From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #157 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 13 1999 Volume 04 : Number 157 Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JTOJM CD now available [Wally Breese ] sheet music grovel [Patrick Mead ] Re: sheet music grovel ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC list... er... (NJC) ["paul tyrer" ] Re: joni's butt ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re[2]: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluor] NJC Cleveland [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Re[2]: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.c] Re: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: NJC list... er... (NJC) [catman ] A couple of questions about "A couple of things" (SJC) [LOREN CARTER ] A couple of questions about your "A couple of things" [LOREN CARTER ] Joni Power Songs/was Couple of Questions ["Don Rowe" ] Re: PWWAM [Phyliss Ward ] Re: A couple of questions about your "A couple of things" [Bob.Muller@flu] Re: Why PC talk... (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Again...I couple of ??? about "A Couple of things)...sorry (SJC) [LOREN ] Re: "Political correctness" (NJC) [Bill Dollinger ] Another Newcomer ["John Low" ] Welcomes, Video Trees, and See Ya! [Ashara@aol.com] Re: Joni songs [TerryM2442@aol.com] Therapy? [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Again...I couple of ??? about "A Couple of things)...so [TerryM2442@] Re: Therapy? ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Re:_Apologies_to_Tom_Ross_(NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: joni's sexiest song?? [Bounced Message ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Apr 99 00:20:44 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: JTOJM CD now available Hello everyone, As I promised, the JM.COM page that promotes our friend, David Lahm's new CD, Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell, is now up for your perusal. Read about the album, send in a review, buy the CD, and maybe even win yourself a copy in the contest! Here's the URL: http://www.jonimitchell.com/DavidLahmCD499.html Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:26:41 -0700 From: Patrick Mead Subject: sheet music grovel Hey there List-ers: After a brief layoff (of about 20 years) my wife Lisa has been rediscovering the piano, courtesy of a Yamaha keyboard I gave her for Christmas. Once upon a time one of Lisa's favorite songs to play was Joni's Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune) from the truly wonderful (you said it all, Kakki!) For The Roses album. Ever since Christmas I have searched in vain for sheet music for this song, so she can learn it once again. Can anyone help? I have spotted a couple of tattered copies of the original For The Roses music book for auction at eBay and have entered the bidding wars, but have always been left in the dust as the bidding rose to astronomical heights. I had hoped there might be a Joni piano music archive somewhere on the web, ala the guitar tablature resources, but if the piano music for this song is on the Net, I can't find it. We don't need anything fancy or of collector value, in fact a plain photocopy would be perfectly sufficient. If anyone can connect me with the music, I will happily offer a superb CDR copy of the Joni & James Taylor 1970 BBC appearance, or any other CDR, tape or video of your choosing from my lists (see URL below) as a token of gratitude for your assistance. Crossing my fingers in hopes of that old JMDL magic... /Pat mailto:pmead@pacbell.net CD-R, cassette & video tape trades: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 01:36:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: sheet music grovel Hi Pat, Good to see you pop up here! I gave myself a Yamaha keybopard for Christmas and am practicing her vintage songs again. I wish I had this songbook, too, it's impossible to find and nearly impossible to "win" on Ebay but there are a fortunate few out there who have it. May I recommend Pat as an excellent trader - one of the best tapes I've ever received was from his treasure trove - Joni doing For The Roses material live at the Troubadour. Not only my fave music but some of the best Joni chatter, too ;-) Kakki >After a brief layoff (of about 20 years) my wife Lisa has been >rediscovering the piano, courtesy of a Yamaha keyboard I gave her for >Christmas. Once upon a time one of Lisa's favorite songs to play was >Joni's Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune) from the truly >wonderful (you said it all, Kakki!) For The Roses album. Ever since >Christmas I have searched in vain for sheet music for this song, so she can >learn it once again. > >Can anyone help? I have spotted a couple of tattered copies of the >original For The Roses music book for auction at eBay and have entered the >bidding wars, but have always been left in the dust as the bidding rose to >astronomical heights. I had hoped there might be a Joni piano music >archive somewhere on the web, ala the guitar tablature resources, but if >the piano music for this song is on the Net, I can't find it. > >We don't need anything fancy or of collector value, in fact a plain >photocopy would be perfectly sufficient. If anyone can connect me with the >music, I will happily offer a superb CDR copy of the Joni & James Taylor >1970 BBC appearance, or any other CDR, tape or video of your choosing from >my lists (see URL below) as a token of gratitude for your assistance. > >Crossing my fingers in hopes of that old JMDL magic... > > >/Pat > >mailto:pmead@pacbell.net > >CD-R, cassette & video tape trades: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:46:07 +0100 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Re: NJC