From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #141 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, April 4 1999 Volume 04 : Number 141 Joni the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII like I won SuperBowl New Orleans! [mann@chicago] most/least [Robert Holliston ] Joni's 80s work [Robert Holliston ] Re: Songs That Stop Me In My Tracks (was: most/least fave) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: NO VIDEO!!! (JC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Joni's 80s work [RMuRocks@aol.com] (no subject) [Leslie Mixon ] Sally Taylor Tour Dates ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: Calling all boomers (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: JB Sally Taylor Tour Dates [Bounced Message ] Re: most/least [catman ] Re: ("NJCNACTIMTFPIFAOGFTTH"), etc. [LRFye@aol.com] Fw: Joni's 80s work ["Davina Greenstein" ] Re: ("NJCNACTIMTFPIFAOGFTTH") WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! [LRFye@] Re: ("NJCNACTIMTFPIFAOGFTTH"), etc. ["Kakki" ] Re: Billie Holiday (VLJC) - long [LRFye@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #139 [Michael Paz ] Re: Billie Holiday (VLJC) - long [JRMCo1@aol.com] watching "the last waltz" with someone who had never seen it [Clancyhart@] Re: Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell [RMuRocks@aol.com] Joni's "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968" [SpeakinOut@aol.com] Re: Re[3]: ("NJCNACTIMTFPIFAOGFTTH") WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! [IVPAUL42@aol.co] HAPPY99.exe[help]...[njcbositmaaf] ["Brian S. Moss" ] Re: Joni's "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968" [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Most/Least List and Mingus [Ginamu@aol.com] i thought he drank and womanized.. [Clancyhart@aol.com] Re: i thought he drank and womanized.. [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni's "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968" [Randy Remote ] Re: Most/Least List and Mingus ["Eric Taylor" ] SV: JB Sally Taylor Tour Dates ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: Joni's "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968" ["Deb Messling" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 03:32:41 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII like I won SuperBowl New Orleans! Hey, what's wrong with some of you!! Phyllis, I am very greatful that you shared this opportunity with us and excited about the prospect of going to Hawaii! How neat that the company you work for is actually having the sweepstakes!! Those of you I talk to "behind the scenes" know that I won a trip FROM A SWEEPSTAKES to the SuperBowl in New Orleans and got a 4 night stay aboard the Delta Queen. What a chance of a lifetime!! Yeah, the SuperBowl was fun.............my husband, who is NOT into sports, never would have learned the game of football had we not gone (quite funny........but true). I probably never would have gone to New Orleans and walked famous streets or realized how good New Orleans style food really is!! I never would have got to spend nights on a REAL steam boat on the river and the live jazz music everynight was wonderful! Also made some friends from other states.......who still keep in touch. One thing my husband and I were surprized about is that even tho we had won tickets to the Superbowl and this great trip along with 100 others from all over the US and fed and treated like royalty........some of those winners couldn't stop complaining about things. We were amazed! But hubby and I took full advantage of our good fortune and enjoyed every minute of it! Anyways, I hope those of you who think Phyllis is "promoting" something will change your minds...........be greatful, and enter otherwise you may be passing up something you may regret later. On the otherhand, I want to also thank all of you who are not entering..........as that gives me a better chance of winning! I would LOVE to go to Hawaii! And, hey, if I don't win........... I sure hope someone on the list does because that means two JMDLs will get to go to Hawaii. ...... Phyllis and one of us. Oh, I also won a pie from Baker's Square this week.........I'd like to share it with everyone here but I'm afraid a couple pieces will find it's way back to my face (and not in my mouth). Phyllis you're welcome to a piece of my pie. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:37:23 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Holliston Subject: most/least Hey everybody! After months of lurking - and enjoying all the posts - I couldn't resist this thread, mostly because it really made me think honestly about my feelings for songs I've been living with for well over twenty years. So here goes: STAS/JM: favorite: I Had A King/Michael From Mountains/Marcie least favorite: The Pirate of Penance CLOUDS: favorite: Tin Angel/I Don't Know Where I Stand/Chelsea Morning least favorite: The Fiddle and the Drum/Songs to Aging Children Come LOTC: favorite: all of them except: least favorite: Woodstock BLUE: favorite: all of them least favorite: none FTR: favorite: Woman of Heart and Mind/Cold Blue Steel/Barangrill least favorite: Judgement of the Moon and Stars C&S: favorite: all of them least favorite: none MOA: favorite: don't have one least favorite: Carey/You Turn Me On (I'm a Radio) HOSL: favorite: Shades of Scarlett Conquering and everything else except: least favorite: The Jungle Line HEJIRA: favorite: absolutely all of it least favorite: ???? DJRD: favorite: absolutely every word and note except least favorite: Talk to Me (and I like most of it)/The Tenth World MINGUS: favorite: God Must Be A Boogie Man/Dry Cleaner From Des Moines least favorite: Wolf That Lives In Lindsey S&L: favorite: everything, absolutely everything!! What an album, what an artist, what a band, what a show! WTRF: favorite: Chinese Cafe/Moon at the Window/Love least favorite: everything else, particularly You Dream Flat Tires DED: favorite: Good Friends/Ethiopia least favorite: Tax Free/Shiny Toys (I'm sorry but I don't consider "Smokin' [Empty Try Another] worthy of comment) CMIARS: favorite: My Secret Place/Cool Water/Corrina Corrina least favorite: only Dancin' Clown, otherwise I love this album! NRH: favorite: Night Ride Home/Come In From The Cold/Two Grey Rooms least favorite: Ray's Dad's Cadillac TI: favorite: everything - I really love this album - except: least favorite: Yvette in English (I just don't get it) TTT: favorite: Happiness is the Best Facelift and actually everything except: least favorite: Lead Balloon Cheers, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 04:19:15 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Holliston Subject: Joni's 80s work Hi! After submitting my faves/non faves, I thought it was about time to listen to CMIARS again. This is an album I've defended on the list, but tonight I just didn't like it. To me, the emotions are posed rather than genuine (also a complaint I'd be willing to make about DED). Except for Corrina, Corrina, I didn't even like her singing, which sounded forced and contrived. My friends on the list have tried to convince me that DED is a great album, and God knows I've listened to it over and over, but it does nothing for me. WTRF has a few good songs but it's neither integrated like HEJIRA nor adventuresome like DJRD. NRH, TI (especially) and TTT proved that Joni is going to continue to be a great songwriter. Is there anyone else who feels that she hit the bottom of the barrel during the '80s?? (I know there are some '80s fans and I don't wish to insult them). Now listening to the masterpiece entitled Turbulent Indigo.... yours in Joni, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 07:34:09 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs That Stop Me In My Tracks (was: most/least fave) In a message dated 99-04-02 18:04:34 EST, LRFye@aol.com writes: >Anyone else have a Joni song (or several) that just stops you in your tracks? > > Blue Boy The Priest Amelia, (from S&L) Both Sides Now, (from MOA) Barangrill, (from Tape Tree #??) California A Case of You Close our Eyes (all of those three stop me when I'm listening to the live version from the Joni/James tape) Refuge of the Roads MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 07:37:59 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: NO VIDEO!!! (JC) In a message dated 99-04-02 18:19:45 EST, pward@lightspeed.net writes: >Does anybody know if the DVD version has been released? I pre-ordered mine a >while back and haven't received it to date... >-- There is a DVD version as well as another format, some sort of video thing. At least I know that it's stocked in our warehouse. FWIW, if anyone really gets stuck being able to locate this video, please let me know and I'll order it for you from work. E-mail me privately @ mgv1@valley-media.com and we'll work something out. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:27:15 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's 80s work In a message dated 4/3/99 6:20:52 AM Central Standard Time, rhollis@islandnet.com writes: << Is there anyone else who feels that she hit the bottom of the barrel during the '80s?? (I know there are some '80s fans and I don't wish to insult them). >> Roberto, As I recall, that barrel bottom (pop music in general) was pretty darn low in the 80's. Joni's work, although not up there with her best, was certainly miles above the bottom of the barrel, IMO. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 07:36:59 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: (no subject) I copied the following from the Judy Collins website - which is: http://www.judycollins.com : "Ms. Collins has always brought the talented to light. She was one of the first performers to bring the songs of Randy Newman and Joni Mitchell to widespread public exposure. Always the song enthusiast, Judy's receiving a 3:00 AM phone call from an ardent Joni Mitchell fan playing "Both Sides Now" would lead to her legendary recording of the classic. The song was included on her 1967 album Wildflowers, with both the single and album becoming a turning point in Ms. Collins career and garnering her the first of five Grammy nominations." About a year ago I posted an excerpt from Al Kooper's (Out of Print) book, "Backstage Passes" - it was Al who called Judy up at 3am those many years ago. And it was Joni who performed "Both Sides Now" for Judy over the telephone. Additionally, Judy is performing at the Crest Theatre in Sacramento, CA, on Friday night, December 17, 1999, as a fund raiser for the Sacramento AIDS project. She will be backed up by the 50-person Sacramento Men's Chorus. Tickets are $75 per person. Her tour schedule is posted on her website. I'd also like to share a Joni moment. I get into my car yesterday morning, one of the few mornings when I didn't have to defrost ice from my windshield (is this Spring?) I turn on one of the local non-commercial radio stations to hear Jimi Hendrix singing, "Castles Made of Sand." Great to hear Jimi at 7:45am. The sky is blue and I'm in a good mood. "Castles" fades and on comes Joni and the familiar dulcimer strains of "California." Joni follows Jimi, how cool! This is going to be a good day. Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:53:16 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Sally Taylor Tour Dates April 8 - Barkley's, Frisco, CO April 10 - Tuft Theatre, Denver, CO April 21 - Fox Theatre, Boulder, CO April 22 - Fox Theatre, Boulder, CO April 23 - Music Hall, Colorado Springs, CO May 11 - Paramount Theatre, Denver, CO ( opens for Art Garfunkel ) May 30 - Boulder Creek Festival, Boulder, CO June 6 - Point State Park, Pittsburgh, PA ( opens for Livingston Taylor ) June 13 - Concert Under The Stars, King Of Prussia, PA Check this wonderful artist - She'll soon be a HUGE star! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:14:28 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Calling all boomers (NJC) LRFye@aol.com wrote: > > Okay, Jerry, these are the ones I can't remember or never knew ... > > > QUESTION #7: "You'll wonder where the yellow went, ______ _____ _______ > > ______._______ ______ _________________" when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent. Bonus points: Who sang "Brusha, brusha, brusha, with the new Ipana?" > > > QUESTION #20: In the movie, The Graduate, young Benjamin, played by > > Dustin > > Hoffman, was counseled about his future, and told to consider one thing: > > > > _______________. Plastics! > > > QUESTION #21: In another movie, Paul Newman played Luke, a ne'r do well > > who was sent to a prison camp for cutting off the heads of parking > > meters > > with a pipe cutter. When he was captured after an unsuccessful attempt > > to > > escape, the camp used this experience as a lesson for the other > > prisoners, > > and explained, "What we have here, ___ ___ _____________ __ > > _______________________." is a failure. to communiucate. > > > QUESTION #22: In 1962, a dejected politician chastised the press after > > losing a race for governor while announcing his retirement from > > politics. > > "Just think, you won't have ________ ____________ to kick around any > > more." Richard Nixon. If only it had been true... > > QUESTION #23: "Every morning, at the mine, you could see him arrive; He > > stood six foot, six and weighed 245. Kinda broad at the shoulder, and > > narrow at the hip. And everybody knew you didn't give no lip, ___ _____ > > ____." to Big John. > > > QUESTION #24: "I found my thrill, _____ ' ____________ _______________." > > > > (sung by _______________.) > > I know the end of the verse, but WHO performed the song? (I can hear the > voice in my head ...) Antoine "fats" Domino Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:57:47 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's 80s work Roberto asked: > Is there anyone else who feels that she hit the bottom of > the barrel during the '80s?? Well, in a lot of ways the entire planet hit the bottom of the barrel in the 80s, but that's another discussion ... Although I very much like DED (and everything else that Joni has recorded), I would have to generally agree that Joni's best work was not done during the 80s. When I first heard WTRF, I thought: "Oh, how nice for Joni to be so in love." Since I was also fabulously in love, the album worked for me then and I played it non-stop. By the time DED was released, I was doing a NATO gig in Europe and was pretty much disgusted with politics and religion (of course, I still am), and DED struck many chords within me. CMIARS is (along with -- heresy! -- Blue) among my least-listened-to Joni albums. On the other hand, whenever I listen to CMIARS, I find I like it just fine. However, there does seem to be *something* missing on Joni's 80s work ... what is it? I don't find the singing forced or contrived, really. Maybe what's missing is the *textured layers* of the previous decade's work? Sometimes the music seems a little hollow or something ... then again, those ten years were pretty shallow, so the lack of depth is an accurate reflection of the times. Someone (Don? Bob? sorry I can't recall who) recently wrote that the triumvirate (a great word, I do remember that) of HOSL, Hejira, and DJRD cannot be (or, anyway, hasn't been) matched; I definitely agree. I would extend that backwards and forwards to include C & S and Mingus, although I'm sure many will disagree with me. Joni's best work, imho, happened during the 70s -- but then, didn't almost everyone's? Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:05:46 -0800 From: "raymond" Subject: Central Coast (NJC) Hi and thank you, Leslie. No, I'm nowhere near Santa Cruz, but I do get to Big Sur alot. I live in the Santa Ynez Valley which is 35 miles north of Santa Barbara. I've lived there since 1979. Cathy NP - "beyond the Missouri Sky"..charlie haden & pat metheny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 10:28:46 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JB Sally Taylor Tour Dates Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:39:40 -0800 From: "Daisy O. Trostrud" On Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:53:16 +0200 "Peter Holmstedt" writes: >Check this wonderful artist - She'll soon be a HUGE star! Yes, she should do very well. I had the opportunity to see Sally in Portland last weekend. What a wonderful show. (And it was fun to pick up bits and pieces of James Taylor and Carly Simon in the music.) Daisy (in Eugene, Oregon) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:09:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: most/least STAS: Love all of it LOTC: BYT, Morning Morgantown, Circle Game, Rainy Night House CLOUDS: Both Sides Now, Fiddle and Drum FTR: You Turn Me On I'm A Radio, Cold etc, Blue: All of it C&S: All of it HOSL: All of it Hejira: All of it DJRD: Talk To Me, Tenth World, Dreamland Mingus: None of it WTRF: |Most of it, not Love DED: All of It CMIAR: Lakota NRH: love most of it, not Two Ggrey Rooms or Ray's whatsit TI: Love most but hate Loast Chance lost and Yvettee in English TTT: Not well enough known yet but like No Apologies, Lead Balloon, Facelift, ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:48:26 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: ("NJCNACTIMTFPIFAOGFTTH"), etc. David Lahm wrote: > Help me. What is the gatekeepers reference? I try to stay on top of current > phrases and usage but this one stumps me completely. Harkening back to Kakki's observation that many of the admonitions regarding appropriate and/or correct list content seem to be made by males toward females -- and now I'm going to paraphrase here -- Paul Ivice suggested that perhaps (some of) the men are "gatekeepers" for the JMDL. NJCNACTIMTFPIFAOGFTTH -- doesn't that just make you want to try to sing it to the tune of "Superkalfragelisticexpealidocious"? Or however it's spelled ... Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:57:05 -0800 From: "Davina Greenstein" Subject: Fw: Joni's 80s work Roberto wrote: Is there anyone else who feels that she hit the bottom of the barrel during the '80s?? Actually WTRF is one of my favorite Joni albums, so I would have to disagree with the statement. I also enjoy DED and CMIARS far more than S&L or Mingus which to this day I still can't get into. Am I the only one on this list that feels that S&L has a very lounge lizardy sound to it. Davina np: Dish Network's 70's music channel....Bob Marly No Woman..