From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #178 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, April 23 1999 Volume 04 : Number 178 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Cities vs. Country (NJC) ["paul tyrer" ] RE: pwwam my first time [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Reply to Marcel (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Portishead vs. JM ["paul tyrer" ] Re: Portishead vs. JM [jan gyn ] NJC: Colorado [Kate Tarasenko ] Colorado (NJC) [Sue ] Re: Cities vs Country NJC [catman ] tv-turnoff week (njc) [some millers ] JC: A Walk On The Moon [Bounced Message ] TapeTree #8 ~ Cassette [simon@icu.com] TapeTree #8 ~ Announcement [simon@icu.com] TapeTree #8 ~ DAT [simon@icu.com] the History of 'Twisted' [simon@icu.com] RE: pwwam my first time (jc) [patrick leader ] Re: JC: A Walk On The Moon [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Re: NJC: Colorado [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: videos [CaTGirl627@aol.com] TapeTree #8 is open for sign-ups [Les Irvin ] Re: Colorado (NJC) [David Wright ] Re: Peter Gabriel, Anne Sexton, Laurie Anderson (NJC) [Joseph Palis ] Re: the History of 'Twisted' [Joseph Palis ] JMDL Post reactions: NJC [Vince Lavieri ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:19:37 +0100 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Cities vs. Country (NJC) Hi Colin I'm sorry you feel so negatively about cities - but I do understand... Your experiences and John's as posted since I've been on the list have sounded awful! But I must say a word or two in support of cities (even though my car got stolen today in the city!! It's been found but it's probably fucked). Whenever I hit the country, I always feel slightly queasy. I totter (in my ridiculous but still cool designer shoes) as everyone else walks by in SENSIBLE CLOTHING! ARGGH! Why the walking boot was not outlawed years ago I'll never know. And the pac-a-mac. And flasks. And the food (in Britain anyway) in the country is always dire. Whereas in the city, you can get houmous on your sandwich, or good cheese (i.e. not rubber) or roasted veggies... And the bread's not always white and curly. And the weather in the country is always worse because in the city if it rains there's always shelter, whereas in the country you get wet and miserable. And if it's sunny you just get burned. Also, there's no anonymity in the country - whereas in cities there's so many people you can be and do what you like, pretty much. And while cities are fulla gay men, the country (in my experience but correct me if I'm wrong) is fulla lesbians with no gay men in sight - which is fantastic if you're a lesbian, but not so great if you're a gay man... (My ex-partner is thinking of moving to Hebden Bridge (country - horror!) and I'm desperately thinking of ways to dissuade him. Suggestions on postcards please.) Anyway, huge generalizations I know (my speciality), but the country makes me dizzy! Lots of love PX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:21:15 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: pwwam my first time A new friend (welcome!) wrote: <<>> This is the most brilliant thing I have ever read!! OK, so maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, but it still would rock!! - --Michael, drooling at the thought ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:32:29 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Reply to Marcel (NJC) From: "paul tyrer" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:58:45 +0100 Marcel writes: Environment. Not the environment (the= home, neighborhood, etc) as they have termed it, but the environment the progressives created. The one in which religion is evil to have in the schools. Where no one can judge ethics, morals, and civility because everything is ok.The "environment" is the one in which the schools are prevented from ferreting out deviants or imposing discipline. Mutants are allowed to disrupt the entire school and win lawsuits if they are punished. The government and the academics have been on an all out crusade to outlaw the concepts of personal responsibility, individual rights, and the sanctity of life. There are no absolutes, no right and no wrong. In fact you are deserving of ridicule to claim there is. Paul writes: Dear Marcel I thought your post was intriguing. I consider myself 'progressive', but that doesn't mean I think 'there is no right or wrong' or that 'everything is OK'. Progressive to me means that bullying (attitudes, comments, violence) is always wrong. It means homophobia (attitudes, comments, violence) is always wrong. It means sexism and racism (attitudes, comments, violence) are always wrong. Those are some of the ethics my school (with a religious service every single morning) failed spectacularly to uphold. My ethical beliefs also nod to the fact that more wrongs have been committed in the name of religion than anything else. I really don't think a religious service would have made any difference to events in Colorado... Concepts of 'personal responsibility' are important to me too: discrimination is wrong, bigotry is wrong - if someone behaves in a bigoted or discriminatory way, I believe they should be punished. They should have to take responsibility for their actions