From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #156 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 13 1999 Volume 04 : Number 156 Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Bryan [Thomas Ross ] Re: Joni's Most Sexy Song ["Helen M. Adcock" ] RE: Joni in Tesco's [Chris Marshall ] Re: Joni's Most Sexy SongNJC [catman ] RE: Play Joni [Chris Marshall ] Joni's Most ?? Song [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] NJC Laura Allan [Steve Dulson ] Bryan Update from the Horse's Mouth (NJC) [Bryan Thomas ] Re: Joni's Most Sexy Song ["Don Rowe" ] Re: joni's butt ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Bryan Update from the Horse's Mouth (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Play Joni ["Don Rowe" ] Re[2]: Joni's Most Sexy Song [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re[2]: Joni's Most Sexy Song [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Re[2]: Joni's Most Sexy Song ["Don Rowe" ] Re: 31 acts set for Woodstock '99 (definitely NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: joni's butt ["Don Rowe" ] Comfort and inspiration that's what you'll find... [michael paz ] (NJC)musicalisters [Randy Remote ] Re: Clouds [Randy Remote ] Re: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Clouds [Ginamu@aol.com] Q & A ["raymond" ] Re: Joni's Most Sexy Song [Ginamu@aol.com] NJC: English spoken by Americans ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Q & A [Mark Domyancich ] Re: NJC: English spoken by Americans [Mark Domyancich ] Re: NJC: English spoken by Americans [catman ] Re: Joni's Most Sexy Song [catman ] Re: Joni in Tesco'sNJC [catman ] NJC Sean Connery in Tesco [Bounced Message ] Apologies to Tom Ross (NJC) [Les Irvin ] Re: NJC: English spoken by Americans [Janet Hess ] RE: NJC Sean Connery in Tesco ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: English spoken by Americans ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Bryan get it! and see him live! TR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:59:11 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni's Most Sexy Song Lori wrote: >And if I had to cast a vote for Joni's most sexy >song, I would probably go with Shades Of Scarlet Conquering. > >I'm sure there are lots of opinions about this ... ! > >What is your choice for Joni's Most Sexy Song? Again, an almost impossible decision, but I'd probably go for Rainy Night House from Miles of Aisles - maybe an unusual choice, but I've always thought her voice is really haunting on that version. But how about some other categories? My votes (done pretty quickly, so I'll probably kick myself once everyone else chips in): Saddest song - River Most emotion-packed song - Stay In Touch / Little Green (although I could probably think of 10 more) Happiest song - Solid Love Most relaxing song - Night Ride Home And my favourite song of all? Going out on a huge limb here, but I'm going to say Two Grey Rooms. It's one of those songs I just can't hear once. I have to rewind the tape, or skip back a track on the CD every time it plays! Why, oh why, doesn't she play piano any more!!! Helen P.S. I can probably think of 20 songs for each category, and would change my mind about every one, so I'm just going to send this before I start thinking again! NP - Two Grey Rooms (currently on third run through!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:08:52 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: Joni in Tesco's On Monday, April 12, 1999 5:18 AM, CaTGirl627@aol.com [SMTP:CaTGirl627@aol.com] wrote: > Where's Tesco? There are brances everywhere.... in England. :-) - --Chris NP. Orbital - Spare Parts Express ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:19:49 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni's Most Sexy SongNJC > > > And the "ice cream is melting on a piece of pie" may be really erotic, but > there's nothing like wolfing down some good food after some robust > goat-dancing... always after! Never eat first. A romantic evening that includes dining out pputs paid to any goat dancing for me. food and goat dancing do not go together! > > > Bob > > NP: Tom Waits, "The Piano Has Been Drinking"... - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:22:38 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: Play Joni On Thursday, April 01, 1999 3:40 AM, michael paz [SMTP:michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net] wrote: > I have been wondering how many of us on the list are musicians and what > instruments we play. I am also wondering what Joni songs everyone plays. > Since I discovered this list (not that I am Columbus or anything mind > you) I have learned some many more of her songs using the tunings. > Before I joined the list the only song I did was Peoples Parties (that I > do in open E so I can sing it). I would like to know what instruments > everyone plays and what songs you cover???? I'm a bass player (UK, near Cambridge, anyone?) and I've got a Squire Precision that I had converted to fretless (best thing I ever did!!) and a Bass Collection II DB24. I can do /some/ Joni stuff on the fretless, like an approximation of Coyote (the harmonics ring beautifully) and Refuge of the Roads. I can't do anything like Dry Cleaner, or Black Crow though :-( I can probably do an approximation of most things on the fretted bass. I play mostly by ear though, so nothing is exactly