From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #148 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 148 Joni the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- album sales [evian ] Re: CD Recorder (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] RE: CD Recorder (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Faves/Least faves [catman ] Re: CD Recorder (NJC) [catman ] Re: CD Recorder (NJC) [catman ] NJC How to Donate for Kosovo Relief NJC ["Happy The Man" ] Jonatha Brooke (sjc) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Charlie Rose (njc) [Lisa Molin ] Larry & Joni [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] re: FYI---Joni Mitchell [Bounced Message ] Re: XTC (With Added JC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Jungle Line [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] The Video Has Arrived (JC) ["Barnicle, Kathryn" ] Re: PWWAM video - questions/observations [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] A Game of Cat & Mouse (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Faves/least listened to Faves and repenting ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Most/Least: TAMING THE TIGER [Randy Remote ] Re: needle exchange [Randy Remote ] Re[2]: Most/Least: TAMING THE TIGER [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: needle exchange ["Davina Greenstein" ] Re: The Video Has Arrived (JC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: Most/Least: TAMING THE TIGER [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re:recordwashing [Randy Remote ] Dylan & Simon Tour Dates ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: The Jungle Line (was Re: Faves/Least faves) [David Wright ] Re: CD Recorder (NJC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: CD Recorder (NJC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: XTC (With Added JC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: The Video Has Arrived (JC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: Most/Least: TAMING THE TIGER [CaTGirl627@aol.com] NJC- turntable accessories [Bounced Message ] Hejira ["raymond" ] Re: Jungle Line ["Travis Moser" ] Re: PWWAM video - questions/observations ["Travis Moser" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 01:07:51 -0600 From: evian Subject: album sales Hi, I am just curious as to whether or not anyone knows a roundabout figure for number of each of Joni's albums sold. I know the ones that went platinum and/or gold, but I would really be curious to find out how many units each one sold, especially the '80's albums. Evian np: Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me -- The Cure ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:47:17 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: CD Recorder (NJC) catgirl wrote: >>I had to return my PHILLIPS Cd burner because you can only use phillips CD's which >are not cheap and I feel unfair. What marketing!> Catgirl, you got some misinformation. Here's the scoop: the Philips standalone audio CD recorders are marketed to "consumers," meaning non-music biz professionals. Because major record conglomerates (one of which owns Philips) were worried that "consumers" would wantonly copy commercial CDs, they stipulated that these CD recorders carry several "features," one of which is the SCMS code (Serial Copy Management System), which prevent making digital copies of digital sources that carry the SCMS code, namely, all commercial CDs. Because the record weasels felt that they would still lose money from the analog copies that "consumers" would make (because that would mean one less sale of a commercial CD), they imposed a built in tax on the special blank CDs that one must use with these "consumer" CD recorders. Theses CD blanks are essentially the same as regular CD blanks but have a code built in that the machines need to see before they will record on them. These CD blanks are marked "for consumer only" and are more expensive than the CD blanks you use in a computer data/audio CD burner, although now that the "consumer" CD recorders are proliferating (made not only by Philips but Pioneer, Marantz, and others) the price of the "for consumer only" blanks has come down to about $3-4 each. However, they don't have to be made by Philips ... many companies make "for consumer only" CD blanks, the cheapest being Kodak right now. There are standalone audio CD recorders made for the music biz professional market which bypass the SCMS code and can use cheap CD blanks, and have other useful features built in, but they are about twice as expensive as the "consumer" models. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 05:10:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: CD Recorder (NJC) since we're talking cd recorders here... my computer cd recorder will add an annoying 2-second pause between tracks when i'm trying to record opera [opera cd's have tracks but no silence in between the tracks]. this pause substracts the two seconds from the original sound. as a result, for example, the soprano is cut in the middle of a note, there's 2-second pause, the track changes and the soprano finishes her note. do you think that this is due to the cd recording software, the machine, me, the soprano? i'm not machine-savvy at all, so suggestions will be most appreciated. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:04:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Faves/Least faves The Jungle Line is the song responsible for me getting into Joni. I heard it on the radio in 75 and went out and bought HOSL. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:04:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: CD Recorder (NJC) I use ADAPTEC programs for all my recordings. It will record to disc 'AT ONCE' meaning the burner will not switch off therefore no gaps at all between tracks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:04:34 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: CD Recorder (NJC) I have opnly had one cd recorder-a Hewlett Packard that is attached to my pc-a 7200 e(external). I have no problems with it. The blanks cost me $1. Re writables, much more! The only time I had a problem was copying a Word 97 cd. It appeared to do it but when I tried to use the copy, it had a file missing which prevented it from working! I have been told this is a feature of Microsoft! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:10:37 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: NJC How to Donate for Kosovo Relief NJC Be very careful when donating to the US Government in regards to relief programs your money has a tendency to be spent more on the adminstration then it does on actual relief. In the 80's only .22 on the dollar made it to the actual relief area, (cambodia, nigeria, india, honduras, el salvador, etc.). They are to the point where they don't list the amount that goes to actual relief. Before you give see where you can do the most good for your buck. Anything in the .90's is excellent and the .80's is good, I wouldn't go any lower. There is a group out of Redwood City, CA. called Manna International that is usually at .93 on the dollar and one in West Monroe, LA. that has been as high as .99 and as low as .89 depending on transportation resources. If you are interested in names and address and background information on these or other organizations please email me privately. Peace, Craig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 06:58:35 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Man From Mars Cat's inquiring mind want to know ... >Speaking of which...does any one know what happened to their marriage? Did Shawn Colvin have anything to do with it? I haven't heard or seen anything specific about this. I only remember the two of them up on stage accepting the Grammy for TI and remarking about how much happier they were now that they weren't married anymore. And throughout the recent concert tour, Larry and Joni seemed very close, and through some crowd heckling, Larry looked extremely protective of Joni. So it seems that they are still quite close -- just no longer legally hitched. Don't think Shawn played any part whatsoever. Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:04:24 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Jonatha Brooke (sjc) Hi, Jonatha Brooke has a web site that has a bulletin board for fans to write messages on. She frequently writes back, so I HAD to tell her how I'd discovered here here, on the Joni list. She wrote back: "I have always loved Joni, of course. And am flattered to be a part of the conversation." Check her out at JONATHA BROOKE, bad dog records The boards are under the category, Jonatha. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:41:53 +0000 From: Lisa Molin Subject: Charlie Rose (njc) Cassandra Wilson will be a guest on Charlie Rose tonight (Channel 13 in NYC @ 11:00 pm) Maybe she'll mention Joni? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:27:52 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Larry & Joni Don said: <> And in Atlanta, he brought out a birthday cake, led the crowd in "Happy Birthday", and you could tell their feelings were very mutually content. Amazing how marriage can screw up a good friendship sometimes... Bob NP: Dire Straits, "Heavy Fuel" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:15:15 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: re: FYI---Joni Mitchell Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Hey Catgirl, Just before Christmas, some friends gave me a copy of Leonore Fleischer's book (they found it in our local library's cast-off sale, and thought of me, bless them). It does have tons of pictures! That's what makes it so much more valuable than the Hinton book - they both indulge in frequently specious analyses of Joni's lyrics (it seems that few writers are willing to take what Joni says in her interviews seriously: they're always wondering what song was about whi.ch lover). But at least Fleischer's book has lots of photos; Hinton's is surprisingly miserly with them. It's also really interesting to read Fleischer after all these years - it was published just after the release of HOSL, so her closing paragraph says volumes about what many of Joni's fans may have been thinking at the time: It would be astonishing indeed if THOSL reached the same pinnacle of success the FTR or C&S did. It is so much less accessible....the songs are not singable by anybody but Joni....less melodic, less personally engaging. This album marks the emergence of a total new style for Joni, no longer on her Magic Princess trip. Still poetical, it has taken Joni away from her customary and very popular subject matter - the fragile nature of the heart and the complex byways it takes in its searches for another heart - and into avenues of expression that many of her listeners may be too perplexed to follow. Little did her "listeners" know that Hejira and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter awaited them - to say nothing of Mingus.... Yikes! Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:14:04 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: XTC (With Added JC) Gina says: <> Gina, I had to smile at the last comment you made here...after all, isn't what most of the uninformed out there say about our beloved Joni? Unfortunately, when you've never had a slump (artistically, anyway), there's no dramatic "comeback" for the media and the masses to rally around. Instead, folks like Joni, XTC, Suzanne Vega, etc. just keep putting out excellent work and the general buzz is "sounds really nice but pretty much the same sort of good thing that they've been putting out for some years now". To me XTC's "Apple Venus Vol. 1" stands out in the 1999 musical landscape for several reasons: 1. The melodies - yes, you heard right, actual original MELODIES, not "riffs", "sound bites" or samples, these tunes will have you humming, whistling, and/or singing after the first listen! 2. Use of a real orchestra - although they could only afford it for one day, XTC knew that in the end REAL strings & woodwinds & percussion sound better than manipulated keyboard and synthesizer sounds. 3. Like Joni, they don't bow to fashion and trends, but write what they want to write about and make the music they want to make. 4. It's the first record I've bought in a long while that I have to fight my 12-year old for. He's got pretty good taste, hasn't fallen for Joni YET though, I suppose he'll have to fall in love first! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:31:30 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Jungle Line Deb commented: <> Deb, Speaking as someone who put it as a "least favorite", I'll clarify by saying that I don't dislike it at all! I think it's just kind of a misfit on the album, whether it's the Burundi drummers or the lyrical content or just the overall sound of it, it stands apart from the other pop/jazz/airy songs dealing mostly with the dark side of suburbia. For the same reason, "Ethiopia" is my fave on DED as it stands out as having a much more "human" sound as compared to the sterility of the rest of the record. Side note: Did Rage Against The Machine get their name from "Smokin'"?? ;~) It's like the old Sesame St. song "one of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong..." :~) Bob NP: Cheap Trick, "Taxman" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:40:07 -0400 From: "Barnicle, Kathryn" Subject: The Video Has Arrived (JC) It's here, it's here! I just received my Painting with Words and Music video from CDNow along with two Joni CD's that I did not have in my catalog. I ordered them on Friday and received them today! Thanks CDNOW, Thanks Wally! Gonna have some fun tonight! Katie from the Cape ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:54:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: PWWAM video - questions/observations Helen observed: <> Good observation Helen, she did more from Hejira than TTT on tour as well; kind of ironic based on what she constantly tells her audiences that she keeps wanting to "take that hejira again, man!" :~) But don't get me wrong - I loved to hear them live, and cried like a wee baby when she started Amelia. << This, matched with the observation that it appears to rate as the "favourite" JM album among many/most listers, makes me think that perhaps the reason it's the favourite with so many people is that it's her favourite too - maybe the emotions are stronger. Any thoughts, anyone?>> It's been my favorite forever, way before she said it was hers, and I think everyone else would say the same. And you hit the nail on the head, it's the emotions... <> I think the songs lend themselves to ANY group of musicians, from the awesome band on "Shadows & Light" to Greg Liesz jamming on pedal steel to "Black Crow"... <> The two factors I know of: (1) She was busy re-uniting with her daughter; (2) she felt the whole thing was kind of a hollow marketing scam (and probably that she should have been inducted at the very beginning, an opinion with which I concur) Bob NP: Dishwalla, "Pretty Babies" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:58:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: A Game of Cat & Mouse (NJC) Kakki notes: I think it is so cute we have a catgirl and a catman (and even a Ricardo Rodent here now ;-) And don't forget "Ignatz Mouse"! (Assuming he's still lurking out there...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:50:03 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Faves/least listened to Faves and repenting Craig wrote: <> I searched everywhere for a needle for my B&O turntable a few years ago and finally found one for $125. So I bought a CD player instead. I don't miss the snap, crackle and pop of vinyl one bit! But while I feel CDs sound 100% better than vinyl, nothing beats the warm sound of a good old tube amp. I'm just wondering, Craig & Kakki, do you prefer rabbit ears over cable or a typewriter over a computer? ;~D E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: The Jungle Line (was Re: Faves/Least faves) David Lahm wrote: > > Deb, I totally agree with you about "The Jungle Line"--it is so clear, so > fierce, so startlingly original. One of the first indications that her > innovations would go beyond lyric-writing and harmonies on into the total > setting of a mood, evoking a mood that you could call "confronting" > "threatening" "sinister"--the recognition of a new world out there she hadn't > seemed completely to bring into the music before. The easiest word for it > would be BLACK. My immediate thought is, and *why* is that? What strikes me is that the language of this post lays bare (perhaps inadvertently) the social constructs which affect how we hear, and how Joni created, The Jungle Line. As this post clearly states, American/European culture, including The Jungle Line, equates Africa/"BLACK"ness with "confronting," "threatening," and "sinister" -- otherness. This kind of symbolism is ingrained in our culture and reinforced in a lot of ways (remember also the prevalence of "white-good; dark/black-evil" metaphors