From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #136 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, April 1 1999 Volume 04 : Number 136 Joni the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: That extra chord or two... (Amelia) [Howard Wright ] Re: Stormy cd ["P. Henry" ] Tom's gig (NJC) [Thomas Ross ] glossary [Thomas Ross ] Re[2]: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.] Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! [Jerry Notaro ] Big Yellow Taxi/Friends [JAN201@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! [IVPAUL42@aol.com] where is the Gorge, George WA? (NJC) [Robbert ] RE: Big Yellow Taxi/Friends [patrick leader ] Re: Re[2]: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! [Phyliss Ward ] This Month in Joni History - April [This Month in Joni History ] Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! [LRFye@aol.com] Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Favorites/Least Favorites [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Stormy cd ["P. Henry" ] Re: Stormy cd ["P. Henry" ] Fwd: Most/Least [Ginamu@aol.com] Oberlin TTT review [David Wright ] Re: Fwd: Most/Least [Mark or Travis ] Re David Lahm's helpful Miles Davis and jazz hints [Bounced Message Subject: Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com complained that Phyliss wrote: <> Stating: <> I don't mean to interrupt the sorrow, Bob, but when you really think about it, all email is spam. I mean we're all selling something (whether it be an opinion or a free trip to paradise). How many seconds does it take to scroll past uninteresting posts on a digest? And how many seconds does it take to delete uninteresting email in general? I don't know about you but it only takes me a few extra seconds. When NJC is included in the subject line how can we possibly complain? Personally I like these kinds of posts. Thanx for the excitement, Phyliss! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 04:10:57 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: stormy weather CD jeffosborne@juno.com wrote: <> Now here's some spam I can use! THANK YOU JEFF! A: Good question! But I don't see any comparison between Serb ethnic cleansing and US border policies. E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:28:55 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: That extra chord or two... (Amelia) On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Phil Klein wrote: > >It may be that Joni just emphasises some of the top open strings > >more than she does on the original, so this could come across as an > >extra chord? > > No, I think its definitely an extra chord change. I had another > look/listen last night, and there's definitely a shift in her hands > up the fretboard before the 5th bar chord, but the camera always > tends to pan out at this point. I had a play around on the guitar, > and suggest these shapes: > > 000000 02h01h00 040300 555555 575655 > > So the extra chord is 040300 > I had another listen. I think she plays something like: 000000 222100 444300 555555 etc (which is what Jim reckoned she played too) which is, I'm fairly sure, what she plays on the original. The basic chord shapes are the same I think, it may be that she gives different emphasis to the lower or upper strings, which gives it a different sound. > And then, Jim said: > > >I've also noticed this "extra" chord in recent live versions of > >Amelia. According to my study of the song, the first three chords of > >the intro are: > > >222100 444300 555555 > Is this not what she plays on the studio version? The main difference between live and studio version, to my ear, is at the end of the verses on lines such as "it was the hexagram of the heavens, it was the strings on my guitar". She uses quite a different chord progression on the live version compared to the studio track. I have to say, I prefer the studio version! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 02:25:05 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Stormy cd jerry wrote: "I asked them to send it to me so I could try out their service, and they did." the cd can also be ordered online here: http://order.worldnet.att.net/att/att_template19.asp pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:59:24 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Tom's gig (NJC) Hi y'all. I'll be playing all new stuff this Saturday at the Eighth Step in Albany, 14 Willett St (corner of State at Washington Park), at 8 pm, with singer-songwriter Vince Mancino. Although based as always in jazz, the new material draws on poets such as Neruda, Dickinson, and Merwin. Indian and African rhythms and tonal habits also figure. I'll also play mbira ('thumb piano') of the Shona of Zimbabwe and Indian tambura to show some of those roots. Here's the beginning of 'The Fishing Song': In the woods a friend was fishing line was quiet, had no bait question in my mind was rising when it rose, he answered Wait Hope some of you in the vicinity can make it. It'd mean a lot to me. For more info call (518) 372-2611 or email. Also: www.barncard.com/cormack-ross.html. best Tom Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:04:12 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: glossary yes; sometimes it's good to leave it ambiguous. Of course even in print the lyrics can have vastly different interpretations. And it's nice, sometimes, to treasure the lyrics themselves (as I do with Joni) on the page, rather like the graphics. TR ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`). (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (il).