the same. But where'd the fun be in that? :-) Cheers, - --Chris NP: Orbital - The Middle of Nowhere (not to be confused with the almost identically named Hanson album!...) ObNJC: If you like dance music, try the Orbital album. It's not out in the US yet, but it will be soon. It's wonderful stuff that will really exercise your speaker cones! Samples available on the Loopz web site: http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:13:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Joni's Most ?? Song Helen asked: <> Saddest song - Ethiopia, Man From Mars Most emotion-packed song - Blue, Chinese Cafe Happiest song - Chelsea Morning Most relaxing song - Night Ride Home (gets my vote as well) <> Probably Hejira, but as you said, a next-to-impossible choice... Bob, glad to cast my vote but I ain't countin' em...;~) NP: Yes, "Siberian Khatru" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:47:17 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: NJC Laura Allan Peter Holmstedt wrote: >Do you remember the name Laura Allan? If not, check the photos >on David Crosby's first solo album. That's her, playing the autoharp >on "Traction In the Rain"! Autoharp? She's playing dulcimer on at least one track. When I saw her live, I think her whole show was on dulcimer. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:32:29 -0400 From: Bryan Thomas Subject: Bryan Update from the Horse's Mouth (NJC) > Bryan? David? Is there a better or quicker way > to get ahold of your stuff? Thanks for all the interest in "Jennifer." I'm so proud of how she turned out. Been wanting to post about her to the list for quite some time now, but I didn't feel comfortable cluttering the space with such blatant self-promotion. But since you asked... ;-) To answer your question, Les, I'm just wee little indie guy. Other than CDBaby.com and a few music stores in the Albany NY area, I'm basically selling "Jennifer" from the trunk of my car. CDBaby, by the way, is the greatest. If you're an independent artist looking to have your CDs available online, I strongly recommend them (T. Ross - have I not talked to you about them yet?). Also: for those who may be hesitant about the online credit-card thing, CDBaby has a form you can print to mail-in your order. Plus: I will be performing a solo-acoustic set at the Fort/Sidewalk Cafe in New York City Thursday nite, April 15 (Tax Day!). I'm on from 10:30 to 11 pm. Others on the bill include my buddy Benjamin Wagner and bad ass acoustic assassin Hamell on Trial. Should be fun, and I will have copies of Jen-Jen at the show. The Fort is at Ave A and 6th St. The digits: 212-473-7373. Don't know if I'll be able to squeeze in any Joni covers with such a short set, but... we'll see. Thanks again to everyone for the interest and support. Peace... and back to Lurk Land, B. - ------------------------------------- http://www.bryanthomas.com music@bryanthomas.com NP: Cormack and (our own Tom) Ross, "Horse of Stone" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:44:26 EDT From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Most Sexy Song (I love two grey rooms--also one of my favorites. ) But in answer to the question... Sexiest has to be Crazy Cries of Love and bits of many, many, many songs--passion runs through Joni songs, ALL Joni songs-- I could drink a case of you, he's my fireworks at the end of the day and when he's gone the bed's too big, why is this joy not allowed?, and checking out your mojo... I could go on and on. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:02:28 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni's Most Sexy Song I'd have to suggest "A Strange Boy". The music itself is so seductive and slinky! And of course... We were newly lovers then We were fire In the stiff blue haired house rules - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:52:15 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Joni's Most Sexy Song Okay, this is a really off-the-wall choice, but I've always felt a dynamic nervous sexual tension running underneath "Talk To Me." The 'shut me up and talk to me' line brings it all home. I'll tip my hat to "My Secret Place" and "A Strange Boy" as well ... Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:55:22 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: joni's butt >Paul writes: >Joni's butt does nothing for me, alas! > See there, more proof that there's nothing so adamant as an ex-smoker! Don Rowe ;-) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:57:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Bryan Update from the Horse's Mouth (NJC) Bryan said: <> Bryan, Howzabout an east coast tour? Lots of good folk joints in the Carolinas, and you can even stay at my place! Thanks for the CD info...keep us posted! Bob NP: Dylan, "Love Sick" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:12:20 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Play Joni I'm one of the demon-synth players (Kawai K1-II, Moog Opus Three, Yamaha GS21 & QR530) on the list, though my "real" piano is still pretty passable. I'm also taking my first baby-steps on guitar this year, more for composition that covering. I've been composing originals on keys for quite a while now, but I imagine if I sat down for a few days, I could still do: The Chinese Cafe Three Great Stimulants Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Both Sides Now (which