From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #199 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 4 1999 Volume 04 : Number 199 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] murray's memories [katej ] NJC Hot in Rome ["Tube" ] Artist (s) of the Decade (s) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: njc busyness [catman ] Re: NJC Hot in Rome [catman ] Re: (NJC) Artist (s) of the Decade (s) [catman ] sadness (NJC) [Clancyhart@aol.com] Re: A provocative question (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] NJC May 4th [Vince Lavieri ] Re: This Illegal War NJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] This Illegal War--> NJC! [al_date@email.com] Colorado vs Kosovo -- NJC [al_date@email.com] 5 recent purchases and the dulcimer story [Nicholas Bates ] RE: njc busyness ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: NJC Hot in Rome ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: This Illegal War NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) ["Mark or Travis" ] The Circle Game movie [Randy Remote ] Re: joni this summer? ["Kakki" ] open letter (NJC) ["deb thornton" <68coyotes@onms.com>] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:26:21 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) Trey wrote: <<>> But so does Madonna. She's even quoted "Blue" in interviews and reworked the "I am on a lonely road and I am traveling" line from "All I Want" into one of her songs. Still a draw? ;-) Toss that shell aside, Trey! :-) - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:26:43 -0600 From: katej Subject: murray's memories "Fiedler and I flew out there, and after a day at the bayshore, headed up to Lord Jim's. At the time, Joni and Fiedler were great friends.. He was a very relaxed kind of confidant-therapist who could be relied on not to take her too seriously at a time when practically everyone else was. The three of us had a great time hanging out and talking--having dinner, drinking wine. Joni was the same then as she is now. Wind her up and let her go! Once she's awake, the woman never goes back to sleep. She's a stream-of-consciousness, free-associative monologist who makes wonderful sense of the world. She makes it up as she goes along. There was a strange moment I remember. We were playing pool in a little roadside bar not far from Lord Jim's, just having fun knocking the balls around really. Joni was concentrating hard, lining up her shots, doing the geometry. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, she burst into tears. I was gobsmacked! Fiedler calmly said something like 'Joni, darling, what the fuck is wrong?' He got her calmed down after a while, and it emerged that there was a bit of a war going on inside her. It was a lot of masculine-feminine stuff about wanting to win but hating the fact that she wanted to win and then feeling that her feelings of competitiveness were too masculine. I'm not drawing conclusions here, this is just some of the stuff that came out. I remember thinking back to the impression I'd had the first time I'd met her in Sudbury, that there was an intense inner turmoil that wasn't completely hidden by the serene blonde goddess exterior. Anyway, the storm blew over, and all was sweetness and light once more. I think she was coming to terms at the time with the real impact of her fame --with being stalked and hounded, with the prurient interest in her romantic life(made more poignant by the fact that the bulk of her writing was inspired by precisely this). I was learning a little about the consequences of fame by watching her handle it. Being around her for that time and seeing the depths of her character emerge put a person behind the romantic image for me. The person had ambitions and flaws, but that just made her all the more interesting. By the time I flew back to Toronto, I had more than a crush on her." still to follow..."So I was looking forward to doing this weird benefit for the Cree cause in Quebec--not just because it was a good idea but also because she'd be there." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:29:04 +0200 From: "Tube" Subject: NJC Hot in Rome Man it is so HOT here in Rome today! We didn't have a spring, it just went from mild winter to summer here this week. It's close and muggy and airless and I wish my old Alfa Romeo had air conditioning, it's really headachey here. Sorry, I was online, surfing the net and sweating and I just felt like saying that to somebody. :-) And don't you just hate it when you inadvertantly key in a keyboard shortcut (that you never even learned to use anyway) while typing, and your slow old 486 PC starts launching some big old program that you didn't even want, and while it does it everything else just hangs while your hard drive goes tikkatikkatikkatikkatikka etc for 20 seconds?! Tube ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:54:00 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) > > > > 60's: Solo - Bob Dylan > > Band - Beatles - has to be, they changed everything > > > 70's: Solo - Joni > > Band - Led Zeppelin (although not a band that I ever > liked much) > > > > 80's: Solo - Michael Jackson > > Band - U2 > > > 90's: Solo - Whitney Houston > Band - REM > (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:00:29 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) mwyarbro@zzapp.org