list... er... (NJC) Catman wrote:>Years ago, an American woman I knew, photgraphed a Bird's Eye advert billboard with the >line >TAKE HOME SOME FAGGOT'S TONIGHT. > >And of course, on my trip to New England, in a non smoking meeting, I said I was dying >for a fag. It just slipped out.... > Paul adds: And in Britain, we've got this aspiring young upstart on the music scene called Robbie Williams. he's very cheeky and sexy, though a bit full of himself. Anyway, he's trying to make it in the US now. However, his latest smash 45, Strong, is unlikely to succeed in the states as it contains the immortal line: "My mouth tastes of a thousand fags." Fags, of course, in Britspeak are cigarettes. Sadly, this is not the case in the good ol' US of A. PX > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:03:48 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: joni's butt Marcel wrote: >Is it ok to admit to this list that Joni's butt does in fact get me going ? >Im just curious now and I dont mean to get everyone all riled up. I've always thought it was quite "aesthetically pleasing" too. Helen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:30:50 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) The ultimate example has to be the public official who had to RESIGN HIS POST earlier this year because his correct use of the word "niggardly" was offensive to some... Bob ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) Author: Ginamu@aol.com at fdinet Date: 4/12/99 5:53 PM What really annoys *me* about the whole PC thing is the backlash and how people are automatically accused of it if they are simply standing up for ideals they have always held and spoken up for or if they are simply saying just about *anything* someone else doesn't want to hear. I think it's all bs. Either way one goes with it, I intensely dislike that term. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:40:46 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: NJC Cleveland Janet asks: <> Why, to check out Joni's display at the R&R Hall of Fame of course! (Although I've heard there's not much there to see...) Bob NP: The Kinks, "Attitude" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:49:03 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) In a message dated 4/13/99 8:32:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > The ultimate example has to be the public official who had to RESIGN > HIS POST earlier this year because his correct use of the word > "niggardly" was offensive to some... > > Bob Yep. The PC Gestapo are out there. It just fries me. Especially since I've worked with a ton of people of color who are sick to death of being called African-American when they call themselves black and referred to as Native American when they call themselves Cherokee Indian or whatever the case may be. I myself am considered "White Hispanic" - Please. I don't like census bureau tags applied to my ethnicity.This is just my perspective and I know perhaps there are many who differ and that's cool. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:02:12 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > The ultimate example has to be the public official who had to RESIGN > HIS POST earlier this year because his correct use of the word > "niggardly" was offensive to some... > > Bob > That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read! P.C. is just another word for censorship, and it was invented by people who claim tolerance for themselves while they deny it to others. Meant to say this the first time this story showed up on the digest, but didn't have the time to do so. There you have it now! Anyway, my 2 cents, Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:15:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[4]: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) Gina said: **I've worked with a ton of people of color who are sick to death of being called African-American when they call themselves black and referred to as Native American when they call themselves Cherokee Indian or whatever the case may be. I myself am considered "White Hispanic" - Please. I don't like census bureau tags applied to my ethnicity.This is just my perspective and I know perhaps there are many who differ and that's cool.** It may be cool, but it certainly works in reverse I think than what it's supposed to accomplish. Instead of encouraging harmony & tolerance, it accentuates the differences between us. "...a borderline Like a barbed wire fence Strung tight, strung tense Prickling with pretense A borderline" Of course, I could have re-printed the entire song lyric - it all applies! Bob, you could call me "Caucasian-Mexican-German-Christian-American, but I'd rather you just call me Bob! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:27:20 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) This is a subject dear to me and I recently had a column published in the NEA Advocate. Since it relates I thought I would post it for another view: Sticks and Stones Eliminating hate speech and protecting free speech in our schools and campuses is not inconsistent. Granted, the issue of hate speech/free speech is not an easy one. It has caused a philosophic schism in the American Civil Liberties Union, pitting those who defend Nazis’ rights to march in Skokie against like-minded civil libertarians who defend a student's right not to salute the flag in classrooms. Abortion, women's rights, and death penalty issues are much clearer. Speech codes make us wince a bit, much like installing Internet filters in our libraries. Both free speech traditionalists and speech code advocates are uncomfortable with at least some aspects of their own beliefs, while at the same time defending them. Are we really convinced that burning a cross on an