in our texts -- e.g., Conrad's "Heart of Darkness"), and it's racist. I have a real problem with how Joni participates in, or plays into, this racist construction (as well as that problem with her appropriating field recordings I described recently; the two problems are not unrelated, I think). David Lahm is quite right: she surrounds those (appropriated) Burundi drums with a synthesizer line which practically begs to be heard as "sinister" and "weird." From certain lyrics, I'd like to think that on DJRD she was more aware of this cultural mechanism, and questions it. Any thoughts? > Pardon me if I have the order of albums mixed up... You don't. Take care, - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:39:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: SHADOWS AND LIGHT Picking up where I left off... Shadows & Light 1. Amelia (7) Hejira (7) Pat's Solo (4) Shadows & Light (2) Coyote (2) Why Do Fools Fall In Love (2) Woodstock The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines Introduction (which I wouldn't have included but it got a vote) Furry Sings The Blues Black Crow Edith & The Kingpin Dreamland Nobody Picked: In France They Kiss on Main Street Goodbye Pork Pie Hat Don's Solo Free Man In Paris God Must Be A Boogie Man 2. God Must Be A Boogie Man (4) Don's Solo (4) Free Man in Paris (2) Edith & The Kingpin Furry Sings The Blues The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines Nobody Picked: The other ones ;~D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:49:10 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: NIGHT RIDE HOME Night Ride Home 1. Two Grey Rooms (12) Come In From the Cold (9) Slouching Toward Bethlehem (7) Cherokee Louise (6) Night Ride Home (6) Passion Play (When All The Slaves Are Free)(2) Nothing Can Be Done (2) The Only Joy In Town (2) Nobody, not even Wally K, picked: The Windfall (Everything For Nothing) Ray's Dad's Cadillac 2. The Windfall (Everything For Nothing) (11) Ray's Dad's Cadillac (6) Nothing Can Be Done (6) Two Grey Rooms (4) The Only Joy In Town ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:58:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: TURBULENT INDIGO Turbulent Indigo 1. The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) (6) Turbulent Indigo (6) Magdelene Laundries (6) How Do You Stop (4) Sunny Sanday (3) Borderline (2) Last Chance Lost (2) Sex Kills Nobody Picked: Not To Blame Yvette in English 2. Yvette in English (5) Sex Kills (5) Not To Blame (4) Last Chance Lost (4) The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) (3) Sunny Sunday (2) Turbulent Indigo (2) How Do You Stop Borderline Nobody picked: Magdalene Laundries ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:16:26 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: The Jungle Line (was Re: Faves/Least faves) Very interesting point, David. I agree with both you and "the other David" on the "weird" mood evoked by that synthesizer line and the song in general, and this is probably one of the reasons why I don't like it. I think, given Joni's outspoken admiration for "black" music, calling her perspective "racist" is probably a bit too strong. Cultural differences between Europe and Africa are undeniable, and there definitely are differences in mentalities as well. They still exist, even if it needs to be pointed out that there has been a lot of overlapping and interaction going on and there is no such thing as a purely "white" or purley "black" culture anymore. These are dangerous myths. We all live in multicultural societies. Nevertheless, I don't think portraying something as alien is racist in itself. However, people are extremely quick to identify "alien" with "inferior" and that is the real birthplace of racism. Greetings to all, especially all those newbies on the list -- glad to have you here! Winfried David Wright wrote: > David Lahm wrote: > > > > Deb, I totally agree with you about "The Jungle Line"--it is so clear, so > > fierce, so startlingly original. One of the first indications that her > > innovations would go beyond lyric-writing and harmonies on into the total > > setting of a mood, evoking a mood that you could call "confronting" > > "threatening" "sinister"--the recognition of a new world out there she hadn't > > seemed completely to bring into the music before. The easiest word for it > > would be BLACK. > > My immediate thought is, and *why* is that? > What strikes me is that the language of this post lays bare > (perhaps inadvertently) the social constructs which affect how we hear, > and how Joni created, The Jungle Line. As this post clearly states, > American/European culture, including The Jungle Line, equates > Africa/"BLACK"ness with "confronting," "threatening," and "sinister" -- > otherness. This kind of symbolism is ingrained in our culture and > reinforced in a lot of ways (remember also the prevalence of "white-good; > dark/black-evil" metaphors in our texts -- e.g., Conrad's "Heart of > Darkness"), and it's racist. I have a real problem with how Joni > participates in, or plays into, this racist construction (as well as that > problem with her appropriating field recordings I described recently; the > two problems are not unrelated, I think). David Lahm is quite right: she > surrounds those (appropriated) Burundi drums with a synthesizer line which > practically begs to be heard as "sinister" and "weird." > From certain lyrics, I'd like to think that on DJRD she was more > aware of this cultural mechanism, and questions it. > Any thoughts? > > > Pardon me if I have the order of albums mixed up... > > You don't. > > Take care, > > --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:13:40 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: TAMING THE TIGER Taming The Tiger 1. Love Puts On A New Face (9) Harlem In Havana (9) Face Lift (4) Man From Mars (4) Lead Balloon (4) Taming The Tiger (3) Tiger Bones (3) Stay In Touch (3) My Best To You (2) No Apologies (2) The Crazy Cries Of Love All songs were picked... 