From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #160 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, April 15 1999 Volume 04 : Number 160 Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Therapy? [catman ] Re: Therapy? NJC [catman ] RE: Therapy? (NJC) [Jenaya Dawe ] BLUE on gold CD ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: Concert Extortion [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Therapy? (NJC) [catman ] Re: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame [Janet Hess ] Re: Concert Extortion (NJC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni songs...NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: NJC - Random Thoughts on PC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] for the roses ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: BLUE on gold CD [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Scalping(NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame(NJC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] RE: BLUE on gold CD ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Blue Motel Room [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: for the roses [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: for the roses [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: BLUE on gold CD [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni songs...NJC [TerryM2442@aol.com] pc stuff (njc; long) [patrick leader ] Re: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame [Brian Gross ] Joni Plug of the Month ["Kakki" ] Cheap concerts and scalpers (SJC) ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:27:32 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Therapy? I had a therapist for five years. He helped me change me andf therefore my life. He did not charge much, was available 24hrs a day. For the little money I paid him, he loved me and listened and loved me some more. Thru his loving patience and acceptance of me, i was able to ditch a whole load of heavy and painful shit and become myself. If I had had to pay ten times the amount I would have, even tho I couldn't afford to of course. But then he was not doing it for the money. I have met several t's and they were all incompetant idots till this one restored my faith in such a practice. As for Joni, well she needs a good one and perhaps I could persuade Roger to take her on....... TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/14/99 9:19:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > > << I'll also bet that we're our own best therapists (excepting extreme > cases)...after all, where's the incentive for a professional therapist to > "cure" > us - their income stops when we're fixed! Better to keep ripping the scabs > off > our emotional wounds than to allow them to heal... >> > > We all ARE our own therapists, even if we are IN professional therapy. > Professionals don't cure anyone, we do, with their guidance. And a good > therapist is thrilled to see a patient heal himself and get on with his life. > However, buying a new hat or listening to Joni isn't going to make someone > with a severe or even moderate psychopathology get better. > > Terry - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:27:28 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Therapy? NJC Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > Stephen responds: > > **As a therapist I can tell you that I am very invested in helping my > patients to get better. The incentives are many: one doesn't become > a therapist to make huge sums of money (my patients who work in the > business world make much more money than I); a therapist forms a > relationship with the patient and no one likes to see someone they > care about suffer; a "satisfied" patient will make referrals. It > sounds as if you might have had a bad experience in therapy, and if > that is true, you shouldn't judge all therapy and therapists based on > one experience. Many people, myself included, feel that therapy has > changed their life for the better.** > > Stephen, I didn't mean to be flippant or insulting about therapists, my > apologies are earnestly extended. And ironically, the one experience I had > was for the most part very positive and the therapist was actually the one > who terminated the sessions. > > Then Terry said: > > < Professionals don't cure anyone, we do, with their guidance. And a good > therapist is thrilled to see a patient heal himself and get on with his life. > However, buying a new hat or listening to Joni isn't going to make someone > with a severe or even moderate psychopathology get better.>> > > Terry, all this is true, and I did say that hat/Joni therapy was not for some > cases, but by the same token, there's only a small portion of the human brain > that we know about...the science has recently begun to look at not just what > makes sick people sick but also WHAT MAKES WELL PEOPLE WELL! Personally, after years of falling for the 'it's chemical' theory and never getting 'well', I found my therapist did what 20 years of pills and potions and psychiatry couldn't do. For years I felt I was defective, with something wrong with me genetically, chemically, and brainally(alright I know there is no such word). really the soultion was so obvious. And I feel that psychiatrists have a set belief system, that meantl illness is caused by brain malfunction and that a persona thoughts and feelings are of no consequence. why listen and love when one can prescribe a pill and appear important and keep the drug companies sweet?The solution was to have somebody