From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #139 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, April 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 139 Joni the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Stormy Weather CD [Catherine Turley ] Re: Stormy Weather ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Gas Rebellion (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Calling all boomers (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re[2]: Favorites/Least Favorites [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: hello.. [chloe ] Garrison Reads Joni [Lisa Peakes ] Re: hello.. [Durfee/Barosky ] Re[2]: hello.. [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Mr No-NJC speaks (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] another Joni list [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Gas Rebellion (NJC) [Strummed@aol.com] Re: Gas Rebellion [Strummed@aol.com] Re: another Joni list [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] The dreggs I LOVE. [MDESTE1@aol.com] NJC - Another request for UK info [Les Irvin ] I'm new, too! [Bounced Message ] Most/Least List [Bounced Message ] NO VIDEO!!! (JC) ["Barnicle, Kathryn" ] Re: list content (NJC) [David Wright ] Re: NO VIDEO!!! (JC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] I'm new, too! ["raymond" ] Re: The dreggs I LOVE. [LRFye@aol.com] Songs That Stop Me In My Tracks (was: most/least fave) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: NO VIDEO!!! (JC) [Phyliss Ward ] NJC gas prices [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re: NO VIDEO!!! (JC) [luvart@snet.net] Re[2]: ("NJCNACTIMTFPIFAOGFTTH") WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! [luv] Re: I'm new, too! [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: another Joni list [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: NO VIDEO!!! (JC) ["Davina Greenstein" ] Re: Songs That Stop Me In My Tracks (was: most/least fave) [RMuRocks@aol.] a boho goes to Chicago [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Favorites/Least Favorites ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Songs That Stop Me In My Tracks (was: most/least fave) [TerryM2442@ao] Re: Calling all boomers (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Favorites/Least Favorites [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Songs That Stop Me In My Tracks (was: most/least fave) [Mark Domyanci] Re: Calling all boomers (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Most/Least [Randy Remote ] Re: Calling all boomers (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 01:30:30 -0700 From: Catherine Turley Subject: Stormy Weather CD Has anybody on the west coast of the US received a Stormy Weather CD? I have tried every 800 number and URL posted to the list in hopes of getting hold of one, and have had no success. The last very polite but unhelpful AT&T underling who I spoke to said that the Stormy Weather CDs were both limited time and limited geographical area--only certain regions got them. So apparently I'm out of luck here in AZ. Did any fortunate midwesterner get spammed by AT&T and receive more than one? Does anyone with a cd burner have one? Just got a cd burner myself, and if I could scare up a copy would be willing to make copies for those of us who are geographically disadvantaged. Sending up my prayer wondering who's there to hear . . .. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:15:31 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Stormy Weather May I dare ask if it's worth devoting my time to obtaining this CD? I seem to remember someone who attended the concert saying that Joni was in bad voice that night. How does she sound on CD? > Any other ideas how to get this CD???? Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:47:26 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Gas Rebellion (NJC) Gasoline is cheaper in America than almost anywhere in the world. This low price allows us to use gas guzzling oversized vehicles that are dangerous to people, animals, and the environment and to avoid biting the bullet on constructing and using mass transit systems. When gasoline is at 3 or 4 dollars a gallon, as it has been in Europe for most of the last twenty years, then maybe we will finally stop running around in our big wheel trucks with one passenger. Jerry np: Stormy Weather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:58:22 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Calling all boomers (NJC) Baby Boomer Quiz Were YOU a "Baby-boomer?" QUESTION #1: Name the Beatles - both the first and last name of each, of course. (Consider this a warm-up. If you can't answer this one without thinking, close up the test, and move on to something else. We have nothing further to discuss.) QUESTION #2: Finish the line: "Lions and tigers and bears, _____ ______." QUESTION #3: "Hey kids, what time is it?" ______ _________ ________ ________! QUESTION #4: What do M&M's do? ________________________________ QUESTION #5: What helps build strong bodies 12 ways? _________ ________. QUESTION #6: Long before he was Mohammed Ali, before he was The Greatest, we knew him as _______ ______. QUESTION #7: "You'll wonder where the yellow went, ______ _____ _______ ______._______ ______ _________________" QUESTION #8: Those post-baby boomers, or baby boomer wannabees, know Bob Denver as the Skipper's "little buddy." But we true boomers know that Bob Denver is actually the closest friend of ________ __________. QUESTION #9: "M-I-C: See ya' real soon; K-E-Y: _______________? __ __ __ __ __" QUESTION #10: A "streaker" is someone who might go running through the lobby of the girls' dormitory _______________. QUESTION #11: "Brylcream: __ ________ _____ _____ ___ ___." QUESTION #12: Bob Dylan advised us never to trust anyone ____ ____ QUESTION #13: From the early days of our music, real rock 'n roll, finish