African American family's front porch is free speech? Is lecturing that the world is flat the same as preaching that all Hispanics are lazy and ought to be deported. Does academic free inquiry include posting web sites extolling the virtues of Matthew Shepard murder? Absolute free speech has never occurred in our schools. We all accept limits to protect intellectual property, copyright, privacy, administrative secrets, and to discourage plagiarism, libel, threats, and disrespect. Absolute free speech did not end slavery in this country, a civil war did. Moreover, it certainly did not protect civil rights activists who tried to exercise their freedom of speech in the South. While speech codes vary, most condemn speech or expression that vilify, insult, victimize, stigmatize, or incite to violence a person or group based on their sex, race, creed, sexual orientation, etc. Although they do not affect the ranting of the Ku Klux Klan in a shopping mall, where no one is required to attend, they do protect our students, staff, and faculty. Provocative and challenging discourse does not need to include racist attacks, hate, or bigotry. Speech codes reflect an administrative responsibility to provide a safe, non-hostile, and diverse educational environment. Gerald A. Notaro University Librarian University of South Florida, St. Petersburg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:34:25 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Thinking Caps On?(NJC) Hi, This past weekend I was listening to NPR in the car and they were featuring a new artist whose first name, I think, is David. They were playing songs from his new album and all I can remember is the title of it was something like Fly On A Cake. Anyone know who this guy is? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:30:00 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Sexy Songs and Instruments Once again, I would vote "Cotton Avenue" as Joni's sexiest song. Her silky smooth delivery and her red sun rolling over grey skies make my tail wag like no other music can. Second runner up, "Blue Motel Room." I noticed some of you voted it as a least favorite, a surprise to me. I think this song contains Joni's best singing ever -- I even named my daughter Savannah because "Here in Savannah, it's pourin' rain" is one of the most beautiful phrases ever sung by any human on earth. Listen to the song again! As far as instruments played, I started out as a strictly classical pianist, with a great disdain for popular music, until my first listen of Joni Mitchell made me realize that pop music can be intelligent, too. Liking Joni loosened me up enough to understand and appreciate the style of vocalists such as Paul Simon, Sting, Stevie Nicks and Elvis. (I admit, I still don't get Bob Dylan, Rolling Stones, etc. And the one singer from the Grateful Dead grates full on my musical nerves something fierce.) I thought it ironic last year that a concert tour would team my favorite singer (Joni) with my least favorite (Dylan). I also play concert harp, Celtic harp and 12-string guitar. I am the world's worst viola player, and I practice hard to maintain that title. I do a lot of guitar playing and singing at theatrical shows, like renaissance faires, wild west rodeos, and such. Plus I play in a Celtic band or two or three. And I rarely, if ever, perform classical music any more. I'm in the studio recording a new album of original songs. The engineer's wife (a Joni fan) heard some of the tracks and remarked that I sound a lot like Joni on the piano. I never realized how much of an influence Joni's style had on me until it was pointed out and I heard it myself -- but being influenced by Joni Mitchell is not a bad thing, now is it? Regards to all on the list, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:39:08 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) Jerry Notaro wrote: > Eliminating hate speech and protecting free speech in our schools and > campuses is not inconsistent.... > Speech codes reflect an administrative > responsibility to provide a safe, non-hostile, and diverse educational > environment. > > I completely agree, and (although some of the US speech codes go a bit too far for my taste) if the advocates of Political Correctness would limit themselves to banning/punishing dangerous hate speech, they would receive my full support. However, their tactics includes changing the way people behave through altering their language, and this "reversed Orwellism" must be strongly criticized, even though some of its aims (e.g. racial/gender equality) are quite desireable. But the method is wrong and remains to be wrong. Quite often, Political Correctness is used as a convenient and effective means to *silence* people who hold different viewpoints. However old-fashioned, undemocratic, discriminatory some viewpoints may be; as long as somebody isn't *deliberately* inflicting harm on a certain part of society through his/her speech (e.g. nazi propaganda) , this person may be *criticized*, but shouldn't be subject to harmful personal sanctions. The result of P.C. is that people are forced to lie instead of being encouraged to think about their attitudes. Plus, there are many examples, where in the name of P.C. the rules of proportionality are grossly violated and witch-hunts are conducted. The "niggardly"-case is a crass, but by far not the only example. Another recent case is the sacking of this English football coach who, when specifically asked about his religious beliefs in a newspaper interview, said that disabled people were disabled because this was a punishment for former sins. I am disabled myself, and nevertheless I still believe that this person was treated wrongly. His rights to freedom of religion and freedom of speech were clearly violated. His sacking did not help disabled people in any way. Of course, especially for a politician, it is much easier to direct public opinion against a person who has voiced an politically incorrect viewpoint that to actually take legislative steps from which disabled people really would benefit. This way, he can pretend he's actually doing something, while in reality he ain't. Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:14:59 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Sean Connery in Tesco I would have. Now his son, Jason, is another matter entirely...... Wally Kairuz wrote: > AND YOU LET HIM GO?!?!?!?!? > WallyK > -----Original Message----- > De: Bounced Message > Para: joni@smoe.org > Fecha: Lunes 12 de Abril de 1999 19:14 > Asunto: NJC Sean Connery in Tesco > > >From: "Hejira" > >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:10:55 +0100 > > > >I just had to say I saw Sean Connery in Tesco. > >Kev > > > > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:15:04 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC list... er... (NJC) > > > > Paul adds: > And in Britain, we've got this aspiring young upstart on the music scene > called Robbie Williams. he's very cheeky and sexy, yes he is-very-in a sleazy way-he looks like a filthy bugger and loads of fun! > though a bit full of > himself. Anyway, he's trying to make it in the US now. However, his latest > smash 45, Strong, is unlikely to succeed in the states as it contains the > immortal line: > > "My mouth tastes of a thousand fags." What a terible thought! His songs aren't bad actually. > > > Fags, of course, in Britspeak are cigarettes. Sadly, this is not the case > in the good ol' US of A. > > PX > > > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:07:08 -0400 From: LOREN CARTER Subject: A couple of questions about "A couple of things" (SJC) Penny, you said >To end on a lighter note, I put together a tape of "power Joni" songs >for a friend who doesn't know of Joni. Pleased to report she can only l>isten to 2 or 3 songs in one sitting because she felt so overwhelmed by >Joni's "amazing depth". She stated many superlatives! I don't know >about anyone else, but whenever I put a tape together to expose someone >to Joni, I never have it in me to throw in some of her lighter stuff!!! As a relative novice Joni-phile (but striving to be a full fledged groupie), what "power joni" songs do you put on that tape? I'm ashamed to admit that I've not listened to all of her songs ( Stevie Wonder...For once in my life ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:25:50 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) > > > Another recent case is the sacking of this English football coach who, when > specifically asked about his religious beliefs in a newspaper interview, > said that disabled people were disabled because this was a punishment for > former sins. I am disabled myself, and nevertheless I still believe that > this person was treated wrongly. His rights to freedom of religion and > freedom of speech were clearly violated. His sacking did not help disabled > people in any way. I disagree strongly with Glen Hoddle's positon, but agree with you that he should not have been sacked. A similar thing was said in an article in Psychic News(now owned by the Spiritualists National Union), only this time some 'highlt spiritual' person stated that victimes of child abuse 'richly deserved' it due to past life misdeeds! Logically, this means that child abusers are only carrying out God's will.Whetehr or not we all live more than one life, we are each responsible, as adults, for our actions and beliefs and it is these that will determine what sort of life we will live. To me, the belief in 'karma' is often used as a way for people to minimize others or at .least to run from there own responsiblities and feelings. So much easier to believe a murdered person, an abused child, a disabled person deserves their lot than to do something to help and or change things. People want and need simple answers and often accept them without really thinking them thru. hence the fundies of all persuasions. Whereas there are no simple answers and certainly no real security in this world and many of our questions remain unanswered. So we need to have faith in our own divinity, the God within, where lies our only security. colin > > > Of course, especially for a politician, it is much easier to direct public > opinion against a person who has voiced an politically incorrect viewpoint > that to actually take legislative steps from which disabled people really > would benefit. This way, he can pretend he's actually doing something, while > in reality he ain't. > > Winfried - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:42:40 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: most sexy song >What is your choice for Joni's Most Sexy Song? 1. Blue Hotel Room for sensuality 2. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter for free-sexy dancing Debra K **************************************************************** "The end is nothing. The road is all." -- Willa Cather ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:17:37 -0400 From: LOREN CARTER Subject: A couple of questions about your "A couple of things" Penny, You said >To end on a lighter note, I put together a tape of "power Joni" songs >for a friend who doesn't know of Joni. Pleased to report she can only >listen to 2 or 3 songs in one sitting because she felt so overwhelmed by >Joni's "amazing depth". She stated many superlatives! I don't know >about anyone else, but whenever I put a tape together to expose someone >to Joni, I never have it in me to throw in some of her lighter stuff!!! As a relative neophyte in the adoration of our Ms Joni, I was curious to know what songs you placed on that tape for your friend. I'm ashamed to admit that I've not heard all of her songs. I'll state that I've heard a lot of them since my wife plays them all the time at home (especially during the weekends, playing on the floor with our son). I wanna be a groupie, know all the words, be able to identify the songs simply by hearing the intro, know what the titles to all the albums are, and what the lyrics are referring to. It's important to her, so it's importand to me. On your tape, is the order of the songs important? Do you place the songs so that they track her career (date-wise)? Thanks, Loren.....