From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #164 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, April 17 1999 Volume 04 : Number 164 Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: pc bulls**t(NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: pc bullshit - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The Latest PC replies, vol. 1 (NJC) [Bill Dollinger ] Re: pc bullshit ["Don Rowe" ] Re: PC (njc) ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: (NOT) pc bullshit (NJC) [Bounced Message ] AIDS memoirs (njc) [evian ] where have all the flowers gone...(njc) [evian ] Inquiring Minds and Crimson Necks (NJC) [michael paz ] Re: PC (njc) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: PC (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Clinton's Remarks on Kosovo ( NJC ) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: PCness on a lighter side ( NJC ) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Fwd: Re[2]: Joni Concerts Should Be Like This [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Fwd: Joni Concerts Should Be Like This ...NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: The Perfect Album ... [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: Joni Concerts Should Be Like This [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: PC (njc) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: pc bullshit [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: PC (njc) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ultimate concert [Randy Remote ] Re: ultimate concert [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Beyond PC (njc) ["Eric Taylor" ] RE: VLJC -alternate tunings [Marian Russell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:48:31 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: pc bulls**t(NJC) In a message dated 4/16/99 12:38:53 PM Central Daylight Time, Deborah writes: << This is my first post to the JMDL and after reading several digests with wonderful information about her musical legacy, insights into her lyrics, and, indeed, just the type of conversant knowledge one hopes to gain by subscribing to such a digest, I have become quite dismayed to see all the irrelevant issues discussed in this column! Who cares?! >> Welcome...there IS a special Joni-only digest out there - sounds like that's what you want... <> It means "She is queen undisputed of mind beauty" - there IS a glossary project in the works... <> When you start it!! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:20:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: pc bullshit - NJC Bounced Message wrote: > From: "Deborah Finora" > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:16:44 -0400 > > This is my first post to the JMDL and after reading several digests with > wonderful information about her musical legacy, insights into her lyrics, > and, indeed, just the type of conversant knowledge one hopes to gain by > subscribing to such a digest, I have become quite dismayed to see all the > irrelevant issues discussed in this column! Who cares?! These are topics > which one encounters all the time in the press, in our jobs, in our daily > life conversations, but please! not in a site which proudly bears the name > of Joni Mitchell! Is this really what you all set the site up for in the > first place--a place for arguments about whether a guy was justifiably > fired for using a "politically incorrect" word? I mean, come on!! Ah, but aren't you guilty of the very same? You are expressing your opinion about a non Joni Content to the entire list to read. > Music, > specifically Joni's music, should be, first and foremost, your topic of > concern, don't you think? I don't mean to go off half-cocked myself, but > day after day, it does get a bit tiresome; I beg you all, please limit the > bulk of comments to Joni and her incredible ability to entrance us all by > her many talents. And BTW, is there a glossary one can access to understand > some of the lingo/abbreviations used--I'm new at this, and it sometimes > gets frustrating trying to translate into pc-illiterate terms...I'm still > trying to figure out what "Siquomb, isn't she?" means...! (I am aware of > her early songs being published by Siquomb, but is it an adjective or > what?) Thanks for letting me add my two cents worth--when do you think the > next in-depth discussion of Joni's lyrics will be...? If you subscribe to the Joni only list, and mark your messages correctly (NJC, which you did not) then others won't have to waste the time you feel that you have. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:47:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: The Latest PC replies, vol. 1 (NJC) Sorry, marcel, I was not aware from your posts that you considered right wing a perjorative term. bill On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > How do you KNOW it came in from "Right field". Did your post come flying in > from LEFT field. I guess you left wing extreemists are overly judgemental and > prone to unalterable judgements that stem from ignorance since you really > have no idea. Dont confuse me with facts because I LOVE my opinion. Or is it > simply that ANY fact you disagree with must be quickly labelled with a > perjorative term as a source so that intellectually dealing with the facts > can be deemed unnecessary. Hey how do I get into that Jeraldo Rivera's Quick > and Easy Political Discourse School. ciao. marcel. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:50:45 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: Hear here! (NJC) Gina wrote: <<>> Great point. Though some on the list (revealingly) have lumped me in unilaterally with the pro-PC side (as defined by them, of course), I actually have some misgivings about it. I said in one post that words are powerful, but attitudes are more important. I do believe that sometimes our attention to words can distract us from the attitudes that actually underly offensive speech. I mention this because around my many black friends (I'm white BTW) I use the word "black" the vast majority of the time, as do they. I pretty much only use "African-American" around well-meaning whitefolk who might misinterpret my use of the word "black," due in part to the emphasis of language over attitude by some thinkers and activists in the civil rights struggle (broadly defined). More clearly stated, it is my experience that my black friends with whom I tend to share similar political views see the phrase "African-American" as being something of a placebo developed by some members of the black American community who often value assimilationist models more than do my friends. This is very much tied into class, as Gina mentioned. My friends like "black" because that's what they feel they are, and they feel no reason to cushion that in any way. My ex-boyfriend (gee that's weird--OK, just a little spell there, I'm coming back now ;-) ) and I have talked at length about the difference between identifying as "gay" and "queer," for reasons much too involved to go into here. He and I both identify as "queer" first, though we often use the word "gay" around both straight and gay people who can't get past the abusive history of the word "queer." This, too, is not unrelated to class. (He's now getting involved with someone who *HATES* the word "queer" and identifies as "gay." Can it work? You find out on the next _Jenny Jones_. :-) ) My point (and I do have one) is still that you should call people what they want to be called. Plain and simple; no pretzels necessary. If you don't know what they want to be called, go safe until they give you signals otherwise. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:36:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - April 17 1983: Joni performs at the RDS Music Hall in Dublin, Ireland - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:05:43 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: pc bullshit Hello Deborah! Lest tempers begin to run a bit high, may I humbly submit that a great deal of what goes on around the jmdl is, in fact, the sincerest form of flattery. Afterall, Joni herself would say: Oh, I talk too loose Again I talk too open and free I pay a high price for my open talking Like you do for your silent mystery Come and talk to me Please talk to me Talk to me, talk to me Mr. Mystery We could talk about Martha We could talk about landscapes I'm not above gossip But I'll sit on a secret where honor is at stake! Or we could talk about power About Jesus and Hitler and Howard Hughes Or Charlie Chaplin's movies Or Bergman's nordic blues Please just talk to me Any old theme you choose Just come and talk to me Mr. Mystery, talk to me With a warm and sincere welcome to the fray, I remain ... Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:10:58 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: PC (njc) Catman responded to CatGirl: <> This makes absolutely NO sense and gives me a huge headache! That gays call other gays "fag" and blacks call other blacks "nigga" is a sickening double standard for which there is no excuse! Sexually & racially correct, E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:12:12 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: (NOT) pc bullshit (NJC) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:31:58 -0400 From: dsk > From: "Deborah Finora" > ...I have become quite dismayed to see all the > irrelevant issues discussed in this column! You need to su.bscribe to the onlyJoni-list that is now available to you. I've copied the new info from the Joni Discussion List website for you: The onlyJONI list: This method sends you each and every post individually - EXCEPT those without Joni Mitchell content - as soon as they are posted to the list. This method is for those who want their Joni info - and only Joni info - right away! If this is for you, send this line (without the quotes) "subscribe onlyjoni" to majordomo@smoe.org You probably have to uns.ubscribe from this complete list first. Please do this, Deborah. Right now. > Who cares?! These are topics which one encounters all the time in the press, in our jobs, in our daily > life conversations, but please! not in a site which proudly bears the name > of Joni Mitchell! Is this really