this line: "I wonder, wonder who; (_ _ _ _) ____ ______ ____ _____ __ _____?" QUESTION #14: And while we're remembering rock n' roll, try this one: "War...uh-huh, huh...yea; what is it good for? ________ __________." QUESTION #15: This is from a kinder and gentler protest song, but the question is just as profound: "Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing? Where have all the flowers gone, long time ago? Where have all the flowers gone? __________________________." QUESTION #16: Meanwhile, back home in Metropolis, Superman fights a never-ending battle for truth, justice, and ______ _______________ ________! QUESTION #17: He came out of the University of Alabama, became one of the best quarterbacks in the history of the NFL, and later went on to appear in a TV commercial wearing women's stockings. He is _____ __________. QUESTION #18: "I'm Popeye the sailor man; I'm Popeye the sailor man. I'm strong to the finish, __________________________." QUESTION #19: Your children probably recall that Peter Pan was recently played by Robin Williams, but we will always remember when Peter was played by ___________ _____________. QUESTION #20: In the movie, The Graduate, young Benjamin, played by Dustin Hoffman, was counseled about his future, and told to consider one thing: _______________. QUESTION #21: In another movie, Paul Newman played Luke, a ne'r do well who was sent to a prison camp for cutting off the heads of parking meters with a pipe cutter. When he was captured after an unsuccessful attempt to escape, the camp used this experience as a lesson for the other prisoners, and explained, "What we have here, ___ ___ _____________ __ _______________________." QUESTION #22: In 1962, a dejected politician chastised the press after losing a race for governor while announcing his retirement from politics. "Just think, you won't have ________ ____________ to kick around any more." QUESTION #23: "Every morning, at the mine, you could see him arrive; He stood six foot, six and weighed 245. Kinda broad at the shoulder, and narrow at the hip. And everybody knew you didn't give no lip, ___ _____ ____." QUESTION #24: "I found my thrill, _____ ' ____________ _______________." (sung by _______________.) QUESTION #25: "Good night, David." "_________ __________ ________!" Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:16:23 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Favorites/Least Favorites Eric wrote: <> I agree Eric...when I kicked this thing off, I labeled them "least favorite" for that very reason. On Blue & FTR (for example), there are 2 kinds of songs in my mind, "Great" & Better"! But I do have some I like more than others. There are only maybe 2/3 songs on all of Joni's records I absolutely don't care for - and even that may change in time! <> And I'll add the live version of U2's "Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" to that list... Bob NP: The Pretenders, "Stop Your Sobbing" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:26:09 -0500 From: chloe Subject: Re: hello.. >Welcome, Chloe! And hats off to your Mom for exposing you to those good Joni >sounds! Do you have all the CD's? Which is your favorite? > thankyou :) Unfortunately I don't have all the albums. But I do have most of them. My favourite is definitely Blue. And my favourite songs from that album are All I Want, and California, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:28:41 -0500 From: Lisa Peakes Subject: Garrison Reads Joni Hello, Joni friends Garrison Keillor's "Writer's Almanac" for next Wednesday April 7th, will have a reading of what he calls "A poem by Joni Mitchell" - it's "For Free" (!) He sounds a little stiff. "Writer's Almanac" airs on many public radio stations across the country. People air it at different times. Check your local listings for details :) Lisa Peakes, Morning Host/Producer, Vermont Public Radio 20 Troy Avenue Colchester, VT 05446 ph:802-654-4351, fax:802-655-2997, e-mail:lpeakes@vpr.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:42:16 -0400 From: Durfee/Barosky Subject: Re: hello.. You are lucky chloe, and I am so impressed that you are so into joni for the simple fact that for folks of your generation this is pretty old music, from before you were born. I've tried to convince my little 21 year old half sister to get into Joni, after all she loves Sara Mc Lachlan, etc., but in her eyes I may as well be trying to turn her on to Doris Day, because there is 16 years between us and I just don't have the hipness quotient happenin' anymore lurkin' lisa d ny where gas is at $1.25/gal NP: sixpence .... chloe wrote: > >Welcome, Chloe! And hats off to your Mom for exposing you to those good Joni > >sounds! Do you have all the CD's? Which is your favorite? > > > > thankyou :) > Unfortunately I don't have all the albums. But I do have most of them. > My favourite is definitely Blue. > And my favourite songs from that album are All I Want, and California, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:01:45 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: hello.. Chloe said: <> That's cool, and you're so young you can take your time in discovering each of them... I probably could've guessed that 'Blue' was your favorite. Around here, when a guy's talkin' about "good ol' Blue" he's referring to his huntin' dawg, but to the fairer sex it means this record...