-'' (li).' ((!.-' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:15:26 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! Eric responds: <> Big disagreement on this point, Eric. (and NO sorrow, btw; I'm much too happy-go-lucky for that) Is a phone call from a friend or relative the same as a call from someone wanting to sell me some "deal"? No. Is an editorial in a magazine or newspaper the same as an advertisement? No. Is a post detailing someone's opinion on a Joni subject or any other subject for that matter the same as someone asking me to call an 800 number to answer a survey and qualify for a trip to Hawaii? Of course not! I guess I look at the JMDL as an oasis, one of the few (in my world anyway) that doesn't exist for commerce...the sharing of opinions, ideas, cultures etc, NOT to make a sale or further one's private agenda but rather to enhance personal knowledge and growth. Besides, I can safely say that I have *been* enlightened much more than I've enlightened others by this exchange...so I'm not "selling" as much as I'm "buying"... <> Yes, you're right, and it only takes the same amount of time to hang up on a telemarketer...or close the door on a Jehovah's witness...but what a wonderful world it would be if I didn't *have* to deal with them in the FIRST place...and that's why I responded to what I saw as not just NJC (which this is *NOT* about btw; we've criss-crossed that bridge too many times before) but rather as a blatant NJC sales/promotional pitch. I chose to post my message to the list instead of privately in the hopes of discouraging any other Amway, Shak-Lee, Herbalife, Girl Scout Cookie, etc. distributors from thinking that this discussion list is an OK place to market their product. After all, silence=acceptance. I suppose it's just the "Capitalist" in us that wants to use everything we come in contact with as a way to make money. <> In a civil manner, which I hope I have done. <> And I must be the only one who doesn't since no one else seems to object. So when Ed McMahon shows up at your doorstep with that big-ass check, you can have the last laugh! :~) Bob NP: Crash Test Dummies "Here I Stand Before Me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:17:37 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > > And I must be the only one who doesn't since no one else seems to object. Not so, Bob. I agree with you 100%. I don't want to offend anyone, but I felt the post inappropriate. Jerry Carousel - 1994 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:01:43 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Stormy cd "P. Henry" wrote: > jerry wrote: > "I asked them to send it to me so I could try out their service, and they did." > > the cd can also be ordered online here: > > http://order.worldnet.att.net/att/att_template19.asp > > pat > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Thanks, Pat. I've had a flurry of requests! Jerry np: Steve Cohen - Silent Too Long ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:01:42 EST From: JAN201@aol.com Subject: Big Yellow Taxi/Friends Hi guys~ I dropped off the list last November, not out of lack of interest, but for lack of time. I'm back (at least temporarily) because I bought a new CD last week and I'm looking for information about it. Where better to look than here? The CD is Big Yellow Taxi, Friends Mix (or something like that). What is it? Where did it come from? I don't watch the TV show, is it related? There are three really nice tracks on it and and a lot of disco junk that I don't care for. But for three bucks it was a real bargain! This was probably discussed to death ages ago, but I missed it. But, c'mon, at least I'm not asking about Jackson Brown! Thanks, and happy spring! Jan in Hoboken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:26:23 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! In a message dated 3/31/99 9:44:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << And I must be the only one who doesn't since no one else seems to object. So when Ed McMahon shows up at your doorstep with that big-ass check, you can have the last laugh! :~) Bob >> I agree with you, Bob. I think "solicitations" are inappropriate postings for this list. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:55:11 +0200 From: Robbert Subject: where is the Gorge, George WA? (NJC) Hi Listers! Can someone help me out? I will be coming over to California, Oregon and Washington this summer to see some of the Paul Simon/Bob Dylan gigs. I plan to visit the show at the Gorge in George WA, but I can't seem to find it in my Rand McNally Road Atlas of the USA, which, during the last 10 years, has never left me down but now... If someone could tell me where to look for it (nearest to which other place), that would be appreciated! Thank you! Best, Robbert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:07:28 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Re[2]: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! Bob wrote: >Is an editorial in a magazine or newspaper the same as an advertisement? No. It is the same in some ways in that the editorial is trying to sell a point of view, which the reader pays for in the currency of their time to read it. That investment may then benefit the seller in potential long-term return in promoting the seller's agenda through the reader's consequent investment in the seller's candidate, cause, etc. >I guess I look at the JMDL as an oasis, one of the few (in my world anyway) >that doesn't exist for commerce...the sharing of opinions, ideas, cultures >etc, NOT to make a sale or further one's private agenda but rather to >enhance personal knowledge and growth. I agree in theory that the JMDL should not be a place for non-Joni/music-related commerce, but I also think this is getting a little harsh on Phyliss. Are you trying to make an example out of her? Is that fair? She surely uses up far less bandwidth here on the list overall than most of us active posters. And while we are grinding axes, I'd like to throw in my 2 cents observation that the overwhelming majority of "admonishments" or "corrections" that come down the list here periodically are almost always from a male to a female listmember. If we look at this particular admonishment-to-transgression ratio, and assume that all those admonishments are valid, do we then assume that most of the "inappropriate" postings come from the females on the list? Something to ponder here at the Oasis. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:18:42 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Favorites/Least Favorites Here's a little variation on the "favorite/least favorite" routine. What are your picks per album? Mine would be: STAS Most: Night In the City Least: The Pirate of Penance Clouds Most: Chelsea Morning Least: Songs to Aging Children Come LOTC Most: Tough, but Conversation gets the nod over Woodstock Least: Blue Boy Blue Most: River Least: Last Time I saw Richard For The Roses Most: Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire Least: See You Sometime Court & Spark Most: Again, really tough as the whole record flows like one long great song, but I'll go with Down to You Least: Twisted, (but I still love it...) Miles of Aisles Most: Love or Money Least: Carey HOSL (Once again, wonderful flow makes for hard choices) Most: In France... Least: The Jungle Line Hejira (See above note) Most: All Least: None (OK I cheated on this one...sue me! It's without flaw in my book) DJRD Most: Cotton Avenue Least: The Tenth World Mingus (Raps don't count) Most: Sweet Sucker Dance Least: A Chair in the Sky Shadows & Light Most: Black Crow Least: Don's Solo WTRF Most: You Dream Flat Tires Least: You're so Square Dog Eat Dog Most: Ethiopia Least: Smokin' (Empty Try Another) CMIARS Most: Beat of Black Wings Least: Dancin' Clown Night Ride Home Most: Two Grey Rooms Least: Nothing Can Be Done Turbulent Indigo Most: Sunny Sunday Least: Turbulent Indigo Taming The Tiger Most: Harlem in Havana Least: Love Puts on a New Face It's a pretty exhausting exercise...anybody else wanna give it a go? Bob NP: Pink Floyd "Goodbye Cruel World" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:46:34 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[4]: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! Kakki writes: <> I'm certainly not trying to make an example of Phyliss and I realize that it was impossible to state my case without mildly hurting her feelings...I'm sorry to have done that. Phyliss has always been a great member of the community. I would have responded in the same manner regardless of who submitted the offer. And I don't think it's a question of how much bandwidth we use either but rather the nature of the usage. My intent was merely to discourage the use of this discussion group for mass-marketing efforts. Sure it's easier to ignore and delete, but I'd rather take a little stand and make my opinion heard than do that. After all, that's why most of us join this list I would imagine, for discussion...I've been admonished myself a time or two, and rightfully so. <> Boy, this one came out of left field! I haven't been keeping track, but from what I recall, there are more "admonishments" across sexual lines (straight vs. gay) than there are across gender lines. Since I'm a male though I suppose I wouldn't pick up on the male to female