wrote: > > > As for the '90s, Nirvana is the obvious choice for band. Their > commercial impact and its creative fallout were just too huge. > R.E.M. did well, no doubt, but their real impact was in drawing > attention back to the underground in the '80s (in fact, maybe > they should beat U2 for that slot). > > For solo artist it is difficult to think of an overarching figure, > but I would settle on Beck for his use of hip-hop (undeniably > the music of the decade, at least the last half of it) as part > of a sound pastiche (the sonic development of the decade) on > three excellent albums plus some other solid ones. His postmodern > appropriative approach to music with its combo of rural and urban > sounds and emphasis on humor and absurdity best typifies the > sound of the '90s IMO.--Michael > Having read Michael's post, I switch my 90s picks to solo, Beck, and group, Nirvana. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:57:38 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: njc busyness The word business means busy-ness. as to whether or not busyness exists as word in English I don't know as I do not have a dictionary handy(stuff still in boxes!) Wally Kairuz wrote: > oh no. both busyness and business exist as two diferent words. > wallyk > -----Original Message----- > De: catman > Para: joni@smoe.org > Fecha: Lunes 3 de Mayo de 1999 01:21 > Asunto: Re: Back in the Fold (NJC) > > > > > > >Bounced Message wrote: > > > >> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 21:22:35 -0700 > >> From: Lindsay Moon > >> > >> Just a hello to everyone from me, who had to un.su.bscribe a few months > ago > >> due to overwhelming life busy-ness (is that a word??) > > > >yes-tho it is usually spelt business! And it means the same thing.welcome > back! > > > >bw > >colin > > > >> Well, various things > >> have happened, some good, some not so good and I have now reached a point > >> of helplessness about certain things, a feeling that I was losing my > soul. > >> I started listening to my Joni again, went to a Borders and sat reading, > >> feeling and smelling some books (I used to love to get lost in books > stores > >> but haven't had time since kids, school, blah, blah) and -- damn it! -- > >> resubscribed to this list. I just can't be without it any longer! Thank > >> you all for being out there and such fun to hang around with (even if I > >> don't always pipe up). My best to you all. My soul is heaving a big > sigh > >> of relief. > >> > >> Lindsay Moon > > > > > > > >-- > > > >CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > >TANTRAS/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > > > > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:58:55 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Hot in Rome Tube wrote: > Man it is so HOT here in Rome today! We didn't have a spring, it just went > from mild winter to summer here this week. The exact same here. Cold enough to have the fire going a few days ago, and the last 4 days have been hot, especially today. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:03:10 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: (NJC) Artist (s) of the Decade (s) I have only one Madoona album, ROL, which is wonderful. However, several of her singles I like very much, Like A Prayer. La Isla Bonita(??SP), Hanky Panky(this actually shocked me as i first heard on PT TV, on TOTP-the song didn't so much but the fact it got aired here-mind Chocolate Salty Balls shocked even more!!!) When i first saw/heard her it was Holiday and i thought yuk! However, there is no denying now that she is a major league artist. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 00:09:44 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: (NJC) Artist (s) of the Decade (s) Michael writes > > And Winfried wrote: > > << there's nothing I can do about it!>>> > > Well, considering that it has no less than three distinct melodies, > often woven against each other, there could be far more embarrassing > "simple" pop songs to like. And some of those couplets are just > divine: "Romeo and Juliet / They never felt this way I bet" > Inventively rhymed and perfectly capturing the insouciant spirit > of puppy love. It is a winner. > Phew! So maybe I'm not going to get grilled eternally in the dark dungeons of hell... I feel so much better now! However, my favorite rhymes right now are: > 'Fear not the tyrants shall rule forever, > Or the priests of the bloody faith; > They stand on the brink of that mighty river, > Whose waves they have tainted with death; > It is fed from the depths of a thousand dells, > Around them it foams, and rages, and swells, > And their swords and their sceptres I floating see, > Like wrecks, in the surge of eternity.' (From "Rosalind and Helen" by Percy Bysshe Shelley, 1818) Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:11:48 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) NJC In a message dated 5/3/99 4:56:34 PM Central Daylight Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << Having read Michael's post, I switch my 90s picks to solo, Beck, and group, Nirvana. >> Don't do it Rev...you'll only encourage him!! :~D PS: The Nirvana part I agree with, although if that's the case, Michael, you've gotta give Nevermind the edge over OK Computer, doncha? Bob