who understood the damage physical, emotional and sexual abuse has on the soul and the thoughts and feelings actually take the time to listen and 'parent'. Taking the time to unravel all the wacky thinking, to say over and over and over and over that it wasn't my fault, to say over and over that I was valuable and worthy. And keep saying it week in and week out for 5 years till the real me stepped out into the sunlight and left that black hole forever. Oh how i longed for a pill or potion that would make me well. Much easier than having to relive a horror story in order to come out the otherside where I wanted to be. But in reality the psychiatry way and the drug way just kept me locked in that black hole. Thru therapy i was reborn and brought into light. i like it here. > There are some > strong connections between physical health, emotional health, mental health, > spiritual health that the science of medicine is just now clueing in to. All > I know is what I've read in general interest mags, so I'm in way over my head > here - Stephen, what's your take as a professional? > > PS: I hate that Ashara is missing this cuz this kind of discussion is near & > dear to her very big heart... > > Bob > > NP: Peter Frampton (Live): "All I Wanna Be is By Your Side" > > > > > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:52:27 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: RE: Therapy? (NJC) Terry wrote: >"Personally, after years of falling for the 'it's chemical' theory and never >getting 'well', I found my therapist did what 20 years of pills and potions and >psychiatry couldn't do. For years I felt I was defective, with something wrong >with me genetically, chemically, and brainally(alright I know there is no such >word). really the soultion was so obvious. And I feel that psychiatrists have a >set belief system, that meantl illness is caused by brain malfunction and that a >persona thoughts and feelings are of no consequence. why listen and love when one >can prescribe a pill and appear important and keep the drug companies sweet?The >solution was to have somebody who understood the damage physical, emotional and >sexual abuse has on the soul and the thoughts and feelings actually take the time >to listen and 'parent'. Taking the time to unravel all the wacky thinking, to say >over and over and over and over that it wasn't my fault, to say over and over >that I was valuable and worthy. And keep saying it week in and week out for 5 >years till the real me stepped out into the sunlight and left that black hole >forever. >Oh how i longed for a pill or potion that would make me well. Much easier than >having to relive a horror story in order to come out the otherside where I wanted >to be. But in reality the psychiatry way and the drug way just kept me locked in >that black hole. >Thru therapy i was reborn and brought into light. i like it here." Yeah, I guess therapy works for some people, it never did for me. Because I had a tendency to be emotionally unbalanced and sad, I was constantly thrown into therapy. When I stopped, the people in my life thought that it would ruin me. Indeed it didn't. Interestingly enough, I am experiencing the exact opposite. After years and years of therapy, because I, and my family thought it was the solution, I realized that it simply wasn't. After years of refusing medication, I started on an anti-depressant 4 months ago, and it has completely changed my life! I feel more confident, I have more energy, I feel much more competent to deal with my daily life. Seperate from the medication though, not being in therapy has given me an opportunity to move forward, instead of constantly thinking and analyzing the past. Who we are is not simply what we've been through, as I always felt was the message in therapy, but also where we are going. Yes, people do experience psychological trauma, and there is a valid need for counselors, psychologists, and psychiatrists. However, it seems that everyone these days has "issues", everyone's in need of therapy, analysis, coumseling, and I think that's absurd. It's self-victimization, and a lot of people are buying into it. I think therapy's a lot like religion, some people are really into it because it works well for them, some people are into it because they think they should be, and even people who aren't feel like maybe they should be, because "hey, my life's as dysfunctional as his". Call me an atheist in the temple of psychotherapy. Does any of this make sense? I'm not feeling very eloquent. Jenaya -who's very ready to go home... 8 minutes left! PlayNetwork Inc. http://www.playnetwork.com jenaya@playnetwork.com "Not all who wander are lost" NP: Van... Contemplation Rose ("Aaaahhhh....." now that's therapy) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:56:54 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: BLUE on gold CD I agree with Kakki. The HDCD was the winner last year but the gold one has a naturalness to the way sounds decay to black. Even when she overloads her microphone it is not as awful as in previous versions. Recommended for audiophiles! - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:05:31 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame Hi Folks. Happy Spring to one and all. This from today's LA Times: "Making Up for Lost Time: A bumper crop of 186 musical recordings--including Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire," Chuck Berry's "Johnny B. Goode," the Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" and Joni Mitchell's "Blue" album--were inducted Monday into