(don't get me wrong, I love it, but it seems to speak more to females than males, whereas Hejira and her other work seems to be more universal) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:32:42 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Mr No-NJC speaks (NJC) Lori wrote: >Regarding the Gas Rebellion email, I view it as a good source of NJC political >debate, which you guys all know I adore...There's always the good old >delete >and scroll ... It'd be a lot easier to scroll through if all the kazillion headers had been deleted before it was sent. Humph. :) Best, ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:51:29 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: another Joni list I was doing some surfing a couple of weeks ago at Onelist.com (because I had joined a "joke of the day" list at that sight. In the search field I thought I'd put Joni's name in just to see............sure enough........it brought up JoniMitchellfans and the list had just started about 3 months ago. I thought what the hell, let me explore this list just to see what it's about. Well, there's only about 25 members, but they are devoted fans of Joni. With such few members, you can imagine that there aren't many posts, but I was just curious if any of you had heard of this. I would never leave JMDL, because you people are so great and interesting. I'm going to post on their list about the JMDL. There can never be too many fans of JM!!!!! Jimmy (I'm channeling all my thoughts to you Wally!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:47:59 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Gas Rebellion (NJC) more power to tou and pubic transportation lori but i don"t live in argentina or europe, in any case its not hard to tell a massive RIP OFF when its on top of you and i cant stand just rolling over for the program. in any case i'll expect postcards of scantilly clad women from all of your itinerary. love you mean it. Chri$ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:37:22 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Gas Rebellion hats off to don rowe and yes your rite i havent been digesting the digest as maybe as well as i should but this PETROLEUM RIP OFF effects a lot more of us than some random prize chase. hope some1 gets a tan out of the deal. appreciate the consideration and I apologize for any ruffling of feathers. Chri$ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:04:14 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: another Joni list Jimmy says: <> Amen to that, although it's hard to believe that if they're really devoted fans they haven't checked out JM.com and discovered this one. Wally website was one of the first things I checked out after I got online...or maybe they heard there were too many wiseguys on this one ;~) But hey, it's like a hottub...the more the merrier!! Bob NP: Pete Townshend, "Empty Glass" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:15:06 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: The dreggs I LOVE. Of course this may be giving away my personal maverick nature but I keep seeing all the songs I love placed in the discard bin on everyones face list. Songs of Ageing Children, Dawntreader, Pirate of Penance (on almost everyones out list for STAS), Nothing Can be Done, Sire of Sorrow, and even No Apologies off TTT. There are more. What does this mean. Well I think it means that Jonis music is so universal and appealing that people of diametrically opposed tastes can all get off on some part or aspect of it. Which is really special and great. Everyone can find inspiration. To my mind as a song writer many of the songs people are placing in the discard bin are some of the most creative songs she has ever done (like Dawntreader). You just dont come up with ideas and haunting melodies in unique time rhythms easily. In fact it is so rare that many writers NEVER get to do that while Joni does it every album seemingly. TTT seemed like one of her poorer efforts when I first listened to it. Ive been playing TTT every day in my car listening to it either on the way or coming home. Its so much better than my first impression was. One of the songs I didnt think much of was No Apologies. Now its almost my favorite. Thats why I listen many times before I form an opinion because thats the way music works. So glad this thread was started. Its so much fun delving into the different opinions of the members of the list. fascinating. At Peace with my apparrent poor taste. Marcel Deste. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:06:33 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC - Another request for UK info Joniphiles - Does anyone happen to have access to the phone and fax numbers for Melody Maker Magazine? Reply privately if so. Much obliged... Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:27:45 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: I'm new, too! From: "raymond" To: Greetings to Chloe and all, Thought I'd follow in your footsteps and introduce myself, also! My name is Cathy and I'm from the central coast of California, tho I'm temporarily in Oregon where I have learned a new word for the constant bad weather here..."STORMTRAIN"... and don't try and steal it, I've ALREADY written the song! Anyway, Chloe, what in the world must it have been like to grow up listening to Joni..I discovered her at your age via my college roommate who wore velvet, popped in turquoise contacts to make her eyes the most amazing color you've ever seen, and had a guitar. She turned me on to "CLOUDS" and in about one week going to class was the last thing on my mind. All I could think about was braiding leaves and wildflowers in my hair, tuning a guitar to the wind, wearing india print stuff and looking for a lover to write songs about........all of which I did after dropping out and moving to southern california!! (that's enouph for one installment, don't you think?) Did Joni's music alter anyone else's destiny? Cathy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:25:00 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Most/Least List Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:16:55 -0800 From: Russell Bowden Interesting choices, you guys. OK, my turn, STAS: Most, Sisowtowbell Lane, Cactus Tree Least, Marcie C Most, That Song About the Midway Least, The Fiddle and the Drum LOTC Most, Conversation, Rainy Night House Least, Blue Boy (what the hell is it??) B Most, All I Want, Carey, This Flight Tonight