I adapted more from Judy Collin's harsichord arrangement that the original ...) Moon At the Window The Silky Veils of Ardor Furry Sings the Blues Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:17:08 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Joni's Most Sexy Song Phyliss said: <> Phyliss, I thought long & hard (no pun intended) about choosing that one as well for JSS (Joni's Sexiest Song), especially the lines prior to the ones you quote here - I'm assuming that they "did it" in the cellar with all those dolls "watching" (sort of a similar 'getaway' like in CCOL...hmmm, I wonder if Myrtle's house has a cellar...;~) But even the start of the song is sexy - Joni creates the tension as she's equally repulsed and turned on by the reckless side of herself that she sees in him, and obviously she's eventually falling for him. (The bad boys always get the girl...:~( Strange Boy gets short shrift sometimes; it gets lost among the "Fantastic Four" (Amelia, Hejira, Refuge, Sharon) but it's every bit as brilliant as anything on Hejira. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:20:15 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Joni's Most Sexy Song Don says: <> If it was "tie me up & talk to me" it would REALLY be an obvious choice...:~D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:32:23 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Joni's Most Sexy Song Bob writes ... > If it was "tie me up & talk to me" it would REALLY be an obvious > choice...:~D Or maybe even "beat me, spank me, call me Roberta, make me write back checks and talk to me" ... ;-) Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:37:52 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: 31 acts set for Woodstock '99 (definitely NJC) Lori writes of the upcoming pseudo-Woodstock ... >NEW YORK (April 9, 1999 4:00 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Limp >Bizkit? Korn? Rage Against the Machine? It's not your father's Woodstock. >The Dave Matthews Band, Jewel, Metallica and Alanis Morissette are this >year's headliners Sheryl Crow, the Brian Setzer Orchestra Wait a minute -- shouldn't this be called LollapaLillith?!? Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:02:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Jungle Line Tube says about HOSL: <> Actually I think Joni was inspired by the film "Diary of a Mad Housewife", the film starring Carrie Snodgrass. At least that's what another lister had said a while ago... <> What about Albert Brooks' "Defending Your Life"? It's Brooks' vehicle, of course, but Streep is great as well in this thought-provoking flick... Bob NP: Dylan, "Idiot Wind" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:13:50 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: NJC list... er... (NJC) On Sunday, April 11, 1999 2:08 AM, Eric Taylor [SMTP:ewwtaylor@adelphia.net] wrote: > Good point on PC. I've never thought of it that way. I quess what annoys me > about PC is it keeps changing. Just when I thought *black*, *woman* and > *gay* were the PC things to say, suddenly blacks want to be called African > American (a real mouthful), women approve of girl & bitch, and gays proudly > call themselves queer! Certainly from the queer point of view, and probably the others too, this has to do with the minorities (is /that/ a PC term these days?) themselves are reclaiming the words that were traditionally used against them. The idea is that this robs the words of their power when used by evil bigotted types. I could also argue, of course, that gays call themselves whatever they like, rather than resorting to labels. But I wont. Ooops, already did. Hey ho. Cheers, - --Chris ObSlightlyRelatedPoint: Last year I toured America for five weeks. At one point I was in San Francisco, and Castro. Found some wonderful South Park note paper with Cartman on the top yelling "Yeah! I want cheesy poofs!". When I explained that, in England, "poof" is a (now reclaimed :) word meaning gay, not corn/wheat snacks, the poor gentleman behind the counter nearly died laughing. Ah, language :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:24:25 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: Joni in Tesco's On Monday, April 12, 1999 11:09 AM, Chris Marshall [SMTP:Chris.Marshall@secure-si.co.uk] wrote: > On Monday, April 12, 1999 5:18 AM, CaTGirl627@aol.com [SMTP:CaTGirl627@aol.com] wrote: > > Where's Tesco? > > There are brances everywhere.... in England. I'll try that again, shall I? B R A N C H E S There, got it. - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:57:13 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) Gotta slip into my linguistics cap here and point a few things out ... as Chris writes ... >I quess what annoys me about PC is it keeps changing. Just when I >thought *black*, *woman* and *gay* were the PC things to say, >suddenly blacks want to be called African/American (a real mouthful), >women approve of girl & bitch, and gays proudly call themselves >queer! Well this is precisely the point. Any attempt, PC or otherwise, to stop, or even gently direct, the flow of meaning that language attempts to communicate is doomed to failure. The root of this lies in that language is, while sohpisticated, not a really good tool for describing an objective reality. Language conveys concepts and thoughts far more efficiently, and as those thoughts and concepts change, word