From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #131 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, March 27 1999 Volume 04 : Number 131 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Blacklisting depicted in films [Joseph Palis ] Re: NJC: H'wood b'balling ["Kakki" ] Re: Painting with... ["Kakki" ] Some questions re Painting With.... ["Phil Klein" ] Advice needed SOON!! (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Fwd: "UP- the DOWN staircase [Ginamu@aol.com] Graham Nash's accent ["paul tyrer" ] Re: "UP- the DOWN staircase [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: NJC: H'wood b'balling [RMuRocks@aol.com] Absolutely last call for recipes! [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Some questions re Painting With.... [Travis Moser ] Re: Absolutely last call for recipes! [TerryM2442@aol.com] "Up Songs" [Leslie Mixon ] "Down" Songs [Leslie Mixon ] recipe book(NJC) [katej ] Joni & Herbie [Suzanne Simpson ] Re: Colorado Joni Fest? [Cjlund@aol.com] jm mentioned by sleater kinski [jan gyn ] Re: Colorado Joni Fest? [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Joni & Herbie [RMuRocks@aol.com] Cookbooks (NJC) [michael paz ] 8 Track Joni Tapes [Bounced Message ] recipe book [Bounced Message ] Re: recipe book(NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Colorado Joni Fest? [LRFye@aol.com] Joni Mitchell on Vali [Marksa973@aol.com] Re: Joni & Herbie ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Some questions re Painting With.... ["Don Rowe" ] RE: Cookbooks (NJC) [Brett Code ] Re: "UP- the DOWN staircase (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Some questions re Painting With.... [RMuRocks@aol.com] FURRY SINGS THE BLUES [Bounced Message ] re: MTVs Next Big Thing (NJC) ["Jerome Gonzales" ] Re: "Up Songs" [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Splendour and Kazan njc Painting with...jc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: "UP- the DOWN staircase (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Gossip (JMDL content) (NJC) [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] Re: UP Songs ["Davina Greenstein" ] RE: Some questions re Painting With.... [Chris Marshall ] 7 Deadly Sins (NJC) [jamurray@colby.edu (James A. Murray)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:27:24 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Blacklisting depicted in films On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > A pretty important part of the Streisand/Redford "The Way We Were" concerns a > fictionalized blacklisting, I just don't remember which of the characters, > hers or his, is victimized. DAVID LAHM > Streisand plays a socialist while Redford plays the WASPish love interest. Joseph np: Mabel Mercer: "Ace in the Hole" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:22:59 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC: H'wood b'balling Joseph wrote: >As for Elia Kazan, I watched and adored his A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, but >I was drawn to the characters of Blanche Du Bois and Stanley Kowalski more >rather than his approach at filmmaking. Although my favorite singer Eartha >Kitt and even Lena Horne were said to be casualties of the blacklisting, >too. I recall that Eartha Kitt was blacklisted later, in the 1960s, after she performed at the White House for President Lyndon Johnson. She made some remarks, possibly against the Vietnam war, that were considered "un-American." After that she could not get a single job in the country and so moved to France where she went on to have a full career for years. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 01:42:50 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Painting with... Steve wrote: >WallyK wrote: > >>Incidentally, I received Joni's "Painting with... etc" today too. I was >>wondering if there would any close-ups of jmdlers. Who should I look out >>for? > >Oh, me, Kakki, Jill T., Don S., Marsha, Ken C., Steve J., Wally, >Les, Mariana, Pearl, the Mixons and several more. Of course, you >have to know what we look like...:) After viewing it several times before finally spotting and accounting for everyone, I actually thought about preparing a record of appearances, like "Steve at 07.52 mins. and 43.07 mins., Leslie at 28.02 minutes" and so on. I may still do it when I get the free time (yeah, right ;-) Some of us are harder to spot than others because of where we were sitting. Also spottable are Phyliss, Bob and Catherine. I loved Angela's reaction to the PPV. Yes, Angela we were all in total awe throughout both of the performances. I'm still in awe and shake my head incredulously whenever I think of being there. There were no tickets to the event, but a few days before the tapings, Wally was provided with a few passes to be made available to list members. Joni wanted some actual fans in the audience in addition to all the celebs and industry people who were invited. There was also the opportunity for most anyone to go and take their chances at being called to be "seat-fillers". Some who took that chance including Pearl who came all the way from Florida, Catherine all the way from Arizona, and Don, easily and luckily got seats for both shows. It was all very magical and the best part for me was to witness what a truly wonderful person Joni is in addition to her awesome talent. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:12:29 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: Some questions re Painting With.... More comments about Painting With Words and Music. 1. Joni has changed the lyrics to some songs - on BYT, "a dollar and a half" becomes "25 bucks" simply due to inflation, and on Hejira, "Benny Goodman" is transformed into "Mark Isham" for obvious reasons. But one thing puzzles me. When, and why did "waltzing on a ballroom girl " become "waltzing on a bridal girl"? 2. Larry plays a 5-string bass. This is the first time I've ever seen one of these. Anyone know why he chooses this, and what does he tune it to? 3. Is there an "added chord" in Amelia? I'm talking about right at the start, whcih is also the bit that is repeated twice after every verse. It's hard to explain, but say for the sake of argument the song starts with an E chord, you would twiddle on Esus4 and then move up to A. It sound like she's put an extra chord in before the A. It also looks like it from watching her hands on the fretboard. Anyone agree? 4. Joni's response - "well thank you, but how's my hair?" A response to what comment from the audience? Phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:50:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Some questions re Painting With.... hear! hear! i'm intrigued about this too. was it "we love you"? phil wrote: . Joni's response - "well thank you, but how's my hair?" A response to what comment from the audience? Phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:53:06 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: WOW - Painting with words and music In a message dated 3/26/99 12:45:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, jeffosborne@juno.com writes: << Is it true that Joni and Graham Nash were a serious item at one time? Do we know? During the 70's I heard only third-hand tidbits, and I admired them both so much that it was a sweet notion. Jeffo >> Nash is the "Willy" in the song from "Ladies of the Canyon." Read more on Wally's website. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:58:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: pix of joni for those of you who are interested, there are two beautiful pictures of joni and james taylor on JT's site. the address is http://www.james-taylor.com/JTimages.shtml WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:04:38 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Advice needed SOON!! (NJC) My very close friend, who has been ill for a long time, has just taken a turn for the worse, and it does not look like she is going to make it. Since my gift is my voice, I thought if I could possibly get through it, I would like to sing something at her funeral. I am just too distraught to even think of the possibilities for a song, and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions. Unfortunately, I need these suggestions as soon as possible as it looks like I don't have much time. The only one I can think of at this time is "Wind Beneath My Wings." Thanks. Please reply privately so we don't take up list space. Hugs, and tears, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:39:47 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Fwd: "UP- the DOWN staircase This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_922451988_boundary Content-ID: <0_922451988@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 3/26/99 7:38:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ginamu writes: > In a message dated 3/26/99 1:35:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@saber. > net writes: > > > My guess is we're pretty close to exhausting the UPs, so I'll start DOWN > on > > > the scale Don't Let It Bring You Down - Neil Young I'm All Tore Down (Eric Clapton didn't write it but he covered it) Lay It Down - Cowboy Junkies 13 Steps Lead Down - Elvis Costello The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down - The Band Gina - --part0_922451988_boundary Content-ID: <0_922451988@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Ginamu@aol.com Return-path: To: guitarzan@saber.net Subject: Re: "UP- the DOWN staircase Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:38:00 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/26/99 1:35:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: > My guess is we're pretty close to exhausting the UPs, so I'll start DOWN on > > the scale Don't Let It Bring You Down - Neil Young I'm All Tore Down (Eric Clapton didn't write it but he covered it) Lay It Down - Cowboy Junkies 13 Steps Lead Down - Elvis Costello The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down - The Band Gina - --part0_922451988_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:41:41 