Least, None of 'em. FTR Most, Electricity, Cold BSASF Least, Lesson in Survival/Let the Wind Carry Me C&S Most, All of Side One LP format!! (it flows for me) Least, Just Like This Train MOA Most, Love or Money Least, Carey HOSL Most, Boho Dance, Sweet Bird Least, Shadows and Light Hejira Most, Everything Least, Nothing DJRD Most, Title track, Cotton Ave, O&M Least, Talk to Me M Most, Dry Cleaner, Wolf That Lives in Lindsey Least, The rest S&L Never owned!!!! Spare me!!!!! WTRF Most, All of it!! DED Most, Shiny Toys, Lucky Girl Least, Not sure CMIAR Most, Corrina, Corrina Least, Dancin' Clown (What a stinker!) NRH Two Grey Rooms, NRH, Slouching, Cherokee Louise, Passion Play Least, The Windfall TI So far, I haven't heard this one. It's one of those "deny yourself what you want the most" kind of things. I will get it. I just like knowing there's one out there that will open a new floodgate of Joni worship anytime I really need it*. Sort of like saving one Christmas present to open the next summer. (It's OK, folks, I am under a doctor's care!!) *For example: A couple of nights ago, I dusted off my earphones and slapped on LOTC. I rarely use the headset, cause I think I would go mad with musical ecstasy if I used them all the time. Anyway, (does anyone really care about this?) I could only listen to the first 6 songs (Side 1) before I had to rip the phones off. It was from sheer, profound admiration and delight at what I was hearing. I couldn't finish the CD because it was like hearing LOTC for the first time and my music receptors were just shooting sparks. They would have had to drag me off to the music overdose emergency room and listen to me raving and drooling about apples and cheeses. So, if I can still react to LOTC like it's the first time, after listening to it for over 20 years, I think I would have to be locked in a padded room for Turbulent Indigo. But I digress......... Hits: Urge for Going TTT Most, Harlem in Havana, Love Puts on a New Face, Taming the Tiger Least, Lead Balloon (way down there with Dancin' Clown!!) Thanks for the therapy. Love, Russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:25:13 -0500 From: "Barnicle, Kathryn" Subject: NO VIDEO!!! (JC) AAAAARGGHH!!!!! NOONE HAS THE NEW JM VIDEO ON THE CAPE. NOONE, NOT EVEN BORDERS! Borders said that they have one (one??) on order but it won't be in for another week or so. What is going on? Has anyone had this problem or are there just no Joni fans on Cape Cod? I was hoping to watch it this weekend, but no luck! I guess I will have to clean the house or something instead. Very upset on the Cape, Katie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:34:02 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: list content (NJC) P. Henry writes: > a warning of sorts... bob, be careful about expressing your opinion re: > list content because I can tell you from experience, if some don't agree > with you it will mean that you will be treated rather coldly and > disregarded by many... and: > my advice? drop it bob... or you will be accused of dictating... you > will be insulted... and your words will be twisted into things you never > said! mark my words... Yes, Bob, Pat (or should that be the Oracle of Oceania?) is quite right; but, on the bright side, you could then develop a martyr complex (which posts like this will probably further, but oh well) about the whole thing and continue to flog the issue at every opportunity (although we hope that you, Bob, will remember to label posts in which you do so "NJC"). My two cents on the male/female admonishment; Kakki's post came out of left field for me too, but I found it immediately obvious (in a kind of "HOW could I have missed that??" way) that she is *so* absolutely right. I *can* think of recent (and not-recent) examples of the kind of male-to-female admonishment she means, too (though it obviously wouldn't be tactful to rehash them). I also think the fact that several women have agreed with Kakki while several men have disagreed should tell us something -- it *is* something to think about. Thanks for pointing out, Kakki. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:55:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: NO VIDEO!!! (JC) I got mine in the mail yesterday, which is supposed to be 2 weeks before general release. Jerry On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Barnicle, Kathryn wrote: > AAAAARGGHH!!!!! NOONE HAS THE NEW JM VIDEO ON THE CAPE. NOONE, NOT EVEN > BORDERS! Borders said that they have one (one??) on order but it won't be > in for another week or so. What is going on? Has anyone had this problem > or are there just no Joni fans on Cape Cod? I was hoping to watch it this > weekend, but no luck! I guess I will have to clean the house or something > instead. > > Very upset on the Cape, > Katie > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:13:12 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Gas Rebellion (NJC) Jerry wrote: > When gasoline is at 3 or 4 dollars a gallon, as > it has been in Europe for most of the last twenty years, > then maybe we will finally stop running around in our big wheel trucks > with one passenger. Maybe. Doubtful, though, as we will probably just bomb whatever OPEC country is deemed "responsible" for the high prices. I cannot stand the sight of big gas guzzlers, especially Suburban (assault vehicles) and the like. The Lincoln Navigator absolutely makes my skin crawl. Lori in San Antonio, Texas, the state with far more big trucks than ranches upon which to drive them ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:20:24 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Gas Rebellion (NJC) Chri$ wrote: > asked my cousin in new jersey and they are STILL paying .85 cents a gallon > for regular still . can you say , ''RIP ME OFF"? Chri$. When I lived in South Jersey in 1983, gas was always less expensive there than anywhere else in the vicinity. Which I think is fair, since so much else in New Jersey (especially auto insurance) is ridiculously expensive. Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:22:51 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: another Joni list Bob wrote: > Amen to that, although it's hard to believe that if they're really > devoted fans they haven't checked out JM.com and discovered this one. > Wally website was one of the first things I checked out after I got > online...or maybe they heard there were too many wiseguys on this one > ;~) Or maybe they don't allow *ANY* NJC! Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:37:25 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Gas Rebellion (NJC) You should try paying $4.80 per gallon for petrol as we do here-and that is only for unleaded and at discount prices. colin-in his house and loving the peace and quiet. The local newspaper's lead stories this week: Freezers break down in Sainsbury's suypermarket for 27 hrs and teenager fined for having $10 worth of hash on him when stopped in Market Square. It is not just quiet but DARK!!! at night. No big city lights. LRFye@aol.com wrote: > Chri$ wrote: > > > asked my cousin in new jersey and they are STILL paying .85 cents a gallon > > for regular still . can you say , ''RIP ME OFF"? Chri$. > > When I lived in South Jersey in 1983, gas was always less expensive there > than anywhere else in the vicinity. Which I think is fair, since so much > else in New Jersey (especially auto insurance) is ridiculously expensive. > > Lori > San Antonio - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:24:54 -0800 From: "raymond" Subject: I'm new, too! Greetings to Chloe and all, Thought I'd follow in your footsteps and introduce myself, also. My name is Cathy and I'm from the central coast of California, tho I'm temporarily in Oregon where I have learned a new word for the rediculous weather this winter..."STORMTRAIN"...but, before you get any ideas, I've already written the song! (LOL) Anyway, Chloe, I can't imagine what it must've been like to grow up listening to Joni. I was your age when I first discovered her, via my college roommate (named Laurel) who wore velvet, popped in turquoise contacts to make her eyes the most amazing color you've ever seen, and played the guitar. She turned me on to "CLOUDS" and in about one week going to class was the last thing on my mind... all I could think about was braiding wildflowers and leaves through my hair, tuning my guitar to the wind, wearing india print stuff and looking for a lover to write songs about...all of which I did after dropping out (not wise) and moving to southern California! (that's enough for one installment, don't you think?) Question: did Joni's music alter anyone else's destiny? Cathy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:41:55 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: The dreggs I LOVE. Marcel wrote: > Of course this may be giving away my personal maverick > nature but I keep seeing all the songs I love placed in the > discard bin on everyones face list. Songs of Ageing Children, > Dawntreader, Pirate of Penance (on almost everyones out > list for STAS), Nothing Can be Done, Sire of Sorrow, and > even No Apologies off TTT. Marcel, you maverick, you! ; ) I think it's slightly incorrect to use the words "out list." There's a difference between wanting to throw a song "out" and saying it's a "least favorite." I can't really think of a single song of Joni's that I would cast out (or off) of an album. What (pleasantly) surprised me was seeing at least two people mention Ethiopia as their fave on DED! Lori, who has always loved Pirates of Penance and who thinks it would make a fine short theatre piece San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:55:20 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Songs That Stop Me In My Tracks (was: most/least fave) Evian wrote: > I love these little polls, since they allow you > to learn about other people (and make you snort at the screen and mutter > "they actually LOVE that song over the other one??). My main criteria for saying a particular Joni song a real favorite is whether it causes me to HAVE TO STOP whatever else I'm doing, crank up the volume, and just totally get into the song. Not all of the songs I listed as favorites make me do this, but here are some that do: Night In The City Rainy Night House Edith And The Kingpin Cotton Avenue (my 2nd fave on DJRD) Jericho (from DJRD) Two Grey Rooms Man From Mars This isn't to say that I don't get into other Joni songs, but I can generally go about my business while I'm listening to them. I just about cannot function in any capacity other than to pay attention to the music and lyrics when any of the above songs are playing. (And you know, there may be more!) Anyone else have a Joni song (or several) that just stops you in your tracks? Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:16:30 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: NO VIDEO!!! (JC) Does anybody know if the DVD version has been released? I pre-ordered mine a while back and haven't received it to date... - -- Phyliss, the paradise seeker http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward n.p. QVC TV on my computer. I'm such an obsessive and conspicuous consumer! "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" wrote: > I got mine in the mail yesterday, which is supposed to be 2 weeks before > general release. > > On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Barnicle, Kathryn wrote: > > > AAAAARGGHH!!!!! NOONE HAS THE NEW JM VIDEO ON THE CAPE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:20:15 -0800 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: NJC gas prices Gas prices in Northern Calif have risen faster in 5 WEEKS than in 5 years. The gas companies claim that recent accidents in refineries, the "spring gas" price increase and "other" market driven reasons. Gas went up 20-25% , even in rural areas such as Lake Co. Independent stations, who are normally the lowest have the highest prices now. The price up from premium at $1.59 to $2.09, with a .20 jump in two days. As much as I agree about public transportation, car pools etc, thses prices will increase even public transportation costs if the prices stay high. Add to that, the fact that most public transportation in the Bay Area is a joke. It boils down to the public paying for the companies mistakes, rather than the company paying for their mistakes. The costs have just shifted to the buying public and in a way that all consumers bear the brunt. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:09:40 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: NO VIDEO!!! (JC) At 02:25 PM 4/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >AAAAARGGHH!!!!! NOONE HAS THE NEW JM VIDEO ON THE CAPE. NOONE, NOT EVEN >BORDERS! Borders said that they have one (one??) on order but it won't be >in for another week or so. What is going on? Has anyone had this problem >or are there just no Joni fans on Cape Cod? I was hoping to watch it this >weekend, but no luck! I guess I will have to clean the house or something >instead. > Yes, Katie ... I've had the same problem in CT. The Borders store here said they were only going to get the video disc :-? I'm bummed out too. If I find any here I'll pick one up for you. Nice to have you back on the list, btw :-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:19:19 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re[2]: ("NJCNACTIMTFPIFAOGFTTH") WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! At 09:54 AM 4/1/99 -0500, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: >Like I said Kakki, this statement really took me by surprise. And I think >actually the reverse is true...not to say that females post >inappropriately, but rather that males are probably more agressive in >adressing something they percieve as inappropriate. Maybe females take more >of a "lighten up" approach, avoiding a potential conflict, while the male >of the species (even us sensitive 90's guy-types) are more direct in >stating our opposition. A Venus & Mars thing...? > >Bob > > Well .... maybe you *guys* should go work out, play some football or some such thing BEFORE responding to something that bothers you on this list. Men should be more aware of their testosterone levels. Oh, and Paul .... "Gatekeepers"!!!???? Oh come on now!!! Not on the JMDL! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:29:52 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: I'm new, too! In a message dated 4/2/99 3:47:08 PM Central Standard Time, Cathy writes: << I was your age when I first discovered her, via my college roommate (named Laurel) who wore velvet, popped in turquoise contacts to make her eyes the most amazing color you've ever seen, and played the guitar. She turned me on to "CLOUDS" and in about one week going to class was the last thing on my mind... all I could think about was braiding wildflowers and leaves through my hair, tuning my guitar to the wind, wearing india print stuff and looking for a lover to write songs about...all of which I did after dropping out (not wise) and moving to southern California! (that's enough for one installment, don't you think?) >> Hi & welcome, Cathy! Sounds like you've got some stories to tell! I'm ready for the next installment... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:27:31 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: another Joni list In a message dated 4/2/99 3:41:17 PM Central Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << Or maybe they don't allow *ANY* NJC! >> In that case, you and I better stay put here...:~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:37:11 -0800 From: "Davina Greenstein" Subject: Re: NO VIDEO!!! (JC) Phyliss wrote: Does anybody know if the DVD version has been released? I pre-ordered mine a >while back and haven't received it to date... >-- I just received my DVD copy today from CDNow and have to say that this is the worst packaging job I have ever seen on a DVD I have bought to date. It's the cheap cardboard packaging with a plain jane DVD. For as long as it took to put this baby out there, my expectations were much higher. I really thought they were going to do some sort of creative packaging. At any rate I'm looking forward to watching it tonight...FINALLY. Davina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:38:29 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs That Stop Me In My Tracks (was: most/least fave) In a message dated 4/2/99 5:05:17 PM Central Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << Anyone else have a Joni song (or several) that just stops you in your tracks? >> Blue Motel Room Strange Boy Judgement of The Moon & Stars Conversation Cotton Avenue (too) This presents a definite problem when I hear them in the car as I become hypnotized and cannot steer... Also, Tenth World & Dancin' Clown stop me in my tracks and make me push the "NEXT TRACK" button on the CD player... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 19:10:48 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: a boho goes to Chicago Hello everybody - My favorite magazine, Harpers, published a letter this month in response to one of their articles and it relates to a thread from a few weeks back. This reader writes: "Jonathan Dee's criticism of companies such as Apple Computers or Saturn for their sometimes shameless appropriation of figures and movements to help sell commodities illustrates a particular asceticism common among artists, especially those who are less successful. Joni Mitchell referred to this phenomenon as the "Boho Dance"; i.e., the self-congratulatory dance of the bohemian artists who make a virtue of failure, rebaptizing it as the renunciation of Mammon and worldly success. All artists who succeed in being heard or seen in their lifetime are virtually without exception relentless self-promoters. They are masters of selling themselves to their editors, critics, talent agents, and, of course, the public. Dee is much mistaken in believing that fame is not a principal or value; it is often the highest value of successful artists. Andy Warhol was famous as a salesman of his canvasses; Dali was a shameless promoter, as were Leonardo Da Vinci and Jean-Paul Sartre. Dee gives credence to the artists carefully constructed myth they are "not of this world". They most certainly are. They are filled with the same greed, the same ambition, the same desires as advertising executives and lawyers. Artists simply sublimate (and disguise) their drives for the sake of their own mythology. What Dee actually finds most objectionable about art in advertising is that concept that he so firmly believes; namely, that artists create for disinterested reasons." Me writing: though this man or woman has a point, he neglects the idea of artistic integrity, of wanting to succeed on your own terms and make a genuine, heartfelt expression. Joni is the best example -- she won't do concerts where she simply becomes a "juke box" of her famous hits, but sings the songs that are important to her now. Her records may have a tune on them that is intended to be a "hit" that promotes the album, but otherwise she makes the music she wants to. I was struck with this last night listening to TTT which in the end, is a very original and strange sounding album and quite unlike its predecessors or anything else. I would agree that Joni can self-promote, and has done so successfully which is why she pops up on Leno and the radio, etc. With the self-enlightened interest of a self-promoter, I hope the list will excuse me as I write to tell them that my play SELF HELP opens in Chicago this June for those in the area. It was a very well received and popular show here in Los Angeles, and I have no idea what the Chicago production will be like, but the most frequent word used by the LA Critics was "hilarious" and it got only positive reviews. I will be there for the previews, and I'd love to meet some Chi-town Joniphiles. The play (as is) has some Joni content and is completely informed by what I think is our mutual sensibility. It also is very autobiographical, confessional and the best thing I've ever written. Hope you can come see it! It will most likely have some full frontal nudity because that, I'm afraid, is what really helps to make a play commercial. Have a great weekend! Self-promotingly, Clark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:24:47 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Favorites/Least Favorites OK, now this has taken me a few days to finish - what an impossible task! But I'd also like to add that it was very interesting, in that it made me realise there are NO Joni songs that I really don't like! A bold statement, but true, none the less! If anything, those songs I've listed as my least favourite have been selected more for the emotions they conjure up, rather than any other reason. And I actually found it more difficult to select my most favourite from each album - I spent a long time playing two or three tracks over and over again, in order to make a final decision! I also managed to cheat a bit with the compilation/live albums, because I was able to effectively select two or three songs from the same album. Hey there are no rules, here! Completing this list has also prompted me to do something I've been planning for ages - make a compilation of my favourite song from each album! I've also noticed that most of the most/least favourite lists seem to be quite different from each other, mine included - which just goes to show the myriad of personalities we have on the JMDL - no wonder the discussions get heated! Anyway, here are my picks: Songs to a Seagull Most - Night in the City - Still's bass gets me every time (my next favourite artist to Joni) Least - Michael From Mountains Clouds Most - That Song About the Midway Least - The Fiddle and the Drum Ladies From the Canyon Most - Conversation Least - The Circle Game Blue Most - This Flight Tonight / River - sorry, I just couldn't choose! Least - My Old Man For the Roses Most - For the Roses Least - Banquet Court and Spark Most - Car on a Hill Least - Trouble Child Miles of Aisles Most - Love or Money Least - Both Sides Now Hissing of Summer Lawns Most - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Least - Sweet Bird Hejira Most - Refuge of the Roads Least - Blue Motel Room Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Most - Jericho Least - The Tenth World Mingus Most - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines Least - The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey Shadows and Light Most - Amelia Least - Don's Solo Wild Things Run Fast Most - Chinese Cafe - Unchained Melody Least - (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care Dog Eat Dog Most - Good Friends Least - Smokin' (Empty, Try Another) Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm Most - The Reoccurring Dream Least - The Beat of Black Wings Night Ride Home Most - Two Grey Rooms Least - Ray's Dad's Cadillac Turbulent Indigo Most - The Magdalene Laundries Least - Yvette in English Hits Most - Urge For Going Least - Both Sides, Now Misses Most - Hejira Least - Impossible Dreamer Taming the Tiger Most - Tiger Bones Least - Taming the Tiger - a bit of a contradiction to the most favourite from this album, but although I absolutely love the melody, I just don't like the "Kitty, Kitty" line! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 19:28:17 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs That Stop Me In My Tracks (was: most/least fave) In a message dated 4/2/99 6:04:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << Anyone else have a Joni song (or several) that just stops you in your tracks? >> Song For Sharon would be on my list and..A Case of You. I'm almost reluctant to send this as I know there will be 10 more I wished I'd added. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 19:42:37 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Calling all boomers (NJC) Okay, Jerry, these are the ones I can't remember or never knew ... > QUESTION #7: "You'll wonder where the yellow went, ______ _____ _______ > ______._______ ______ _________________" > QUESTION #20: In the movie, The Graduate, young Benjamin, played by > Dustin > Hoffman, was counseled about his future, and told to consider one thing: > > _______________. > QUESTION #21: In another movie, Paul Newman played Luke, a ne'r do well > who was sent to a prison camp for cutting off the heads of parking > meters > with a pipe cutter. When he was captured after an unsuccessful attempt > to > escape, the camp used this experience as a lesson for the other > prisoners, > and explained, "What we have here, ___ ___ _____________ __ > _______________________." > QUESTION #22: In 1962, a dejected politician chastised the press after > losing a race for governor while announcing his retirement from > politics. > "Just think, you won't have ________ ____________ to kick around any > more." > QUESTION #23: "Every morning, at the mine, you could see him arrive; He > stood six foot, six and weighed 245. Kinda broad at the shoulder, and > narrow at the hip. And everybody knew you didn't give no lip, ___ _____ > ____." > QUESTION #24: "I found my thrill, _____ ' ____________ _______________." > > (sung by _______________.) I know the end of the verse, but WHO performed the song? (I can hear the voice in my head ...) Lori, feeling every bit of 40 in San Antonio NPIMH: That voice ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 19:40:51 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites/Least Favorites In a message dated 4/2/99 6:31:14 PM Central Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << I've also noticed that most of the most/least favourite lists seem to be quite different from each other, mine included - which just goes to show the myriad of personalities we have on the JMDL - no wonder the discussions get heated! Anyway, here are my picks: Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm Most - The Reoccurring Dream Least - The Beat of Black Wings >> Nice preface Helen, and so true...this was an interesting pick as "Beat of Black Wings" was the leader in the "most" category...like they say in SC, "Girl, you just ain't right" :~D Just joking, of course! Bob NP: Yes, "Roundabout" (Wonder what'd happen on mescaline to *this* record, Don?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 19:02:29 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Songs That Stop Me In My Tracks (was: most/least fave) Geez, I think all of them do. Last Time I Saw Richard, DJRD, Silky Veils of Ardor, Cactus Tree... AYKTMBM! ;) Mark, in humid Illinois NPIMH-Weezer-Buddy Holly At 5:55 PM -0500 4/2/99, LRFye@aol.com wrote: >Anyone else have a Joni song (or several) that just stops you in your tracks? Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark "This conformity factory is now closed!" -Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:22:15 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Calling all boomers (NJC) In a message dated 4/2/99 7:46:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << > QUESTION #7: "You'll wonder where the yellow went, ______ _____ _______ > ______._______ ______ _________________" When you rush your teeth with Pepsodent. > QUESTION #20: In the movie, The Graduate, young Benjamin, played by > Dustin > Hoffman, was counseled about his future, and told to consider one thing: > > _______________. Plastics > QUESTION #21: In another movie, Paul Newman played Luke, a ne'r do well > who was sent to a prison camp for cutting off the heads of parking > meters > with a pipe cutter. When he was captured after an unsuccessful attempt > to > escape, the camp used this experience as a lesson for the other > prisoners, > and explained, "What we have here, ___ ___ _____________ __ > _______________________." is a failure to communicate." > QUESTION #22: In 1962, a dejected politician chastised the press after > losing a race for governor while announcing his retirement from > politics. > "Just think, you won't have ________ ____________ to kick around any > more." Dick Nixon > QUESTION #23: "Every morning, at the mine, you could see him arrive; He > stood six foot, six and weighed 245. Kinda broad at the shoulder, and > narrow at the hip. And everybody knew you didn't give no lip, ___ _____ > ____." > QUESTION #24: "I found my thrill, _____ ' ____________ _______________." > > (sung by _______________.) On Blueberry Hill. by Fats Domino I know the end of the verse, but WHO performed the song? (I can hear the voice in my head ...) >> Paul Ivice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:11:51 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Most/Least I guess I sorta understand why so many people don't like "Lead Balloon" (though I like it), but I was surprised that the least favorite on Miles of Aisles was usually the Calypso influenced reworking of "Carey". RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:18:01 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Calling all boomers (NJC) In a message dated 4/2/99 6:47:20 PM Central Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << > QUESTION #23: "Every morning, at the mine, you could see him arrive; He > stood six foot, six and weighed 245. Kinda broad at the shoulder, and > narrow at the hip. And everybody knew you didn't give no lip, ___ _____ > ____." >> "To Big John"...as sung by Jimmy Dean.... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #139 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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