and try and deal with their hatred of others. And I don't quite know what you mean by 'deviants' or by 'mutants' (these words and 'ferreting out' worried me a little). It's easy to blame 'the bad apples' - but clearly there's a widespread cultural problem in schools that makes shootings like this possible in the first place. Schools need to do a lot of soul-searching right now - it's not enough to ban guns (though see my point below) or to introduce metal detectors in school doors. It's more important that schools ask themselves why it is that young men - however disturbed - decide to take guns and bombs *into their premises* and cause death and destruction. What is it about the experience of young people in schools that makes young men want to 'take revenge'? And to come to your war-related point about gun control... If the Serbian police had not been armed to the teeth, the genocide against the Kosovars might not have even started. British police don't carry guns (It's true!), and get shot less often than police officers anywhere else in Europe. PX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:48:52 +0100 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Portishead vs. JM Hey Jerry What a cool idea - Portishead mixing/producing Joni on Comes Love. I'd LOVE to see our Joan doing something experimental like that. What about some input from Lauren Hill on Trouble Man while we're at it! PX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:03:15 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Portishead vs. JM >What a cool idea - Portishead mixing/producing Joni on Comes Love. I'd LOVE >to see our Joan doing something experimental like that. What about some >input from Lauren Hill on Trouble Man while we're at it! >PX Joni and Massive Attack. That's my dream pairing. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:31:12 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: Colorado I wrote: "I heard someone wonder out loud whether it wasn't a 'millennium thing.'" Then Debra wrote: "Actually I mentioned that, in addition to many other things, as adding anxiety in this society, NOT as a direct reason for the kids to act as they did." Debra, I actually was referring to someone else, not on the JMDL. I didn't mean to imply that you (or that other person) said or meant that Y2K was a reason for the carnage. But I agree with you; there IS a lot of anxiety and uncertainty over the new millennium. Then you wrote: "Road-rage and adults fired from their jobs killing their boss and co-workers come to mind also; it's not just kids that now "solve" their problems so violently." A positively striking point to address -- there's something new in our culture, I believe, that many people interpret as some kind of permission to express themselves, including their rage, no matter how uncontrolled or out of proportion or ill-considered. I'd like to wring Jerry Springer's neck (figure of speech!) for making entertainment out of those poor lost souls so easily baited, apparently undereducated, and totally enveloped in their narrow little worlds that hanging out their dirty laundry on national TV is what's going to rock their little worlds for years to come -- they actually find value and validation in this -- what a horrendous pity! But Springer is a SYMPTOM and an EXPLOITER -- I don't mean to indict him as a cause, but sometimes I DO wonder... I say the same about other forms of "entertainment," which fall under the category of Woes of America (and the World). Heading the top of my list of Causes, though, is poor parenting -- Kakki and others said it well. But I never meant to imply that these many factors were meaningless, just SECONDARY in the face of all these DEATHS. Again, I'd like to see the guns gone first -- this sense of entitlement to one's rage and how to undo the damage at the hands of bad parents -- these are far more difficult problems to solve which require time. I'd much rather try to reason with someone who is angry, frustrated, confused and desperate, but who isn't also holding a gun in my face or skulking the hallways looking for someone, anyone, to unload it into. Kate in CO (soon to be in the thick of it w/CNN in Littleton) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:10:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: Colorado (NJC) It still hasn't set in two days later. I go over and over the tragedy in my head thinking what might have been done to curtail it. As I am in a small K-12 district this kind of incident seems like it could never happen here, yet the indicators are present. Tuesday we were eating lunch in the lounge when a teacher came in to announce the shooting. I hurried down to my lab (wired with cable) and turned on CNN. The images haunted me the rest of the school day. At recess I pulled apart two 3rd grade boys who are big fans of the WWF and "Stone Cold" Steve Austin. The one boy told me to let go of him or his dad would sue me. About 10 minutes later a mom walked out to the playground and wanted to pick up her children. I asked if she had checked them out in the attendance office. She told me that she didn't have to sign some damn paper to take home her own kids. I tried to explain to the irate mother that this was a safety precaution put in place to keep track of our