meanings must change to reflect new thought patterns. So there is a constant back and forth with words. Add to this, that previous meanings can, and often will, still apply, and you can see the futility of even attempting "right speak." For example, I say, "I threw another faggot on the fire." This is a completely legitimate use of the word "faggot", which means "a bundle of kindling." Now, in come the PC police and tell me that this statement is inflamatory, biggoted and/or homophobic in its connotation. You can't blame that on the words, nor can you assume me a bigot or homophobe for using the phrase. The word still has its meaning as I intended, and my statement describes, as best it can, a simple action I took because I might have been cold. That's it. The PC folks, of course, will have none of this ... and such is life. Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:46:56 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's butt Is it ok to admit to this list that Joni's butt does in fact get me going ? Im just curious now and I dont mean to get everyone all riled up. marcel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: Jungle Line Affection I have always had a special affection for this song and the entire Hissing of Summer Lawns so I've followed this thread with some interest. I bought and went crazy over the album in 1976 as a junior in college and I remember half the hall in my wing of the dorm coming by to see what the hell I playing when the song came up. As I remember, the local record shop in Cleveland, MS reported that I was generating some sales. Not having access to critics in a small backwater town has some value I guess. Medric Faulkner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:13:25 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: joni's butt Marcel asks ... >Is it ok to admit to this list that Joni's butt does in fact get me going ? Oh sure, why not. As asses go, Joni's got as nice an ass as I've aspied. Now who's gotten going? ;-) Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:05:53 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Comfort and inspiration that's what you'll find... Amy wrote: "i have really loved all of the FTR/Hejira posts lately. heated arguments, fiery passions, and a clever little ditty to cool it down. as for me, hejira is a constant. i come back to it again and again and it never fails to amaze me. but for the roses is in my car tape deck right now--it touches my heart in a way that none of her other albums ever quite did. hejira inspires me, FTR comforts me. how is that for fence sitting? amy" Dear Amy- Thank you so much for this post. I wish I could express myself as eloquently as this (altho I do try). I just love this and it makes sitting on the fence a little easier on my bony behind. Cheers, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:09:33 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Clouds In the latest issue of the ever-funny British music magazine Q, Joni's Clouds makes the list of "The Best Blonde Albums of All Time" (along with Madonna's Immaculate Collection, Blondie's Parallel Lines, and The Police's Outlandos d'Amour), with Both Sides Now as the album's "blondest moment." - --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:54:49 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: (NJC)musicalisters Since ya asked- I play guitar and throat mostly. Also bass sometimes and piano (self taught). I've been playing guitar a long time, and write songs, but I'm pretty lazy about alternate tunings. I play a little Hawaiian slack key. The most common "taro patch" tuning goes: D G D G B D but there are lots of others. Joni songs I play or have played: The Gallery All I Want ("want to GET you a sweater", too) Woodstock (piano) The Priest Big Yellow Taxi Blue Motel Room (thanks jm.com) Amelia " " The Circle Game Both Sides, Now Shades of Scarlett Conquering when I was 18 I painstakingly learned "Blonde In The Bleachers" and fully appreciated the complexity of Joni's piano playing. I have since forgotten it. I'm actually alot more likely to play my own stuff, Beatles, or other favorite covers than Joni. I don't know, it's hard to pull her stuff off effectively, I think, because the material is so married to her personal style. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:57:33 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Clouds And Madonna (and Sting, too, I believe) are bottle blondes! RR voting for Cotton Ave as sexiest song David Wright wrote: > In the latest issue of the ever-funny British music magazine Q, > Joni's Clouds makes the list of "The Best Blonde Albums of All Time" > (along with Madonna's Immaculate Collection, Blondie's Parallel Lines, and > The Police's Outlandos d'Amour), with Both Sides Now as the album's > "blondest moment." > > --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:53:58 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) What really annoys *me* about the whole PC thing is the backlash and how people are automatically accused of it if they are simply standing up for ideals they have always held and spoken up for or if they are simply saying just about *anything* someone else doesn't want to hear. I think it's all bs. Either way one goes with it, I intensely dislike that term. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:05:44 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds In a message dated 4/12/99 6:01:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: > voting for Cotton Ave as sexiest song It's one of my favorite Joni songs on many levels. I love to dance and this song always gets me in the mood... Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:51:55 -0700 From: "raymond" Subject: Q & A Hi everyone- Its Q and A time. Firstly, the Question: I've just learned my favorite tuning is called "california kitchen"..... What is the "canadian" tuning I read about last night? Secondly, thought you might enjoy seeing all the pronunciations kindly contributed to the word HEJIRA: he-jeer-a hedge-IRA (as in Gershwin) hare-eye-ja hedge-EYE-ruh HEDGE-uh-ruh Keep'um coming! Cathy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:09:30 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Most Sexy Song In a message dated 4/12/99 11:51:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MHart16164@aol.com writes: > I love two grey rooms--also one of my favorites. ) > But in answer to the question... > Sexiest has to be Crazy Cries of Love and bits of many, many, many > songs--passion runs through Joni songs, ALL Joni songs-- > I could drink a case of you, he's my fireworks at the end of the day and > when > he's gone the bed's too big, why is this joy not allowed?, and checking out > > your mojo... > I could go on and on. > Sure, I could also go on and on. "and he loved me so naughty made me weak in the knees", though put into a context of other very complex and sad emotions, it's a rare artist who can sing a line like that and get away with it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:16:01 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: English spoken by Americans Since we NJC folks basically have our own list, I have modified my signature file, removing the request to let me have my ability to speak/post freely. To get the most out of my post today, please read it out loud: - ------- Just because we Americans belong in an English-speaking country does not mean that we know *how* to speak the English language. For example, today, one of my co-workers, in a business environment at the insurance company said to her husband, "Me and him is going to Cleveland together." Naturally this sparked my attention. I realized that she could have improved her grammer by putting herself *second* which would have yielded this interesting sentence: "Him and me is going to Cleveland together." Oh, my! We are not out of the grammar woods yet. Maybe if she changed "him" to a pronoun befitting the subject of a sentence, we would at last be at peace: "He and me is going to Cleveland together." Oh! "Me" is also incorrect! Since she is calling herself one of the two subjects of the sentence, she should have used "I", right? Let's try that, shall we? "He and I is going to Cleveland together." No, it is still not right! I give up! - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:45:03 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Q & A The notes are DAEF#AD, similar to open D. At 2:51 PM -0700 4/12/99, raymond wrote: >I've just learned my favorite tuning is called "california kitchen"..... >What is the "canadian" tuning I read about last night? Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark "This conformity factory is now closed!" -Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:49:41 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: NJC: English spoken by Americans How 'bout : "Him and I are going to Cleveland together." Or, "Going to Cleveland together, him and I." :-) At 6:16 PM -0400 4/12/99, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >No, it is still not right! I give up! Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark "This conformity factory is now closed!" -Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:49:23 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Joni covers - Tori Amos' cover of Case Of You - --part1_fa9ff45a.2443d273_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of Sarah's cover of Blue, I was at a friend's home around the holidays and she played for me one of those computer sound snips of Tori Amos' covering A Case Of You. I liked it but, of course, would love to hear the whole thing. I'm not aware of Tori having released this on any album. Does anyone know anything about this cover? A title search on the Tori homepage has led nowhere and my friend doesn't have any idea of where she located that audio clip. Gina NP: Xodo from David Byrne's Brazil Classics compilation - --part1_fa9ff45a.2443d273_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Ginamu@aol.com From: Ginamu@aol.com Full-name: Ginamu Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:51:57 EDT Subject: Joni covers - Tori Amos' cover of Case Of You To: Ginamu@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Reply-To: Ginamu@aol.com Speaking of Sarah's cover of Blue, I was at a friend's home around the holidays and she played for me one of those computer sound snips of Tori Amos' covering Case Of You. I liked it but, of course, would love to hear the whole thing. I'm not aware of Tori having released this on any album. Does anyone know anything about this cover? A title search on the Tori homepage has led nowhere and my friend doesn't have any idea of where she located that audio clip. - --part1_fa9ff45a.2443d273_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:59:18 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: joni's butt Of course it is okay to say so. There'd be something wrong if it didn't, if you are into women. Myself, I'd quite like to see keanu's bum..... MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Is it ok to admit to this list that Joni's butt does in fact get me going ? > Im just curious now and I dont mean to get everyone all riled up. marcel. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:58:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: English spoken by Americans how about: my husband and I are going to Cleveland together. although, perhaps, the together is redundant. Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Since we NJC folks basically have our own list, I have modified my > signature file, removing the request to let me have my ability to > speak/post freely. > > To get the most out of my post today, please read it out loud: > ------- > Just because we Americans belong in an English-speaking country does not > mean that we know *how* to speak the English language. For example, > today, one of my co-workers, in a business environment at the insurance > company said to her husband, > > "Me and him is going to Cleveland together." > > Naturally this sparked my attention. I realized that she could have > improved her grammer by putting herself *second* which would have > yielded this interesting sentence: > > "Him and me is going to Cleveland together." > > Oh, my! We are not out of the grammar woods yet. Maybe if she changed > "him" to a pronoun befitting the subject of a sentence, we would at last > be at peace: > > "He and me is going to Cleveland together." > > Oh! "Me" is also incorrect! Since she is calling herself one of the > two subjects of the sentence, she should have used "I", right? Let's > try that, shall we? > > "He and I is going to Cleveland together." > > No, it is still not right! I give up! > -- > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:58:42 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Why PC Talk Can't Work/Was NJC list ... er (NJC) Don Rowe wrote: > Gotta slip into my linguistics cap here and point a few things out ... > as Chris writes ... > > >I quess what annoys me about PC is it keeps changing. Just when I > >thought *black*, *woman* and *gay* were the PC things to say, > >suddenly blacks want to be called African/American (a real mouthful), > >women approve of girl & bitch, and gays proudly call themselves > >queer! > > Well this is precisely the point. Any attempt, PC or otherwise, to > stop, or even gently direct, the flow of meaning that language > attempts to communicate is doomed to failure. The root of this lies > in that language is, while sohpisticated, not a really good tool for > describing an objective reality. Language conveys concepts and > thoughts far more efficiently, and as those thoughts and concepts > change, word meanings must change to reflect new thought patterns. > > So there is a constant back and forth with words. Add to this, that > previous meanings can, and often will, still apply, and you can see > the futility of even attempting "right speak." > > For example, I say, "I threw another faggot on the fire." This is a > completely legitimate use of the word "faggot", which means "a bundle > of kindling." which is why homosexual men are referred to as faggots-cos they used to roast us over faggots. Today we get walls pushed on us in some places.Here they tried to outlaw blackboard, black bin liners etc. However, i think there is much to pc that is good. the word nigger has it's origins in an inocuous word, I think the spanish for black. It still sounds awful and I cannot think how it could ever sound right in usage. > Now, in come the PC police and tell me that this > statement is inflamatory, biggoted and/or homophobic in its > connotation. You can't blame that on the words, nor can you assume me > a bigot or homophobe for using the phrase. The word still has its > meaning as I intended, and my statement describes, as best it can, a > simple action I took because I might have been cold. That's it. The > PC folks, of course, will have none of this ... and such is life. > > Don Rowe > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:59:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC list... er... (NJC) Years ago, an American woman I knew, photgraphed a Bird's Eye advert billboard with the line TAKE HOME SOME FAGGOT'S TONIGHT. And of course, on my trip to New England, in a non smoking meeting, I said I was dying for a fag. It just slipped out.