2. Lead Balloon (13) No Apologies (6) Taming The Tiger (3) Man From Mars (2) Love Puts On A New Face (2) Face Lift (2) Nobody Picked: Harlem In Havana Tiger Bones Stay In Touch My Best To You The Crazy Cries Of Love And remember, these figures are for entertainment purposes only...as always, NO WAGERING!! (with a little tip of the hat to Dave Letterman) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 13:10:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Rabbit Ears (NJC) E.T. asked: > I'm just wondering, Craig & Kakki, do you prefer rabbit ears over cable >or a typewriter over a computer? Well, as a matter of fact, sometimes I do! Sometimes the "old-tech" way can be the quickest and simplest depending on the task. Reminds me of the time I sent my gourmet cook French grandmother a pasta machine when she was 90 to make her life easier. I never heard a word back from her. When I finally visited her and asked about it, she turned up her nose in a frown and proceeded to show me her "by-hand" method that took about a 10th of the time as the pasta machine and with nicer result! Kakki, in frigid L.A. where it SNOWED this morning - the Apocalypse must be coming to Babylon soon! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:24:59 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Most/Least: TAMING THE TIGER > And remember, these figures are for entertainment purposes only...as > always, NO WAGERING!! (with a little tip of the hat to Dave Letterman) Thanks for the tip, Bob. I almost blew my whole paycheck on "Lead Balloon"..... And three cheers to you for tallying up the results!!! RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:36:29 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: needle exchange Kakki wrote: > Good luck in your needle search. I need a new one, too, if anyone > (Jim L.) has any good suggestions. > Needle exchange is a controversial issue these days. Just replace the whole cartridge on your turntable. There are 3 types. The ceramic cartridge is the crudest, and hopefully you are not using that, as it will ream your grooves. Probably you have a magnetic cartridge. There's the old kind, which you can identify because it's held on the arm with a couple of screws, then there's the newer "P-mount" kind that slips right on without screws. I think any reputable stereo store or chain should have them. A reasonably good one can be had for $25 or so. Radio Shack, too, maybe as a last resort. Also, J&R Music World has them. http://www.jandr.com you can call their customer service, have your make & model info for your turntable ready. Don't toss that vinyl! Thank goddess for CD's, but keep those old Sons records going too! Best, RR and happy birthday to Billie Holiday who just didn't seem like an Aries ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:40:00 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Most/Least: TAMING THE TIGER Randy replies: <> "...and 18 bucks went up in smoke..." :~D <> No sweat, happy to do it - and there WERE some surprises I thought...I must confess though I'm glad I'm done posting the results!! ;~) Bob NP: The Doobie Brothers, "Eyes of Silver" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:00:44 -0700 From: "Davina Greenstein" Subject: Re: needle exchange Kakki wrote: > Good luck in your needle search. I need a new one, too, if anyone > (Jim L.) has any good suggestions. The Shack does carry them, Frys Electronics also carries a few, we actually picked up an Ortofon cartridge from a local dealer Kakki in the Valley that works out of his home. There's also quite a few DJ dealers that sell over the net too. What I need is a record washer to restore some of my old vinyl, does anyone have any leads on where I can find one? Davina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:12:09 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: The Video Has Arrived (JC) In a message dated 4/7/99 1:48:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KBarnicle@ENSR.com writes: > 's here, it's here! I just received my Painting with Words and Music Got mine on Monday while my kids were making a goofy home movie, so they got my husband and me watching it with a little commentary from my daughter about how her mom is a "Joni Mitchell nut"! We were stunned by the beauty of it all. What a band! What a class-act performance! I'm still in awe. Graham Nash's little appearance was charming. Graham Nash....still dashing after all these years...siiiiiiigh. Gina NP: news babble on npr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:56:29 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Most/Least: TAMING THE TIGER In a message dated 4/7/99 4:44:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << No sweat, happy to do it - and there WERE some surprises I thought...I must confess though I'm glad I'm done posting the results!! ;~) >> Bob, I'd like to thank you as well, for all the hard work put into this project. I must say, they were a lot of fun to read! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 14:47:52 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re:recordwashing Davina Greenstein wrote: > What I need is a record washer to restore some of my old > vinyl, does anyone have any leads on where I can find one? The good old Discwasher D4+ system works well, is used by radio stations, costs about $20. The aforementioned J&R has it (or used to), also Bags Unlimited (716) 436-9006 caters to vinyphiles with protective sleeves, mailers, inner sleeves, etc. For the truly fanatical, there is the Nitty Gritty record cleaning machine, which will scrub and vaccuum your records. 