students. She had no regard for the rule and stomped past me to get her kids. I am proud to say that we teach conflict resolution and BoysTown social skills. We are one of two rural schools nationwide in the running for a grant funding an after school program promoting good choices for middle schoolers. We are currently operating this program through a mini-grant. Even though we are doing all of these good things, we only impact about 1/3 of a child's day. Kids need to be guided by parents who are not afraid of discipline. Parents are worried that their decisions will make their children hate them. It seems that as a generation we are trying so hard to do things differently than our parents did that we forget we turned out o.k. I do not fear my children and students hating me because I make them tow the line. I think that they feel safe with me knowing that there will be quick and fair consequences for misbehavior. After detention today I heard two of our more infamous students talking about how "cool" they thought the shootings were. I nailed them to the wall. After a ten minute lecture they looked at me glassy-eyed. Did I get through to them? I'm not sure. Did I try? You're darn right. Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 03:07:01 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Cities vs Country NJC paul tyrer wrote: > Hi Colin > > I'm sorry you feel so negatively about cities - but I do understand... Your > experiences and John's as posted since I've been on the list have sounded > awful! But I must say a word or two in support of cities (even though my > car got stolen today in the city!! It's been found but it's probably > fucked). SEE?!!! > > > Whenever I hit the country, I always feel slightly queasy. I totter (in my > ridiculous but still cool designer shoes) as everyone else walks by in > SENSIBLE CLOTHING! ARGGH! Why the walking boot was not outlawed years ago > I'll never know. And the pac-a-mac. And flasks. But I have seen loads of people walking around with evrything pirced-eyebrows, toungues, lips, haven't seen any of the lower bits! Also, lots of hippy types. AND the local late shop(till 10pm 7days) is owned by a couple-blonde woman and her child and her 'man' who is a woman in the process of changing to a man! AND they sell gay news and erouboy and vulcan etc!!!! > > > And the food (in Britain anyway) in the country is always dire. Whereas in > the city, you can get houmous on your sandwich, or good cheese (i.e. not > rubber) or roasted veggies... And the bread's not always white and curly. Well, things have changed. Good food here and sarnies. But i also like country food. in fact i cooked a country chicken hot pot tonight for my friends, Ling, Carol and jaqui. > > > And the weather in the country is always worse because in the city if it > rains there's always shelter, whereas in the country you get wet and > miserable. And if it's sunny you just get burned. Okay-I have discovered that rain here(as it has been for the last week!) is different. can't ride my bike. Can't put my washing out. And I get wet if out. BUT at least i can be out without the car and feel safe! > > > Also, there's no anonymity in the country - whereas in cities there's so > many people you can be and do what you like, pretty much. mmmm-well i am a good boy so don't edpect any prying eyes to see anything like haords of men decending on my house. In gfact it is always women arriving and jaqui is very attractive. Will ruin my rep! And next week i start doing my readings again and already have a few booked up. I did loads in London but quit in 94 when i felt I could not give my best work due to the shit in my own lfe. I will certainly need the extra money. Just found out that owning your home is more expensive than not! We are having to budget for the first time ever. Scary! > > > And while cities are fulla gay men, the country (in my experience but > correct me if I'm wrong) is fulla lesbians with no gay men in sight - which > is fantastic if you're a lesbian, but not so great if you're a gay man... > (My ex-partner is thinking of moving to Hebden Bridge (country - horror!) Well, I am only interested in the one other gay man and he lives with me! Actually there are quite a few here i am told. 5 go to my dog training evening. Haven';t met any lesbians-although there is that couple in the late shop but ado they count as lesbians? > and I'm desperately thinking of ways to dissuade him. Suggestions on > postcards please.) Tell him you can't get KY in the country! > > > Anyway, huge generalizations I know (my speciality), but the country makes > me dizzy! Makes me dizzy with delight. Tho I have yet to see any really attractive men. Thought I'd find myself a farmhand for the week evenings whilst john is way but nothing around! luv colin > Lots of love > PX - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:13:56 -0400 (EDT) From: some millers Subject: tv-turnoff week (njc) howdy- long time no post, but still lurking a bit... anyway, while reading today's issue of our local weekly arts/alternative newspaper (metroland) i stumbled upon the fact that april 22-28, 1999 is international tv-turnoff week. for further details, check-out these pages: http://www3.mistral.co.uk/whitedot/turnoff.html http://www.tvfa.org/turnoff.html all for now. buenas noches- paul s.bethlehem, ny npimh - Stokely Carmichael: "the revolution will not be televised." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:22:43 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: JC: A Walk On The Moon Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:09:28 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Hi Everybody, Just "bouncing" in to report that I was delighted to discover Wednesday night--that in the new movie, "A Walk On The Moon," Joni Mitchell's "Cactus Tree" is used in the soundtrack----along with a lot more more cuts from Judy Collins. The story takes place in the summer of 1969 in the summer cottages in the Catskills, where a middle class Jewish housewife, (Diane Lane,) takes her curlers out and "lets her hair down" while having a brief fling with a gentle hippy who comes to the cottages to sell t-shirts. (Whenever an actress's hairstyle goes from that "Petticoat Junction" "flip-bob" to a frizzy/wavy Carole King hairstyle as in "Tapestry," well, you just know, that she finally inhaled. The film has some wonderful touches ---for example, Julie Kavner can be heard as the announcer on the PA system: "Shlomie Cohen's Bar Mitzvah home-movies will be shown in the main lodge at 7:00 PM." Go see it. - -Julie Z. Webb, Don Juan's Fertile Daughter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:15:26 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ Cassette JMDL TapeTree #8 - -------------------- Cassette #1 ~ C100 - -------------------- JONI MITCHELL A DAY IN THE GARDEN (Stereo SOUNDBOARD Recording) Yasgur's Farm Bethel, N.Y. aug. 15, 1998 1. Hejira 2. Comes Love 3. Facelift 4. Summertime 5. The Crazy Cries Of Love 6. No Apologies 7. Sex Kills 8. The Magdalene Laundries 9. Black Crow 10. Moon At The Window ------------------ 11. Slouching Towards Bethlehem 12. Just Like This Train 13. Big Yellow Taxi 14. Trouble Man 15. Woodstock **BONUS TRACKS** BILLIE HOLIDAY 16. Comes Love MILES DAVIS 17. Summertime MARVIN GAYE 18. Trouble Man BILLIE HOLIDAY 19. Summertime WARDELL GRAY 20. Twisted (Original 'Instrumental' Version) - -------------------- Cassette #2 ~ C100 - -------------------- JONI MITCHELL Corel Centre Kanata, Ontario Oct. 30, 1998 1. Big Yellow Taxi 2. Just Like This Train 3. Night Ride Home 4. The Crazy Cries Of Love 5. Free Man In Paris 6. Harry's House 7. Black Crow 8. Amelia 9. Hejira 10. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ---------------------------------------------- 11. Face Lift 12. Sex Kills 13. The Magdalene Laundries 14. Moon At The Window 15. Trouble Man 16. Comes Love 17. Woodstock - -------------------- Cassette #3 ~ C110 - -------------------- 'BACK TO THE GARDEN' A TRIBUTE T0 JONI MITCHELL Intrepid Records (CD #N21-00016) BIG FAITH 1. Free Man In Paris SARA CRAIG 2. This Flight Tonight UNIVERSAL HONEY 3. Carey LORRAINE SCOTT 4. Big Yellow Taxi MOLLY JOHNSON 5. Black Crow ANDY STOCHANSKY 6. The Beat Of Black Wings MARTHA and THE MUFFINS 7. Shades Of Scarlett Conquering FUNKY BUMMER (featuring Anne Beadle) 8. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns HUGH MARSH, JONATHAN GOLDSMITH, ROB PILTCH & MARTIN TIELLI 9. River KURT SWINGHAMMER 10. You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio SPIRIT OF THE WEST 11. Coyote W.O.W. 12. Woodstock JENNY WHITELY 13. Night In The City SLOAN 14. A Case Of You SQUIDDLY (featuring Maria del Mar) 15. Blonde In The Bleachers JOHN CODY & MARTI JONES 16. Songs To Aging Children Come ROCKET SCIENCE (featuring Laura Hubert & Art Bergmann) 17. Refuge Of The Road **BONUS TRACKS** ANNIE LENNOX 18. Ladies Of The Canyon CLAIRE MARTIN 19. Be Cool PAT MARTINO 20. Both Sides Now JOSHUA REDMAN 21. Interlude / I Had A King PAT MARTINO 22. Both Sides Now (w/Cassandra Wilson, vocal) DAVE DOUGLAS 23. Roses Blue 24. My Old Man 25. The Same Situation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:15:13 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ Announcement re: TapeTree #8 every now and again, if you're lucky, a concert experience overwhelms and you find yourself deep within what i refer to as the 'Magic Moment' ... that rare concert where the music is right, the groove is tight, and you *know* it's Perfect ... as it's happening. i've shared a number of these experiences with other audience members over the years. one such 'Magic Moment' was last may 16th at the Gorge Amphitheatre when Joni Mitchell gave one of the most amazing performances of her lifetime. i say that having seen quite a few myself as far back as 1967, as well as all seven 'road' shows last may. this concert was offered to JMDL members as part of TapeTree #7 sourced from my own little DAT souvenir from the 17th row center. another 'Magic Moment' Concert Experience occured last august on Yasgur's Farm at a little concert event called 'A Day In The Garden'. this time in the company of 40-50 other JMDL members down front, 10-15 ft. directly in front of Joni herself. a unique shared experience was enjoyed by all as we shared the community of each others' company in the musical presence Joni Mitchell ... She who brings us all together in the first place. most of those at the concert (all i could identify) have been reliving this experience thru another little DAT sourvenir. a rather excellent audience recording if i say