admonishment statistics. Of course, the good news is that at least the whole shebang has sparked a little bit of discussion! :~) Bob NP: Sheryl Crow "The Na-Na Song" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:54:24 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Favorites/Least Favorites My choices: > STAS > Most: Cactus Tree > Least: I Had A King > > Clouds > Most: Songs To Aging Children Come > Least: Tin Angel > > LOTC > Most: Oooh.... LOTC and The Circle Game > Least: Morning Morgantown > > Blue > Most: California > Least: My Old Man > > For The Roses > Most: Woman Of Heart And Mind > Least: Banquet > > Court & Spark > Most: Just Like This Train > Least: Car On A Hill > > Miles of Aisles > Most: Cold Blue Steel... > Least: Carey > > HOSL > Most: Don't Interrupt... > Least: In France... > > Hejira > Most: All > Least: None > > DJRD > Most: DJRD (The song to end all songs, IMHO) > Least: Otis & Marlena > > Mingus (Raps don't count) Fine! ;P > Most: Geez... God Must Be..., The Wolf..., Dry Cleaner... > Least: Sweet Sucker Dance (too sad for me) > > Shadows & Light > Most: Coyote > Least: Haven't had a good listen, so... > > WTRF > Most: Moon @ The Window > Least: You're So Square > > Dog Eat Dog > Most: None > Least: All > > CMIARS > Most: Cool Water/Corrina, Corrina > Least: Dancin' Clown > > Night Ride Home > Most: The Only Joy.../Come In From The Cold > Least: Two Grey Rooms > > Turbulent Indigo > Most: Turbulent Indigo > Least: Sire Of Sorrow > > Taming The Tiger > Most: Tiger Bones > Least: Man From Mars > That was fun! NP-tape fastforwarding Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark "This conformity factory is now closed!" -Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:30:21 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: Big Yellow Taxi/Friends hey jan, welcome back, i hope you'll stay. i believe the song was played on an episode of friends, that was the justification for a cd single. there was actually a 'friends' album. i kind of like the first remix (the friends album version), the minor key in some ways suits the lyrics better than the key the song was written in. the double espresso version is just fun to dance to. the prize for joniphiles, though, is the original version at the end, which doesn't include the vocal overdubs on the LOTC version. or something patrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:24:30 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! In a message dated 3/31/99 4:22:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << agree in theory that the JMDL should not be a place for non-Joni/music-related commerce, but I also think this is getting a little harsh on Phyliss. Are you trying to make an example out of her? Is that fair? She surely uses up far less bandwidth here on the list overall than most of us active posters. >> There is no logic to this argument. Taken to it's extension, it means that anyone who rarely posts, or just drops in, is free to make any kind of solicition he or she wants, as long as it is brief. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:56:01 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! Geez guys! And, er, you too Kakki, fellow female... ; - ) How nuts could I be! I mean actually thought you might enjoy going to Hawaii with me. I'd certainly like to go with you! I mean, I just figured if it was ok to post info on coupons for $5 off on cd's it would be ok to post info on a free trip to Paradise. Lighten up ok! - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:12:59 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Favorites/Least Favorites I don't usually participate in these threads, but some of Bob's picks had me startled - (Jungle Line, least?!?!) Here's mine: > STAS Most: Sisotowbell Lane Least: Pirates of P. > Clouds Most: That Song About the Midway Least: The Fiddle and the Drum > LOTC Most: Rainy Night House Least:The Arrangement > Blue Most: All I Want Least: Last Time I saw Richard > For The Roses Most:Banquet Least:Blonde in the Bleachers > Court & Spark Most: The Same Situation Least:Help Me > Miles of Aisles Most: Love or Money Least: Carey > HOSL (Once again, wonderful flow makes for hard choices) Most:The Jungle Line Least: Hissing of Summer Lawns > Hejira Most: Amelia Least: None > DJRD Most:Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Least: The Tenth World > Mingus (Raps don't count) Most:Wolf that Lives in Lindsey Least: Dry Cleaner from Des Moines > Shadows & Light Most:Dry Cleaner from Des Moines Least: Don's Solo > WTRF Most: Chinese Cafe Least: Man to Man > Dog Eat Dog Most:Dog Eat Dog Least: Smokin' (Empty Try Another) > CMIARS Most: Beat of Black Wings Least: Number One > Night Ride Home Most: Passion Play Least: The Windfall > Turbulent Indigo Most: Sire of Sorrow Least: How Do You Stop > Taming The Tiger Most:Love Puts on a New Face Least: Lead Balloon Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:35:00 -0700 From: This Month in Joni History