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:03:05 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: ("NJCNACTIMTFPIFAOGFTTH") WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! Eric! > Ladies & gentleman, straight & gay, it's not about sex. It's all ego.... Ego on the JMDL?!!! When? Where? ; ) Lori, loving all of you intelligent, arrogant, egotistic friends of spirit San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:56:04 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: ("NJCNACTIMTFPIFAOGFTTH"), etc. Lori wrote: >David Lahm wrote: > >> Help me. What is the gatekeepers reference? I try to stay on top of current >> phrases and usage but this one stumps me completely. > >Harkening back to Kakki's observation that many of the admonitions regarding >appropriate and/or correct list content seem to be made by males toward >females -- and now I'm going to paraphrase here -- Paul Ivice suggested that >perhaps (some of) the men are "gatekeepers" for the JMDL. I thought David's question was posed sort of tongue in cheek. And I cringe everytime I see the scary "g" word appear here - it's makes me feel like this really *is* a cult afterall! ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:08:58 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Billie Holiday (VLJC) - long My pal Mark in Seattle wrote: > Ok, that's more than most of you ever wanted to read about Billie > Holiday and to some of you it's not anything you didn't know already. Mark, thank you so much for taking the time to write this post. I've only scratched the surface of Billie's recordings, and I'm delighted to learn so much about her today. Lori San Antonio NP: Billie's "Miss Brown To You" off of a Holland import called Billie Holiday Golden Hits (found at a pawn shop by a friend) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 14:36:05 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #139 Philiss wrote: "Does anybody know if the DVD version has been released? I pre-ordered mine a while back and haven't received it to date..." Hi Philiss- I got mine on my Birthday and what a treat. Kevin also gave me Yes at the Spectrum 1979 and James Taylor at the Beacon Theatre. I am in Heaven. Happy Easter to all and chorused thoughts channeled towards San Fransisco. Love Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:13:10 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Billie Holiday (VLJC) - long mark writes: << Ok, that's more than most of you ever wanted to read about Billie Holiday and to some of you it's not anything you didn't know already. But the guy asked and if the truth be told, I've been dying to write a good, long-winded post about Billie's records for a long time. >> Bravo, Mark! Thanks for the breakdown on Billie. You've helped give form to my chaotic appreciation of her recorded music. I can't imagine anything more artistically and historically satisfying than a long, fascinating, yet structured journey into the treasured musical legacy of Lady Day. It's a trip I'm looking forward to. Thanks again. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:18:47 EST From: Clancyhart@aol.com Subject: watching "the last waltz" with someone who had never seen it this is my first time i've posted a message, though i have really enjoyed reading everyone else's. i just wanted to share the experience of sitting with my sister-in-law, who has never been into joni, while she watched the last waltz for the first time. of course my brother and i insisted on rewinding to watch "coyote" several times, and did the same thing with van---dig that elvis jumpsuit he has on! when i came downstairs the next morning, she had gotten up early to watch joni again--not just coyote, but the ghostly harmony joni adds to neil's "helpless". since then, my sister-in-law has borrowed a couple of my cds--hejira and for the roses. made me feel good. i hope this message is okay--i'm unduly nervous about the whole thing. by the way, i love the lists of most/least faves. personally, i think sire of sorrow is an amazing song and was a little surprised to see it listed as a least favorite. amy NP--lucinda williams ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:57:11 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell In a message dated 4/3/99 12:26:38 PM Central Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Run, don't walk to get this one - it's fantabulous. >> Funny you mention it Kakki - I just got back from the record store; alas no Lahm, I could've special ordered it but I think I'll just pick it up from the Web. Thanx for the review... Bob NP: Keb Mo, "Soon As I get Paid" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:38:57 EST From: SpeakinOut@aol.com Subject: Joni's "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968" I just returned from a record show where there was an incredible 2CD set of Joni called "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968." The quality is stunning and must have been sourced from the masters. The material covers the following: - - 2nd Fret, Philadelphia, Pa November 1966 6 songs - - 2nd Fret, Philadelphia, Pa March 17, 1967 4 songs from 2nd set, 1 from 3rd - - WHAI Radio session, Philadelphia, PA March 19, 1967 4 songs - - WHAI Radio session, Philadelphia, PA , May 28, 1967 1 song - - 2nd Fret, Philadelphia, Pa October 12, 1967 14 songs - - WDAS Radio session, Philadelphia, PA Autumn 1968 3 songs The last track on disk one is a live version of Neil Young's "Sweet Joni." Seems as if the 2nd Fret is/was a coffee house type club, judging from the small audience. Sounds like all of 50 people were at these shows. The printed artwork has two beautiful photos of Joni on each side, in fact each side is interchangeable as the front cover. Inside is a shot of Joni sitting in a field strumming an unusual looking string instrument, along with the gig information. The back tray card has two close-up pics of a young Joni playing live. Not sure if this material has circulated before (I think not), but it is amazing stuff. Joni is very engaging and chats a lot and the performances are wonderful. The picture disk CDs are real cool, too. These are not CDRs. Anyway, thought this info would be of interest. See 'ya, back to lurking :-) Semi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:48:08 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[3]: ("NJCNACTIMTFPIFAOGFTTH") WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! In a message dated 4/3/99 2:59:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << Men should be more aware of their testosterone levels. Oh, and Paul .... "Gatekeepers"!!!???? Oh come on now!!! Not on the JMDL!