so myself. THIS 'recording' is not being TreeD. however, as the great philosopher Yoda once stated, "There Is Another". a Stereo SOUNDBOARD Recording of this special event *is* offered to JMDL members as 1-of-3 recordings on TapeTree #8. Be prepared ... you will be pleased. take my word for it! BTW: 'A Day In The Garden' is one of only two performances of "No Apologies" and the only one we have on tape. on Mon. March 29, Wally Breese wrote ... >_________________________________________________________________________ >Subject: Kanata 'Concert' Photos & JONI LIVE 1998 > >Hi everyone, > >On Joni's tour last October and November, I arranged to have a >reporter/photographer from the JM Internet Community at each show, and >everyone did a wonderful job relating their experiences on the road >with Joni. For the Kanata, Ontario show, Brett Code of the JMDL was my >reporter, and his only disappointment was that his photographs did not >come out. He has now very kindly searched down shots of that show from >another source and I've put them up on the page that covers the Kanata >show. On a related note, simon and I have been talking about the next >TapeTree for the JMDL, and we're leaning towards including this show >because Joni and the band's performance is amazing and it's one of the >longer shows. Have a look at these brand new photos: > >http://www.jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainKanata1098.html > >Later, >Wally Breese >The Joni Mitchell Homepage >http://www.JoniMitchell.com well as Wally says, we've been talking. we've been deciding too. Joni's Concert from the Corel Center in Kanata, Ontario is the 2nd recording included on the JMDL TapeTree #8. one of the stronger performances from the most recent Tour. an extremely interesting show that also happens to be the longest show of the Tour (1hr 25min). finally. with a forthcoming (so-called) Tribute CD in the works, we decided it was time to offer up the 1st Joni Mitchell Tribute CD, an *out-of-print* Canadian CD released by the defunct Intrepid Records. 'BACK TO THE GARDEN, A Tribute To Joni Mitchell', is a CD i've been listening to quite a bit lately, even before i started dubbing BranchLeader cassettes last weekend. there are some really interesting interpretations and alternate arrangements of Joni's songs on this release. it's got a lot going for it and is MuchFun. well folks, that's it for now. TapeTree #8 ~ offered to JMDL members without greed or need for personal profits, out of Love *and respect* for the Art, Artistry and Music of Joni Mitchell. full details and contents to follow. i DO hope you enjoy. Remember, share the joy ~ spread the music. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- PS: now 'Traveling Miles' with Cassandra as guide. enjoyable trip with the 'New Moon Daughter' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:15:38 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ DAT JMDL TapeTree #8 - -------------- Dat #1 ~ 90m - -------------- JONI MITCHELL Corel Centre Kanata, Ontario Oct. 30, 1998 1. Big Yellow Taxi 2. Just Like This Train 3. Night Ride Home 4. The Crazy Cries Of Love 5. Free Man In Paris 6. Harry's House 7. Black Crow 8. Amelia 9. Hejira 10. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 11. Face Lift 12. Sex Kills 13. The Magdalene Laundries 14. Moon At The Window 15. Trouble Man 16. Comes Love 17. Woodstock JONI MITCHELL A DAY IN THE GARDEN Yasgur's Farm Bethel, N.Y. aug. 15, 1998 1. Hejira 2. Comes Love 3. Facelift 4. Summertime 5. The Crazy Cries Of Love 6. No Apologies 7. Sex Kills 8. The Magdalene Laundries 9. Black Crow 10. Moon At The Window 11. Slouching Towards Bethlehem 12. Just Like This Train 13. Big Yellow Taxi 14. Trouble Man 15. Woodstock **BONUS TRACKS** BILLIE HOLIDAY 16. Comes Love MILES DAVIS 17. Summertime MARVIN GAYE 18. Trouble Man BILLIE HOLIDAY 19. Summertime WARDELL GRAY 20. Twisted (Original 'Instrumental' Version) - -------------- Dat #2 ~ 60m - -------------- Back To The Garden A TRIBUTE T0 JONI MITCHELL Intrepid Records (CD #N21-00016) © 1992 BIG FAITH 1. Free Man In Paris SARA CRAIG 2. This Flight Tonight UNIVERSAL HONEY 3. Carey LORRAINE SCOTT 4. Big Yellow Taxi MOLLY JOHNSON 5. Black Crow ANDY STOCHANSKY 6. The Beat Of Black Wings MARTHA and THE MUFFINS 7. Shades Of Scarlett Conquering FUNKY BUMMER (featuring Anne Beadle) 8. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns HUGH MARSH, JONATHAN GOLDSMITH, ROB PILTCH & MARTIN TIELLI 9. River KURT SWINGHAMMER 10. You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio SPIRIT OF THE WEST 11. Coyote W.O.W. 12. Woodstock JENNY WHITELY 13. Night In The City SLOAN 14. A Case Of You SQUIDDLY (featuring Maria del Mar) 15. Blonde In The Bleachers JOHN CODY & MARTI JONES 16. Songs To Aging Children Come ROCKET SCIENCE (featuring Laura Hubert & Art Bergmann) 17. Refuge Of The Road **BONUS TRACKS** ANNIE LENNOX 18. Ladies Of The Canyon CLAIRE MARTIN 19. Be Cool PAT MARTINO 20. Both Sides Now JOSHUA REDMAN 21. Interlude / I Had A King PAT MARTINO 22. Both Sides Now (w/Cassandra Wilson, vocal) DAVE DOUGLAS 23. Roses Blue 24. My Old Man 25. The Same Situation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:15:48 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: the History of 'Twisted' with the 'Original' version of "Twisted" included on TapeTree #8 as a Bonus Track, i thought it was time to repost the following. From the JMDL Archives JMDL Digest: Vol. 2 #176 - ---------------------- History of 'Twisted' - ---------------------- From: Meriwether Jones Subject: History of 'Twisted' Date: June 12, 1997 I guess I've been out of the loop a wee bit. I had responded directly to Emily on 'Twisted' but I missed that there was a public thread spinning out on it. Here is a condensed version of two of my posts from some time ago. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Twisted is an example of a jazz form called "vocalese" wherein singers take one of their favorite sax or other solos and create lyrics so they can sing it without just scatting nonsense syllables. 1. Twisted was originally a sax instrumental by Wardell Gray, released in 1949. The disc I have it on is called "Wardell Gray Memorial, Vol. One" on Prestige. Gray played tenor sax in the bands of Earl Hines, Benny Carter, Benny Goodman (Sextet) and Count Basie. 2. Sometime in the early to mid-fifties, British singer Annie Ross wrote words to track Gray's instrumental, note for note. She tried to write lyrics that would fit his title and tone, with the result we all know and love so well. 3. Annie Ross later found two kindred spirits with whom she formed the band Lambert Hendricks & Ross. On their best album by far -- now sold on Columbia as "Everybody's Boppin" -- they recorded her version of Twisted. I have both versions, and there are a few differences, but not enough for the average listener to bother comparing. 4. Bette Midler is said (by people on this list) to have covered Twisted next. I've never heard Bette's version. 5. Then Joni covered it on C&S. She almost certainly found it on the LH&Ross album, along with Centerpiece. In Joni's Twisted she changes (or got wrong?) a few of the lyrics and melodic lines relative to either of Annie's versions. As for the original Wardell Gray instrumental, the Prestige disc has three alternate takes, which is always fun for closer analysis. Based on the alt. takes it appears that only the first part of the song -- the "head" in jazz parlance, which is repeated once at the beginning and then reprised at the end -- was composed. The part starting with the lyrics we know as "They say as a child I appeared a little bit wild..." up until the final "My analyst told me..." section was improvised and is therefore not the same on the other takes. Of course, only the one take was published back then, so that's what Annie Ross used to compose her lyrics. Although I've listened to two of Ross's versions for decades, hearing the bebop instrumental was a revelation for me. The lines sound very much like other bebop solos I know and love, some subtleties of which were lost in the translation to Annie's version, and even more of which were lost in Joni's (and, I assume, Bette Midler's) versions. The song is basically the same, yet somehow it's not. It's no longer quite bebop. As I've suggested before, I think someone should consider writing *new* lyrics to Twisted using the alt. takes and perhaps keeping Ross's three verses for the head and just exploring the Twisted theme differently on the improvised parts. Meri - ---- for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- PS: "Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:25:06 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: pwwam my first time (jc) hey chloe, welcome, >comes love> whatever it is, she could even have portishead remix it perhaps, it had that kind of feel to it especially the bass. cool idea. joni and the same band got together an arrangement of gershwin's 'summertime' that they performed at the woodstock site last summer that sounded some-what trip-hoppy. i didn't go, but someone sent me an audio tape and the first morning i listened to it, sitting in a park in ny, ny, my jaw dropped. a truly amazing version. and i just read some interview where she was talking proudly about that, i can't figure out why they didn't play it when she toured last fall, unless she was afraid it would be compared to the wonderful version she sings on herbie hancock's album, which had just been released. that you noticed the bass in the show and i noticed it in the 'woodstock' indicates that she and klein are still exploring music together. wonderful. patrick np - dusty in memphis (new extra trax) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:38:01 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Re: JC: A Walk On The Moon Hi Julie, glad to hear from you for a movie report. I just happened to see the film "A walk On The Moon" tonight and Julie beat me to the punch in telling everyone about Joni singing Cactus Tree in it. I enjoyed that the scene the song was used in, was of the main character (Diane Lane) whose name is Pearl, "bein' free" and romping through waterfalls and cavorting with "the blouse man" in sort of a montage. I've never heard my name said so many times in a couple of hours. Nor have I heard it used with a leading character who is actually young and attractive (and doing love scenes). When I was a kid I spent several summers in the bungalow colonies of the Catskills, so it brought back some vague memories. (Never heard of them being called summer cottages up there, though.) I do remember announcements over the loudspeaker of the "knish man" being there. There was also a scene at Woodstock and I think Richie Havens was singing. They also used, Dylan, The Grateful Dead, Judy Collins (Who Knows Where the Time Goes), Ian & Sylvia (White Bird) and other songs of "my generation" in the soundtrack. I was 17 in the summer of '69. It wasn't until the the winter of '70 when my hippieness emerged. It was a really nice film (produced by Dustin Hoffman and directed by Tony Goldwin. I would definitely recommend it. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:59:50 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Colorado In a message dated 4/22/1999 2:55:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dskARTS@concentric.net writes: << There's no simple answer to the "what's causing..." question, but the fact that there are so many guns available doesn't seem like enough of an answer to me. Debra Shea >> I tend to think that parents need to take time for the children. I know that can be easier said then done but we really need to make our children more of a priority. I feel it is very important to know where our kids are, check up on them often, and "get on" them from time to time about what is going on in their lives. I have a 15 year old son. He has had problems in the past ( doing stupid things and getting in trouble with the law) It is very difficult raising him at times. But one thing I always do is NEVER GIVE UP! We keep starting at ground zero and keep trying until things get going. Like Harry Chapin said...he grew up just like me, my boy was just like me.....We need to know where our kids are. I am amazed that these boys were able to make these bombs in their parents garage and no one ever checked up on them. showed any interests in their obsession with the garage. I fwe truly love our kids we need to give them something that there really is never much of and that is OUR time! Catgirl....the problem is everywhere with all of the kids ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:06:26 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: videos In a message dated 4/22/1999 7:45:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GCupit@glenorchycc.tas.gov.au writes: << > Shadows and Light is only $57.99 at CDNow and if you go through Wally's Joni page, the page gets some sort of benefit. So let's support Wally, save some money as well. Greg >> Why is this Joni Mitchell video so darn expensive? I go that about 10 years ago for about 12.99. Wow, prices really do go up alot! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:59:56 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: TapeTree #8 is open for sign-ups Hi Folks! TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Sign-ups for branches are open through Sunday, May 2, 1999 Sign-ups for branches are open through Sunday, May 9, 1999 Enjoy! simon, Wally, and Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 01:11:11 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Colorado (NJC) Winfried wrote: > The latest news we are getting here is that there are people in Colorado > lobbying for laws to legalize the carrying of concealed weapons with the > argument that then, the teachers could have carried such concealed weapons > and killed the two juvenile lunatics. Oh, yes. Actually, this law has already been proposed annually for the past two or three years by a Republican in the legislature. Each time, I think, it was vetoed by the governor. However, we elected a new governor (whom I find to be a genuinely creepy person, incidentally) last November, so we'll see. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:04:34 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel, Anne Sexton, Laurie Anderson (NJC) > Wow!! Yeah!!! I'm a big Gabriel fan, as well as Laurie Anderson. I am a big fan of Peter Gabriel (did you hear his duet with Paula Cole in the latter's album?) but must confess that I have yet to find out about Laurie Anderson. I understand she is Canadian avant-garde singer. Is her singing "accessible" or an acquired taste? Does she sing at all? Thanks Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:16:54 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: I BEG OF YOU (NJC) On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 Ginamu@aol.com wrote: > > You don't have to beg *me*, Russ. I haven't watched TV in 15 years. My kids > haven't watched ANY tv for three solid years and before that only a tiny > amount of public TV. Would like to discuss this with you further off-list. > > It is a tremendous comfort to me not to have that stupid box and its contents > in my home. I hate it. It makes feel ill, just as drugs would taken by > someone who does not need them. > I don't like the side effects. > I can relate. I grew up not having TV. I remembered how excited we were when our father bought us a big one. I devoured whatever the boob tube has to offer (I grew up watching LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE, 6-MILLION DOLLAR MAN, WELCOME BACK, KOTTER, LOVE BOAT, CHARLIE'S ANGELS, etc... very Aaron Spelling) since then. This was in the late 70s. In the 80s, I grew tired watching TV. I don't know what happened along the way, but I don't know the TV personalities anymore. I thought