Subject: This Month in Joni History - April 1970: The album "Ladies of the Canyon" is released 1974: The album "Court and Spark" is released 1976: This month's issue of Stereo Review features a good-sized article on Joni, saying: "Mitchell seems to be looking out at sociology more, without leaving the rough stuff of one-to-one relating unattended, and a good observer is a good observer. She seems now to be interested in the feel of Suburbia and what that does to a person, and she seems to be checking her tentative findings against what she had caught of the feel of Bohemia." Read the entire article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/76aprsr.htm 1976: This month's issue of Phonograph Record reviews a recent performance by Joni in Philadelphia, saying "Apart from the normal carping about how crummy it was for an artist of Joni Mitchell's sensitivity to be playing The Spectrum hockey rink, the crowd was unusually genial and eager." Read the entire article at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/PhonographRecord476.html 1978: Impressed by her recent release, jazz giant Charles Mingus, fighting Lou Gehrig's disease, contacts Joni to ask whether she would assist him on a project based on T.S. Eliot's "Four Quartets". It comes to nothing, but Mitchell agrees to write and sing lyrics to six melodies he has written, and begins work in her Regency Hotel apartment in New York. 1988: Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm makes #45 in the US and #26 in the UK. 1995: This month's issue of Vogue features an article on Joni, saying: "Not surprisingly, considering that she came of age in the counter culture of the sixties, Mitchell takes the long view on time: "A swami told me that in my last life I was a bird, that in the life before that I was an English gentleman, and before that an Arab rug merchant." Nonetheless, Mitchell, who looks forward to coming back as a monastic in her next life, resents the stigma attached to being 51 in this one." Read the entire article at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Vogue.html 1995 article: This month's issue of Mirabella Magazine features an article on Joni. In part, it reads "If you listen to any amount of pop music these days, you'll come to realize that, at fifty-one, Joni Mitchell is an enormously influential artist. Her style--using a confiding voice to mix autobiography with poetic imagery, deploying folk and orchestral arrangements in a pop setting where melodies expand beyond the standard verse-chorus-verse structure--can be heard in the work of many younger performers, from Tori Amos to Sheryl Crow. Sarah McLachlan's latest album, Fumbling Toward Ecstasy, is a virtual homage to Mitchell in the latter's Blue period." Read the entire article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/mira.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:28:32 +0100 From: Rob Jordan Subject: Re: Tom's album review(NJC) At 05:59 31/03/99 -0500, Thomas Ross wrote: >I'll be playing all new stuff this Saturday at the Eighth Step in Albany, >14 Willett St (corner of State at Washington Park), at 8 pm, with >singer-songwriter Vince Mancino. Hi Tom, I wish I could be there. I don't think anyone has pointed out that Tom's Cormack & Ross album was reviewed favourably by Sylvie Simmons in April's Mojo (UK music mag). Hope you sell a few copies in the UK on the strength of this! Best Rob CORMACK & ROSS Heart of Stone Intriguing 'lost' record from the '70s by duo with CSN and Grateful Dead connex. Odd one, this, but engaging: a male-female singing and guitar-playing duo whose distinctive sound - they add flute, sax, bass, sarod, percussion - straddles jazz, trad folk and world, the latter encompassing India, Indonesia, Africa and West Coast USA. The more dreamy, reflective tracks bring David Crosby to mind, so to find him fulsomely thanked in the linernotes led me to further investigation. Jody Cormack and Tom Ross - both students of Indian singing, Ross a jazz guitarist - recorded this in 1974, but the tapes lay hidden in a garae until recently. Crosby helped out on the writing side, loaned them his guitars and got Graham Nash to lend his studio, while the Grateful Dead's Phil Lesh donated a bass and Mickey Hart his rehearsal place. Engineer Steve Barncard, who's worked with the Dead and CSNY, produced - so either they had some serious friends or the hippy mentality was still going strong. The gentle, meditative stuff works better than the trad-folk or funky tracks; still, worth checking out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:14:48 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! I wrote: > Phyllis wrote: And of course I meant to write "Phyliss wrote:" Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:13:46 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! Phyllis wrote: > I mean, I just figured if it was ok to post info on coupons for $5 off on cd's it would be ok to post info on a free trip to Paradise. Lighten up ok! Bravo! Let's all light up -- oops, I mean lighten up, of course! Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:25:29 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites/Least Favorites In a message dated 3/31/99 4:24:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << STAS Most: Night In the City Least: The Pirate of Penance >> "I don't believe what you are saying"!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:46:57 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) WIN a FREE TRIP to HAWAII - REALLY! Ironically, I deleted Phyliss' post thinking it was AOL spam. It was only when Bob reacted to it that I became aware of it. I wonder if Phyliss lived next to Bob and over the fence told him about the free trip, if he would have reacted quite as strongly as he did in his post or if he would have simply said "no thanks" and gone on to discuss the weather. Just a thought. The internet *is* a tough place, sometimes tougher than the real world (so to speak), as I wouldn't dare react to my neighbors the way people sometimes do to each other on the net. That isn't to say he was rude, because he certaintly was not, but he did come on rather strong over something rather trivial, in MHO. Tss'it folks. Kakki wrote: And while we are grinding axes, I'd like to throw in my 2 cents observation that the overwhelming majority of "admonishments" or "corrections" that come down the list here periodically are almost always from a male to a female listmember. If we look at this particular admonishment-to-transgression ratio, and assume that all those admonishments are valid, do we then assume that most of the "inappropriate" postings come from the females on the list? Something to ponder here at the Oasis. I have noticed this also. Thank you for speaking up. Gina NP: The Beat Of Black Wings ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:16:32 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Stormy cd >badwolff@angelfire.com writes: > ><< the cd can also be ordered online here: > http://order.worldnet.att.net/att/att_template19.asp >> Ashara wrote: > >Pat, I wasn't able to get to it with that address.> ok, try this and then clik 'order cd'... that should work. *S* http://12.27.210.75/catalogWN/ pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:26:13 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Stormy cd ps - about that URL: after you clik 'order a cd' it may take quite a while to get the order form... and then, after you submit, it may take a long time to get back the thankyou message... you may want to try late nite or different times... looks like their server is pretty loaded. hope you can access it. *S* pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:17:59 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Most/Least This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_922929481_boundary Content-ID: <0_922929481@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 3/31/99 5:52:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ginamu writes: This *is* fun (thanks, Bob) STAS Most: Cactus Tree Least: The Pirate Of Penance CLOUDS Most: That Song About The Midway Least: Both Sides, Now LOTC Most: Rainy Night House Least: none BLUE Most: A Case Of You Least: none FTR Most:Woman Of Heart And Mind Least: none C & S Most: Just Like This Train Least: none THOSL Most: Shades Of Scarlett Conquering Least: none HEJIRA Most: Song For Sharon Least: none DJRD Most: Cotton Avenue and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Least: none MINGUS Most: God Must Be A Boogie Man Least: none SHADOWS AND LIGHT Most: Shadows And Light Least: Free Man In Paris WTRF Most: Chinese Cafe - Unchained Melody Least: You're So Square DED (I rather like the lyrics but the sound is hard for me to take) Most: Shiny Toys (dunno why) Least: most of the others CMIARS Most: A Bird That Whistles Least: Dancin' Clown NRH Most: all Least none TI Most: Sunny Sunday and The Sire Of Sorrow Least: How Do You Stop TTT Most: Taming The Tiger and Tiger Bones Least: Lead Balloon Gina (left out Miles of Isles, which for some Godforsaken reason never made it into my collection... but soooooooon, sooooooon). NP: My Secret Place (second time around tonight for CMIAR) - --part0_922929481_boundary Content-ID: <0_922929481@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Ginamu@aol.com Return-path: To: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Most/Least Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:52:50 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This *is* fun (thanks Bob) STAS Most: Cactus Tree Least: The Pirate Of Penance CLOUDS Most: That Song About The Midway Least: Both Sides, Now LOTC Most: Rainy Night House Least: none BLUE Most: A Case Of You Least: none FTR Most:Woman Of Heart And Mind Least: none C & S Most: Just Like This Train Least: none THOSL Most: Shades Of Scarlett Conquering Least: none HEJIRA Most: Song For Sharon Least: none DJRD Most: Cotton Avenue