NP: XTC, :"Frivolous Tonight" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:17:12 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: (NJC) Artist (s) of the Decade (s) Winfried represented: << 'Fear not the tyrants shall rule forever, ... (From "Rosalind and Helen" by Percy Bysshe Shelley, 1818)>>> MC Percy for Artist of the 1810s. Is there any objection? Hearing none, I declare him the dopest, the flyest and the phattest of the second decade of the 19th Century by acclamation!! ;-) - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: al_date@email.com Subject: This Illegal War As far as the US Constitution is concerned, it does not matter whether US troops are engaged in conflict by themselves or in coalition with NATO or any other organization. The Constitution is still the supreme law of the land. 17 Congressmen, including my rep Tom Campbell, have filed suit to have the war declared illegal, since it does not have a declaration of support from Congress (required by the War Powers Act.) On top of that, this action is a violation of the NATO Charter, which defines NATO as a defensive organization, and limits its actions to NATO countries under attack. Yugoslavia is not a NATO member. Finally, the attack violates the United Nations Charter itself, which requires any attack like this to be authorized by the Security Council. The only exception is when a sovereign nation is under attack by another one and must defend itself immediately. Of course, that is not the case here. What is the case is that we have entered a civil war, with bad guys on both sides--like in ANY CIVIL WAR. No matter how you slice it, this attack is ILLEGAL, under every available jurisdiction. When the World Court hears the appeals of the Serbs, it will declare the war illegal--and our government will ignore the ruling. So what? I hear you say. The US government has effectively placed itself outside its own Constitution, and snubbed its nose at international law! We are now the bullies of the world. Our leaders may have good intentions in Kosovo, but has their course of action accomplished anything but the acceleration of evil actions? Further, is it worth the cost of establishing more precedents of international lawlessness? What is there to guarantee that unrestrained political leaders will always have good intentions in the global theater? How can we claim a moral high-ground against terrorists and ethnic-cleansers, when we AS A NATION lawlessly slaughter innocent civilians remotely, and dismiss it as "collateral damage?" - --Al Date - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:40:25 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) NJC RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/3/99 4:56:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: > > << Having read Michael's post, I switch my 90s picks to solo, Beck, and > group, Nirvana. >> > > Don't do it Rev...you'll only encourage him!! :~D > Sorry, Bob, but the man was so right! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:04:07 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: A provocative question (NJC) I still can't believe that I'm actually defending war - I've been a pacifist since the 60's. I just feel so strongly about genocide and see no other alternative than bombing them into compliance (I've lost faith in a Messiah). A few years ago I went to a lecture by a reporter who had spent a year in Bosnia. When I heard him describe how the "Christian" Serbs were raping Muslim women to "purify" the race something in me snapped. Then he told us a story which is not reported by mainstream media. He said that, because the Muslims in Yugoslavia are gay-friendly, the "Christian" Serbs consider them all to be "perverts" and frequently force Muslim men to bite off their brother's testicles at gunpoint! He provided us with State Department reports verifying his claim. Serbs have been mass-murdering Bosnians and Albanians for a decade. Maybe NATO isn't doing the best job but at least it's doing something to try to stop this madness. And I feel such action is long overdue. Mutts of the planet unite! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:09:19 EDT From: Clancyhart@aol.com Subject: sadness (NJC) i don't post to the list too often--i tend to respond to folks personally, because i think what i have to say is usually too sentimental, or silly. but having said that, i want to ask for some advice. i'm thirty-three, i have three kids, and my marriage of ten years is ending. if anyone else with children has been through this, i would love to hear from you. i feel like i'm falling apart--for the roses is definitely the cd of the moment. i stayed home with my children, i don't have a penny of my own, and i just have no faith left. i think it is this feeling of losing not just my husband, but my family...does this ever pass? i hope this isn't too much of a bummer...i'm going to go put on some talking heads and dance my rear end off. thanks...amy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:19:34 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: A provocative question (NJC) Eric Taylor wrote: > I still can't believe that I'm actually defending war - I've been a pacifist > since the 60's. > That's why I am so conflicted. > Then he told us a > story which is not reported by mainstream media. He said that, because the > Muslims in Yugoslavia are gay-friendly, the "Christian" Serbs consider them > all to be "perverts" and frequently force Muslim men to bite off their > brother's testicles at gunpoint! He provided us with State Department > reports verifying his claim. This was reported by the Chicago Tribune at least five years ago; also as Islamic men are circumcized and Orthodox Serbs are not, the Bosnian Serbs held guns to fathers heads and sons heads to force oral sex. It was reported, my friend, but no one cared much. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:23:18 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC May 4th May 4th is the anniversary of Kent State: Alison Krause, Sandy Scheuer, Bill Schroeder, Jeff Miller, May 4, 1970, just after 1 p.m. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:40:57 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: This Illegal War NJC In a message dated 5/3/99 6:32:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, al_date@email.com writes: << As far as the US Constitution is concerned, it does not matter whether US troops are engaged in conflict by themselves or in coalition with NATO or any other organizatio >> I am not interested in reading your opinion on this topic. Please remember the NJC tag ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:49:34 -0400 (EDT) From: al_date@email.com Subject: This Illegal War--> NJC! Sorry, that antiwar posting is totally NJC. - --ald - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:09:52 -0400 (EDT) From: al_date@email.com Subject: Colorado vs Kosovo -- NJC I cannot understand why we would even for an unbearably sad moment let our laws be dictated by two sociopathic youths who obtained weapons in spite of all the laws already on the books which were written to prevent minors from obtaining weapons. This terrible situation did not occur due to a lack of laws, nor due to any lobbying to preserve the Bill of Rights. In hindsight, the problem was in 1. Not catching the early warning signs of a sociopath, which were ample in this case--or in not taking them seriously. 2. Insufficient security at a large public facility. 3. Insufficient enforcement of the laws that are already on the books regarding minors and weapons. _________________________ Meanwhile our GOVERNMENT, which represents EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, is illegally killing people in Serbia with far more firepower, at much greater cost, and with much greater risks to our collective security. Amazingly, the day after the shootings in Colorado, our President announced that we all need to set an example for our children in how to resolve conflicts without resorting to violence! So, it's time to do as President Clinton says, and MARCH FOR PEACE! Contact the Peninsula Peace and Justice Center http://www.peacecenter.com - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:27:08 +1000 From: Nicholas Bates Subject: 5 recent purchases and the dulcimer story Loved the story about hitchiking and Joni buying a dulcimer all those years ago. More nostalgia please! 5 recent puchases 1. Sly and the Family Stones Greatest Hits 2. Renee Geyer's Greatest Hits 3. Phoebe Snow, I can't complain 4. Dusty Springfield, Reputation and other rarities (very cheap!) 5.JM, Painting with words and music Nicholas in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:55:34 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC ban guns, solve the problem? evil white guys? In a message dated 5/3/99 4:02:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Kleronomos@aol.com writes: << These kids would have used fertilizer, or anthrax, or acid, or poison... they will find something. Apparently, they had a 9mm, which is not a hunting arm. But there were 2 shotguns and (I think) another long gun... hunting arms. Do you really think you can ban such weapons? >> I have heard this argument made so many times in discussing this tragedy. True, that is definitely a possibility. These boys very well may have done whatever they could have to wreak havoc at Columbine. But I think the real issue here is the type of SOCIETY that is created when firearms are so available and present. All types of guns. I just don't understand it. People talk of guns as their "precious treasures" - it just turns my stomach. I can understand the need for certain people to own guns for hunting or protection in the more remote areas of the country, but why does anyone, for example, need a semiautomatic rifle with a laser sight? If anyone has an argument for the right to own assault weapons, other than the 2nd amendment, I'd like to hear it. Let's be realistic, the answer is not in banning all guns. That just wouldn't happen. But we can have stricter laws, more sensible laws that each end of the spectrum can agree on. Perhaps this is idealistic of me. There is a great organization called PAX - they're not a political lobbying organization, but a communications organization. They make sense to me. They have a great website at www.paxusa.org. I hope you'll give it a visit. All the best... Trey NP - Amelia, Jonatha Brooke's version (Angel in the House - The Story) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:19:57 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: Re: This Illegal WarNJC Interesting, you mean there's a difference between a legal and illegal war. You mean in a legal war no one really dies, nothing is destroyed, and the good guy (white hat) goes off into the sunset. FAROUT!!! Let's legalize war. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 3:30 PM Subject: This Illegal War > As far as the US Constitution is concerned, it does not matter whether US troops are engaged in conflict by themselves or in coalition with NATO or any other organization. > > The Constitution is still the supreme law of the land. 17 Congressmen, including my rep Tom Campbell, have filed suit to have the war declared illegal, since it does not have a declaration of support from Congress (required by the War Powers Act.) > > On top of that, this action is a violation of the NATO Charter, which defines NATO as a defensive organization, and limits its actions to NATO countries under attack. Yugoslavia is not a NATO member. > > Finally, the attack violates the United Nations Charter itself, which requires any attack like this to be authorized by the Security Council. The only exception is when a sovereign nation is under attack by another one and must defend itself immediately. Of course, that is not the case here. What is the case is that we have entered a civil war, with bad guys on both sides--like in ANY CIVIL WAR. > > No matter how you slice it, this attack is ILLEGAL, under every available jurisdiction. > When the World Court hears the appeals of the Serbs, it will declare the war illegal--and our government will ignore the ruling. > > So what? I hear you say. > > The US government has effectively placed itself outside its own Constitution, and snubbed its nose at international law! > > We are now the bullies of the world. Our leaders may have good intentions in Kosovo, but has their course of action accomplished anything but the acceleration of evil actions? Further, is it worth the cost of establishing more precedents of international lawlessness? What is there to guarantee that unrestrained political leaders will always have good intentions in the global theater? > > How can we claim a moral high-ground against terrorists and ethnic-cleansers, when we AS A NATION lawlessly slaughter innocent civilians remotely, and dismiss it as "collateral damage?" > > > --Al Date > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:38:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: njc busyness Colin, Busyness means industriousness, sometimes also bustle. Business means...well, you know what it means. But it's not the same. wallyk - -----Original Message----- De: catman Para: joni@smoe.org Fecha: Lunes 3 de Mayo de 1999 16:08 Asunto: Re: njc busyness >The word business means busy-ness. as to whether or not busyness exists as word >in English I don't know as I do not have a dictionary handy(stuff still in >boxes!) > >Wally Kairuz wrote: > >> oh no. both busyness and business exist as two diferent words. >> wallyk >> -----Original Message----- >> De: catman >> Para: joni@smoe.org >> Fecha: Lunes 3 de Mayo de 1999 01:21 >> Asunto: Re: Back in the Fold (NJC) >> >> > >> > >> >Bounced Message wrote: >> > >> >> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 21:22:35 -0700 >> >> From: Lindsay Moon >> >> >> >> Just a hello to everyone from me, who had to un.su.bscribe a few months >> ago >> >> due to overwhelming life busy-ness (is that a word??) >> > >> >yes-tho it is usually spelt business! And it means the same thing.welcome >> back! >> > >> >bw >> >colin >> > >> >> Well, various things >> >> have happened, some good, some not so good and I have now reached a point >> >> of helplessness about certain things, a feeling that I was losing my >> soul. >> >> I started listening to my Joni again, went to a Borders and sat reading, >> >> feeling and smelling some books (I used to love to get lost in books >> stores >> >> but haven't had time since kids, school, blah, blah) and -- damn it! -- >> >> resubscribed to this list. I just can't be without it any longer! Thank >> >> you all for being out there and such fun to hang around with (even if I >> >> don't always pipe up). My best to you all. My soul is heaving a big >> sigh >> >> of relief. >> >> >> >> Lindsay Moon >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> > >> >CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST >> >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html >> >TANTRAS/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS >> >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk >> > >> > >> > > > > >-- > >CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html >TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:46:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Hot in Rome you should all take a trip down here. it was 89 degrees today morning. now it's dropped to 22. i don't know how my bones or my window panes for that matter can take it. boy i hate indian summer!!!!!! wallyk - -----Original Message----- De: catman Para: Tube CC: JMDL Digest Fecha: Lunes 3 de Mayo de 1999 16:08 Asunto: Re: NJC Hot in Rome > > >Tube wrote: > >> Man it is so HOT here in Rome today! We didn't have a spring, it just went >> from mild winter to summer here this week. > >The exact same here. Cold enough to have the fire going a few days ago, and the >last 4 days have been hot, especially today. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:51:22 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: This Illegal War NJC In a message dated 5/3/1999 6:32:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, al_date@email.com writes: << As far as the US Constitution is concerned, it does not matter whether US troops are engaged in conflict by themselves or in coalition with NATO or any other organization. The Constitution is still the supreme law of the land. 17 Congressmen, including my rep Tom Campbell, have filed suit to have the war declared illegal, since it does not have a declaration of support from Congress (require >> There are people who are being killed in another country..thousands of them! How can we look these people in the eye and say good luck and shut the door. They are doing *ethnic cleansing* over there and I think it sucks. something has to be done. Look at the atrocities of WW11. Genocide is not an answer and either is turning our backs! Those people have lived there for over 500 years now they have to leave and go where? there is not where for them to go. They uncovered an unmarked grave with many men killed and then thrown into this mass grave...it is happening again! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:55:08 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) > > > > > 60's: Solo - Bob Dylan > > > Band - Beatles Hard to argue with these two. > > > 70's: Solo - Joni > > > Band - Blondie Joni is indisputable imo. Blondie didn't come til the end of the decade but they sure shook things up and helped rejuvenate rock when it was becoming stagnant. And they did it with wit and style. > > > 80's: Solo - k d lang > > > Band - Talking Heads or The Pretenders k d's first record sounded like rock-a-billy meets kick-butt punk. Shadowlands & Absolute Torch & Twang established her as one of the great singers of the century. David Byrne & Talking Heads were pushing the envelope and mixing all kinds of things up in the 80's. Remain in Light is an amazing hybrid of musical genres and Stop Making Sense is one of the great all time rock movies. Chrissie and the Pretenders put intelligence and heart into hard-edged rock and took it to another level. > > 90's: Solo - Lucinda Williams > > Band - REM Lucinda is a force to be reckoned with who defies categorization. REM are one of the great rock groups of all time and some of their 90's work is innovative & classic. Automatic for the People alone qualies them for the top prize. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:57:37 EDT From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: joni this summer? A friend emailed me about a "Summerstage" appearance of lots of artists doing Joni "jazz" years stuff and an appearance by Joni (if her daughter isn't giving birth) on Thurs. July 1 (in NYC). He heard it on WNEW as kind of a "scoop" from Vin Scelsa (DJ legend). Anyone confirm this or know more? Wally? (must admit I have deleted the past couple of digests--new job--so maybe you've all already discussed this). - --Drew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:58:10 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC ban guns, solve the problem? evil white guys? In a message dated 5/3/1999 7:02:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kleronomos@aol.com writes: << I would not vote to ban guns. I don't think a responsible citizen should be stripped of defensive weapons, or hunting arms. In our anguish over the senseless death of these children, we all want to do SOMETHING but wisdom must be used, not rhetoric, if what we do is to achieve the desired result. >> How about just banning handguns??? I know men and their testoterone need to go aound killing dear and the deer population is out of control ( how conveinant) so they have to be killed. I guess that has nothing to do with the fact that there are no natural predators and no open space for them to run unless you include golf courses and heaven forbid that!!! Hand guns kill. Saying people kill not handguns is just stupid. If a child get ahold of a handgun and kills someone then it is his fault even though he might only be 2 years old right??? So keep the rifles and go to town killing deer...boy am I glad I got this off my chest! Catgirl...sorry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:03:29 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Fwd: A provocative question (NJC) - --part1_5ed29a85.245fbd81_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_5ed29a85.245fbd81_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: CaTGirl627@aol.com From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Full-name: CaTGirl627 Message-ID: <5ed29a85.245fbd6f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:03:11 EDT Subject: Re: A provocative question (NJC) To: ewwtaylor@adelphia.