From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #146 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 146 Joni the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Twisted... (...Joni fans) [Ben Weiner ] alcohol/Aboriginal people [evian ] Re: Intro :) ...long but informative..... [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Faves/Least faves [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Crazy Cries of Love [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Just A False Alarm? [Jerry Notaro ] Some more Mosts/Leasts ["Don Rowe" ] Most/Least Results, STAS [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Most/Least Results, CLOUDS [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Most/Least, LOTC [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Most/Least, BLUE [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Tally Ho [Michael Paz ] most and least favorites, a venture into the fray [Bounced Message ] Re: Another most/least...and hi (SJC) [David Wright ] RE: most/least ["Wally Kairuz" ] Most/Least: CHALK MARK IN A RAIN STORM [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Most/Least, FOR THE ROSES [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Billie Holiday [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re[2]: most/least [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] CD Recorder [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Tom Dean Website ["Peter Holmstedt" ] RE: CD Recorder ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Most/Least: DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Fwd: Most/Least: DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Man From Mars [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Man From Mars [CaTGirl627@aol.com] FYI---Joni Mitchell [CaTGirl627@aol.com] NJC: Dylan and Paul Simon ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Blue ["P. Henry" ] Joel Frahm [Leslie Mixon ] XTC (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Faves/Least faves ["Deb Messling" ] Re: XTC (NJC) [Scott and Jody ] Joni Sighting [Bounced Message ] altered destiny ["raymond" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:02:59 -0400 From: Ben Weiner Subject: Twisted... (...Joni fans) I have so far been an innocent bystander to the most/least favorite banter. I can't take it anymore. I've read countless posts from people listing 'Twisted' as one of their least favorites from C&S. The first time I heard the song, I was driving on an empty highway between Columbus, OH and Cleveland. I had been listening to C&S for the first time, and then all of a sudden I got to this song. It made me laugh aloud. No, it's not quite deep like the other songs on the album, but it was a great change of pace. I understand that gung-ho "Joni saves my soul" fans despise the song to a point, but you must listen to the song as it is offered and enjoy it for what it's worth. It shows how creative and dynamic she can be. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 01:42:52 -0600 From: evian Subject: alcohol/Aboriginal people > Today I was singing PP all afternoon while painting a garage door. > Suddenly the line: "But when the church got though they traded their beads > for bottles smashed on Railway Avenue" finally sunk in. Is she intimating > that Christians drove Native Americans to drink? > Actually, this is the reality of what happened with the Church and Aboriginal people in Canada. When Europeans came to Canada, and stayed because of the lucrative Fur Trade, they introduced alcohol to the Indigenous population. The Aboriginal people, because of their superlative trapping skills, as well as their knowledge of the harsh Canadian terrain, were in much demand during the Fur Trade. Thus, alcohol became a great bartering tool, and it became a currency of the trade. However, because alcohol quickly ruined many communities, the British tried to limit the liquor trade, but because the trade of alcohol was so profitable to the settlers/traders, alcohol remained a currency. Once the Fur Trade began to decline, Aboriginal people had no power in barter for alcohol, and thus the trading of beadwork became one mode of trade for Aboriginal people. This is a far too brief history of the Fur Trade, but you get the picture. The Aboriginal Canadian Poet, Jeannette Armstrong, sums it up in her poem "History Lesson": Out of the belly of Christopher's ship a mob bursts Running in all directions Pulling furs off animals Shooting buffalo Shooting each other left and right Father mean well waves his makeshift wand forgives saucer-eyed Indians Red coated knights gallop across the prairie to get their men and to build a new world Pioneers and traders bring gifts Smallpox, Seagrams and rice crispies Civilization has reached the promised land Between the snap crackle pop of smoke stacks and multicolored rivers swelling with flower powered zee and farmers sowing skull and bones and miners pulling from gaping holes green paper faces of a smiling English lady Hope this helps, Evian, who also has a degree in Native Studies ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:45:24 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Intro :) ...long but informative..... In a message dated 4/6/99 1:41:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes, partially: > Greetings Joni friends, > My name is Debi but I go as Catgirl...I have 7 wonderful kitties..hence the > name. Joni Mitchell has been my favorite musician since I was 12, I am now > 35. Hi Debi, Catgirl! Nice to read your recent contributions to the list. Your enthusiasm and willingness to share it is just great! Welcome. I'll respond personally to your email about the bootlegs soon's I can. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:21:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Faves/Least faves Ricky dives in with: <> Welcome Ricky! Boy, it's great to have so many new voices here! (Jimmy, I wonder if they're folks you found at the other list?) And I can take a hint or three...I'll start posting the results today, of course, if you still want to declare your selections I'll be glad to throw them in... Bob NP: Heart, "Crazy On You" (They turned pretty cheesy but man this debut record was awesome) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:41:14 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Crazy Cries of Love evian wrote: > > np: TTT --- yep, "Lead Balloon" woulda sounded great on the radio! I always thought so, too. It would have jumped right out of those speakers the way Help Me did 25 years ago. Jerry np: Christine Lavin - Live at the Cactus Cafe (What Was I thinking? The Dance Mix) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:52:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Just A False Alarm? Kakki wrote: > I wrote: > >Van in a concert in Golden Gate park in San Francisco on June 4th > > It's Saturday June 5th. Van is also going to be in Chicago June 12th. Any > Van listers out there with any other dates? According to "Van's Diary" he > is touring Europe the next couple months and also this summer. > > Steve tells me that the scalper newsletter is representing that Joni and Van > are appearing together. While scanning the newspaper this morning I saw a piece with joni and Van's name in bold print linked together. I leapt up and shouted "It's true!" The headline was than Dylan and Paul Simon were touring together this summer so I assumed that they were mentioning that Joni and Van were also. Unfortunately the two names were in the article just because they had toured with Bob last year. Sheesh. We already knew that. Give us some REAL Joni news. Jerry np: The Best of Rachmaninoff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 07:22:48 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Some more Mosts/Leasts Okay, for those albums that I have strong enough opinions about ... here goes. SONG TO A SEAGULL Most: I Had a King Least: Pirates of Penance CLOUDS Most: Chelsea Morning Least: Both Sides Now (in the same sort of way that I just can't listen to "Hotel California", "Stairway to Heaven" or "Sweet Home Alabama" much anymore ... sorry) LADIES OF THE CANYON Most: For Free Least: Blue Boy FOR THE ROSES Most: Let the Wind Carry Me Least: Blonde in the Bleachers COURT AND SPARK Most: Free Man in Paris Least: Help Me (am I the only person on the list who just can't get around the similarities to "Midnight at the Oasis"???) THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS Most: Harry's House/Centerpiece, In France They Kiss on Mainstreet Least: The Jungle Line HEJIRA Most: Furry Sings the Blues Least: none DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER Most: Paprika Plains, Silky Veils of Ardor Least: The Tenth World WILD THINGS RUN FAST Most: Chinese Cafe Least: none DOG EAT DOG Most: The Three Great Stimulants/Tax Free Least: none CHALK MARK IN A RAINSTORM Most: My Secret Place/Snakes and Ladders Least: Number One NIGHT RIDE HOME Most: Come In From the Cold, Nothing Can Be Done Least: The Windfall TURBULENT INDIGO Most: Last Chance Lost, The Magdalene Laundries Least: Not to Blame TAMING THE TIGER Most: LEAD BALLOON/Man From Mars Least: No Apologies Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:47:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least Results, STAS OK folks, here are the results of the most/least favorite lists. (Price/Waterhouse has just now returned with the hermetically sealed envelopes ;~)) Don/Ashara/Ricky, your picks are included... To make the data a little easier to digest, I'll submit one album at a time. I'm not including Hits or Misses since they weren't included on the original list. Song titles posted in order with number of votes in parentheses. No number indicates that it only received 1 vote. Song To A Seagull: Cactus Tree (8) Night In The City (6) I Had A King (6) Sistowbell Lane (3) Song To A Seagull (2) The Dawntreader Michael From Mountains Marcie The Pirate of Penance Nathan La Franeer The Pirate of Penance (14) The Dawntreader (2) Marcie (2) Nathan La Franeer (2) I Had A King Michael From Mountains Song To A Seagull ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:02:56 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least Results, CLOUDS CLOUDS 1. That Song About The Midway (9) Chelsea Morning (7) I Don't Know Where I Stand (5) Both Sides, Now (5) The Gallery (4) Tin Angel (2) Songs To Aging Children Come I Think I Understand The Fiddle & The Drum Nobody picked: Roses Blue 2. The Fiddle & The Drum (11) Roses Blue (5) Songs To Aging Children Come (5) I Think I Understand (2) Both Sides, Now (2) Tin Angel That Song About The Midway Nobody picked: Chelsea Morning I Don't Know Where I Stand The Gallery ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:13:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least, LOTC Ladies of The Canyon 1. Rainy Night House (10) For Free (7) Conversation (7) The Circle Game (3) Morning Morgantown (2) Willy (2) Woodstock (2) Ladies Of The Canyon (2) Big Yellow Taxi Nobody picked: The Arrangement The Priest Blue Boy 2. Blue Boy (8) The Circle Game (4) The Arrangement (3) Ladies of The Canyon (3) Morning Morgantown Big Yellow Taxi Willy Woodstock The Priest Conversation Nobody picked: Rainy Night House For Free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:20:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least, BLUE