5 models from $269 http://www.nittygrittyinc.com (909) 625-5525. If your records are really grungy, you can wash them your- self. I've done this with lots of records when I was DJing. In a clean bowl, add a few drops of liquid soap-not detergent- to some lukewarm-not hot!-water. For a scrubber, a new,CLEAN piece of fine grained foam rubber, velvet also works. Handling your records by the edge, scrub with the direction of the grooves, not across them. Try not to get too much soapy water on the label. Rinse thoroughly under the tap before the soap dries, again, lukewarm water, not hot!! Drip dry for a few minutes in the dishdrainer, finish drying with paper towel to avoid water spots. Never put your records in the dishwasher ;) Spin and enjoy. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:33:47 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Dylan & Simon Tour Dates Here's the tour dates/venues for the Bob Dylan/Paul Simon tour. June 6, Colorado Springs, Colo., World Arena June 7, Denver, Colo., McNichols Arena June 9, Salt Lake City, Utah, Delta Center June 11, Vancouver, British Columbia, GM Place June 12, Portland, Ore., Rose Garden June 13, George, Wash., The Gorge June 16, Sacramento, Calif., Arco Arena June 18, Concord, Calif., Concord Pavillion June 19, Mountain View, Calif., Shoreline Amphitheatre June 20, Anaheim, Calif., Arrowhead Pond June 22, Los Angeles, Hollywood Bowl June 25, San Diego, Coors Amphitheatre June 26, Las Vegas, T.B.A. June 27, Phoenix, Ariz., Desert Sky Pavillion July 2, Minneapolis, Minn., Canterbury Downs July 3, Duluth, Minn., Bayside Park July 4, Milwaukee, Wis., Marcus Amphitheatre July 7, Detroit, Mich., Pine Knob July 9, Chicago, Ill., The World July 10, St. Louis, Mo., Riverport Amphitheatre July 11, Cincinnati, River Bend July 14, Raleigh, N.C., Walnut Creek July 16, Washington, D.C., Nissan Pavillion July 17, Philadelphia, E. Center July 18, Pittsburgh, Starlake Amphitheatre July 22-23, Mansfield, Mass., Tweeter PAC July 24, Hartford, Conn., Meadows Music Theatre July 27, New York, Madison Square Garden July 28, Holmdel, N.J., PNC Bank Center July 30-31, Wantagh, N.Y., Jones Beach Amphitheatre Tickets go on sale April 10. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:42:10 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: The Jungle Line (was Re: Faves/Least faves) Hi, Winfried, thanks for writing. > I think, given Joni's outspoken admiration for "black" music, calling her > perspective "racist" is probably a bit too strong. That's true. I don't mean that Joni had consciously "racist" intentions, just that I think it's appropriate to apply the term "racist" to works like The Jungle Line to mean that they reflect the racism of the society in which they were produced. (Yes, by this definition, a *lot* of things are racist, including a lot of things that I like. We live in a racist society.) > > Cultural differences between Europe and Africa are undeniable, and > there definitely are differences in mentalities as well. [snip] > > Nevertheless, I don't think portraying something as alien is racist in > itself. I agree that it's not racist to acknowledge or portray differences between cultures, but I also think "alien" can also imply this "Otherness" - -- which implies exclusion, marginalization, "us/them" oppositions -- recognizing the difference, but not the value or acceptable-ness of that difference; only its "weird," "sinister," "threatening" qualities. I think it also needs to be pointed out that a crucial element of racism is power. With the spread of capitalist American/European culture around the world, the American/European media controls the way other cultures are portrayed (and the perpetuation of stereotypes) not only in America and Europe but on an international scale in a way that other cultures in our multicultural society do not. Respectfully submitted - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:23:10 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Intro :) ...long but informative..... In a message dated 4/7/1999 2:49:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: << It is really very kind of you to share so much with the people on the list. I wonder if it would be easier for you to maybe try to get your stuff into one of the JMDL tape trees, though. Then the branch people could help with the recording and shipping, etc. I hope it all doesn't become a big burden to you. >> Could someone please share with me how I can send me Joni items to the Tape tree or CD , video tree, whatever......I want to share all my Joni items too since I know I will be making requests for all of the things I don't have...let me know and thanks! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:36:56 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: CD Recorder (NJC) In a message dated 4/7/99 4:04:27 AM, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk wrote: >I have opnly had one cd recorder-a Hewlett Packard that is attached to my pc That's a different animal altogether. The Philips that Catgirl refers to is a standalone audio-only CD recorder; it doesn't record computer data, only audio, but it doesn't need to be hooked up to a PC (in fact, can't be), and is much easier to use than burning audio CDs with a computer/CD rig. You do lose some capabilities to edit within a track, no EQ or other mastering adjustments, etc. But the professional models can do fades, record on rewritables (so can some of the "consumer" audio-CD recorders), have automatic Sample Rate Conversion (which can be a bear on a computer/CD burner rig) which can be disabled if recording from a 44.1 source, and a few other useful features. The hookup is as easy as running an RCA cable from your source machine to the CD recorder, pop in a blank, and record -- if doing a digital to digital transfer you don't have to set levels or anything. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 16:55:26 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: NJC: jane/rufus news worth noting From: barbearuh thought this might be of interest to some of youss - this hot off the jane list: Found this today on JamMusic via the Ottawa Sun... http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/apr7_ashley.html MacIsaac joins AIDS benefit line-up Cape Breton fiddler Ashley MacIsaac will join an array of Canadian talent for The Stage for AIDS at the National Arts Centre on May 29. The AIDS Committee of Ottawa's fourth annual fundraising performing arts benefit moves into the NAC Opera to accommodate both the increased following and growing need for this annual event. Along with MacIssac, musicians Jane Siberry and Rufus Wainwright have been confirmed to play The Stage for AIDS. The full lineup will be announced April 14. Tickets for the show range from $25-$75 and are available only through the AIDS Committee of Ottawa by calling 238-5014 or 238-2124. -- Ottawa Sun ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:02:25 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: CD Recorder (NJC) In a message dated 4/7/1999 3:49:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, FredNow@aol.com writes: << There are standalone audio CD recorders made for the music biz professional market which bypass the SCMS code and can use cheap CD blanks, and have other useful features built in, but they are about twice as expensive as the "consumer" models. -Fred >>Well Fred, I got the professional series...it will record on any Cd including those nice cheap ones where the only difference is the price! Catgirl...waiting for the postman...should be in by Fri....fingers crossed! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:00:13 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: CD Recorder (NJC) In a message dated 4/7/1999 6:52:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FredNow@aol.com writes: << The hookup is as easy as running an RCA cable from your source machine to the CD recorder, pop in a blank, and record -- if doing a digital to digital transfer you don't have to set levels or anything. Fred >> Good point Fred! That is a very nice feature! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:08:23 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: XTC (With Added JC) In a message dated 4/7/1999 1:19:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << To me XTC's "Apple Venus Vol. 1" stands out in the 1999 musical landscape for several reasons: >> Well Bob, It looks like I will be buying the new XTC album. I heard it was good but you sealed it for me! Cat.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:18:50 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: The Video Has Arrived (JC) In a message dated 4/7/1999 5:25:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << Got mine on Monday while my kids were making a goofy home movie, so they got my husband and me watching it with a little commentary from my daughter about how her mom is a "Joni Mitchell nut"! We were stunned by the beauty of it all. What a band! What a class-act performance! I'm still in awe. Graham Nash's little appearance was charming. Graham Nash....still dashing after all these years...siiiiiiigh. Gina >> I saw the concert on Pay-per -view on November 6,98 and had a Joni Mitchell party since her birthday was the folowing day! I made a copy of it and thought about recording the show on a tape to listen to ..The show was incredible! BTW, didn't anybody else pay to have it broadcasted? I was floored when I heard it was coming on. I had to rent the box from the cable company and everything but it was for a great cause! Loved all the comfy couches. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:20:28 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Most/Least: TAMING THE TIGER In a message dated 4/7/1999 5:30:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << Bob, I'd like to thank you as well, for all the hard work put into this project. I must say, they were a lot of fun to read! Terry >> I agree too! Thanks Bob. I found it amazing thought that out of the over 600 people who are on this list less then 25 offered info...Come on people where are all of you? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:31:34 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: NJC- turntable accessories From: MP123A321@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:22:49 EDT To all the vinyl junkies: Here is the name of a company that sells mail order needles,cartridges, and belts for turntables....http://needleexpress.com or 1-800-358-2030....(they always advertize in Goldmine mag.) I bought a cartridge from them last year and they mailed it promptly, no problems. FYI,Maurice(prefer vinyl and have too many cds) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:15:38 -0700 From: "raymond" Subject: Hejira Can someone tell me the proper way to pronounce "Hejira"? Cathy NP - Tea for the Tillerman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:48:32 -0700 From: "Travis Moser" Subject: Re: Jungle Line - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Deb Messling Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 10:31 AM Subject: Jungle Line > > Deb commented: > > < Line.">> > > Deb, > Speaking as someone who put it as a "least favorite", I'll clarify by saying > that I don't dislike it at all! I think it's just kind of a misfit on the album, > whether it's the Burundi drummers or the lyrical content or just the overall > sound of it, it stands apart from the other pop/jazz/airy songs dealing mostly > with the dark side of suburbia. Well Bob, I have to say I disagree. I think 'The Jungle Line' fits quite well into the overall concept of HOSL and if Joni ever recorded a 'concept' album, I think this is it. I wrote a post some time ago about the thread of primitivism lurking right underneath the surface of so-called civilized society that runs through this album. 