I couldn't survive TV before, but when I sort of filled my craving for TV to the brim, I began to avoid it. I can't say I am happy after that, but I can say that my life went on without TV... Joseph (who never tire of watching films) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:31:11 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: the History of 'Twisted' > > 4. Bette Midler is said (by people on this list) to have covered > Twisted next. I've never heard Bette's version. > > 5. Then Joni covered it on C&S. She almost certainly found it on the > LH&Ross album, along with Centerpiece. In Joni's Twisted she changes > (or got wrong?) a few of the lyrics and melodic lines relative to > either of Annie's versions. There two singers who sang "Twisted" after Joni (one that I heard anyway): one was Marlena Shaw's live version in her LIVE AT MONTREUX album and Crystal Waters from ... one of her albums... Its hard not to like "Twisted" so whoever can sing it should be listened to for the fun of hearing this song from another singer's style (though I would love to hear Manhattan Transfer's Janis Siegel sing this song --> the one who IMHO could approximate Annie Ross' style). Joseph (Patricia Barber's "Modern Cool") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 03:02:24 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: JMDL Post reactions: NJC A few quick, overly long thoughts, for what they are worth, which is nothing: Paraphrase: 'Sometimes you Americans scare the shit out of me' and following apology. The apology, rooted in our friend's acknowledgment of Holocaust in his own national heritage, needs not to be abject. We scare the shit out of each other sometimes. Does anyone doubt anymore H. Rap Brown's statement, "Violence is as American as apple pie." But we are not alone; South African whites, the Hutus and Tutsis, the Serbs, the Irish Protestants, have all scared of me and/or someone in recently times. And this is not a blanket indictment of a people as a whole or of any individual within a culture per se. It is a comment that sometimes within a society the violence gets out of control. School shootings also happen in Britain and mass murders in Australia. But we are running more than our share in this country, and talking to a high school/middle school students, I am seeing that the shit is being scared out of them right now. Common factors in all of our recent school shootings is the shooters being loners, haters, homophobics, racists, Nazi-adoring white males with easy access to guns and something to prove. We have to control the guns, which are, after all, in the 2nd Amendment, for the purpose of a well ordered militia, and not so crazy Bob can have an Uzi or so Mom and Dad and Grandparents can stockpile guns which the kids can get and take to school. Colin spoke of Christianity not teaching personal responsibility, and then wrote that profound sentence about 'love thy neighbor' being a forgotten teaching. The version of Christian religion being pushed these days seems to be a right-wing political agenda that has nothing to do with anything that I can see as a Scriptural concern, or a personal salvation thing. In fact, that's not what the Scriptures are about. The Scriptures, both Prime Covenant (Old Testament) and Christian Covenant (New Testament) are all about our responsibility to the poor, the outcast, the stranger, the widow, the disposed, the alien, the hungry, the lonely, the prisoner. The command that Jesus gave on the night he was betrayed was not, "believe in me for personal salvation," but rather, it was "Love one another as I have loved you." 3 of the 10 Commandments deal with our relations with God, the other 7 dealing with treating other people with justice. The only place where I know of where God makes a requirement upon us is in the Book of Micah: "What does the Lord require of you, but to do justice, to love mercy, and walk humbly with your God." God is third in God's own requirement. It is our responsibility to treat others with justice and mercy that precede our ability to walk humbly with God. The Church has failed to teach these things. We ourselves have been irresponsible in these things. I bet that sometimes we scare the shit out of God, who grieves for those that we kill in our various ways in our society, gay men tied to fences and left to die, African Americans tied to the back of pick-ups, school children gunned down by the peers. And such things as ethnic cleansing... which involves the killing of the nonChristian Islamic Bosnians or Kosovars by Christians... or tribal warfare, where Hutu and Tutsi bishops and church members were involved in the carrying out of those mass murders... how we sin against what the Scriptures teach, what God requires of us. Forgive our maddening, warlike wars, O Lord. Thankfully we have people like Desmond Tutu to show us a better way without the hate, most recently with the SA Truth and Justice Commission, and thankfully we have the expressions of compassion which we have read here. And I still dream that above us the jet planes will be turning into butterflies, across the nations. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #178 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! 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