BLUE 1. A Case Of You (9) River (6) All I Want (3) This Flight Tonight (3) The Last Time I Saw Richard (3) California (2) Carey (2) Blue My Old Man Nobody Picked: Little Green 2. My Old Man (6) The Last Time I Saw Richard (3) River (2) Carey (2) Little Green This Flight Tonight Nobody Picked: A Case of You All I Want California Blue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:43:06 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Tally Ho Hello all- Well I finally got around to spending the time on this survey. I can't wait to the tally. JONI MITCHELL-SONG TO A SEAGULL Most: Michael From Mountains (cause it's the first song I heard AND great name lol) Least: Pirates of Penance CLOUDS Most: That Song about the Midway Least:None LADIES OF THE CANYON Most: Conversation/Rainy Night house Least:None BLUE Most:California Least:None FOR THE ROSES Most:Let The Wind Carry Me/See You Sometime/Electricity Least:None COURT AND SPARK Most:Same Situation/Down To You Least:None MILES OF AISLES MOST: Real Good For Free LEAST: Love or Money THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS Most:Shades of Scarlett Conquering Least:none HEJIRA Most: Song For Sharon/Amelia/Refuge of the Roads Least:None DON JUANS RECKLESS DAUGHTER Most: Cotton Avenue/Talk to Me Least Otis and Marlena MINGUS Most: Goodbye Porkpie Hat Least: None SHADOWS AND LIGHT Most: Amelia/Pat's Solo (possibly the greatest guitar solo of ALL time)/Hejira Least:none WILD THINGS RUN FAST Most: Chinese Cafe Least: none DOG EAT DOG Most:Ethiopia Least: Tax Free CHALK MARK IN A RAINSTORM Most: My Secret Place/Number One/Lakota Least: Dancin' Clown NIGHT RIDE HOME Most: Two Grey Rooms/Cherokee Louise Least: None TURBULENT INDIGO Most:The Magdalene Laundries Least:none TAMING THE TIGER Most:Love Puts On A New Face/Stay In Touch Least: No Apologies Best wishes to all, Michael Paz NP-Only The Strange Remain-The Other Ones (You Dead-People will probably love this record) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:57:36 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: most and least favorites, a venture into the fray From: Jason Wood Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:50:01 -0400 Having spent the better part of a year lurking about this network, I've finally decided to enter into a thread, namely the ever-popular, extremely fascinating favorites discussion: so in turn -- STAS: most: Cactus Tree least: Marcie Clouds: most: Tin Angel least: Both Sides, Now LOTC: most: Rainy Night House least: Blue Boy Blue: most: Last Time I Saw Richard least: Little Green FTR: most: Judgement of the Moon . . . least: Banquet C&S: most: The Same Situation least: Help Me MOA: most: Rainy Night House least: The Circle Game HOSL: most: Sweet Bird (fluctuates daily -- this has been in constant play at home the past week) least: Edith and the Kingpin Hejira: most: Amelia least: would have to be Coyote, but that doesn't seem quite right, does it. . . DJRD: most: DJRD least: 10th World Mingus: most: Wolf that Lives. . . least: Sweet Sucker Dance S&L most: Hejira least: God Must Be. . .=20 WTRF: I can tolerate Chinese Cafe, somedays I may get a craving for Underneath the Streetlight, but for the most part this album seems unlistenable DED: most: Shiny Toys least: Lucky Girl CMIARS: most: Tea Leaf Prophecy least: Lakota NRH: most: Two Grey Rooms least: Ray's Dad's . . . TI: most: Sire of Sorrow least: Yvette TTT: most: Love puts on a New Face least: Lead Balloon (as horrid as anything on WTRF) Of course this all change with my moods. And that being that and that being done, a bit about myself: I'm 23, live in Boston with my boyfriend and our ever-charming cat, Buzzard. I'm a sometimes poet. My first Joni was NRH - read a review in Entertainment Weekly and was sold -- and I've been an addict ever since. I also listen to Emmylou Harris, the Cocteau Twins, am really getting into Cassandra Wilson's new album. I'm re-reading Heart of Darkness these days, loving Jorie Graham's poetry every day (anyone else familiar with her? would love to chat about her work), living. . . It all sounds kinda boring. Anyone wanna know anything? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:34:52 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: most and least favorites, a venture into the fray Jason breaks his silence saying: <> Thanks, Jason, see - that didn't hurt a bit now, did it? :~) Welcome, a year late...now that you've broken the ice, you've got a river you can skate on... Bob PS-your picks will show up in the results from FTR on... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:44:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least, FOR THE ROSES For The Roses 1. Woman of Heart & Mind (10) Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire (7) Electricity (6) Banquet (3) For The Roses (3) Judgement of the Moon & Stars (Ludwig's Tune) (3) See You Sometime (2) Barangrill (2) You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio (2) Let The Wind Carry Me (2) Nobody Picked: Lesson In Survival Blonde In the Bleachers 2. Banquet (6) Blonde In the Bleachers (4) See You Sometime (3) Judgement of the Moon & Stars (Ludwig's Tune) (2) You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio (2) Barangrill (2) Lesson In Survival Let The Wind Carry Me Nobody Picked: Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire For the Roses Electricity Woman of Heart & Mind ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:00:35 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Billie Holiday > Bounced Message wrote: > > > Now, what about Lady Day? Clearly JM is a major fan of Holiday but when I > > look through the shelves