'The Jungle Line' is the most blatant expression of this on the record. It insinuates itself 'through i-bars & girders through wires & pipes/the mathematic circuits of the modern nights' and later Edith hears it as 'the wires in walls are humming/some song, some mysterious song'. The song also deals with drugs which also snare the Kingpin's victims as 'he tilts their tired faces/gently to the spoon.' 'The Jungle Line' sets up the theme of something threatening that lies uncomfortably close to the surface in everyday life on any street in any town. I don't think there was any racist comment intended or any equating of the Burundi drummers with Primitivism or darkness or evil. I also don't think that 'threatening' or 'primitive' necessarily means 'bad'. The sound of those rumbling drums just happened to fit the mood & tone of the song. IThey help to give the song an exotic feel which is appropriate to the setting. Does exotic equate with racist? I'm not trying to be glib, I'm honestly asking the question. My take. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:01:26 -0700 From: "Travis Moser" Subject: Re: PWWAM video - questions/observations Bob wrote about Hejira: > It's been my favorite forever, way before she said it was hers, and I think > everyone else would say the same. Hold on there, Bob my friend. It's not everyone's favorite. I love Hejira and I will say that in terms of being beautifully crafted and certainly one of Joni's most integral works it ranks right up there with all the great classic pop albums (or whatever you want to call it). But I think some of her other records are much more interesting and more daring musically. I've always been one of the few on this list that doesn't cite Hejira as the crowning acheivement of Joni's career. Compared to say, Turbulent Indigo, I find it a little on the bland side. Heresy! Burn the Heretic! Mark in Seattle ps: Thanks Randy Remote for mentioning Billie's birthday. I was pretty sure it was today but hadn't looked it up yet. She would be 84 if she were alive today. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:40:41 -0500 From: "Jeffery W. Osborne" Subject: CD recorder info Greetings Friends, FredNow writes: < The hookup is as easy as running an RCA cable from your < source machine to the CD recorder, pop in a blank, and record -- if doing a < digital to digital transfer you don't have to set levels or anything. Fred, thanks for the good technical details on the SCMS code and such! It should be noted that if a stand-alone recorder has an analog input, it is subject to suffering from impedance mis-matches and susceptible to radio frequency noise interference through the hookup cable. An RCA cable does not transfer digital data, but analog. If the source and recorder are connected with an optical cable, or other digital means, then it would create a very good copy. With a CD recorder in your computer, you can extract audio to your hard drive digitally, which in theory does not vary at all from the original CD, << IF >> a CD is your original source. Then, because the CD-ROM recorder's input is also digital, you do not go through any analog cables OR circuitry, resulting in a real duplicate of the original! If your source is vinyl or cassette or videotape or live program audio, then either system is as good as the other with regard to audio quality. Wally Kairuz writes: < my computer cd recorder will add an < annoying 2-second pause between tracks when i'm trying to record opera < [opera cd's have tracks but no silence in between the tracks]. Catman was right about the Adaptec EZ-CD Creator software - it allows for setting tracks together with no 2 second spacing. I included some cuts from Danny Elfman's The Nightmare Before Christmas on my first DCD mix, and it has songs that blend into each other. Came out great! That software came bundled with both the Sony and Mitsumi drives I purchased. It has tools to create and print cool CD jewel case liners, too. I use Word-97 to make mine, though. Better graphics control. Best Buy sells a deluxe version of that same Adaptec software for about $50. Wally, you might search the software your using to see if there isn't a switch or option buried in a menu somewhere to let you avoid the gap. Hey, thanks Wally, for appointing Catgirl as the JMDL Mother Teresa - touching sentiment :-) I pay about $1.40 for Verbatim brand blank CDs at Sam's Club ($27.95 for 20 in jewel cases). I have found that the stupid, expensive re-writable CDs will only play back in the recorder it was made in (in audio mode). For computer data, re-writables can be read by any computer CD-ROM drive. Hi Alison! Eric - quit smoking! Bob, merci for the lists - good work. Debra, can I send you some flower pictures? Who here loves Brack? Here is a gift for you all: Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, and life to everything. - - Plato Happy trails! Jeffo - - can't dance - ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #148 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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