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 5/3/1999 7:05:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << Serbs have been mass-murdering Bosnians and Albanians for a decade. Maybe NATO isn't doing the best job but at least it's doing something to try to stop this madness. And I feel such action is long overdue. Mutts of the planet unite! E.T. >> Amen ( sorry for the irony) Brother! How can we sit here knowing that people are being killed? I heard that they can't even leave now. They are being kept to the front lines to be killed by bombs from America. Milosevik is sick man and needs to be stopped! Catgirl - --part1_5ed29a85.245fbd81_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:26:38 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: This Illegal WarNJC In a message dated 5/3/1999 10:23:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gmock@psyber.com writes: << interesting, you mean there's a difference between a legal and illegal war. You mean in a legal war no one really dies, nothing is destroyed, and the good guy (white hat) goes off into the sunset. FAROUT!!! Let's legalize war. gene >> Thanks Gene and great point!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:29:50 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: murray's memories In a message dated 5/3/99 5:28:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, katej@connect.ab.ca writes: << She's a stream-of-consciousness, free-associative monologist who makes wonderful sense of the world. She makes it up as she goes along. >> We Detroiters witnessed this in the lobby of the hotel. As we were all walking back to the elevators, Joni- who was a good 10 steps ahead of us- stopped dead in her tracks, turned around to face us, and told us a little story. When she finished, she turned right back around and before getting onto the elevator, she took a long look at the hotel lobby (gorgeous, btw) as if she needed to take in every detail. I don't think life with Joni would be very boring! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:31:47 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Hot in Rome In a message dated 5/3/1999 10:50:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << you should all take a trip down here. it was 89 degrees today morning. now it's dropped to 22. i don't know how my bones or my window panes for that matter can take it. boy i hate indian summer!!!!!! wallyk >> Make sure you keep yourself healthy with lots of Vit. C and garlic! those temps are quite extreame! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:38:01 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: illegal war (NJC) During the invasion of Iraq, Congress got all bent out of shape because Bush had gone to war without consulting them. So after it had been going on for awhile, he got around to asking Congress, and they said, in effect, "yeah, sure, that'd be great!". They just wanted to be asked. Also, Clinton has been creating executive orders like mad since his election. An executive order is essentially a way of making new rules giving him greater powers, regardless of what it says in the constitution. All the presidents have done this, but none more than Bill. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:45:51 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: The Circle Game movie This may have been discussed before I was on the list. I saw the following movie listing being shown on CBC for this Thurs. 12 AM EST "The Circle Game" ** (1994, Dra.) Marnie McPhail, Janet Laine Greene. A Toronto blues singer struggles with her daughter, her music and her mother. (1h52) Sounds awfully familiar. I do not get CBC. Does anyone know about this? Maybe someone in Canada wants to check it out. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:21:58 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: joni this summer? Drew scooped: > A friend emailed me about a "Summerstage" appearance of lots of artists doing > Joni "jazz" years stuff and an appearance by Joni (if her daughter isn't > giving birth) on Thurs. July 1 (in NYC). WOW - this is all new news! I can't wait to hear more. What is "Summerstage"? Jazz stuff - is Mr. Lahm involved? I'd heard a rumor that Kilauren was expecting - has this been confirmed anywhere? Kakki NP: Kenny Rankin - Encore at the Bottom Line (blissful heavy sigh music) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:34:17 -0600 From: "deb thornton" <68coyotes@onms.com> Subject: open letter (NJC) I had been wondering just how long it would take for the only-Joni list to be compromised by people who just couldn't restrain themselves and keep their NJC posts off the only-Joni list. Slowly the NJC or VLJC (a new descriptor that seems to have been born at the same time as the only-Joni list--its "evil twin"?) content posts started to creep in. Less than half of volume 1 number 30 has Joni content, and only three of the eleven posts are truly relevant; the one before that has about 80% Joni content. For years I waded through the JMDL posts, which had the loudest percentage of irrelevant posts (NJC) of any lists I belonged to. The onlyJoni list was a godsent, a wonderful choice for people like me who want to belong to a Joni Mitchell list and don't give a damn about gun control or Bob Dylan concerts or anything else off topic. So I am writing to ask, politely, that everyone consider carefully whether a given post is about Joni Mitchell or her music (preferably ther latter) or whether it's a Joni-centered post or a tangentially related post. Please be considerate of people who do not wish to participate in off-topic discussions. thank you, deb thornton ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #199 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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