(who's gonna order the Gold BLUE CD and the Painting with Words and Music VHS shortly after I click the "send" button) NP.....For once in my life....Stevie Wonder Later, Penny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:34:18 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Joni songs I have been playing guitar since I was 13 and started off with Joni and that great book Joni Mitchell made EASY for guitar....lol! LOTC was my first song and I still love that song. I play most of her early stuff from songbooks since I have most of her songbooks. I play alot of songs off of TI since the songbook came out with all the RIGHT chords and tunings. I have a dulcimer which collects dust on my wall. I bought it to play Joni songs from the Hits songbook which I still have yet to do. So...I play mostly ONLY Joni. I have an old Alverez Yairi-6 string, a Ovation-12 string, a Kay-6 string-much older then the alverez. The only reason I got into playing guitar was because of Joni Mitchell. Being 13 pushing down on those strings KILLED my fingers...I started out on an old Harmony-remember them? When I finally got my alverez it was like butter. I love doing songs off of TI. Once at an open mike I did SEX KILLS. It was strange singing that song to a bunch of barflies but what the hey. Borderline is a real fun song to do and so is Sunny Sunday. I love the simple guitar chords in open D and wish I knew how to do her other songs when I was growing up! Catgirl NP:Joni's Just ice bootleg- Just like this train- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:43:35 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: PWWAM I can't praise the tape enough. A career milestone. I've made an audio tape to listen in my car and it hasn't been let out since. Buy two; one for yourself, and one for a friend! Jerry np: Blue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:24:10 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Joni Power Songs/was Couple of Questions Loren writes ... >As a relative neophyte in the adoration of our Ms Joni, I was curious to know what >songs you placed on that tape for your friend. Not to put titles on Penny's list, but here's a collection of songs I'd put on a "power tape" to lure a friend into the cult of JM ... not in any particular order -- as many as will fit should suffice -- or make a two-tape set!! Best of luck. Night Ride Home (Album Title track) The Chinese Cafe (Wild Things Run Fast) Ameila (Hejira) Let the Wind Carry Me (For The Roses) Down to You (Court and Spark) My Secret Place (Chalkmark In A Rainstorm) How Do You Stop (Turbulent Indigo) Hejira (Album Title Track) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (Album Title Track) Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire (For The Roses) Harry's House/Centerpiece (Hissing of Summer Lawns) Furry Sings the Blues (Hejira) The Silky Veils of Ardor (Don Juan's Reckless Daughter) Free Man In Paris (Court and Spark) Song for Sharon (Hejira) The Magdalene Laundries (Turbulent Indigo) Crazy Cries of Love (Taming the Tiger) For Free (Ladies of the Canyon) People's Parties/Same Situation (Court and Spark) Come In From The Cold (Night Ride Home) >I'm ashamed to admit >that I've not >heard all of her songs. I'll state that I've heard a lot of them since my wife plays them >all the time at home (especially during the weekends, playing on the floor with our son). Nonsense! In fact, I envy you the wonderful voyage of discovery you have ahead of you!! >I wanna be a groupie, know all the words, be able to identify the songs simply by hearing >the intro, know what the titles to all the albums are, and what the lyrics are referring to. >It's important to her, so it's importand to me. > Well as they say, the first step in Joni addiction is admitting you want to have a problem! :-) Again, best of luck!! Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:23:38 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Joni Power Songs/was Couple of Questions Loren writes ... >As a relative neophyte in the adoration of our Ms Joni, I was curious to know what >songs you placed on that tape for your friend. Not to put titles on Penny's list, but here's a collection of songs I'd put on a "power tape" to lure a friend into the cult of JM ... not in any particular order -- as many as will fit should suffice -- or make a two-tape set!! Best of luck. Night Ride Home (Album Title track) The Chinese Cafe (Wild Things Run Fast) Ameila (Hejira) Let the Wind Carry Me (For The Roses) Down to You (Court and Spark) My Secret Place (Chalkmark In A Rainstorm) How Do You Stop (Turbulent Indigo) Hejira (Album Title Track) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (Album Title Track) Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire (For The Roses) Harry's House/Centerpiece (Hissing of Summer Lawns) Furry Sings the Blues (Hejira) The Silky Veils of Ardor (Don Juan's Reckless Daughter) Free Man In Paris (Court and Spark) Song for Sharon (Hejira) The Magdalene Laundries (Turbulent Indigo) Crazy Cries of Love (Taming the Tiger) For Free (Ladies of the Canyon) People's Parties/Same Situation (Court and Spark) Come In From The Cold (Night Ride Home) >I'm ashamed to admit >that I've not >heard all of her songs. I'll state that I've heard a lot of them since my wife plays them >all the time at home (especially during the weekends, playing on the floor with our son). Nonsense! In fact, I envy you the wonderful voyage of discovery you have ahead of you!! >I wanna be a groupie, know all the words, be able to identify the songs simply by hearing >the intro, know what the titles to all the albums are, and what the lyrics are referring to. >It's important to her, so it's importand to me. > Well as they say, the first step in Joni addiction is admitting you want to have a problem! :-) Again, best of luck!! Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:28:32 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Why PC talk... (NJC) Don Rowe wrote: > > For example, I say, "I threw another faggot on the fire." This is a > completely legitimate use of the word "faggot", which means "a bundle > of kindling." [snip] ...and my statement describes, as best it can, a > simple action I took because I might have been cold. Why didn't you just turn up the thermostat? Where do you live, 14th-century France? ;) > > Now, in come the PC police and tell me that this statement is > inflamatory, biggoted and/or homophobic... Who are these PC police I keep hearing about? And how did they follow you to 14th-century France? If I were you I'd be more worried about the air pollution agency police. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:27:29 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: PWWAM Yes! I finally got my copy Thursday on DVD. So this weekend I had to run out and buy the DVD player also! (Thanks for the tip Michael!) I had commented earlier that I felt the vocals were not mixed high enough on the PPV special. Someone said they felt the same about the video version. This is definitely not true on the DVD. It's perfect! I could even see my husband and myself clearer in the audience on this version. Now maybe folks will really believe I was there! ; - ) Jerry Notaro wrote: > I can't praise the tape enough. A career milestone. I've made an audio > tape to listen in my car and it hasn't been let out since. Buy two; one > for yourself, and one for a friend! > > Jerry > > np: Blue - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:37:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: A couple of questions about your "A couple of things" Loren states: <> Loren, what a great attitude! How many marriages would be invigorated with this kind of mindset? (Of course, it has to work both ways...) Maybe you and your wife could take a "Joni-moon", a weekend getaway to the mountains or the lake or something with a loaf of bread, a jug of wine, and all these Joni discs, and your wife could share what's important to her about her work. Just a thought. In my case, if I ever want privacy in a crowded room, I start chatting about Joni and before long I'm all by my lonesome..:~( <> In my experience of tape-making, sequencing is CRITICAL! Moods, tempos, etc all play a part...I've had tapes that I had to re-do and re-do because the song order just wasn't right. Don't know if that's a blessing or a curse...:~) Bob NP: Earth, Wind, & Fire, "Sunshine" (Picking up on that Stevie groove that you got goin' on) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:43:02 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Why PC talk... (NJC) >If I were you I'd be more worried about the air pollution agency >police. > Oh that's right! Forgot about that leaf-burning law! Best grab me a flagon de l'eau and toss it on that fire tout de suite! ;-) Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:02:04 -0400 From: LOREN CARTER Subject: Again...I couple of ??? about "A Couple of things)...sorry (SJC) I am resending this in its' entirety since the last one got clobbered on the way down the mail chute. Sorry to be an American and consume all the bandwidth. Penny, you said >To end on a lighter note, I put together a tape of "power Joni" songs >for a friend who doesn't know of Joni. Pleased to report she can only >listen to 2 or 3 songs in one sitting because she felt so overwhelmed by >Joni's "amazing depth". She stated many superlatives! I don't know >about anyone else, but whenever I put a tape together to expose someone >to Joni, I never have it in me to throw in some of her lighter stuff!!! As a relative neophyte in the adoration of our Ms Joni, I was curious to know what songs you placed on that tape for your friend. I'm ashamed to admit that I've not heard all of her songs. I'll state that I've heard a lot of them since my wife plays them all the time at home (especially during the weekends, playing on the floor with our son). I wanna be a groupie, know all the words, be able to identify the songs simply by hearing the intro, know what the titles to all the albums are, and what the lyrics are referring to. It's important to her, so it's importand to me. On your tape, is the order of the songs important? Do you place the songs so that they track her career (date-wise)? What would the rest of you guys and dolls put on a single Joni tape is you only had 60-90 minutes to introduce someone to the world of Joni's music? Thanks, Loren.....(who's gonna order the Gold BLUE CD and the Painting with Words and Music VHS shortly after I click the "send" button).....Update......I ordered them. It's a done deal!.... and who is not niggardly when it comes to things for that special woman in his life. When the Gold Blue arrives, I'll ask her to play it for me. NP....It's lunchtime here in DC and they're giving traffic reports!! ARRRRRGHHHH! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:33:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: "Political correctness" (NJC) hi guys, delurking here, after a few months offlist. political correctness is a topic sure to get my attention. it appears to me that most people who use hateful or inflammatory speech use the pc label defensively in an attempt to disguise their boorish behavior behind a cloak of victimhood. free speech does not mean the right to bully or perpetuate ignorance without having such speech called into question. bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:19:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Again...I couple of ??? about "A Couple of things)...so Loren asks: <> Like any of our Joni lists, this is an ever-mutating thing, but if I was to go home tonight and make a Joni tape, it'd have: 1. Woodstock (LOTC) to set it up with something familiar, but assuming the person has only heard the CSNY version- subliminally, you're making them believe they already know & LIKE Joni's music...subversive, perhaps, but if you're successful, the end justifies the means!! :~) 2. Face Lift (TTT) Showcase her latest stuff... 3. Cactus Tree (STAS) Contrast with some of her earliest 4. Blue Motel Room (Hejira) 5. Wild Things Run Fast / A little more rock and rollish 6. My Secret Place (CMIARS) 7. In France They Kiss on Main Street (HOSL) Classic Joni middle period sound 8. Court and Spark / showcases her piano 9. Magdalene Laundries (TI) showcases her lyrics and her courage to tackle difficult subjects 10. Rainy Night House (LOTC) 11. Jericho (DJRD) 12. All I Want (Blue) 13. Night Ride Home That's probably a pretty good tape's worth...my own personal strategy would be to keep it accessible as possible, there's certainly a strong temptation to jump right in with a "Hejira" or "Blue" but probably better to stick with an easier intro... Bob NP: Kyle Eastwood "In The Wee Small Hours", Julia Fordham vocal... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:35:51 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Apologies to Tom Ross (NJC) Les Irvin wrote: >>The other day when I plugged Bryan and David's releases - how could I >>have forgotten Tom's CD? Tom was one of the very first list members >>and has basically kept in touch throughout. Pick up his CD at: >>http://www.barncard.com/Pages/cormack-rossBUY.html Sorry Tom! >>Please forgive my oversight. And? ... AND? ... Oh, Les, you gonna make me cry. - -Fred Simon, whose CDs can be ordered directly from me: frednow@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:39:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Apologies_to_Tom_Ross_=28NJC=29=7F?= Forgotten Fred wrote: >And? ... AND? ... Oh, Les, you gonna make me cry. > >-Fred Simon, whose CDs can be ordered directly from me: frednow@aol.com Heehee, I also thought of Fred this morning and was going to um, "prompt" something. I've heard some of Fred's CDs and they are gorgeous. Glad you posted the info. Now who else are we leaving out here??? Come on out with it so I can order all the CDs at once ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:24:24 EDT From: Clancyhart@aol.com Subject: joni's sexiest song the first time i heard "coyote" i was about 18, and the imagery was so powerful and sensual that it almost scared me. "he picks up my scent on his fingers while he's watching the waitresses' legs"--wow. i guess up until then i had some ideal of sensuality as being about love, romance...but that song seemed to be about raw, sexual power, and about making connections with people even if you know that it won't last. at least, that's how i heard it then, and i helped me justify all kinds of fun and reckless behavior. ah, youth. happiest song--"all i want" saddest--"cactus tree" always strikes me as so bittersweet and sad... i tried to articulate a few days ago how i feel about FTR and Hejira, and today i realized that i love in "coyote" that there are no regrets, but in "blonde in the bleachers" she is taping her regrets to the microphone stand. it is what i love best about joni--that she can be so full of regret and sadness and have no regret at all, and it makes perfect sense. it makes me feel good to know that part of the human condition, or part of mine anyway, is to be so full of contradiction. it reminds me of my youngest daughter, who can't understand that she can love me and be angry at me at the very same time. need to turn her onto joni, i guess... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:16:59 EDT From: Clancyhart@aol.com Subject: anonymity i realized that i didn't sign my name to my last long, rambling post about how sexy i find "coyote" to be. can only say that my children are even more threatened by my time in front of the computer than my rare time on the phone, and it is a miracle that i even attempted to sit down and write in the middle of the afternoon. and i don't understand the system well enough to know if my name will end up on that post or not...so, i still think coyote is a sexy tune..amy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:38:32 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: Contest Results Ahhh, well I"m sorry to say that no one got the correct answer to yesterdays's question. How should an American say, "Me and him is going to Cleveland together." The correct response was far easier than many entrants made it out to be. The one and only answer was, "He and I ARE going to Cleveland together." So we add another $1.00 to the kitty. :) Who has the next question? -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:45:32 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: Another Newcomer Yes, another newcomer finally breaking cover after enjoying the discusion as a silent observer for the past couple of weeks. I particularly enjoyed the discussion stimulated by Bob's "Favourites & Least Favourites" survey as it encouraged me to go back and re- examine