From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #196 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, May 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 196 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- my five - (SJC) [TreyCozy@aol.com] My recent five purchases [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] Re: preaching to converted,,,,, and recent 5 albumsNJC [TerryM2442@aol.co] 5 recent purchases NJC ["Gene Mock" ] Re: A provocative question (NJC) ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: my five - (SJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Black Crow [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: NJC: Rally 'round the cause {and Cheryl in concert} [Ashara@aol.com] Re: Black Crow [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: NJC: Rally 'round the cause {and Cheryl in concert} [Kate Tarasenko <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:07:08 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: my five - (SJC) Hi folks. It's me Trey (the new guy) attempting to come out of my shell.... My latest five: Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell The Cheiftans Vonda Shepard - By 7:30 (a little disappointed.. love It's Good, Eve) Myths and Legends - Adam Guettel (composer - the next Sondheim IMHO) Jonatha Brooke Live - I'm seeing her LIVE tonight at The Fillmore here in San Francisco. Yippeeeeeeee! See you soon. Trey np - "the sire of sorrow" - ... don't y'all LOVE LOVE LOVE this song?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 04:08:41 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: My recent five purchases My recent five purchases: 1. Wild Things Run Fast (24 KT - I can't hear any difference in sound...) 2. Doyle Bramhall II 3. Maarit: Stoalive 2CD (great Finnish bluesy singer) 4. Brand New Heavies: Shelter (already had this, but this US pressing has an extra track) 5. Arty - The Gold Experience - --jussi PS. Vote for Joni in the Entertainment Weekly poll: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/ew/fab400/music100/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:19:26 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: preaching to converted,,,,, and recent 5 albumsNJC In a message dated 5/1/99 7:00:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << Wow...We have similar tastes my dear! ( or wanted the same ones) I do want to get CPR, what did you think of it? Anybody else? >> Truthfully, I've only heard it a couple of times and it is very CSN'ish. But from what I've heard so far, I like it a lot. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:38:48 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: 5 recent purchases NJC Hey Guys! Thanks for listing all you recent purchases, giving me some great ideas. Mick Bird NA'AU A Walk on the Moon Soundtrack Chieftains Tears of Stone Kate Wolf Kate Wolf The Velvet Underground and Nico Just starting my CD collection later gene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 23:05:50 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: A provocative question (NJC) Kakki ponders: <> Even though Uncle Sam has committed the majority of troops & money to fight Yugoslavian genocide of non-Serebians we must not forget that the liberation of Kosovo was NATO's idea. Why is it that America is singled-out as the aggressor? Hey, if Mexicans were raping, torturing and murdering countless thousands of ethnic minorities in Baja, I'm certain Russian troops would not be necessary. But personally I would welcome them. There is only one justification for war in my opinion. And that is stopping genocide. I am very proud of the role America played in crushing Nazism and am likewise proud that we are once again fighting antisemitism in Europe (yes, Muslims are Semites too). Vietnam was all about defending capitalism. The Gulf War was all about oil (concocted to stimulate the U.S. economy as the Alice Glassbie incident proved to me). But Kosovo is about preventing another Holocaust. Perhaps America has no financial interest in Kosovo. Yet we do have a moral obligation to help our European ancestors fight genocide once again. E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 23:56:19 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: my five - (SJC) In a message dated 5/1/99 9:04:20 PM Central Daylight Time, TreyCozy@aol.com writes: << Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell Jonatha Brooke Live - I'm seeing her LIVE tonight at The Fillmore here in San Francisco. Yippeeeeeeee! >> And I'll be looking forward to your reviews on the above, Trey.... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 23:54:28 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Black Crow In a message dated 5/1/99 7:25:00 PM Central Daylight Time, johnlow40@hotmail.com writes: << If I'd been asked to discuss favourite songs from 'Hejira' "Black Crow" would probably not have got a mention. But as soon as JM began singing it (the first of the four 'Hejira' songs performed), it was like a revelation. >> That version, with Greg Liesz rockin' the pedal steel guitar, is truly awesome! I loved it in Atlanta as well, and was fortunate to be able to tell Mr. Liesz himself - he's a super-nice guy too! Don't forget about "As The Crow Flies", meaning a straight line between two points, and "Jim Crow", referring to old laws (?)... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 00:01:59 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Rally 'round the cause {and Cheryl in concert} Kate wrote with passion Thanks for sharing your experiences at the rally at the NRA meeting. I just got back from seeing Cheryl Wheeler in concert, and I am still feeling overwhelmed. She is an amazing woman, flying out to Denver last minute for this rally, postponing a concert in Vermont last night, which she hates to do, and flying back this evening barely in time for the concert in MA. She gave it her all, giving a wonderful concert, but when she talked a little about singing in Denver this morning, and then sang the song, "If It Were Up To Me," it was very, very powerful, and I can barely even type about it now. She originally wrote the song after the Jonesboro, AK school killings, but in the wake of the Littleton tragedy, singing in Denver while the NRA had their annual meeting, well, it was just too much. The following are the comments and Lrics from her web site: ****************************************************************************** ************* If It Were Up to Me This song was written after the Jonesboro schoolyard shooting incident. She actually didn't realize she was writing it at the time. She was talking to herself while she was driving, and suddently realized that it was a song. I find this song very powerful. Experts can (and probably will) debate about the cause of the dramatic increase in violence among children. While these debates are going on, more children are dying. Cheryl states the obvious: if we can keep guns away from children, they can't use them to kill others. The song lists all the excuses that people put forth for the increase in violence among children. The song ends with her saying: "But if it were up to me, I'd take away the guns." Some have interpreted that to mean that Cheryl is in favor of getting rid of all guns. I think it is more accurate to say that the song promotes keeping guns away from unsupervised children. My interpretation of the song is that we can debate forever over the "cause" of increased violence, but children will keep getting killed until we do something to make it harder for children to get easy access to firearms. Rounder saw this song as a way to promote the album Sylvia Hotel. This song was released as the first single from the album. Every time it is played on a AAA station, Rounder will donate $5 to the Center for the Prevention of Handgun Violence. This is an organization allied with Handgun Control (ala the "Brady Bill".) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If It Were Up to Me- by Cheryl Wheeler Maybe it's the movies, maybe it's the books Maybe it's the bullets, maybe it's the real crooks Maybe it's the drugs, maybe it's the parents Maybe it's the colors everybody's wearin Maybe it's the President, maybe it's the last one Maybe it's the one before that, what he done Maybe it's the high schools, maybe it's the teachers Maybe it's the tattooed children in the bleachers Maybe it's the Bible, maybe it's the lack Maybe it's the music, maybe it's the crack Maybe it's the hairdos, maybe it's the TV Maybe it's the cigarettes, maybe it's the family Maybe it's the fast food, maybe it's the news Maybe it's divorce, maybe it's abuse Maybe it's the lawyers, maybe it's the prisons Maybe it's the Senators, maybe it's the system Maybe it's the fathers, maybe it's the sons Maybe it's the sisters, maybe it's the moms Maybe it's the radio, maybe it's road rage Maybe El Nino, or UV rays Maybe it's the army, maybe it's the liquor Maybe it's the papers, maybe the militia Maybe it's the athletes, maybe it's the ads Maybe it's the sports fans, maybe it's a fad Maybe it's the magazines, maybe it's the internet Maybe it's the lottery, maybe it's the immigrants Maybe it's taxes, big business Maybe it's the KKK and the skinheads Maybe it's the communists, maybe it's the Catholics Maybe it's the hippies, maybe it's the addicts Maybe it's the art, maybe it's the sex Maybe it's the homeless, maybe it's the banks Maybe it's the clearcut, maybe it's the ozone Maybe it's the chemicals, maybe it's the car phones Maybe it's the fertilizer, maybe it's the nose rings Maybe it's the end, but I know one thing. If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns. (P) October 1, 1997 Penrod And Higgins Music / Amachrist Music ACF Music Group International Copyright Reserved ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 00:19:54 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Black Crow "Black Crow" has always been one of the most exciting JM songs for me. The consistent rhythm on the guitar has such immense energy and then the first vocal line slams in totally independent over the top of that beat. As a jazz player, I recognize the harmonic layout as a minor blues of double the usual length. The lyric is a continuous, powerful unfolding of images and mood. And I know I'm always saying this about the tracks I like best: the most amazing part is the rhythm of the vocal. Each chorus of the four is unique and they are equally strong and convincing, and of course, completely un-notatable in their freedom & subtlety. HEJIRA is one of her best works and this may be the best thing on it. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 00:23:51 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: Re: NJC: Rally 'round the cause {and Cheryl in concert} I just wanted to demonstrate a little self-awareness to the folks on the list with whom I disagree regarding the gun issue. (I'm going to "out" myself on one small point -- before YOU do!) I'm doing this because I know this IS such an emotional issue, and I want to encourage reasonable and logical debate, something that was not terribly evident in our encounters with the NRA-ers today. I responded to Ashara, in part, about Cheryl Wheeler's song, "If It Were Up To Me": "...it really had an impact on the crowd. It had a unifying force, regardless of what our individual beliefs are. As a political aside, it's interesting to me that I remembered her last line wrong ("we'd get rid of the guns") as opposed to what it actually is ("I'd take away the guns"). I also find it interesting that whoever it was who wrote the comments [about the song], s/he interjected some speculation about Cheryl's true intent and meaning behind that particular line -- I'm anti-gun, but I doubt that the author of those remarks is!" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #196 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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