in the record shop I am totally bamboozled by the > > number of different compilations, the different bands she recorded with and > > so on. Is early better than late? Is there good Billie and bad Billie? > > Where to begin? > > Wonderful post on Billie Holiday from Mark in Seattle. My favorite-though I am by no means an expert on all her work- is her Commodore Records period. I picked up a nice 2CD set with booklet (20 bucks list) that has every recording she did on that label. It has multiple takes of each song, which may be overkill for some. Atlantic used to have a good compilation of this material-check the used vinyl stores-titled "Strange Fruit". Another interesting Billie release I got recently was called "V Discs", put out by Collectors Choice. During WWII there was a moratorium on recording, to save resources for the war effort, with the exception of "V discs", made especially for the armed forces. This is a fairly short set, but has some cool stuff on it, including a Holiday-Louis Armstrong duet. RR "Some men like me 'cause I'm happy, some 'cause I'm snappy some call me honey, others think I've got money some say 'Billie, baby you was built for speed' you put it all together, makes me everything a good man needs" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:58:11 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Another most/least...and hi (SJC) Eric Taylor wrote: > > Today I was singing PP all afternoon while painting a garage door. > Suddenly the line: "But when the church got though they traded their beads > for bottles smashed on Railway Avenue" finally sunk in. Is she intimating > that Christians drove Native Americans to drink? Yes, I believe that this is a historically established fact (right?) -- that the white colonists ("the suntan slaves") introduced alcohol to the Native Americans, to devastating effect. It makes sense, as I think I read that this is also what happened to the Sami (formerly called the Lapps -- a derogatory term), the native people of northern Scandanavia. And it's not unlike, more recently, the CIA's introducing crack and other drugs to inner-city black communities. Lines like this are why I think DJRD is Joni's most political album (even more than HOSL), and also her most ambitious, and also my favorite. I think that she touches briefly (because there's *so* much content in these songs), but in a way that resonates through the entire album, on the most subtle issues of race and power in our society -- "as we siphon the colored language off the farms and the streets...." - --David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:15:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least COURT & SPARK Whew! I'm gonna be seeing hash marks in my sleep tonight...8~) COURT & SPARK 1. The Same Situation (10) Down To You (6) Help Me (5) Just Like This Train (4) Free Man In Paris (3) People's Parties (2) Car On A Hill (2) Trouble Child Court & Spark Raised on Robbery Nobody Picked: Twisted 2. Twisted (9) Just Like This Train (5) Help Me (4) Raised on Robbery (3) Car On A Hill Trouble Child Nobody Picked: The Same Situation Down To You Free Man in Paris People's Parties Court & Spark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:29:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: MILES OF AISLES Miles of Aisles 1. Love or Money (8) Rainy Night House (3) Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire (2) Real Good For Free (2) Jericho (2) Blue You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio All I Want Woman of Heart & Mind Nobody picked: Big Yellow Taxi Woodstock Cactus Tree A Case of You The Circle Game People's Parties Both Sides, Now Carey The Last Time I Saw Richard 2. Carey (9) Love or Money (3) Cactus Tree (2) Both Sides Now You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio Woodstock The Circle Game Nobody picked: Big Yellow Taxi Rainy Night House Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire Woman of Heart & Mind A Case of You Blue People's Parties All I Want Real Good For Free The Last Time I Saw Richard Jericho ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:42:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS Hissing of Summer Lawns 1. Sweet Bird (7) Don't Interrupt the Sorrow (6) Shades of Scarlet Conquering (5) In France They Kiss on Main Street (5) Harry's House/Centerpiece (3) Edith & The Kingpin (2) The Boho Dance Shadows & Light The Jungle Line Nobody Picked: The Hissing of Summer Lawns 2. The Jungle Line (9) The Hissing of Summer Lawns (3) The Boho Dance (3) Edith & The Kingpin (3) Don't Interrupt The Sorrow (2) In France They Kiss On Main Street Shadows & Light Sweet Bird Shades of Scarlet Conquering Nobody Picked: Harry's House/Centerpiece ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:57:14 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: HEJIRA Hejira 1. Amelia (11) Hejira (7) Song For Sharon (6) Refuge of The Roads (6) Coyote (4) Black Crow (2) Furry Sings The Blues (2) Black Crow (2) Strange Boy 2. **Editor's note: Lots of entries, mine included, didn't list a "least favorite" for Hejira, so the numbers are low... Blue Motel Room (5) Strange Boy (4) Furry Sings The Blues (4) Black Crow (3) Coyote (2) Nobody Picked: Amelia Hejira Song For Sharon Refuge of the Roads **Another Editor's note: Is it safe to assume that most of us consider these 4 songs as the "Awesome foursome" from this record?...they were the top 4 selected as "Most", No one selected them as "least". And certainly not intended to take anything away from the others...they're also the most significant to Joni as she still plays them a lot live (along with Black Crow) On to Don Juan... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:20:46 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 1. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (11) Paprika Plains (7) Cotton Avenue (7) The Silky Veils of Ardor (3) Dreamland (3) Jericho (2) Talk To Me (2) Otis & Marlena The Tenth World Off Night Backstreet 2. The Tenth World (12) Otis & Marlena (6) Talk To Me (3) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (2) Paprika Plains Off Night Backstreet Jericho Nobody Picked: Cotton Avenue The Silky Veils of Ardor Dreamland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:36:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: MINGUS Mingus 1. The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey (9) The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines (9) God Must Be A Boogie Man (4) Goodbye Pork Pie Hat (4) Sweet Sucker Dance A Chair In The Sky 2. A Chair In The Sky (5) Sweet Sucker Dance (3) The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey (3) Goodbye Pork Pie Hat God Must Be A Boogie Man The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines **Editor's note: except for "Wolf", these two lists are mirror images of each other, whatever cosmic significance THAT may have... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:46:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: WILD THINGS RUN FAST Wild Things Run Fast 1. Chinese Cafe (14) Moon at the Window (7) Love (3) Underneath the Streetlights (2) You Dream Flat Tires Man To Man Solid Love Nobody Picked: Wild Things Run Fast Ladies' Man Be Cool (You're So Square) Baby I Don't Care 2. (You're So Square) Baby I Don't Care (5) You Dream Flat Tires (4) Man To Man (3) Solid Love (3) Chinese Cafe Love Be Cool Wild Things Run Fast Nobody Picked: Ladies' Man Moon At The Window Underneath the Streetlight ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:47:04 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Intro :) ...long but informative..... In a message dated 4/6/1999 4:43:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << >years ago I wrote to the record company requesting info on >her and they sent me a great promo shot of her (curly hair and all- of course >it is framed over my computer right now) and a bunch of articles on her at >the time. Are any of the articles ones that I do not have up at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles ? If so.. I'd LOVE to have copies! Thanks, Les >> I know one was from the Rolling Stones interview from July 26th, 1979. I am not sure about the others they kinda got lost :( I got the mag from Acoustic Guitar from Aug, 1996- you probably have that too. Rolling Stone 10/29/98 and 3/6/97. I will check my archives for others. Do you have the one from 79? She is on the front cover so I bought two. What a great close up! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:41:02 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: most/least In a message dated 4/6/1999 4:41:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, David.Wright@oberlin.edu writes: << I've thought since the first listen that Man From Mars should have been the first single (though it's definitely not my favorite on the album). Not that I think it would likely have been a hit anyway, but I think it's the most accessible harmonically, melodically, and in its lyrics (so plaintive). To me it has a kind of "film noir" mood in its lush jazziness -- an immediately identifiable profile. It's a bit of a downer, but hey. Is Man from Mars about Larry Klein? I think it is but I am not sure...any thoughts? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:00:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: DOG EAT DOG Dog Eat Dog 1. Ethiopia (8) The Three Great Stimulants (5) Fiction (4) Dog Eat Dog (4) Shiny Toys (3) Impossible Dreamer (3) Good Friends (3) Tax Free (2) Lucky Girl Smokin' (Empty, Try Another) 2. Smokin' (Empty, Try Another) (8) Ethiopia (4) Shiny Toys (4) Tax Free (3) Good Friends (2) Lucky Girl (2) Dog Eat Dog The Three Great Stimulants Nobody picked: Fiction Impossible Dreamer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:04:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Man From Mars Catgirl asks: <> Ironically, Catgirl, it's about her CAT who ran away and showed up again later. There's more details available on the interviews on the Tape Trees... Bob NP: Cheap Trick, "Big Eyes" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:06:17 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: most/least Believe it or not, it's about her cat! CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: Is Man from Mars about Larry Klein? I think it is but I am not sure...any > thoughts? > Catgirl - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:14:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: most/least here's my list. first line is most, second line is least. cheers! stas cactus tree/sisotowbel lane most of the rest clouds chelsea morning/the gallery fiddle and the drum lotc most of it the arrangement blue all of it none ftr all of it except cold blue steel c&s all of it except free man in paris miles of aisles cactus tree woodstock/love or money hissing all of it none hejira ALL OF IT!!! NONE!!! djrd all of it except the tenth world mingus the wolf that lives in lindsay/god must be a boogie man/dry cleaner the rest s&l woodstock most of it wtrf underneath the streetlight/moon at the window love ded all of it except ethiopia/impossible dreamer cmiars secret place/dancin' clown/black wings the rest nrh cherokee louise/slouching the rest ti none of it all of it ttt harlem/lead balloon the rest wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:17:54 