From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #182 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, April 26 1999 Volume 04 : Number 182 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC: Colorado [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: NJC: Colorado [MGVal@aol.com] Re: NJC: Colorado [DreamZvil@aol.com] JMDLer's do win [Jerry Notaro ] NJC re: Colorado [Don Sloan ] RE: NJC CURIOUS: re: NJC Colorado [Mary Pitassi ] Re: Colorado[njc] [Bounced Message ] Joni's Radiance [Leslie Mixon ] Re: JMDLer's do win [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: NJC: Colorado [CaTGirl627@aol.com] NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: computer troubles (NJC) [The Humphreys ] Re: computer troubles (NJC) [The Humphreys ] Re: The Ultimate Concert [philipf@tinet.ie] NJC: Colorado -- and another thing... [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: NJC: Colorado -- and another thing... [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: NJC re: Colorado [RMuRocks@aol.com] Guns/Colorado NJC ["Gene Mock" ] virus warning - CIH aka. Chernobyl [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Tom Waits on Yahoo Chat (NJC) [Scott and Jody ] Hello Everyone! (SJC) [picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith)] NJC:blimey [catman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 01:41:36 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: Colorado Someone asked why there seems to be a "news blackout" regarding the parents of the killers. What I've heard/read about them so far is that one of the fathers is retired geophysicist who was just starting up his own business, and one of the mothers did some kind of volunteer work with kids. There has been talk of making the parents criminally liable if they knew about their kids' activities; which begs the question that if they didn't know, why not? (And perhaps they should be indicted in any event - -- a difficult question with multiple ramifications.) I think these parents have been insulated by their friends who have put banners of support on their gates and have signed them, first names only. Not only are the parents not talking to the media, but it would seem that neither are their friends. No doubt more info on them will soon surface. It is extremely unlikely that there is any conspiracy among the media to protect these people, should they be left-leaning or PC or [fill in the blank]. The media are voracious and will report ANYthing, regardless of how speculative. On Sunday there will be a memorial service in Littleton attended by Amy Grant and other singers, and VP Al Gore, at 1pm MST. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:45:45 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Colorado In a message dated 99-04-25 03:40:48 EDT, netgirl@ctos.com writes: > There has been talk of making the parents criminally liable if they >knew about their kids' activities; which begs the question that if they >didn't know, why not? The profiles that I've read so far have said that the boys' immersion into the "trench coats" was less than a year old. I don't think that a parent could have missed the transformation but I do believe that they could have taken the easy, non-confrontational role of believing "it's just a phase and they'll grow out of it." And I would wonder if parents even have the skills to guide their children through a "phase." Be accessible enough and have enough trust and confidence built up over the years to be able to discuss the pitfalls of flirting with any group that does not contribute to solid emotional health. To have the authority to be able to pull them out of these riptides so that they all come out a little bit wiser. From Pat: "... I remember my teen years and 'up the establishment' and how we were gonna change the world... and now we ARE 'the establishment', 'free' of those old values and morals......" I have been wondering a lot if this has any bearing on the story. Parents who grew up during the rebellion against the "establishment," and the "do as I say, not as I do" 60's era may not have any clue how to intervene. They may confuse being liberal with saying "yes" or letting their kids "find their own way." Once you start off down that path, it's tough to get off. It's hard work to tell a kid "no" because there has to be a pattern of trust and respect for the parent's opinion built up over the years. That "no" needs to be qualified with "....and this is why." No namby-pamby pussyfooting around with their authority. The parent(s) have got to understand what it means for a kid to "explore" and "do their own thing," and what it means to flirt with disaster. And how to be involved every step of the way in a manner that encourages a child's independence yet provides the guardrails to keep them on a good, healthy path. Easy to write, hard to do. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:17:33 EDT From: DreamZvil@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Colorado In a message dated 4/25/99 12:50:06 PM !!!First Boot!!!, MGVal@aol.com writes: << The profiles that I've read so far have said that the boys' immersion into the "trench coats" was less than a year old. I don't think that a parent could have missed the transformation but I do believe that they could have taken the easy, non-confrontational role of believing "it's just a phase and they'll grow out of it." >> Interesting thoughts from all! I used to work at a high school as an aide - it was a small campus and the social hierarchy was very subdued. But I remember the "trenchcoat kids" being existence even there. They, and many other kids, including my own, getting very involved with role-playing games, and many other activities now condemned as promoting random violence. I saw none of that. I had them over to my house much of the time, and all their activities were very benign and imagination-oriented. They did art, wrote poetry, and played a lot of music (mostly classic rock from the '70's!). It's scary that people so often think they have to classify what "group" their fellow human beings are in. And then begin to think themselves superior to that group. This is what begins the nasty cycle of segregation, isolation, and the illusion of separate-ness. I shy away from the theory that there is any one "group" or sociological reason responsible for murderous behavior. There are *many* mental, emotional, and physical ailments that are more *prevalent* now, that can result in a violent mindset, however; and that can be aggravated by certain sociological situations. Just a theory. :) Susan of Dreamzville PS: Good to be back! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:10:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: JMDLer's do win Just received notice from Wally that I won a free copy of Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell. Thanks for putting the contest on the web site Wally. Jerry, packing for Mexico! np: Steve Goodman - Say It In Private ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:32:43 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: NJC re: Colorado P. Henry wrote: > *donning asbestos jumpsuit* > I have faithfully skipped every single post on this topic, simply too heartsick to read opinions or > anymore about this tragedy than what CNN has already told me... until now. (guess I just got numb) I have skipped a lot of the posting on this subject myself. But today I have read some on the digest lists and they are good.... Colin writes about the unseen connection among us all and how one's thoughts and feelings have an impact on everyone else on the planet. I agree completely. Creating peace in our own hearts is the number one - and only real - solution to hate and violence. The collective lack of peace results in Littleton. P. Henry writes about The Founders (the guys who labored to write The Constitution of the USA) and how they viewed government as a necessary evil and that the Second Amendment is there to help us protect ourselves from a governemnt gone mad. I don't care what some Ivory Tower guy or Supreme Court Justice says, there is no doubt P. Henry is right on this one. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this.... especially if you look at the historical context within which these guys were writing. They didn't just hate The King and HIS government - they had the Wisdom to see that ANY government could become tyrannical. (I'm certain there would be more than a few tea parties if those brave wise souls were here today!) Sue in Colorado wrote about parents being afraid to discipline their kids. How true this is! In my youth, kids had a healthy fear of their parents. Today in Amerika, parents have an unhealthy fear of their kids. As some of you know, I work with kids in trouble with the law and have done so for 20 years. In my experience, as in Sue's, I know kids love and respect adults who provide appropriate, loving, consistent boundaries along with predictably unpleasant consequences when those boundaries are broken. THIS MAKES THEM FEEL SAFE AND LETS THEM KNOW WE CARE. When kids do not feel safe, they feel fear, then many become angry as they know on some level they are not valued. If they are not valued, can we expect them to value anything themselves? (I could write a book on the absolutely sorry so-called parenting that goes on in this country, but I will restrain myself from commenting further at the moment. Suffice it to say that having had millions of un-parented kids grow up in the USA over the last 20-30 years - narcissistic parents, kids left alone or kennelled in daycare like dogs, legions of young boys growing up with no healthy male role models in the home, ad nauseum, I am surprised there aren't more Littletons in the news.) For those who want to outlaw guns, I appreciate your passionate concern. And if there was some way to Absolutely remove every gun from the entire planet, I might agree with you. But please apply some critical thinking to this issue. How successful have we been in our multi-billion dollar decades-long war on drugs? Do you think criminals respect gun laws? Do I not have the right to protect my life in my home with a gun when some crazed whackhead comes breaking through the door? Blaming and attempting to ban objects is no solution. In the last 10 days, eight teenagers in my area have died in three separate car *accidents* - in each case they were acting irresponsibly. But I hear no local discussion of making cars illegal or making laws to keep kids out of cars until they are 21 years old or anything of the kind. Yet more kids die in auto and auto/alcohol related *accidents* every year than from gun violence. But of course it is convenient for most of us to have a car, and so we're willing to see what - 75,000 or so people a year die in auto accidents? Maybe if they all died on one day, we would look at it differently. Okay.... I better end this here. Don... still wondering how we can be stunned by Littleton while at the same time pouring gasoline on the raging fires in Yugoslavia. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:55:57 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: RE: NJC CURIOUS: re: NJC Colorado Marcel writes: "> I* have a question: Why is it taking days now to give us the background on > the parents of these Kids. It seems to me that whenever any big crime is > committed there is an immediate run down on who they are and what they are > all ablout. NOW all of a sudden we have a blackout. COULD IT BE that they are > peace-nic lefties ? Could it be they are politically correct people ?" Marcel, You and I may be following different news sources, but I haven't felt that there's been a "blackout" about the parents of the two gunmen, or at least, that I know any less about them than I did about Timothy McVeigh's family five days after he was considered a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing. Indeed, a recent newspaper article identified one of the fathers as a retired geophysicist, and his wife as an advocate for obtaining educational services for disabled children. The same article also mentioned some details about the parents of the other boy, and even, for what it's worth, the recent property assessments on their respective homes! If there is a difference in coverage, it may possibly be due to the fact that, however horrific the actions of these teenagers unquestionably were, their families, unlike the McVeighs, are also grieving the completely unexpected and incomprehensible deaths of their children. I'm slow to give the news media credit (apologies to any members of the fourth estate out there!), but maybe that's actually influencing the coverage. And I must confess that I am perplexed by your speculation that the parents may have been "politically correct" or "peaceniks." Is your point that the so-called "liberal media" is protecting its own? Even more, does using labels highlighting the viewpoints that divide us as a society without including constructive criticism or attempts at formulating a solution contribute meaningfully to the discussion about this tragic event? Retreating to my bunker (but I love a good debate!), Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:18:26 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Colorado[njc] From: luvart@snet.net Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:30:20 -0400 At 09:08 AM 4/23/99 -0700, jan gyn wrote: >I'm horrified by the event in Colorado, but I know that when I re-view (the >good parts) of movies like 'Carrie' or, say, 'Heathers', I identify with >the misfit and get a total rush from the annihilation inflicted on the >prevailing social order. >-jan > > Hmmmm .... the revenge of the misfits. I've seen both of these movies. Don't you think movies like these are "fuel for the fire" ?? Don't be afraid ... ;-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:39:16 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Joni's Radiance "All this talk about holiness now..." I too had the privilege and honor to see Joni face to face. And yes, she does glow. I believe that part of the glow was the result of the devout fans in the audience, a kind of osmosis of love and adoration from her fans... My comment is that I feel that wrinkles add to the beauty of a face. I didn't notice any wrinkles on Joni's face, she can only be more beautiful with the addition of wrinkles. These last few days I've replayed this line from "Sex Kills" in my head: "Little kids packin' guns to school..." If anything good can come from the Colorado tragedy it's opening the door to discussion. The Chinese think that crisis provides opportunity. It's time for a long and hard look at priorities. What price do we pay when both parents are working full time and when they are home they are too busy to notice what's going on in the lives of their children? Can we talk? Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:34:44 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDLer's do win In a message dated 4/25/1999 12:08:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << Just received notice from Wally that I won a free copy of Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell. Thanks for putting the contest on the web site Wally. Jerry, packing for Mexico! np: Steve Goodman - Say It In Private >> Hey, how do I get in on the contest??? Catgirl...still trying to find my way around these parts! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:32:58 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Colorado In a message dated 4/25/1999 8:50:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << The profiles that I've read so far have said that the boys' immersion into the "trench coats" was less than a year old. I don't think that a parent could have missed the transformation but I do believe that they could have taken the easy, non-confrontational role of believing "it's just a phase and they'll grow out of it." >> I heard on the news that they were planning this for a year. Scarey to think the whole past year they were thinking about killing all those people or even more. Luckiely the whole school did not get blown up. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:56:31 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC > Marcel writes: > > "> I* have a question: Why is it taking days now to give us the background > on > > the parents of these Kids. It seems to me that whenever any big crime is > > committed there is an immediate run down on who they are and what they are > > all ablout. NOW all of a sudden we have a blackout. COULD IT BE that they > are > > peace-nic lefties ? Could it be they are politically correct people ?" What the hell kind of statement is this, Marrcel? The school killer in Oregon got his guns from his parents; they bought him his guns, and may they rest in peace. The Arkansas killers got their guns from parents and grandparents, proud members of the NRA. Eric Harris grew up, for a few years, in Michigan on a military base, and in New York on a military base, his father being in the military. Do you want us to draw inferences from these facts, as you make insinutaions from nothing? Mary P., thank you for pointing out that: > > > Marcel, > > You and I may be following different news sources, but I haven't felt that > there's been a "blackout" about the parents of the two gunmen, or at least, > that I know any less about them than I did about Timothy McVeigh's family > five days after he was considered a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing. > Indeed, a recent newspaper article identified one of the fathers as a > retired geophysicist, and his wife as an advocate for obtaining educational > services for disabled children. The same article also mentioned some > details about the parents of the other boy, and even, for what it's worth, > the recent property assessments on their respective homes! If there is a > difference in coverage, it may possibly be due to the fact that, however > horrific the actions of these teenagers unquestionably were, their families, > unlike the McVeighs, are also grieving the completely unexpected and > incomprehensible deaths of their children. I'm slow to give the news media > credit (apologies to any members of the fourth estate out there!), but maybe > that's actually influencing the coverage. > > And I must confess that I am perplexed by your speculation that the parents > may have been "politically correct" or "peaceniks." Is your point that the > so-called "liberal media" is protecting its own? Even more, does using > labels highlighting the viewpoints that divide us as a society without > including constructive criticism or attempts at formulating a solution > contribute meaningfully to the discussion about this tragic event? > > Retreating to my bunker (but I love a good debate!), > > Mary P. I quote Mary P. at length because what she says is better than I could say it. I hope to be gentle and caring and fun on the JMDL, but Marcel, your comments are out of line, IMHO, and to sleep with myself tonight, I have to respond. Mary, stay out of the bunker; we need you! (the Rev) Vince NP: Sex Kills" Little kids packin' guns to school...this massive mess we're in! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:35:34 -0500 From: The Humphreys Subject: Re: computer troubles (NJC) Hi! I'm currently living in Anderson, S.C. (close to Bob). I hail from Asheville, N.C. originally. My husband, the Humphreys part of my name, is from Montclair, N.J. He grew in West Caldwell, N.J. His roots originate in Mount Sterling, K.Y. We don't frequently see our last name spelled "eys", normally spelled "ies". Do you have any family from these places? Suzanne NP: Jerry Douglas..."Things In Life" (gearing up for Merle Watson Festival next weekend...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:39:00 -0500 From: The Humphreys Subject: Re: computer troubles (NJC) My last post was in response to this message...I forgot to "quote"...ooops Suzanne CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > >> > My maiden name is Humphreys....where are youfrom? I live in PA..... > Catgirl JMDL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:39:27 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: The Ultimate Concert Paul from London wrote that >My first Joni concert was at the Royal Festival Hall (on the South Bank of >the River Thames) back in 1972 supported by newcomer Jackson Browne, Paul, I was at that South Bank show too. I remember most of it still. She started with This Flight Tonight and then lots of new songs from For The Roses, 7 months before it's release. I was enthralled by the long talks between songs and her great sense of humor in coping with sound problems. Later that summer I saw her again, taping a show in the BBC. Then it was back to the south bank for Sandy Denny's first show after leaving the Fairports. Those were the days. Philip NP Nightmares on Wax - Carboot Soul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:09:15 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: Colorado -- and another thing... P. Henry wrote: "...no, my friends, it is much too late for lobbying!" Pat (you've got yer asbestos suit on, right?)