and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Least: The Silky Veils Of Ardor MINGUS Most: God Must Be A Boogie Man Least: The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey NRH Most: all Least none TI Most: Sunny Sunday and The Sire Of Sorrow Least: Not To Blame TTT Most: Taming The Tiger and Tiger Bones Least: Lead Balloon - --part0_922929481_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:01:28 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Oberlin TTT review (unfortunately very short) From the new Oberlin Folk Club Newsletter (its only album review) JONI MITCHELL: TAMING THE TIGER "Joni Mitchell's most recent album Taming the Tiger is her twentieth, following a thirty-year recording career. Ms. Mitchell's music has often been difficult to classify because she has been influenced by so many different genres of music, including folk and jazz. She has once again created a new style for herself. On Taming the Tiger, Mitchell achieves a new, lighter, ringing sound on her Parker Fly electric guitar. "Ten well-crafted songs make up Taming the Tiger. My personal favorite is 'Man From Mars', a ballad about love lost. What makes it so good is its eerie, enchanting sound, along with lyrics that seem to flow right out of the music: 'I call and call/The silence is so full of sounds/ You're in them all/I hear you in the water/And the wiring in the walls/Man from Mars/This time you went too far.' The album itself also looks great, with twelve absolutely stunning paintings by Mitchell herself. "For a full listing of Joni Mitchell's albums check out: www.jonimitchell.com." BTW, the latest (April) issue of Mojo has a positive review of JMDLer Tom Ross's album which he's mentioned here, _Horse of Stone_. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:13:10 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Fwd: Most/Least Ginamu@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/31/99 5:52:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ginamu writes: > > This *is* fun (thanks, Bob) I agree! Now let me see... STAS Most: The Dawntreader Least: The Pirate Of Penance CLOUDS Most: I Don't Know Where I Stand, The Gallery Least: a toss-up - Roses Blue, The Fiddle & the Drum LOTC Most: Real Good For Free Least: The Arrangement, the hyuddahs at the end of Woodstock BLUE Most: A Case Of You Least: River FTR Most: Woman Of Heart And Mind Least: Judgement of the Moon & Stars C & S Most: People's Parties/The Same Situation Least: none M o A Most: Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire Least: Carey THOSL Most: Sweet Bird Least: none HEJIRA Most: Amelia Least: A Strange Boy DJRD Most: Dreamland Least: The Tenth World MINGUS Most: The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey Least: God Must Be a Boogie Man SHADOWS AND LIGHT Most: Amelia/Pat's Solo/Hejira (sorry, can't separate them) Least: none WTRF Most: Moon at the Window Least: Solid Love DED Most: The Three Great Stimulants Least: Ethiopia CMIARS Most: The Beat of Black Wings Least: The Reoccurring Dream NRH Most: Two Grey Rooms Least: The Windfall TI Most: Turbulent Indigo Least: Not To Blame TTT Most: Love Puts on a New Face Least: Man From Mars Had to stick Miles of Aisles back in there. Almost left it out. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:05:31 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re David Lahm's helpful Miles Davis and jazz hints Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:32:31 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Bates JM is really the reason that I am getting into more jazz - loving especially 'shadows and light' as well as other JM records where jazz is clearly an influence makes me want to explore this limitless dimension. So thanks for the Miles Davis suggestions. Now, what about Lady Day? Clearly JM is a major fan of Holiday but when I look through the shelves in the record shop I am totally bamboozled by the number of different compilations, the different bands she recorded with and so on. Is early better than late? Is there good Billie and bad Billie? Where to begin? Also how much of 'Nothing can be done' on 'Painting.... is Billie Holiday etc and how much is Joni and Larry? Sounds great anyway but I just wondering if there were major changes to the original? And what about 'Trouble Man' - doesn't the singing towards the end just send shivers up your spine? Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 01:04:59 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: I guess you had to being there.... Don- Thank you so much for sharing the long strange trip through Hejira. It brought back so many memories of musical trips. One of these days when I grow up and am as eloquent as Joni or yourself, I will try to relate a story or two. Cheers! Michael (feeling warm the fuzzy warm then fuzzy warm then fuzzy) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #136 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! 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