what you all set the site up for in the > first place--a place for arguments about whether a guy was justifiably > fired for using a "politically incorrect" word? These conversations usually grow out of a discussion of Joni's music, as this one did from a rather long discussion of The Jungle Line. It may not seem to have a connection now, but PC was mentioned early on in TJL discussion. There's no other place that I know of where complex topics such as this are discussed by such open, articulate, knowledgeable and good-hearted people, so it's all very interesting to me (and now that there is a joni-only option) to everyone else who's on this full list. And when it's not, I guess we are prepared to delete without reading. So please do us all a favor and move to the list you are more interested in. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:34:39 -0600 From: evian Subject: AIDS memoirs (njc) Hi gang, Sorry for the use of the list again for items non-Joni related, but you all are such a good bunch of smart people, I thought I would throw this out there. The school term is ending, and now I have got to spend the summer frantically devising my thesis proposal. After kicking around the idea of working on May Sarton's journals, I have instead decided to do my thesis on diseases and life writing. I haven't really gotten very far in exactly what it is I want to do, but I am hoping to do work on AIDS/HIV narratives -- i.e. how does one write a life narrative about AIDS, etc., or maybe make some connections between certain works of literature and AIDS memoirs.... as I have said, I am still trying to flesh out the whole thing. My supervisor suggested that I might contrast one AIDS text with another "disease narrative", such as TB or cancer. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone has any suggestions of some life writing texts that they particularly enjoy. So far, I am plowing through the usuals -- Defoe's JOURNAL OF A PLAGUE YEAR, Audre Lorde's THE CANCER JOURNALS, D.H. Lawrence bios, Paul Monette's works, Barbra Cox's THANKSGIVING, Shilts' AND THE BAND PLAYED ON, Nancy Mairs' work, etc. Anyway, if anyone knows of any good AIDS/Cancer/TB memoirs that might help me on my way, could you let me know off-list? Again, sorry for using the list for this type of stuff, but I thought I would take a chance and see if anyone has any good ideas. More and more, as I keep reading, I think I will have to basically only focus on AIDS narratives, but my supervisor has this bee in her bonnet that I should be more broad and tackle two different diseases, but I really don't see how I can fit that into only 100 pages. Anyway, thanks, and sorry for taking up list space! :) Evian np: Whitney Houston DISCLAIMER: My wife bought it, I had nothing to do with it, but gotta tell you... it ain't that bad! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:36:12 -0600 From: evian Subject: where have all the flowers gone...(njc) One more thing.. Marsha and Mariana and Jason Maloney... where are y'all?? Did ya leave us? Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:07:37 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Inquiring Minds and Crimson Necks (NJC) Marcel's Inquiring Mind wants to know: "<>" I'd love to see Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds in a small venue like Southport Hall here in New Orleans (where we are doing sound for the Marshall Tucker Band tonight that WILL have about 1500 crimson neck type politically challanged persons there) or House of Blues type joint. Hold it to 300 persons at say $250 a head. Yes I'd pay. \Other artists I'd love to see this way BESIDES Joni are; Pat Metheny, Sting, King Crimson, Tori Amos, Sarah MacLachlan, Eric Johnson, Yes. Grest thread, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:51:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The Latest PC replies, vol. 1 (NJC) Until I read this, I had no idea that 'watermelon' had racist connotations when used with the word 'smile'. Mind I have never heard of a 'watermelon smile' either. Brings to mind a person smiling with bits of watermelon round their mouth as happens when one eats one. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:55:04 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: where have all the flowers gone...(njc) jason lost his pc access evian wrote: > One more thing.. Marsha and Mariana and Jason Maloney... where are > y'all?? Did ya leave us? > Evian - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:57:51 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: PC (njc) Eric Taylor wrote: > Catman responded to CatGirl: > > < different! It has not the same message. The same as when a gay person refers > to another as a fag or queer or poof or whatever. A str8 person doing it is > offensive the same as a white person using the word nigger. It is really > simple to understand.>> > > This makes absolutely NO sense and gives me a huge headache! That gays > call other gays "fag" and blacks call other blacks "nigga" is a sickening > double standard for which there is no excuse! eric-you surprised me with this bit of judgement. I think it has been explained countless times here on the list why such words are used amongst certain groups of people. There usage is completely different from that of those who use it to oppress.bw colin > Sexually & racially correct, > E.T. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:12:54 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: PC (njc) << slander ("Beleidigung" -- § 185 German Penal Code), as our courts define it as: "any utterance or action which denies the fundamental humanity, ethical or social value of the adressee". >> Thanks for your response, Winfried. It occurs to me that I should be more sensitive to your perspective. Clearly, laws pertaining to speech differ wildly between Germany and America. When you talk about "politically correctness" in the context of Germany's slander law, I see it in a considerably different light. It would be beautiful if a law could guarantee the fundamental humanity and social value of citizens, but these ideals are as arbitrary as they are utopian. I can see how such a slander law could be the stuff that nightmares are made of for lawyers and certain free speech advocates. Still, perhaps because you study law, your view of epithets and their effects seems exceedingly clinical. I'm somewhat stunned to see the most virulent slurs every concocted appear on this list like they were everyday household words, even just descriptively. I respect that a certain amount of detachment is desirable in a lawyer, in the interest of objectivity, but these words and the hatefulness they convey inflict excruciating pain on innocent people. Use them if you must, but please be aware of the hurt. To say it is a touchy subject may be the understatement of the millennium. Sensitivity, please. That's it for me. I'm "nppc" from now on. No politically correct content. I love this list and have more respect for all the good people on it everyday. I'm going to be more about Joni and less about politics from now on. I love her music so. - -Julius np- Miles of Aisles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:55:41 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: PC (NJC) In a message dated 4/16/99 9:59:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paul@tyrer23.freeserve.co.uk writes: > But it's become an object of scorn > (like feminism) because of scare-stories and spurious attacks by the right. Oh, I'm sorry but the feminist movement has alienated many, many people ALL BY THEMSELVES and without much help from the right. Political correctness and feminism are inventions of upper crust, overeducated whites.One thing that group hasn't managed to do is win over the support of working class and poor people, who are the majority and who bear the burdens daily of this economically unjust society. Think about Betty Friedan and the origins of American feminism!! Don't talk to a poor woman on welfare about feminism, she's too busy fighting to keep food on the table, while the former president of NOW is hard at work coining phrases like political correctness. There is no injustice like economic injustice. It is the most insidious and hateful crime of all. So...when the feminist movement has something to say which speaks to women of all classes, I will listen, otherwise I trust that movement about as much as I trust politicians. Take care one and all, Gina "All we're ever looking for is another open door". Kate Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:54:26 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Clinton's Remarks on Kosovo ( NJC ) In a message dated 4/16/1999 6:15:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << Feline, more on how to be PC: Winfried is a guy. WallyK > Winfried > >> >Well you are a BOLD girl >> Very sorry about that! Sorry Winfried! But I support you anyway! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:16:43 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: PCness on a lighter side ( NJC ) In a message dated 4/16/1999 9:48:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whuehn@stud.uni-goettingen.de writes: << Rowdy person with a sensitivity impairment Hey, this is fun!!! Winfried >>Hey, YOU are fun. And I hope I am being PC in that statement! Catgirl NP: Albatross-Judy Collins ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:21:22 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Re[2]: Joni Concerts Should Be Like This - --part1_f1bcc4b6.24493c12_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/16/1999 9:13:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CaTGirl627 writes: << << . I think she was referring to "coffeehouses" and such, here in Greenville we have The Peace Center, a concert hall that seats about 2500 with great acoustics. That would be a great venue for her, and I'm sure most major areas would have like facilities. Matter of fact, Cassandra will be at the Peace Center next Saturday... Bob >> We have a place called the tower theatre. It holds around 3000 and has a balcony. Very cool venue. I saw (beleive it or not) Emerson, Lake and Palmer. (Small venue for them) Yes, (another small venue for them) Pat Metheny. Excellent show!...Chrissy