbreaking. Prince also broke a lot of new ground in the 80's) Band-this one I'm not so sure about... Dire Straits comes to mind, as does Tears For Fears and Genesis. 90's I really can't say. My choice would be Joe Henry, Victoria Williamss, or Lauryn Hill. Tori Amos probably belongs here too I think Nirvana was definitely the most influential band of the 90's... but I'm from Seattle, they pay me to say that :-) Dave Matthews Band a CLOSE second. While these are my picks, these also tend to be pretty mainstream. There so many artists that have shaped the evolution of popular music. Curtis Mayfield, Al Green, and James Brown all had a huge effect on the funk and hip-hop records of the 90's. And...Pearl Bailey was rapping in 1946. The Grateful Dead spawned a million ever-touring folk-rock/pseudo-psychedelic bands. Think Phish, Dave Matthews, Blues Traveler Bands such as Cheap Trick and Big Star (god bless Alex Chilton), as well as the New York Dolls were immensely influtential on the whole 90's generation of Power Pop- Elastica, Trowing Muses, NY Loose, Fur. Blondie fits in there somewhere... I can't decide whether they were influential or influenced. Any thoughts on this? For those of you still reading, my apologies! Jenaya ... willing the clock to strike 5 pm..... been studying the power pop lineage for work, can you tell? NP: MOST appropriate: Rickie Lee "Ghetto Of My Mind" http://www.playnetwork.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:35:58 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Taj Mahal (NJC) - -----Original Message----- From: Dflahm@aol.com >How many of you know the Taj Mahal album The Natch'l Blues? (Columbia Records) >The subtle spectrum of rhythm grooves on blues songs is really awesome. Me , although I haven't listened to it in at least a decade. My favoutite Taj Mahal record is Music Fuh Ya, from the late 70's when he added a lovely carribean flavour to his music with steel drums timbales, kalimba, etc. There was also a live album with the same band. Philip NP John Peel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:39:47 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: RE: most influential... decade sorry sorry sorry NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC Jenaya http://www.playnetwork.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:44:57 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: RE: Insular NJC > America is the most violent nation on earth and we have out hands full > dealing with what's going on in our own country, Colin. Just want to point out that I do NOT think that only "dealing with what's going on in our own country" is a reasonable way to deal with societies problems, if nothing else, these horrible bombings in London PROVE that we need to address the acceptability of violence and lack of respect for human life on a GLOBAL level. Jenaya NP: At My Most Beautiful- REM http://www.playnetwork.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:46:06 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: RE: Taj Mahal (NJC) I just bought the 3 disc set Taj Mahal: In Progress and In Motion, and it is WONDERFUL. Highly reccomended. Jenaya http://www.playnetwork.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 19:54:00 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: NJC -- Does NATO = NAZI? --NJC Al Date's subject/title for his post was: Does NATO equal Nazi? No. No. And the victims of the Holocaust are ill served by such a glib question. The victims of Holocaust compel us to say never again. We were silent too long, inactive too long regarding Bosnia. I am conflicted on the NATO action, but I think it is obscene to even imply that NATO equals Nazi. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 17:00:50 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: RE: NJC -- Does NATO = NAZI? --NJC The Rev said: >I am conflicted on the NATO action, but I think it is obscene to even >imply that NATO equals Nazi. I don't think that's simply obscene, I think that's absolutely repulsive. Jenaya.. I'm going home now... NP: Don't Cry- Seal http://www.playnetwork.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:12:32 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: Ab Fab (NJC) I love British comedy and comedians... I really think Ab Fab is excellent. It's a show I can watch again and again and I'll still laugh. It's a Jennifer Saunders production (from French & Saunders) and features the creme de la creme of British comedy...