-- While I DO honor your right to have and express whatever opinion you want, I must counter it with my own humble opinion and say that I find this a tragic and ignorant point of view. Many of us believe that the epicenter of the Columbine H.S. tragedy is, if not outright bad parenting, then at least indifferent parenting, and this must be changed through awareness and education. But in the meantime, what about the guns? What would you have us do -- surrender civilization to gun-toting maniacs? Arm and barricade ourselves in our homes, relegating fellowship and human contact to short, suspicious spurts of necessity? (Or perhaps rely solely on e-mail and discussion lists?) Although I'd probably love to try out your lifestyle, I doubt that most of us can afford or would desire to live on an island in the middle of nowhere. No, my friends, IT IS NEVER TOO LATE to try to change the world, and that includes our bad laws. The Second Amendment has outlived its original intent. When, exactly, was the last time you thought you needed to protect yourself against marauding G-men? GET REAL! Now 2A serves a purpose which is proving to endanger innocent lives, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, regardless of how it was framed. REPEAL 2A! Somebody find me that Margaret Mead quote: (in effect) 'Never doubt that an individual's efforts can change things; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.' Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:23:06 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Colorado -- and another thing... In a message dated 4/25/99 8:08:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, netgirl@ctos.com writes: > Somebody find me that Margaret Mead quote: (in effect) 'Never doubt > that an individual's efforts can change things; indeed, it is the only > thing that ever has.' The quote goes like this: Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world: indeed it's the only thing that ever has. Kate states: < < Many of us believe that the epicenter of the Columbine H.S. tragedy is, if not outright bad parenting, then at least indifferent parenting, and this must be changed through awareness and education. < < This from Reiters news service: Tipper Gore, wife of Vice President Al Gore, struck a different tone in an interview on ABC's ''This Week,'' saying Americans should feel great compassion for the parents of Harris and Klebold. ''They have suffered loss on a scale that is hard to imagine -- their own children and the guilt and the burden that they will have to live with all the rest of their lives,'' she said. I think Tipper Gore should be commended for having the compassion and courage to make a statement that may strike an unpopular chord with many Americans right now. We simply don't know enough about the situation to pass such harsh judgment on these people. I feel as much for them as I do for the parents of the other children who are dead. As a person immersed professionally in parenting education, I have to come to the defense of parents who, despite every effort at being conscientious and dedicated, have children who grow up to have all sorts of problems. Some things are simply beyond our control. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:37:50 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC re: Colorado In a message dated 4/25/99 11:43:53 AM Central Daylight Time, Don Sloan fires off: << Do I not have the right to protect my life in my home with a gun when some crazed whackhead comes breaking through the door? Blaming and attempting to ban objects is no solution. >> This concept of having a gun in your house to protect yourself from some "crazed whackhead" is one of the roots of this whole mess. Statistically, when someone is killed in their own home (which is NOT an uncommon occurence), 75% of the time they are killed with their OWN GUN! The vast majority of break-ins occur when you're out of your home, so your gun exists solely to be found by some kid or stolen by someone else or used by you or another family member against another family member in a moment of heated argument. Does anybody really think they're gonna be standing there with their finger on the trigger ready to fire when someone, crazed whackhead or otherwise, busts into their home? It's laughable. The deadly trait of all of these scholl shootings is EASY ACCESS to guns. It's certainly not the ONLY cause, but it's a principal suspect to be sure... Bob NP: Jamiroquoi, don't know the name, my son found it on the street... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:57:19 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: Guns/Colorado NJC If getting rid of guns would stop the killing I'm all for it. I'll even go out and be more dedicated than the Jehovah's Witnesses, more diligent than the LDS missionaries , knocking on doors. If people didn't have guns they would find other ways to kill (i.e. Bombs,machetes,etc..) Education, compassion,dialogues, responsibilities, understanding, PRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH!!! That's how you stop the killing. Not with force, guns, and more laws. Like Joni said "down to you." Later Gene ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:58:19 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: virus warning - CIH aka. Chernobyl - --part1_86ff97e0.2455304b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_86ff97e0.2455304b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb05.mx.aol.com (rly-zb05.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.5]) by air-zb01.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:39:54 -0400 Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by rly-zb05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id UAA28925 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20632 invoked by alias); 25 Apr 1999 23:44:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 20512 invoked from network); 25 Apr 1999 23:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ocis.ocis.net) (209.52.173.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 23:44:04 -0000 Received: from mail.ocis.net (dial-60.ocis.net [209.52.173.238]) by ocis.ocis.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA17825; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:37:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3723B502.8C2402AE@mail.ocis.net> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:36:19 -0700 From: K Symons X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: pregnantpagans Mailing-List: list paganchat@onelist.com; contact paganchat-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list paganchat@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: paganchat@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [paganchat] virus warning - CIH aka. 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I thought of you today as I was looking at my Joni "Friends of animals" poster I got while at Julie Z's party last year. Beside it, I have a calandar filled with Georgia O'Keefe paintings. It's becoming my "Joni wall." On the other side of the wall is my husband's Star Trek poster, calandar, and clock. The room is a tribute to our unique individualities. I tried to explain Joni to someone who never heard of her last week. I described her as an artist and a poet as well as a musician and songwriter. The person told me about a book of poetry the singer Jewell had published recently. I had to let her know who the "originator" was. I really peaked her interest because she truly was not aware that this had been done before. I really would like to read Jewell's poetry. I don't want to compare her to Joni because that wouldn't be fair. Joni is and always will be, in a class by herself. I'm not sure if I am historically correct by calling Joni "the originator," but I know she's pretty darn close! On a personal note, I'd like to say that I've been shamefully self-absorbed with my career as well as my personal life. I'm doing fine now, but I had a few minor set backs earlier this year. In January, I thought I was having a heart attack and had to be admitted into the hospital for several days. What I had was an ulcer on my esophagus which gave me heart attack symptoms. I also learned that I do have the beginnings of artheriosclerosis after having a heart catherization done . Pretty much scared the crap out of me! It's just a small blockage in one artery; I'm not even on medication. So now I'm "attempting" to exercise to my Tae-Bo tape semi-regularly. Apparently this is hereditary as I neither drink or smoke. I had none of the "factors" as my doctor put it. Their first signal that something was wrong was when the nitro "worked" in the emergency room. This, apparently, was not a good sign, even though I kept insisting it was "gas." Shortly after that, the bloodletting began. Taking nitro, by the way, is akin to be cracked in the head, full-force, with a baseball bat! Nasty stuff! Anyway guys, I miss you and hope everyone is doing well. Love to you all! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:37:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC:blimey As you know we moved to the country 4 weeks ago this coming wednesday. Last friday, I went to have a fiitness test. I haven't exercised for a while due to all the upheaval. I smoke and I am overweight. My blood pressure was normal and my pulse rate had dropped to 70 resting and I my breath rate(have to breath into a machine) was also normal. Also, on the treadmill(uphill), I did not reach my 75% heart rate(135bpm) for 5 minutes. All of which is good. I am just amazed that in less than four weeks the stress symptoms, high pulse and pressure and short breath, have gone! bw colin - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #182 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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