>> Ladies & gentleman, straight & gay, it's not about sex. It's all ego.... E.T. >> I'm not defending it. It was an observation that I think is accurate. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:48:36 -0500 From: "Brian S. Moss" Subject: HAPPY99.exe[help]...[njcbositmaaf] Greetings: I have recently recieved an e-mail from a friend in Anchorage, which had the "HAPPY99.EXE" attachment. I know I read about this virus since the first of the year, and since this list is the only one I read, I think I read it here. If anyone has the detailed Info on how to remove this, please e-mail me [off list] so I can help my friend. Thanking "YOU" in advance. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:42:54 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968" I went to my local record store today to buy Miles Of Isles and saw this today! I listened to it and was amazed and then wondered if this was some sort of bootleg that was being distributed for sale. I don't know much about this sort of thing, so can someone please advise? I didn't find the sound quality at all good on the copy I listened to. I was interested to see not only Sweet Joni (which I know of) but also the following songs which are unknown to me: Brandy Eyes, Eastern Rain, Born To Take The Highway, Mr. Blue (which Joni says is not about David Blue but about a man who is very sad), Carnival in Kennova and Winter Lady. Is this material contained on any of the tape trees? I also listened partially to two other live cds by Joni. One called By The Banks Of The River Charles, recorded at Club 47 in Cambridge, 1968. Unfamiliar songs on it were Vali (which has been brought up on the list since I've been a careful post reader), Gift Of The Magi, Come To The Sunshine and The Way It Is. And the other is called Canada 1994 and there is a poem on it called Fish Bowl as well a track listed as Lust Like This Train. I didn't listen to this last one, as the store was really crowded and crazy but I plan to return, of course. Again, are these legitimate recordings? Some are "imports" and two of these were priced at $44.95. Any information would be appreciated and I apologize in advance if this is all obvious to a lot of listers. Gina NP: Miles Of Isles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:44:58 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Most/Least List and Mingus In a message dated 4/3/99 1:39:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: > Although you picked my two favs from Mingus I'll never understand why so > many Joni lovers hate this album. I like it very much and had a hard time determining my least favorite on it (though that was the case with several of her works). I think of it as one of Joni's bravest recordings. She is now much more well regarded as a jazz singer and her foray into jazz with Mingus now doesn't seem like such a big thing but it certainly was at the time. Gina NP: Miles Of Isles which I didn't include in my most/least list because I hadn't owned it up to now and hadn't heard it at all in many years. So, here goes: Most: Woman Of Heart And Mind (though they are all great) Least: Carey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:01:05 EST From: Clancyhart@aol.com Subject: i thought he drank and womanized.. question: i was just cruising around on wally's web page and saw a quote from refuge of the roads that read "i met a friend of spirit, a drunk with sage's eyes". that sounds beautiful, but i have always heard "he drank and womanized". of course, he could've been a drunk with sage's eyes who drank and womanized...i'm not meaning to nitpick, and i did read the messages about the beauty of interpretation and personal meaning, but just wondering how other folks heard this. happens to be one of my favorite verses in one of my favorite songs...amy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:24:49 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: i thought he drank and womanized.. In a message dated 4/3/99 10:15:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Clancyhart@aol.com writes: << question: i was just cruising around on wally's web page and saw a quote from refuge of the roads that read "i met a friend of spirit, a drunk with sage's eyes". that sounds beautiful, but i have always heard "he drank and womanized". of course, he could've been a drunk with sage's eyes who drank and womanized...i'm not meaning to nitpick, and i did read the messages about the beauty of interpretation and personal meaning, but just wondering how other folks heard this. happens to be one of my favorite verses in one of my favorite songs...amy >> Amy, in more recent live performances, it has been reported that she used the "drunk with sage's eyes" version; there is no question that ther version recorded on "Hejira" is "he drank and womanized." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 19:49:04 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968" Hi semi Since Gina just posted saying the quality of 2nd frets was not good, and you say stunning, could you please relay label info, and matrix # of the copy you have. Thanks. RR SpeakinOut@aol.com wrote: > I just returned from a record show where there was an incredible 2CD > set of Joni called "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968." The quality is stunning > and must have been sourced from the masters. The material covers the > following: > > - 2nd Fret, Philadelphia, Pa November 1966 6 songs > - 2nd Fret, Philadelphia, Pa March 17, 1967 4 songs from 2nd set, 1 from 3rd > - WHAI Radio session, Philadelphia, PA March 19, 1967 4 songs > - WHAI Radio session, Philadelphia, PA , May 28, 1967 1 song > - 2nd Fret, Philadelphia, Pa October 12, 1967 14 songs > - WDAS Radio session, Philadelphia, PA Autumn 1968 3 songs > > The last track on disk one is a live version of Neil Young's "Sweet Joni." > Seems as if the 2nd Fret is/was a coffee house type club, judging from the > small audience. Sounds like all of 50 people were at these shows. > The printed artwork has two beautiful photos of Joni on each side, in > fact each side is interchangeable as the front cover. Inside is a shot of Joni > sitting in a field strumming an unusual looking string instrument, along with > the gig information. The back tray card has two close-up pics of a young Joni > playing live. Not sure if this material has circulated before (I think not), > but it > is amazing stuff. Joni is very engaging and chats a lot and the performances > are wonderful. The picture disk CDs are real cool, too. These are not CDRs. > Anyway, thought this info would be of interest. See 'ya, back to lurking :-) > > Semi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:11:56 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968" Gina- Certainly a bootleg. Interesting that a previous post said the quality was excellent. I guess you did not buy it? Isn't "Sweet Joni" a Neil Young song? Was this one performed by Joni? A little confused. Neil's song is Sweet Joni from Saskatoon Here's a ring for your finger that looks like the sun But it feels like the moon Sweet Joni from Saskatoon Don't go, don't go too soon........ The Canada '94 one is from the live TV concert she did in Toronto Sept 23, 1994. It was released as "Just Ice" on the KTS (bootleg) label. I have heard that one, and the quality is quite good. A video version of it has circulated, too. "Lust Like This Train" is a funny/lame typo. Hopefully others can fill in the details on the "River Charles" CD. RR Ginamu@aol.com wrote: > I went to my local record store today to buy Miles Of Isles and saw this > today! I listened to it and was amazed and then wondered if this was some > sort of bootleg that was being distributed for sale. I don't know much about > this sort of thing, so can someone please advise? I didn't find the sound > quality at all good on the copy I listened to. I was interested to see not > only Sweet Joni (which I know of) but also the following songs which are > unknown to me: Brandy Eyes, Eastern Rain, Born To Take The Highway, Mr. Blue > (which Joni says is not about David Blue but about a man who is very sad), > Carnival in Kennova and Winter Lady. Is this material contained on any of the > tape trees? > > I also listened partially to two other live cds by Joni. One called By The > Banks Of The River Charles, recorded at Club 47 in Cambridge, 1968. > Unfamiliar songs on it were Vali (which has been brought up on the list since > I've been a careful post reader), Gift Of The Magi, Come To The Sunshine and > The Way It Is. And the other is called Canada 1994 and there is a poem on it > called Fish Bowl as well a track listed as Lust Like This Train. I didn't > listen to this last one, as the store was really crowded and crazy but I plan > to return, of course. > > Again, are these legitimate recordings? Some are "imports" and two of these > were priced at $44.95. Any information would be appreciated and I apologize > in advance if this is all obvious to a lot of listers. > > Gina > NP: Miles Of Isles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:13:56 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: i thought he drank and womanized.. Yeah, I've always heard "drank and womanized." LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 23:33:53 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: copies of sheet music Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 22:57:31 -0600 From: Cindy Fisher Hi all. I'm new to this list and can't stay long... I belong to celiac list group and get so many messages a day I don't think I can handle more at the time. I'm feeling pretty blessed right now to have access to such a wide group of Joni fans to make a request from my heart. 10 years ago I lost my copies of her 2 complete volumes of scores of her music from the 60's and 70's. I finally found Volume 1 and bought it for a pretty outrageous price and was just now bidding on volume 2 and the price jumped out of my range. I have 2 teenage daughters (one in college) and 2 really young boys under 7. I'm also a grandma of a 1 year old and used to sing "California" to my 22 year old when he was a toddler. Playing certain songs on the piano from Volume 2 was such good therapy for me and tuning the guitar to those open tunings on "You turn me on, I'm a Radio" and "Cold Blue Steel..." always did something to my brain and made me feel so connected. I feel like a big chunk is missing out of me, it's part of my personal heritage that I've lost. So my request is (and I hope I don't offend anyone) if anyone has volume 2, would they be willing to copy certain songs for me and send them on out? A music teacher friend of mine told me that once out of print there isn't anything illegal about making and sharing copies. I do it with Christmas carols all the time. So please, please, I supplicate you to help me get some copies. If anyone can help me, please e-mail me privately and I will tell you the specific songs I would like and reimburse you for the cost and your time. Thanks so much in advance. Cindy in Texas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 03:22:15 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Most/Least List and Mingus I wrote: > > Although you picked my two favs from Mingus I'll never understand why > > so many Joni lovers hate this album. Gina wrote: > I like it very much and had a hard time determining my least favorite on it > (though that was the case with several of her works). I think of it as one of > Joni's bravest recordings. She is now much more well regarded as a jazz > singer and her foray into jazz with Mingus now doesn't seem like such a > big thing but it certainly was at the time.... That Charles Mingus chose Joni Mitchell to present his last work to the world is the greatest compliment a music master can pay to another. Mingus is arguably the best jazz basist of the 20th Century. Joni certainly did a masterful job interpreting his songs. And her paintings for the album are some of the most original, wonderful works of art I've ever encountered! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:47:25 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: SV: JB Sally Taylor Tour Dates > Från: Daisy O. Trostrud > I had the opportunity to see Sally in Portland last weekend. > What a wonderful show. Yes, be sure to check this great lady out. Her new album is GREAT ! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:51:58 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: SV: JB Sally Taylor Tour Dates > Från: Probie28@aol.com > Does she have any CD's out - I would like to check her out ? > If so, please let me know where they have them. Sally's new album is available from : http://www.sallytaylor.com A GREAT album! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:08:04 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites/Least Favorites << On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:18:42 -0500 Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: * Here's a little variation on the "favorite/least favorite" * routine. What are your picks per album? STAS Most: Cactus Tree, Night in the City, (and the Pirate of Penance) Least: Nathan LaFraneer Clouds Most: The Gallery, Tin Angel, Chelsea Morning Least: Roses Blue, I Think I Understand LOTC Most: For Free, Willy, Rainy Night House, Conversation Least: Ladies of the Canyon Blue Most: A Case Of You, Last Time I Saw Richard, River Least: Carey For The Roses Most: Ludwig's Tune, Woman of Heart & Mind, Cold Blue Steel and EVERY other song except: Least: See You Sometime Court & Spark Most: Down To You, Court and Spark, Same Situation Least: Twisted Miles of Aisles Most: You Turn Me On, For Free, Jericho, Love or Money Least: Woodstock HOSL Most: Shades of Scarlett Conquering, Don't Interrupt the Sorrow, Harry's House Least: The Jungle Line Hejira Most: Refuge of the Roads, Hejira, Coyote Least: Furry Sings The Blues, Blue Motel Room, Strange Boy DJRD Most: Silky Veils of Ardor, Don Juan's Reckless DAughter, Paprika Plains Least: Talk to Me, Otis and Marlena, The Tenth World Mingus (Raps don't count) Most: Dry Cleaner from Des Moines, Goodbye Pork-pie Hat Least: A Chair in the Sky Shadows & Light Most: Edith and the Kingpin, Shadows and Light, Hejira, Dreamland Least: Furry Sings the Blues WTRF Most: Chinese Cafe, Man to Man, Underneath the Streetlights Least: You're So Square, Be Cool Dog Eat Dog Most: Impossible Dreamer, Fiction, Three Great Stimulants Least: Ethiopia CMIARS Most: The Reoccurring Dream, Cool Water, The Tea-leaf Prophecy Least: Snakes and Ladders, Lakota Night Ride Home Most: Night Ride Home, Come In From the Cold Least: Nothing Can Be Done, Ray's Dad's Cadillac Turbulent Indigo Most: Sex Kills, How Do You Stop Least: Not to Blame Taming The Tiger (Too soon to say) Paul Ivice ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:40:52 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Most/Least List and Mingus Not to sound conspiracy-minded, but have people noticed that bios and critiques of Charles Mingus rarely mention his work with Joni? One would think it was a significant project simply because it was his last. I'm wondering whether devotees of Mingus dislike the Joni project and are trying to wish it away. > That Charles Mingus chose Joni Mitchell to present his last work > to the > world is the greatest compliment a music master can pay to another. Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:43:17 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Joni's "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968" > Mr. Blue (which > Joni says is not about David Blue but about a man who is very sad), Gina, I don't recall this introduction to Mr. Blue -- there is more than one version?! The version I recall has Joni claiming to have written Mr. Blue from leftover lyrics to other songs. It's not that great a song, but if there is more than one version of it, the completist in me wants to know!! Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:07:03 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Most/Least List and Mingus In a message dated 4/3/99 8:49:58 PM Central Daylight Time, Gina writes: << She is now much more well regarded as a jazz singer and her foray into jazz with Mingus now doesn't seem like such a big thing but it certainly was at the time. >> In the latest Newsweek (April 5), there's an article on Cassandra Wilson & "Traveling Miles" which says... 'In recent albums, she has covered a stunning array of artists from blues guitarist Robert Johnson to Joni Mitchell, from The Monkees to U2. "Ten years ago I certainly would never have admitted that I liked Joni Mitchell," says Wilson. "I couldn't have. As an aspiring jazz songstress, you don't mention those kinds of people as being your influences."' I'm glad she feels like she can mention it NOW...as much as I like Ms. Wilson, her version of "Black Crow" is right up there with Ian & Sylvia (Circle Game) & Roger McGuinn (Dreamland) for worst Joni covers ever... Bob NP: Tom Waits "In The Neighborhood" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:12:15 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968" In a message dated 4/3/99 8:48:32 PM Central Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << I listened to it and was amazed and then wondered if this was some sort of bootleg that was being distributed for sale. I don't know much about this sort of thing, so can someone please advise? >> Gina, anything other than her studio discs we know & love, + MOA & S&L is going to be a bootleg... << I was interested to see not only Sweet Joni (which I know of) but also the following songs which are unknown to me: Brandy Eyes, Eastern Rain, Born To Take The Highway, Mr. Blue (which Joni says is not about David Blue but about a man who is very sad), Carnival in Kennova and Winter Lady. Is this material contained on any of the tape trees? >> Yep... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:53:25 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Most/Least List and Mingus In a message dated 4/4/1999 12:35:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Not to sound conspiracy-minded, but have people noticed that bios and critiques of Charles Mingus rarely mention his work with Joni? One would think it was a significant project simply because it was his last. I'm wondering whether devotees of Mingus dislike the Joni project and are trying to wish it away. > That Charles Mingus chose Joni Mitchell to present his last work > to the > world is the greatest compliment a music master can pay to another. >> As I listen to theCD right now I can only think of one reason why. I remember reading an article on this and it bascially said that they didn't like the fact that she was switching gears again. How could a folkie sing Jazz? Well she can and quite good. Since her musical background is not from jazz they figure she should not be *allowed * to even think of singing it. She has said in past interviews that she always loved jazz music and grew up with that and music of the 50's. People don't like it when people change there music style no matter how well they do it. It almost feels like a jealousy factor to me. Catgirl....listening to the "Wolf that lived in Lindsey" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:59:39 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Most/Least List and Mingus In a message dated 4/4/1999 1:06:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: << I'm glad she feels like she can mention it NOW...as much as I like Ms. Wilson, her version of "Black Crow" is right up there with Ian & Sylvia (Circle Game) & Roger McGuinn (Dreamland) for worst Joni covers ever... Bob >> It is a bizaar cover and I only bought the CD because of the song. After hearing it a few times I am not crazy about it. BTW, I just got a CD burner and if any one is interested in getting an absolutely favorite tape on CD, let me know. I also have a Bootleg CD called *Just ice* if any one is interested in that let me know. And lastly, I have a few Joni bootleg on vinyl, let me know if you want a posting of the songs. I have joined the trading list and am waiting to get on. Very thrilled to be here! I have been following Joni since 1976 and love her music! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:05:39 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's "Second Fret Sets: 1966-1968" In a message dated 4/4/1999 1:27:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: << << I was interested to see not only Sweet Joni (which I know of) but also the following songs which are unknown to me: Brandy Eyes, Eastern Rain, Born To Take The Highway, Mr. Blue (which Joni says is not about David Blue but about a man who is very sad), Carnival in Kennova and Winter Lady. Is this material contained on any of the tape trees? >> Yep... Bob >> ME TOO :::catgirl, jumping up and down:::: Also, I have her very first song book and want to get tape of,,,,,,Jeremy, (A) melody in your name, Moon in the mirror, Poor Sad Baby, Straw-flower me, and Who has seen the wind* as well as the ones mentioned above. I also heard a long time ago ( I taped it but lost the tape-YIKES) of her doing a song about London Bridge. I really want to start getting some of this music on tape..YOU GUYS RULE! A very happy Catgirl....that cat's got luck! --listening to that right now! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:22:21 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Joni playing the oboe As far as I know "The Only Joy In Town" is the only song on which Joni plays the oboe. It's renowned for being a fiendishly difficult instrument to play, and I'd never even heard that she'd ever learned it. Does anyone know when she started to play the oboe, and indeed if she has any other instrumental capabilities up her sleeve? Azeem in London NP: The McGarrigle Hour, 68 minutes of pure delight, featuring the extended family clan, including a very promising songwriting debut by Martha Wainwright called "Year of the Dragon". She'll be going places. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:14:02 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Chords for Coyote I have different chords for this song in reg tuning if anyone is interested in having them, let me know or if anyone knows how I can post them to the website, let me know that too. they work quite well and I have even played it out with a full band and it sounds great! Catgirl...no regrets coyote! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:03:32 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Blue: DCC Gold vs. Reprise HDCD OK, someone be honest here who's heard both of these. I'm going to go out and either spend $12 on the HDCD, or $30 on the DCC. I have spent that much on DCC products before and found them definately worth it-- McCartney's first album, Bob's HW61R, Kind Of Blue-- but in each of those cases, the only other CD available was an 80s vintage poorly mastered disc. Now, here, in the case of Blue, we have two high-quality masterings, both from the original two-track, with the only difference being the HDCD process on one, and the gold plating on the other. (I think.) So, who has heard and STUDIED the sound on both of them, and is one truly better sounding than the other? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #141 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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