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:59:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni's Most Sexy Song What is a back cheque? Don Rowe wrote: > Bob writes ... > > If it was "tie me up & talk to me" it would REALLY be an obvious > > choice...:~D > > Or maybe even "beat me, spank me, call me Roberta, make me write back > checks and talk to me" ... ;-) > > Don Rowe > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:59:22 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni in Tesco'sNJC Maybe you should also have said Britain! I must be getting old or very sad as tonight I visted tesco in Peterborough. It is the largest anywhere. It was HUGE. I was was so thrilled by it. never seen one that big. No shop of any description have I seen that big. You'd lose weight just walking around it. They sold everything almost and the food selection was wonderful. Chris Marshall wrote: > On Monday, April 12, 1999 11:09 AM, Chris Marshall [SMTP:Chris.Marshall@secure-si.co.uk] wrote: > > On Monday, April 12, 1999 5:18 AM, CaTGirl627@aol.com [SMTP:CaTGirl627@aol.com] wrote: > > > Where's Tesco? > > > > There are brances everywhere.... in England. > > I'll try that again, shall I? > > B R A N C H E S > > There, got it. > > --Chris > > Chris Marshall > Secure Systems Integration Ltd. > Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 > Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 > E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk > PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt > Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:30:00 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: NJC Sean Connery in Tesco From: "Hejira" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:10:55 +0100 I just had to say I saw Sean Connery in Tesco. I live near St Andrews Scotland I think he was here for the golf. Kev ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:03:04 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Apologies to Tom Ross (NJC) At 09:32 AM 4/12/99 , Bryan wrote: >NP: Cormack and (our own Tom) Ross, "Horse of Stone" The other day when I plugged Bryan and David's releases - how could I have forgotten Tom's CD? Tom was one of the very first list members and has basically kept in touch throughout. Pick up his CD at: http://www.barncard.com/Pages/cormack-rossBUY.html Sorry Tom! Please forgive my oversight. Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:19:44 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: NJC: English spoken by Americans OK, I give up: Why would *anyone* go to Cleveland? >How 'bout : "Him and I are going to Cleveland together." > >Or, "Going to Cleveland together, him and I." > >:-) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:32:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Sean Connery in Tesco AND YOU LET HIM GO?!?!?!?!? WallyK - -----Original Message----- De: Bounced Message Para: joni@smoe.org Fecha: Lunes 12 de Abril de 1999 19:14 Asunto: NJC Sean Connery in Tesco >From: "Hejira" >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:10:55 +0100 > >I just had to say I saw Sean Connery in Tesco. >Kev > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:43:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: faggots >For example, I say, "I threw another faggot on the fire." This is a >completely legitimate use of the word "faggot", which means "a bundle >of kindling." >Don Rowe It's the old question whether a gun is bad per se. Of course, words are inefficient vehicles to convey the whole experience of being. However, environment and context will make a sentence like the one Don used a simple statement of fact or the confession of a particularly nasty way of murdering a homosexual. By the way, the word "faggot" is 14th century term. Though still not proved conclusively, rumor has it that it was first used to refer to us because of the way our like used to be burned to death: roasting over faggots of not quite dry wood. WallyK, out of the fire and still smouldering ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:51:12 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: English spoken by Americans Sorry, but I don't get the joke. Is it a pun or something? The correct form is "He and I are going to Cleveland." Now, what's the punch line? WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:39:43 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: English spoken by Americans In a message dated 4/12/1999 6:19:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << "Him and me is going to Cleveland together." Oh, my! We are not out of the grammar woods yet. Maybe if she changed "him" to a pronoun befitting the subject of a sentence, we would at last be at peace: "He and me is going to Cleveland together." Oh! "Me" is also incorrect! Since she is calling herself one of the two subjects of the sentence, she should have used "I", right? Let's try that, shall we? "He and I is going to Cleveland together." No, it is still not right! I give up! -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** >>How about *We are going to Cleveland*..wanna come? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:27:15 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Van Gogh's ear..... When Turbulent Indigo came out the first 30,000 or something like that of the Cd would get a little ear from Van Gogh. I went to circuit city the day the Cd came out, bought it and no ear. I bought 2 more of those CD (Yes- I have 2, I gave one away totaling 3 TI-the newer one came out in a jewel case the other is cardboard) and still no ear... :( did anybody get an Ear in their CD? I know she gave one to Jay Leno who probably just threw it in a drawer or something. I bought 3 and no ear...booo-hoooo! ( one big boo-hoo) If any one has an extra ear laying around I would love to trade something for it. Catgirl...talking about the mad house, talking about the ear.....I want an ear:::::jumping up and down::::::Ear, Ear,Ear......... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #156 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! 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