my feelings about many of JM's songs. My interest in JM really began with "Blue" which I bought in London way back in 1971. It is an album that holds a special place in my affections and the songs still resonate with associations to places I visited and with feelings of being a long way from home (Australia). Songs like 'River', 'Carey' & 'California' were and always will be "stop you in your tracks" songs for me. I find the fragile beauty of Joni's youthful voice on albums like "Blue" and LOTC" as haunting and other-worldly as Nick Drake on any of his three albums from the same period. There are moments when you feel that the voice will just suddenly retreat beyond hearing and you are relieved when it continues. This certainly has a way of heightening your listening experience. I have never heard anyone compare these two musicians and wonder if this is just a personal impression shared by no-one else. What a tragedy that Nick Drake was not able to mature as a songwriter. JM just seems to get better with age. Songs like 'Borderline' & 'Sire of Sorrow' (just two examples of many) are wonderful complex songs that stretch the limitations of popular music. And, finally, I have to declare myself a Hejira man - IMHO as close to a flawless album as you can get. Thanks for all the interesting discussion which is expanding my appreciation of the music of JM. John. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:12:03 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Welcomes, Video Trees, and See Ya! Hello dear JMDL, Just a quick update. First of all, a very warm welcome to all the newbies on the list! There are quite a few of you, and I am so glad to see this list growing! I hope your time here on this wonderful, wacky list is as fulfilling and fun as it has been for me. It's always great to see our "family" growing! I am going to be away for about a week or so, so anyone who has sent requests for video trees, please be patient until I return. For all the newbies that have recently joined.... go to: JMDL Tape Trading Information to learn more about the video trees. Anyone interested in either versions of the tapes, (US or European) please e-mail me privately **after** April 26th. A request: Please don't talk about anything interesting while I'm gone. I don't want to miss anything! ;-) Hugs, Ashara {leaving you to talk amongst yourselves} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:13:11 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni songs In a message dated 4/13/99 12:37:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << .I started out on an old Harmony-remember them? >> Hey Catgirl! That was my first guitar as well- got it when I was 12 and holy cow, did those strings make mincemeat of my fingers. I think my brother stole it- Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:16:18 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Therapy? Don't ask me why, but today when I was listening to Joni in the car, I began wondering if she'd ever been in therapy. Has she ever talked about that? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:22:39 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Again...I couple of ??? about "A Couple of things)...so In a message dated 4/13/99 3:26:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << What would the rest of you guys and dolls put on a single Joni tape is you only had 60-90 minutes to introduce someone to the world of Joni's music?>> >> IMHO, it wouldn't be complete without A Case Of You. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:27:54 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Therapy? I've seen Joni comment twice about therapy. In one article, she said she had earned the right to sing "Twisted" because she had been through analysis. Now, when people just say "analysis" I always assume Freudian psychoanalysis, but who knows? In another article, Joni said she went to see a psychiatrist during a period of extreme depression. He asked if if she ever felt suicidal, and when she said no, he said, "Call me again if you feel suicidal." Can't give citations for either of these articles, but I think they're on the JMDL articles page, which is keyword-searchable. > Don't ask me why, but today when I was listening to Joni in the car, > I began wondering if she'd ever been in therapy. Has she ever talked > about that? Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:34:28 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re:_Apologies_to_Tom_Ross_(NJC) Thanks for the nice plug, Kakki. I'm probably just being a Big Cry Baby. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:20:48 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: joni's sexiest song?? From: "paul tyrer" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:14:21 +0100 What's the point of identifying Joni's sexiest song? Except for Paprika Plains, it'd all be over in three minutes flat! (unless you're listening to Hejira, which may help explain its popularity...). NO, what we need is Joni's sexiest LP... pour faire l'amour lentement. I must say that the invention of CD has helped me massively, since changing over from side a to side b was tres coitus interruptus in the olden days. And so it never really happened. I think that TTT is actually quite a sexy LP - low husky vocals and lots of slow space. (I don't find Crazy Cries that sexy, though the middle 8 gets going I s'pose). HoSL is quite good too (program your cd so that Jungle Line comes later on). But Clouds is my favourite - lots of dark and smoke. Good for winter saturday mornings. But then Joni probably isn't the greatest for shagging to... - but Nina Simone's Greatest Hits? Wow! PX ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #157 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?