the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences' Hall of Fame. The mix of singles and albums--representing the most honorees ever in a single year--were added to the 263 titles previously inducted since the hall was established in 1973. Trustees of the academy, which sponsors the Grammys, decided two years ago to accelerate Hall of Fame inductions because of "huge, gaping holes" that remained in its pantheon of landmark recordings, academy President Michael Greene said during the Los Angeles induction ceremonies, adding: "For the first time, I feel like the Grammy Hall of Fame actually makes some sense in chronicling the great seminal recordings. . . . Now we're at a point where it's a great representation of great American music." Including this year's additions, the Beatles, Duke Ellington and Frank Sinatra are the most honored artists in the hall, with six entries each. Van Morrison and John Lennon each had three works inducted this year. " - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:23:17 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Concert Extortion In a message dated 4/14/99 5:48:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << Well Catgirl, I wasn't in the nosebleed section, but I would sum it up like this: (2) Tickets to see Joni & Bob Dylan in Atlanta...$140.00 (1) Blue Motel Room...$75.00 (2) Drinks & Dinner at Einstein's...$30.00 Meeting Joni at the Ritz Carlton, getting an autograph & photo...priceless!! Bob >> And remember, they don't take the L.A. Express! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:25:59 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Therapy? (NJC) > > > Yeah, I guess therapy works for some people, it never did for me. Because I > had a tendency to be emotionally unbalanced and sad, I was constantly thrown > into therapy. When I stopped, the people in my life thought that it would > ruin me. Indeed it didn't. > Interestingly enough, I am experiencing the exact opposite. After years and > years of therapy, because I, and my family thought it was the solution, I > realized that it simply wasn't. After years of refusing medication, I > started on an anti-depressant 4 months ago, and it has completely changed my > life! I feel more confident, I have more energy, I feel much more competent > to deal with my daily life. > > Seperate from the medication though, not being in therapy has given me an > opportunity to move forward, instead of constantly thinking and analyzing > the past. Who we are is not simply what we've been through, as I always > felt was the message in therapy, but also where we are going. Yes I had a friend who was stuck with an unhealthy T who kept her in the past and charged her a fortune for doing so. Always telling her what was wrong with her. My own T never once told me there was anything wrong with me. I think much therapy doesn't 'work' cos the the T is crap or the person seeking it doesn't want it to Many people fear change too mcuh and would rather stay where they are-at least the pain is familiar and therfore safe.I haven't yet met one person who was in therapy or who wanted to be who was not in real pain caused by real trauma's. It has become fashionable to go back into denial not only for those who don't want to deal with the reality but also for those who cannot deal with the fact that some people are treated appallingly and suffer as a result. After all child abuse is a dreadful thing and people, both survivors and others, would rather bury it. Glad to hear the pills worke for you. Isn't it wonderful to finally find what works for you? BTW it was I who wrote what you quoted. bw colin > > > Yes, people do experience psychological trauma, and there is a valid need > for counselors, psychologists, and psychiatrists. However, it seems that > everyone these days has "issues", everyone's in need of therapy, analysis, > coumseling, and I think that's absurd. It's self-victimization, and a lot > of people are buying into it. > > I think therapy's a lot like religion, some people are really into it > because it works well for them, some people are into it because they think > they should be, and even people who aren't feel like maybe they should be, > because "hey, my life's as dysfunctional as his". Call me an atheist in > the temple of psychotherapy. > > Does any of this make sense? I'm not feeling very eloquent. > > Jenaya -who's very ready to go home... 8 minutes left! > PlayNetwork Inc. > > http://www.playnetwork.com > jenaya@playnetwork.com > "Not all who wander are lost" > > NP: Van... Contemplation Rose ("Aaaahhhh....." now that's therapy) - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:04:43 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame Thus answering the age-old question: What do Joni Mitchell's "Blue" and the Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" have in common? At 08:05 PM 4/14/1999 EDT, Julius wrote: >Hi Folks. Happy Spring to one and all. This from today's LA Times: > >"Making Up for Lost Time: A bumper crop of 186 musical recordings--including >Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire," Chuck Berry's "Johnny B. Goode," the Kingsmen's >"Louie Louie" and Joni Mitchell's "Blue" album--were inducted Monday into the >National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences' Hall of Fame. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:27:30 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Concert Extortion (NJC) In a message dated 4/14/1999 3:35:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << I have the poster by Amsel from Bette Midler's first tour. Tickets were 4.00, 4.50, and 5.00. I have my ticket stub from seeing Barbra Striesand in Funny Girl: 6.50. Guess what it would cost to see them today?!! Jerry np: Andrea Bocelli- Romanza MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > The coming woodstock event has a price tag of $250. Jeez I remember seeing > Pink Floyd, and Big Brother for $7.50. >> I saw Yes, Frampton, Garry Write and the Pousette Dart Band for a whopping 10.50 at JFK in Philly. Back then we thought that was a ton of money. Seeing a show over 10.00 was insane back then. Catgirl...those were the days my friends, we thought they never end..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:29:57 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell In a message dated 4/14/1999 3:54:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dskARTS@concentric.net writes: << > And buy the album. Listening to JTOJM is a very unique > experience that is only enhanced with repeated plays. I recommend it. I do too. It's a dance around the room, sway to the music type of sound, with lots of surprises. The music is great and I can hear it, now that I'm not concentrating on Joni's lyrics. It's very enjoyable. DS P.S. and I feel... I feel... happy, listening to it. :-) >> OK OK I am sold...how do I get this tempting peice of music? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:50:55 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni songs...NJC In a message dated 4/14/1999 6:06:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu writes: << Oh, you girls and your guitars!!!! I'm so jealous!!! Teee heee. I've enjoyed your posts and I live vicariously through you on air guitar (shussssssh, don't tell anyone!!) Smiles to you Gina NP: The Boxer, Paul and Art's greatest hits >> You are funny sweetie! Catgirl...NP Just like me... bootleg of Joni....(thanks Bob) I made this one tape I am hearing a long time ago off the radio and misplaced it. I am in Joni heaven! WHOOOO-HOOOOOO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:46:35 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Random Thoughts on PC In a message dated 4/14/1999 5:31:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe@hotmail.com writes: << Here! Here! I wonder, if this is the substitute for "spouse", or even simpler terms like "wife", "husband" or "best friend" -- how then do we talk about other people in our lives? Acquaintance = occasional other Ex-girl/boyfriend = previous other In-laws = skeptical others Boss = requiring other Strangers = other's other Friend = not-quite-as-significant other Hairdresser = informative other Joni = exceptional other Don Rowe ;-) >> How about *Life partner* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:51:43 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: for the roses Patrick! What a wonderful post! I'm still getting chills trying to imagine what it must have been like to hear FTR for the first time ... and live! FTR remains one of this century's master achievements. "I'm feeling so good, I spring from the boulders like a mama lion." I can still remember when I actually felt that way after a long bout of depression when I was 16, about the time I first heard FTR. I knew only Blue and the earlier stuff; I never believed there could still be an FTR [or a Hejira or a DJRD for that matter] to discover. I got FTR and Hissing on the same day [I guess I've already told this story]. A woman from the church group I was then a member of brought me FTR from Miami. It cost me $6.00!!! Of course, I couldn't wait so I ripped the plastic wrapping off and opened the the thing wide for everybody to see. And there it was: Joni's butt in front of the whole middle-class, mid-70's, military-repressed Buenos Aires church congregation. I remember I thought, "Joni, you exact such sacrifices from your worshippers!" I went to evening school in those days, so I had to take the thing with me to class. Naturally, I had to show the LP to all my classmates. That night everybody had a chance to comment on the virtues and shortcomings of Joni's rear. When I got home that night, I found a package containing Hissing, a gift from a penpal from Missouri. Then I thought, "St. Joni rewards her devotees with this kind of surprises too." WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:52:44 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Catgirl wrote: > Helen - not offended in the least, just wanting to make my p >> >Whimping out? Why I never!!! LOL! For me, some albums, there was just no >song that I favor least. I love them all. But to chose a favorite was >easier then least fav. >Catgirl Aha! You've just contradicted yourself there, by saying you were able to pick a most favourite! So by definition, you like at least one song more than another, therefore, you should be able to pick a least favourite, or 10 out of 11 least favourites! Helen - I'll make my point if it takes me another 20 posts! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:03:21 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: BLUE on gold CD In a message dated 4/14/1999 7:58:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << I agree with Kakki. The HDCD was the winner last year but the gold one has a naturalness to the way sounds decay to black. Even when she overloads her microphone it is not as awful as in previous versions. Recommended for audiophiles! >> All this talk about Blue on gold has forced me to send for it. So I will be spending time listening to Blue yet again! I ordered it Tues. Hopefully it will be in by Friday. Yet another great album! Catgirl...NP: Bootleg Joni 2nd fret-Born to take the highway ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:08:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Scalping(NJC) Don has just expostulated: >$85.00 >FOR 30TH ROW RESERVED SEATS!! I'm sorry, but this is the worst kind >of extortion I've seen in quite some time I was about to ask the list what experience they have in their respective countries in fighting scalpers. I mean, is there anything that works? I have just been asked $220 for a seat at the opera next Sunday. The regular price is $110. I'm ready to start a war against this particular "agency" that even advertises in mainstream media. I know Billy Joel and others once implemented an initiative to wage war against scalpers. What's your experience? Do you end up buying the tickets anyway? I could afford these tickets, but it's the principle of it, don't you think? WallyK, ethically challenged ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:10:36 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame(NJC) In a message dated 4/14/1999 8:09:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JRMCo1@aol.com writes: << . Now we're at a point where it's a great representation of great American music." Including this year's additions, the Beatles, Duke Ellington and Frank Sinatra are the most honored artists in the hall, with six entries each. Van Morrison and John Lennon each had three works inducted this year. " -Julius BTW, If any body saw Paul McCartney get inducted and noticed his daughters T-shirt was blocked it was because she had printed on *It's about F**KING Time*. The Beatles got inducted yes but Paul was up for it a few years ago. Linda, more then he, wanted him to get inducted but unfortunately she never saw her husband make it into the Hall of Fame. Catgirl freaking out again...the song now on is one I have not heard in over 10 years....Joni Bootleg------London Bridge is faling down-----YES,YES,YES!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:30:38 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: BLUE on gold CD I received my Gold Blue yesterday and I was soooo disappointed. It doesn't sound a bit better than my old CD copy. So I conducted a little experiment. I played my gold Tapestry and my gold Song for you against the old versions. I programmed the gold versions and the regular versions track by track, so that I could compare the CD's bit by bit [I know, I should get a life]. In both cases, the regular versions sounded at least as good as the gold versions. I was bewildered until I discovered that my regular versions are German and not American. So maybe European pressing or mastering or whatever it is they do to CD's is so good in Europe that gold versions constitute no improvement. Don't you find the sound on American CD's not so highly defined as in European or Japanese releases? I wonder what Jussi and the other Eurojmdlers think about this. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:45:15 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell Kakki ordered it through something called CDNow, which is apparently accessible through your computer. In NYC, Tower, Virgin & HMV all have it, so I would think they'd have it elsewhere in the country too. I hope you find it soon! DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:01:59 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room In a message dated 4/14/1999 9:54:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Aha! You've just contradicted yourself there, by saying you were able to pick a most favourite! So by definition, you like at least one song more than another, therefore, you should be able to pick a least favourite, or 10 out of 11 least favourites! Helen - I'll make my point if it takes me another 20 posts! >> Alright you almost got me. I might just happen to only have one favorite and the rest are tied so there!!! You certainly got me laughing though!!! Catgirl NP:Circle Game-Buffy St. Marie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:12:13 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: for the roses In a message dated 4/14/1999 9:55:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << "I'm feeling so good, I spring from the boulders like a mama lion." I can still remember when I actually felt that way after a long bout of depression when I was 16, about the time I first heard >> I love that line. "I'm feeling so good and my friends all tell me that I'm looking fine. I run in the woods and spring from the boulders like a mama lion. " What a proclamation! It always makes me want to run off into the woods looking for boulders to spring from! I'm glad Joni was able to help you through hard times. I know she helped me too. I love the one line from Hejira.... *I wish that he was here tonight. It's so hard to obey His sad request of me to kindly stay away* Been there done that...... Love takes so much courage, love takes so much shit! Well said Sweet joni from Saskatoon. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:14:16 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: for the roses In a message dated 4/14/1999 9:55:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << couldn't wait so I ripped the plastic wrapping off and opened the the thing wide for everybody to see. And there it was: Joni's butt in front of the whole middle-class, mid-70's, military-repressed Buenos Aires church congregation. I remember I thought, "Joni, you exact such sacrifices from your worshippers!" I went to evening school in those days, so I had to take the thing with me to class. Naturally, I had to show the LP to all my classmates. That night everybody had a chance to comment on the virtues and shortcomings of Joni's rear. When I got home that night, I found a package containing Hissing, a gift from a penpal from Missouri. Then I thought, "St. Joni rewards her devotees with this kind of surprises too." WallyK >> Great Story Wally! I will forever remember that one. Thanks for sharing your early Joni days! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:20:16 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: BLUE on gold CD In a message dated 4/14/1999 10:33:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << I received my Gold Blue yesterday and I was soooo disappointed. It doesn't sound a bit better than my old CD copy. So I conducted a little experiment. I played my gold Tapestry and my gold Song for you against the old versions. I programmed the gold versions and the regular versions track by track, so that I could compare the CD's bit by bit [I know, I should get a life]. In both cases, the regular versions sounded at least as good as the gold versions. I was bewildered until I discovered that my regular versions are German and not American. So maybe European pressing or mastering or whatever it is they do to CD's is so good in Europe that gold versions constitute no improvement. Don't you find the sound on American CD's not so highly defined as in European or Japanese releases? I wonder what Jussi and the other Eurojmdlers think about this. WallyK >> Interesting!! I got CAS on gold a few years ago and I, for the life of me could not tell the difference. All this talk about Holiness now, opps lost in Joni...Blue on gold got me wanting it. I hope I am not disappointed too! I also picked up the limited edition of NRH. I had seen it at Circuit City but did not buy it. Well I bought it now. Catgirl...fingers crossed! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:34:06 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni songs...NJC In a message dated 4/14/99 6:10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << I've enjoyed your posts and I live vicariously through you on air guitar (shussssssh, don't tell anyone!!) >> Gina, girl... It's never too late to learn. Go for it! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:39:12 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: pc stuff (njc; long) > > The ultimate example has to be the public official who had to RESIGN > > HIS POST earlier this year because his correct use of the word > > "niggardly" was offensive to some... > > That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read! this has been quoted several times recently, to support the notion that political correctness is ridiculous. no one seems to have really followed the story. here's a late entry: - ----------------- >2-3-99 WASHINGTON (AP) - The mayor of the nation's capital is rehiring an aide who resigned because some people were offended when he used the word "niggardly'' to describe how he managed his office's funds. D.C. Mayor Anthony Williams was criticized by city officials in recent days for accepting David Howard's resignation over the use of the word, which means stingy and has no racial connotation. >On Wednesday, Williams urged Howard to return to his job as director of the mayor's Office of the Public Advocate. Howard agreed to go back to work but asked for a new posting. "Mr. Howard is working with my chief of staff and the Office of Personnel to determine to which position and when he will return to work for the District of Columbia,'' Williams said after meeting privately with Howard. "I believe I acted too hastily in accepting David's resignation.'' >Howard said he also was too quick to offer his resignation on Jan. 26. "At that time, I though it was the best thing for the city and the administration,'' he said. Howard said he resigned because rumors were spreading that he used a racial epithet in a Jan. 15 conversation with members of his staff, and he said those rumors had compromised his ability to be an effective public advocate. >Both the mayor, who is black, and Howard, who is white, said the word Howard used, when describing how he managed a fund, was "niggardly.'' Dictionaries and other language references trace its origins to Scandinavia and attribute no offensive meaning to it. A recent review by the mayor's staff found that one of the people to whom Howard was speaking misunderstood the word to be a racial epithet. Howard said he immediately apologized for any misunderstanding. "I understand, full well, how some African Americans and whites might be incensed by my use of such an arcane word. And I sincerely apologize for offending anyone. It was certainly not my intention. Clearly what matters is not my intention but the impact of the words on others,'' Howard said. - ------------ what's not said is that williams was a non-dc-area financial manager who'd been foisted on dc (by an arrogant republican majority in congress) to fix dc's consistently messy finances. he was distrusted by most dc blacks, who are, by the way, the most disenfranchised voters on this continent. but he'd done good work. dc voters had softened a bit and williams had been elected as mayor, narrowly. and then, he named david howard, an out-white-homosexual-man to an important position. very daring. anthony williams had very complex political oceans to deal with, and when a trusted aide used a questionable word, he freaked. we all did. briefly... but david howard was not forced