( like Adrian Edmondson, Dawn French, Miranda Richardson etc). Look, the show is irreverent, crass and over the top but that's part of it's charm. My 12 year old niece watches South Park. I don't think it's appropriate, but it doesn't seem to be having any ill effects!! (so far) If you're concerned watch it with her, but you're in for a treat! I suggest that perhaps you borrow a few tapes and watch them yourself first and then make your choice. Vanessa N.P. Sarah McLachlan 'Sweet Surrender' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:08:43 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: (NJC) The haves and the have-nots In a message dated 5/5/99 4:32:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: > The rapidly disappearing middle class are getting > screwed, > no question. Oh, yes they are getting screwed and right where it hurts. The so-called booming economy is being accomplished on the backs of working people, who in turn are pointing the finger at welfare recipients, immigrants, minorities, gays and you name it, instead of blaming the real culprits who make us all work harder than we ever have, for less return than we've ever gotten - the large corporations, the "greedheads" as Randy calls them, and their cronies the politicians. Think about it: the pay ratio (that is, the difference between the highest and lowest payed workers in an average American company) is 209:1.3! Even Business Week declared a couple of years ago that executive salaries are out of control in the U.S. Meanwhile, the bottom half of wage earners has seen its income stagnate or decline in the last 20 years, while the top 5% (five percent!!!) has seen its income *double*. I'm remembering this information from an article by a fellow named Chuck Collins, a person from my community who earned a massive fortune (I think his family is associated with the Oscar Meyer company but I'm not positive) and gave it all away. I found the article at the United For A Fair Economy website at http://www.stw.org/html/who_we_are.html. I'm immersed in these issues because I work for an antipoverty agency and because I live in a poor rural area of Massachusetts. I feel the conviction I feel because I see the realities of what I've written about daily, in the work I do. To a lesser extent, I feel some familiarity with these issues on a personal level, obviously most of us should!! I now feel like I have more in common politically with my clients then I do with the well-heeled set. Middle class? What's that? "You can see it out in traffic Everyone hates everyone." Take care, Gina (who is unapologetic about her rant. So there! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:19:01 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC -- Does NATO = NAZI? --NJC In a message dated 5/5/99 7:03:02 PM Central Daylight Time, Jenaya@playnetwork.com writes: << I don't think that's simply obscene, I think that's absolutely repulsive. >> Just Al Date (rhymes with bait) up to his old tricks... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 20:36:58 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Ab Fab (NJC) At 10:12 AM 5/6/99 +1000, Evan + Vanessa Thomson wrote: > >I love British comedy and comedians... I really think Ab Fab is >excellent. It's a show I can watch again and again and I'll still >laugh. > We watch "Keeping Up Appearences" , another show with Judy Dench (As Time Goes By?) and "Is It Legal?" These shows are great! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:46:38 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: Ab Fab (NJC) luvart@snet.net wrote: > At 10:12 AM 5/6/99 +1000, Evan + Vanessa Thomson wrote: > > > >I love British comedy and comedians... I really think Ab Fab is > >excellent. It's a show I can watch again and again and I'll still > >laugh. > > > We watch "Keeping Up Appearences" , another show with Judy Dench (As Time > Goes By?) and "Is It Legal?" These shows are great! > Heather I love Judi Dench. We always watch Red Dwarf, Thin Blue Line, Young Ones, Bottom etc. My husband's a big Monty Python fan but I admit, that's the only show... I just don't get! It completely escapes me. He'll spend hours in hysterics and I'll just get shirty! Vanessa N.P. The circus near my house! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:09:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: NJC: Public schools, bomb threats Hello listers! Wanted to comment on Kate's emotional detail of the rally held outside of the Colorado hotel where the NRA was having their convention: Your post on the rally gave me a picture the media didn't. Sorta scares me to know that we are only presented with what the media deems is "newsworthy". I watched the young man's father cry out for gun control and it was very effective. I didn't see any coverage of the hate mongers, thankfully. I really appreciated your heartfelt take on what transpired that day. Taking a stand for what one believes in is the cornerstone of this country's freedom. I agree with you that guns should be kept out of young people's hands, but there seems to be so many factors in the Columbine tragedy. Part of my job is monitoring what students access on the internet. Would these boys have been able to construct bombs so easily if we weren't living in the "information age"? Has all this technology replaced human contact (video war games, violent films), therefore decreasing an innate empathy for others? Parents have become dependent