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Most/Least: CHALK MARK IN A RAIN STORM Chalk Mark In A Rain Storm 1. Secret Place (8) A Bird That Whistles (6) Beat of Black Wings (5) Cool Water (5) The Reocurring Dream (4) Number One (3) The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms) (3) Lakota (2) Snakes and Ladders (2) Nobody Picked: Dancin' Clown 2. Dancin' Clown (10) Number One (5) The Reocurring Dream (3) Cool Water (2) Snakes & Ladders (2) Lakota (2) Beat of Black Wings Nobody Picked: Secret Place A Bird That Whistles The Tea-Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:08:43 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Most/Least, FOR THE ROSES In a message dated 4/6/1999 1:53:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << Nobody Picked: Lesson In Survival Blonde In the Bleachers >> You know I just LOVE that song Lesson in Survival..it is great! Idid pick FTR but I really love this song as much! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:11:56 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Billie Holiday In a message dated 4/6/1999 2:03:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Now, what about Lady Day? Clearly JM is a major fan of Holiday but when I > > look through the shelves in the record shop I am totally bamboozled by the > > number of different compilations, the different bands she recorded with and > > so on. Is early better than late? Is there good Billie and bad Billie? > > Where to begin? > > >> I picked up Jazz Masters 12 from VERVE of Billie Hoilday...it's got.. Blue moon, Good morning heartche, all or nothing at all to name a few. I like it! Cat.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:33:58 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: most/least Wally, pretty amazing! Your selections included about 6 that nobody else had picked before...so please don't think I'm constantly referring to you when I say "Nobody picked"...LOL!! Bob ftr all of it except **cold blue steel** c&s all of it except **free man in paris** miles of aisles **cactus tree** woodstock/love or money s&l **woodstock** most of it ded all of it except ethiopia/**impossible dreamer** cmiars secret place/**dancin' clown**/black wings the rest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:33:53 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: CD Recorder Greetings Friends, I had to return my PHILLIPS Cd burner because you can only use phillips CD's which are not cheap and I feel unfair. What marketing! Anyway, I ordered a Tascam CD burner and should get by the end of this week. Once things are running I will make a Cd of Just ice. I will need however, a Recorderable CD from whoever wants one and a SASE. Please, BE PATIENT! It will take time to make them but they will be done. After that I will move on to tapes turning into CD! BTW, I have 4 bootleg records.... 1. (Kept On) By her own devices- Starts off with This flight tonight 2.Lennie and Dom songs- Starts off with For Free 3. Joni and James- Starts off with Steam Roller 4. This one is very strange- Pink Floyd live on 3 sides- Raving and Drooling-4th side Joni Mitchell-Live in Austrailia- I think-Starts off with Chealsea Morning This is side 2 of Lennie and Dom songs record. I plan on attempting to make a CD from these records, HOWEVER, if any one has a really clean tape of these and would like a FREE copy on CD, privately e-mail me and we can work this out. YES, I am a Joni freak....and proud of it!! :) ****Been this way for years................. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:34:34 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Tom Dean Website Hi there, Tom Dean ( of Devonsquare-fame ) has a GREAT new website up and running : http://www.tomdeansongs.com where you can find info on upcoming shows, biography, lyrics and pictures from his new album ( including a GREAT picture of mr. Jeff Pevar, who's amazing guitar-playing is all over the album! ), audio clips and order info ( both on the new album plus older Devonsquare CD's). Check it out! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:17:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: CD Recorder catgirl, i hereby appoint you the jmdl mother teresa. :-) wallyk - -----Original Message----- De: CaTGirl627@aol.com Para: joni@smoe.org Fecha: Martes 6 de Abril de 1999 16:04 Asunto: CD Recorder >Greetings Friends, >I had to return my PHILLIPS Cd burner because you can only use phillips CD's >which are not cheap and I feel unfair. What marketing! Anyway, I ordered a >Tascam CD burner and should get by the end of this week. Once things are >running I will make a Cd of Just ice. I will need however, a Recorderable >CD from whoever wants one and a SASE. Please, BE PATIENT! It will take time >to make them but they will be done. After that I will move on to tapes >turning into CD! BTW, I have 4 bootleg records.... >1. (Kept On) By her own devices- Starts off with This flight tonight >2.Lennie and Dom songs- Starts off with For Free >3. Joni and James- Starts off with Steam Roller >4. This one is very strange- Pink Floyd live on 3 sides- Raving and >Drooling-4th side Joni Mitchell-Live in Austrailia- I think-Starts off with >Chealsea Morning >This is side 2 of Lennie and Dom songs record. >I plan on attempting to make a CD from these records, HOWEVER, if any one has >a really clean tape of these and would like a FREE copy on CD, privately >e-mail me and we can work this out. YES, I am a Joni freak....and proud of >it!! :) >****Been this way for years................. >Catgirl > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:47:45 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Most/Least: DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER In a message dated 4/6/1999 4:30:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << 2. The Tenth World (12) Otis & Marlena (6) Talk To Me (3) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (2) Paprika Plains Off Night Backstreet Jericho Nobody Picked: Cotton Avenue The Silky Veils of Ardor Dreamland >>Catgirl or Dumbogirl wrote that paprika plains was my least favorite...well I mistaken that song for The Tenth World..sorry about that! Catgirl..all the drumming in my head! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:48:37 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Most/Least: DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER - --part1_5c0383a7.243be945_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/1999 4:30:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << 1. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (11) Paprika Plains (7) Cotton Avenue (7) The Silky Veils of Ardor (3) Dreamland (3) Jericho (2) Talk To Me (2) Otis & Marlena The Tenth World Off Night Backstreet 2. The Tenth World (12) Otis & Marlena (6) Talk To Me (3) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (2) Off Night Backstreet Jericho Nobody Picked: Cotton Avenue The Silky Veils of Ardor Dreamland >> - --part1_5c0383a7.243be945_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:30:42 -0500Received: from siren.shore.net (siren.shore.net [207.244.124.5]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id QAA17545; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:30:22 -0400 (EDT)Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154]  by siren.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 10UcUH-0000gt-00; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:30:21 -0400Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id QAA24438; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:29:42 -0400 (EDT)Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:29:41 -0400Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id QAA24417 for joni-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:28:40 -0400 (EDT)Received: from [208.246.14.98] ([208.246.14.98]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with SMTP id QAA24412 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:28:37 -0400 (EDT)From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.comReceived: from FD-SMTPGW-NT1 by [208.246.14.98] via smtpd (for smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 20:26:07 UTReceived: from ccMail by fd-smtpgw-nt1.fluordaniel.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 002C1AB4; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:25:43 -0400Mime-Version: 1.0Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:20:46 -0400Message-ID: <002C1AB4.C21383@fluordaniel.com>Subject: Most/Least: DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTERTo: joni@smoe.orgContent-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCIIContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitContent-Description: cc:Mail note partSender: owner-joni@smoe.orgReply-To: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.comPrecedence: bulk Reply-To: To: undisclosed-recipients:; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 1. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (11) Paprika Plains (7) Cotton Avenue (7) The Silky Veils of Ardor (3) Dreamland (3) Jericho (2) Talk To Me (2) Otis & Marlena The Tenth World Off Night Backstreet 2. The Tenth World (12) Otis & Marlena (6) Talk To Me (3) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (2) Paprika Plains Off Night Backstreet Jericho Nobody Picked: Cotton Avenue The Silky Veils of Ardor Dreamland - --part1_5c0383a7.243be945_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:53:50 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Man From Mars In a message dated 4/6/1999 5:05:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << Catgirl asks: <> Ironically, Catgirl, it's about her CAT who ran away and showed up again later. There's more details available on the interviews on the Tape Trees... Bob NP: Cheap Trick, "Big Eyes" >> Wow...very interesting, I did not know that! Catgirl NP: JM, "DJRD" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:56:16 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Man From Mars In a message dated 4/6/1999 5:05:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << Catgirl asks: <> Ironically, Catgirl, it's about her CAT who ran away and showed up again later. There's more details available on the interviews on the Tape Trees... Bob NP: Cheap Trick, "Big Eyes" >> I must say after reading the words from the song...Man from Mars, it does work....I LOVE the song more then ever...I lost a kittie but to the road and it made me cry for a long time! Does anybody know how many cats she has? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:18:34 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: FYI---Joni Mitchell Sorry to be writing so much...I usually do not spend this much time on the computer but this lists makes me happy.... Anyway, Never give up looking for something. I knew their was a book on her and was always trying to find it. It was the one from 1976 called Joni Mitchell, Her life, Her loves, Her music. Well, it is out of print so I figured it would never be a part of my collection. A friend of mine was at the Salvation Army and found this book for me for 50 cents. I was so thrilled. It has tons of pictures in it. When I ever get a scanner I will send them in unless of course some one already has them. I never find any songbooks but that doesn't mean some one is not getting rid of them one day. Part of the fun is the search! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 19:56:50 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: Dylan and Paul Simon Last week USA Today said that Paul Simon is going to join Bobby in Europe this spring (ie NOW) and in the USA this summer. Looks like a fun summer shaping up. Does anyone know if the Lillith Faire is rolling around this year? - -- Read me or deleeeete me but don't try to shut me up, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:11:33 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Blue w evans wrote >Gee, I'm really bummed that nobody had anything to say about comparing the two new kinds of Blue cds out recentlly... thought someone might have heard both the DCC Gold and the HDCD....> wish I could help you out butI was also waiting for aomwonw to respond to you. 24 bucks is a lot to plunk down for a cd that's no better than the one you can get for half that, but, probably like you, I would empty my piggy bank in a heartbeat if I had any reliable indication that there is indeed an improvement. pat NP: blue Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 17:39:28 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Joel Frahm I was listening to non-commercial radio again today, and Joel Frahm, a tenor saxophonist was being interviewed. When asked about the music that influenced his playing, without missing a beat he replied, "...my favorite album of all time is Joni Mitchell's, 'Blue'." His second favorite album is Stevie Wonder's, "Innervisions." The guy's got good taste. Is anyone here familiar with his music or have any of his recordings? Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:57:11 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: XTC (NJC) In a message dated 4/5/99 5:11:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: > Haven't heard the XTC, but I must confess that even after > advocating for Beth here, I am bored bored bored by her > new record. > I like XTC but I haven't followed their work. I've just enjoyed them on the radio for years and years. I've been hearing a nice track from their new one on the radio. Sounds really nice but pretty much the same sort of good thing that they've been putting out for some years now? Am I mistaken? Gina NP: Marcie - STAS (I'm on a Joni roll and a half lately and I *like* Marcie) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:57:18 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Faves/Least faves I realized I messed up on my own faves/least list. For WTRF, my least favorite should be "Ladies Man," not "Man to Man." I don't like either one, but I like "Ladies Men" less. Thanks for the tallies! Still don't understand why so many people don't like "Jungle Line." Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 20:50:17 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: XTC (NJC) Hi Gina- you wrote: > I like XTC but I haven't followed their work. I've just enjoyed them on the > radio for years and years. I've been hearing a nice track from their new one > on the radio. Sounds really nice but pretty much the same sort of good thing > that they've been putting out for some years now? Am I mistaken? > I've been listening to XTC for many years and I must say that I love their new album, Apple Venus Vol I. I'm curious as to what new song you have heard on the radio. I haven't heard any, but I do have an interview tape with Andy Partridge of XTC in Chicago promoting this CD. After a Five year strike with Virgin Records, this is pretty much "the cream" that rises to the top. Andy describes this album as being orcoustic. They hired a 40 piece orchestra for one day. That's all they could afford. They had done all the planning months and months beforehand, then boom, they essentially recorded the entire album in one day at Abby Road Studio I. (adding the vocals later). It's incredible. Gina, you have to listen to the entire album. I'd be more than happy to send you the interview tape and some samples from Apple Venus. That goes for anyone else on the list. Email me privately. jody ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 19:58:51 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni Sighting From: "Happy The Man" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:57:29 -0500 Walked into the living room to send my son off for bath and bed and Joni makes and appearance on "The Wonder Years" with "Circle Game". Gosh, you could just love that show. Okay, it wasn't a sighting, but it was a hearing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:41:37 -0700 From: "raymond" Subject: altered destiny Thanks for sharing that, Don >Did Joni's music alter anyone else's destiny? "For the Roses" was a turning point for me, too, musically. Up to that point, I had only played in Open D, and when that songbook came out with all those tunings, I was off and running and composing, too. I am so grateful to Joni for teaching me to love journalling my life via "Art Songs"...until I was l9, I didn't think I had a musical bone in my body. I still can't read music, but I guess Joni planted a LOVE of words and music in me so deeply that it didn't make any difference...the only rule she taught me to follow was "be free" which I'm very good at! LOL Like Song for Sharon, I just play for my friends & family. It sounds like alot of you out there are professional musicians. How do you feel about what Joni said in the interview Wally just posted about the "Joni tributaries" thing? Cathy NP: CPR - "Morrison" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #146 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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