to resign, he earnestly offered his resignation after making what he considered to be an unacceptable gaffe. he resigned for both political reasons (he'd damaged the career of someone he deeply respected) and personal reasons (he'd been identified with language that hurt people he deeply cared for). i believe he really resigned from grief from having caused pain. i think he demonstrated more integrity than any 400 jmdlers and i piss on attempts to reduce his action to some cowardly pc capitulation. you should be ashamed of yourselves. as people weighed in, it was obvious that his response was an overreaction. it was hard for most dc or national observers to imagine a less likely bigot than david howard. finally and publicly. anthony williams asked howard back to work. he is in another position in williams' administration. and this whole sequence took about three days. i really think this story, as it happened, makes comments like this: > > The ultimate example has to be the public official who had to RESIGN > > HIS POST earlier this year because his correct use of the word > > "niggardly" was offensive to some... to be the worst sort of lying bullshit on list. i will never settle for this level of misinformation, and i can't really respect those who would. patrick np - adams - lollapalooza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame Julius wrote: > The Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" > and Joni Mitchell's "Blue" album--were inducted Monday into > the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences' Hall of Fame. > and Janet wrote back: > Thus answering the age-old question: What do Joni Mitchell's "Blue" and the > Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" have in common? As if I needed another trigger to think of Joni and all of you jmdlers - during a toga party in 'Animal House', one of the funniest movies ever made. Brian, who's been on the road lately, this last time in the Black Hills of SD np: A&E Biography === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:32:15 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: BLUE on gold CD Wally Kairuz wrote: > I received my Gold Blue yesterday and I was soooo disappointed. It doesn't > sound a bit better than my old CD copy. > I was bewildered until I discovered that my regular versions are > German and not American. So maybe European pressing or mastering or whatever > it is they do to CD's is so good in Europe that gold versions constitute no > improvement. Don't you find the sound on American CD's not so highly defined > as in European or Japanese releases? I wonder what Jussi and the other > Eurojmdlers think about this. > WallyK Interesting question, and I do not have enough of a mix of US vs European CD's to answer. In terms of vinyl, however, US versions have historically been inferior. Japanese and German pressings seemed to be the best, by far. That is, unless the release was done with care (usually small labels). One would think that digital media would have leveled some of the differences. I guess a big part of remastering is having access to the first gen. master and not some kind of later gen production copy. I have read some interesting things lately about the great variations in quality of various CD manufacturers. Some of them are just into speeding it through and cutting corners, and you can hear the difference. And it all begs the question: why didn't they do a better job mastering these albums in the first place. Buying a new improved version every two years sucks. RR ps more bands that charged lots for tickets Eagles (until hell freezes over or until we can get $100/seat) Fleetwood Mac (my accountant says I'm down to my last $10mil) $tones I used to see 4 bands at Winterland for $6.50 God I'm starting to sound like a geezer! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:37:46 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Plug of the Month Someone at Los Angeles magazine truly loves Joni. As I've mentioned here before, it seems they find a way to mention her every month. They occasionally have "The Arbiter" column where some local character weighs in with "What's Over" and "What's Now". On the back page (p. 200) of the May issue, we have Michele Lamy, proprietress of Joni's latest purported hang-out, Les Deux Cafe, telling us what is "out", including patio furniture indoors, high heels, salsa, R.E.M., cell phones and coffeehouses; and what is "in", including caviar, Palm Springs, American Spirit cigarettes, Arabic music, long hair and JONI MITCHELL. Oh I know it's all such a trifle but I just love that they find every way they can to mention her each month ;-) Kakki NP: Laura Nyro - Time and Love (the best therapy song ever written) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:02:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Cheap concerts and scalpers (SJC) Some concerts I attended and prices in the good old days - $3.00 price range: James Taylor; The Eagles; Loggins and Messina; early Fleetwood Mac; Dave Mason; Savoy Brown; Poco; Jethro Tull, Herbie Hancock, Santana $6.00 price range: Peter, Paul & Mary, Arlo Guthrie, Cat Stevens, Moody Blues, Spirit, Buffalo Springfield, Joe Cocker, Richie Havens Around $7.50 price range (?) (Mr. Dulson help me out here) Joni - Miles of Aisles concert Getting the better of the scalpers (buy at showtime) ;-) $40.00 for $86.00 tix for Joni-Van-Bob at the Pond $25.00 for $45.00 tix for CPR at the Wiltern Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #160 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?