Hynde..another excellent show. The acoustics like you said are great! Catgirl NP:My Father-Judy Collins >> - --part1_f1bcc4b6.24493c12_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: CaTGirl627@aol.com From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Full-name: CaTGirl627 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:13:53 EDT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Joni Concerts Should Be Like This To: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: CaTGirl627@aol.com In a message dated 4/16/1999 9:36:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << . I think she was referring to "coffeehouses" and such, here in Greenville we have The Peace Center, a concert hall that seats about 2500 with great acoustics. That would be a great venue for her, and I'm sure most major areas would have like facilities. Matter of fact, Cassandra will be at the Peace Center next Saturday... Bob >> We have a place called the tower theatre. It holds around 3000 and has a balcony. Very cool venue. I saw (beleive it or not) Emerson, Lake and Palmer. (Small venue for them) Yes, (another small venue for them) Pat Metheny. Excellent show!...Chrissy Hynde..another excellent show. The acoustics like you said are great! Catgirl NP:My Father-Judy Collins - --part1_f1bcc4b6.24493c12_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:20:59 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Joni Concerts Should Be Like This ...NJC - --part1_76ef73f8.24493bfb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_76ef73f8.24493bfb_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: CaTGirl627@aol.com From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Full-name: CaTGirl627 Message-ID: <76ef73f8.24493be2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:20:34 EDT Subject: Re: Joni Concerts Should Be Like This ...NJC To: dgrowe@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: CaTGirl627@aol.com In a message dated 4/16/1999 9:51:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe@hotmail.com writes: << Neil played at the Fox Theater, a wildly ornate and fully restored masterpiece of a Depression-era movie palace -- which you may have seen if you're a fan of "America's Castles" on A&E network ... it was featured recently. About a 5,000 capacity venue -- where I would give any number of unborn children to hear Joni play ... Don Rowe >> I hear it is where Lynyrd Skynyrd recorded their famous "What song is that y'all wanna hear? Anyone know? Catgirl..inquiring minds wanna know!!! NP:Still Albatross-JC - --part1_76ef73f8.24493bfb_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:26:22 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: The Perfect Album ... In a message dated 4/16/1999 10:21:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe@hotmail.com writes: << Yes all, it is "Hejira." The entire experience is, quite simply, without a single blemish, flaw or imperfection. As fresh today as the day it was released, the warmth and simplicity of the arrangements, the unbelievable dexterity and skill, both musically and vocally, the devastating poetry of the lyrics, lined up in a sequence that couldn't be improved upon. There, I've said it, and I feel much better! Don Rowe >> You go boy!!! Catgirl::::::jumping up and down and yelling I'am with ya Bro::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:36:06 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Joni Concerts Should Be Like This In a message dated 4/16/1999 10:37:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1 writes: << Some years ago I was invited to sit down and discuss with the Bill Graham organization some alternative type concert situations. I suggested that my dream concert would be Van Morrison and Ry Cooder or an acoustic Pete Townshend at the Great American Music Hall for a 4 hour show (2 each) where each party would get a table to themselves and a nice bottle of good champaign and a nice light food serving say some smoked salmon, a nice salad with real wine vinegar, apples, and assorted cheezes and that I would be willing to pay substantially more for a night like that say $150. Small place, elbow room, etc. let me ask this question to the list: If you could have a dream concert who (besides Joni) would you have play and where would you have it and what would you be willing to pay in todays dollars ??. marcel deste. >> Question no. 1, can the person I want have to be alive? question 2 can the band I want be broken up years befor. IF YES, it would have to be the Beatles with John Lennon..sitting down at a dinner theatre and serving up a great veggie feast! Cost: who cares..ok...350.00 If the person has to be alive or what have you I would chose (this is tough I would only really want to see her) OK,OK, it would be....Pat Metheny...I love his music! Small venue, veggie feast again and the cost 150.00. Much cheaper since I am going with just one person. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:41:53 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: PC (njc) In a message dated 4/16/1999 12:15:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: << Words can be powerful things, and it is important to be aware of that. At the same time, *attitudes* are more important than words. I try to be concentrate on improving the attitudes I feel and the ones I project, and let the words follow from that care. --Michael NP: Luscious Jackson, _Fever In Fever Out_ >> Thanks for the explanation! Catgirl NP:Suzanne-Judy Collins ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:52:32 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: pc bullshit In a message dated 4/16/1999 1:38:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: "Deborah Finora" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:16:44 -0400 This is my first post to the JMDL and after reading several digests with wonderful information about her musical legacy, insights into her lyrics, and, indeed, just the type of conversant knowledge one hopes to gain by subscribing to such a digest, I have become quite dismayed to see all the >> Deborah, You might want to switch your subscription to Joni Only and you won't have to be bothered by the posts that you are seeing. It will only show you JONI info. The list is now set up that you can chose (YEA) what you see on the list. Nothing but Joni or what ever gets tossed out for discussion. If you go and check out the website it told you to click on certain places to view info on the list including the abbreviations...Good Luck! Catgirl..another newbie....NP:Who Knows where the time goes (good question)-JC I think I better change my CD 2nd time atround already! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:57:28 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: PC (njc) In a message dated 4/16/1999 3:11:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << Catman responded to CatGirl: <> This makes absolutely NO sense and gives me a huge headache! That gays call other gays "fag" and blacks call other blacks "nigga" is a sickening double standard for which there is no excuse! Sexually & racially correct, E.T. >>That is what I kinda thought. Catgirl..still playing JC- Sunny goodge Street ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:47:07 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: ultimate concert First, Robin Williams comes on and kills for 22 minutes. Then, Asleep at the Wheel come out and do about an hour of hot Texas Swing while everybody dances. Now that everyone has blown off some steam, Joni comes out for a nice long set (with two encores, maybe three), at times playing an actual wooden acoustic guitar! RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:51:24 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: ultimate concert In a message dated 4/17/1999 12:50:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << First, Robin Williams comes on and kills for 22 minutes. Then, Asleep at the Wheel come out and do about an hour of hot Texas Swing while everybody dances. Now that everyone has blown off some steam, Joni comes out for a nice long set (with two encores, maybe three), at times playing an actual wooden acoustic guitar! RR >> Maybe even a nice old Richenbauker guitar! Catgirl...always wanted one because of her! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:46:27 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Beyond PC (njc) If we could shrink Earth's population to 100 people it would look like this: 57 Asians 21 Europeans 14 from the Western Hemisphere (North & South) 8 Africans 52 would be female 48 would be male 30 would be Caucasian 70 would not be Caucasian 30 would be Christian 70 would not be Christian 89 would be heterosexual 11 would be homosexual 70 would be unable to read 50 would be malnurished 1 would be near death 1 would be near birth 1 would have a college education 1 would own a computer What this proves to me is a serious need for better education! When we get done blowing each other to bits over stupid ethnic differences, who thinks spending 1% of our common wealth to provide everyone with a computer is a bad idea? (Actually this was Buckminster Fuller's idea & the man is still so far ahead of his time....) E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 04:33:01 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: RE: VLJC -alternate tunings On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:58:36 -0300, Wally Kairuz wrote: > P.S.: The World Compendium of Joni's Alternate Tunings is Marian's > page. I'm sure you can find the address at Wally's. Thanks for the compliment, Wally! The link for my tunings page does not appear on Wally B's site, though. You can find it at: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/jm_tunings.htm The best page for Joni's tabs is Sue McNamara's Joni Mitchell Guitar Files which is part of Les Irvin's JMDL & Cafe. You can find it at: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/ > Now, THAT would be one hell of a teacher, but she lives kind of far > from Ohio. You're so sweet! Marian Vienna, Austria ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #164 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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