on the public school system to teach their kids to "just say no" to drugs, about what takes place with the birds and the bees, how to brush your teeth, and for crying out loud, VALUES! Hard to point a finger at one certain thing when so much is wrong with the way we raise our children. Foster care has been a part of my life for over ten years. It is scary how easily we have children and discard them today. The rate of children in foster care has doubled in the past ten years. Why? Lord, I wish I knew the panacea for this. CSN said "Teach your children well" yet what some of our generation has opted to do is "let the schools teach our children well". In addition to foster care I am a public school employee. I hate to say it, but sometimes I am the first to point my finger at the parent, instead of thinking, "what can I do to help?". In my state (Michigan) public education has been at war with the government. We have been piled with hoops to jump through to receive our "student foundation grant" from the state. So much time is encumbered in paperwork that we sometimes forget to give hugs and attention. Where will it end? This post comes to you at the end of a harrowing day. Our administrators have dug out our crisis plan. In this village of 800 people, this K-12 district of 480 students, we need to be concerned with the possibility that it might happen here. Just today there was a bomb threat in the nearest "big" town to us. We are on alert, watching every move and being suspicious. I choose education as my career, not the military. "Oh you tireless watcher, what have I done to you that you make everything I dread and everything I fear come true." Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:20:01 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz in Central Park In a message dated 5/5/99 4:33:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JRMCo1@aol.com writes: > It's the hissing of SummerStage - A Canada Day celebration of Joni Mitchell's > > most adventurous period as a recording artist Oh, oh, my, my...it is also my birthday! I love a relaxing train ride to NYC. Gina NPIMH: if love were a train, i think i would take me a slow one...michelle shocked ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:19:44 EDT From: RADJSHARP@aol.com Subject: Artifice, Brutality and Innocence Am I the only one drawn to the list by the artifice, brutality and innocence that marks the daily posts? Thanks Don for reminding us how the three great stimulants can be woven into a scene such as your courtroom drama. It sounds like you have a ways to go before it turns into a song, but working on the lyrics can help pass the time in the "box." :~D Thanks to you all for your sensitive, intelligent commentary on events of the day, music, political and otherwise. Lurking in St. Louis, Bob [not Dylan] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:27:47 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Ab Fab (NJC) Heather wrote: > We watch "Keeping Up Appearences" , another show with Judy Dench (As Time > Goes By?) That is my mother's favorite show and she made me watch it last time I visited her. It is wonderful. She claims to have heard it is also Queen Elizabeth's favorite show. As far as Ab Fab, it is also hysterical. Don't think Terry needs to be too concerned - the "adult" parts may go over the head of a 12 year old, plus the young daughter in the show is the sensible one, more like the mother in the situation rather than the daughter. Kakki NP: Pink Martini - Amado Mio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:31:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: First exam results NJC Winfried shared: > please excuse if these lines don't make much sense -- unfortunately I > seem to be somewhat drunk! Many congratulations Winfried! Pour another one, you deserve it! Kakki NP: Pink Martini - Never on a Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 23:07:31 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Ab Fab (NJC) In a message dated 5/5/99 8:13:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, evanessa@mira.net writes: << I suggest that perhaps you borrow a few tapes and watch them yourself first and then make your choice. >> Vanessa and all, I did watch some of the episodes with her- the first one showed an (off camera) person handing her a bag of what looked to be cocaine. I have to admit, I don't watch tv so I may be really naive... My kid is a very mature 13 yr old- I don't think much of it goes over her head at all, but when I saw her grabbing those drugs, I wasn't a happy camper. I'm not going to stop her from watching it, but I did want to be better informed on what sort of show this is. Thanks for clueing me in. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:20:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: Peggy Baker on JM A short interview with Peggy Baker, one of Canada's foremost modern dancers and choreographers, appeared in this weekend's National Post (NOT a rag I usually read, but someone left a copy on the bus). Two excerpts: Q: Do you have a hero now? Peggy Baker: My hero for the past 30 years, without a moment of interruption, has been Joni Mitchell. I aspire to dance with an eloquence, truth, and originality even remotely comparable to her voice, her words, and music. And she has never stopped growing and developing as an artist. Q: How do you relax? Peggy Baker: I love to read (mainly biographies), to sing with Joni's records, and will never turn down a glass of red wine. Peggy has long been considered a trailblazer in her profession, and it would be safe to describe her following as smallish but very devoted. Hmmmm..... Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:31:44 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: AB FAB in Britain (NJC) >Has anyone ever seen the show AB FAB ("Absolutely Fabulous"- I think) Others have already responded to this, but I couldn't resist, since Jennifer Saunders (and Dawn French) is/are my favourite comedians (commediennes?). Ab Fab is irreverent, and sometimes a little shocking, but it's meant to be. I have an interview on video of Saunders and Joanna Lumley ("Patsy") where they were asked if they find it wrong to play such unpolitically-correct characters, ie. the drinking, smoking, drug-taking, casual sex, etc. Joanna Lumley's response was that we've been brought up to believe that as an adult, you have the right to do whatever you want, but that society, particularly in the 90's has, or does, dictate that everyone be "politically correct", which negates the whole "personal freedom" idea. Which is why (she says) it's so refreshing to play characters like these, who are really "bad"! She also points out that there's nothing that endearing, for example, about characters who have their stomachs pumped on a regular basis! I can understand your being concerned about your 13-year-old daughter loving it so much, but I think people love it BECAUSE the characters are so morally corrupt, not in spite of it! Let her watch - it's more likely to discourage her from that behaviour, than anything else! Sermon now over - everyone go back to what you were doing! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:24:46 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade / Joni Trivia Philip, this is a tough one. Is it "Corrina, Corrina" from A Bird that Whistles? > Now the JC trivia. Which Bill Haley tune does Joni quote from ? I actually have the original Rock Around the Clock Bill Haley LP somewhere around here but don't want to start digging through the pile for it! Kakki NP: Cubanisimo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:50:42 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Favourites lyrics - NJC I've labelled this NJC, but I'm not sure (but better safe than sorry), and apologies if we've done this thread before - haven't been here that long, and my memory's not too hot! Just wondering about everyone's favourite lyrics, not necessarily Joni's? In fact, to keep my NJC label correct, maybe we should exclude Joni (RENOUNCE, HERETIC!). The Hejira vs. FTR thread got me thinking about lyrics versus music, and I still can't decide! Sometimes the tune is so good, I forget to listen to the words, or the guitarist (for example) is incredible, and other times, it's simply the lyrics. But it got me thinking about my favourite song lyrics, and two that stuck out were: "I've got a chip on my shoulder, about the size of a mental block" "But I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" And maybe we should have a wee competition while we're about it - anyone know who penned these two lines (not the same artist/group)? Any one got any others they'd like to share? Helen NP - Not telling - it'll give it away! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Murray MacLaughlin Thanks Kate, for sharing portions of Getting out of Here Alive with us. I'm thoroughly enjoying your latest read! Sounds like a very entertaining and enlightening book! I was in Barnes and Noble yesterday and browsed the book on Jaco. Only had time to read a couple of pages, but it sounds like there was quite a bit of druggin' going on when Jaco was working / touring with Joni. I realize our sweet Joan is no saint, but does anybody know how much she was into a drugs back when coke was all the rage? No judgements, mind you, just curious. Had a little Joni moment tonight. We (the husband and kids 12 &15 yrs) went out for Chinese. Right after the egg rolls Help Me came on over the radio. My smart ass husband immediately starts mocking me (and the rest of the JMDL) by doing the Meg Ryan restaurant scene from When Harry Met Sally. I'm so glad the place was pretty empty. I was red faced and the kids were rolling in laughter. ; -D Later all, Penny ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #203 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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