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Graham Nash's accent Hi I'm just writing to let you know that our Graham (Nash) *is* English - from Manchester, which is where I'm proud to be from! Hence his accent - which now has a distinct American lilt, alas... PX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:57:41 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: "UP- the DOWN staircase In a message dated 3/26/99 12:34:53 AM Central Standard Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Down In The Boondocks-(?) >> The hit was by Billy Joe Royal, Kenny Loggins also did a cover on "Nightwatch".... Speaking of trivia, there's a guest on Korn's "Follow The Leader" who also appears on a Joni record...anyone know who it is? Bob NP: The Roots "You Got Me"(featuring Erykah Badu) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:06:25 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: H'wood b'balling In a message dated 3/25/99 7:58:53 PM Central Standard Time, mark-n- travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << My question is should their private lives have anything to do with how we judge them as artists? I certainly don't like what Kazan or Allen did or what Jackson was accused of doing. But does that mean I can't like their art? >> Certainly not - As much as I love Joni's work, some of her degrading comments toward other performers are tough to take. I think all artists (and possibly all people in general) have a "dark side" they have to deal with. I can still enjoy the work, the art, even if I disagree with the artist's politics or worldview. There's a kid in my son's class, he's just got a God-given gift for visual art. He's won National Art awards and all that stuff. Last week, one of the teachers showed me a picture she confiscated from him, it was a drawing of the Teletubbies all dying a horrible violent death - I thought it was kind of funny, but scary at the same time. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:30:29 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Absolutely last call for recipes! This is your very last chance to submit a recipe to the JMDL cookbook which will be sent as a gift to Joni. If you want to be included in this project, send me your recipe and bio by Monday at the very latest. I hope to mail the cookbook on Tuesday. If you need help with doing your bio, you can see some sample bios at: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/jmdlbios.htm http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/jmdlbios1.htm So far, there are 86 recipes and 56 contributors. This is actually quite a reasonable number of recipes, and since each recipe and bio has it's own plastic cover, the cookbook seems quite substantial. The cookbook has two sections, each with an index. The recipes are organized alphabetically by recipe title in the first section, and the bios are organized alphabetically by first name in the second section. I found a beautiful binder for it - I like it better than the one I had chosen in December. I plan to take some photos on Tuesday of the binder and the cover page and the gift-wrapped package before I send it off for forwarding to Joni. If the photos turn out okay, which they should, then I will scan them and put them in JMDL for members to see. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:40:07 -0800 From: Travis Moser Subject: Re: Some questions re Painting With.... Phil Klein wrote: > > More comments about Painting With Words and Music. > > 1. Joni has changed the lyrics to some songs - on BYT, "a dollar and > a half" becomes "25 bucks" simply due to inflation, and on Hejira, > "Benny Goodman" is transformed into "Mark Isham" for obvious > reasons. But one thing puzzles me. When, and why did "waltzing on a > ballroom girl " become "waltzing on a bridal girl"? The first time I heard this change in the lyric was on the 'Shadows & Light' LP. 'Bridal girl' fits quite well thematically with 'Hejira' but 'ballroom girl' goes better with 'waltzing'. Although brides usually dance at some point of wedding proceedings so I guess 'bridal' works equally as well and maybe better. Live performance can be such an exciting thing especially with someone like Joni who rethinks her material almost every time she performs it. As Billie put it 'one night it's a little bit slower, one night it's a little bit brighter, according to how I feel.' Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:39:47 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: (NJC) Help with song title and artist? You all have been so helpful about other NJC stuff, that I thought maybe you could help me find the title of a song and the artist/group that recorded it. I often listen to the radio on my way home from work. Until about three months ago, Vienna had only one really reasonable rock radio station, so I had three of my six channels tuned to stations in Hungary, Slovenia and the Czech Republic. The only problem with this, besides the fact that I don't understand any of the languages, is that they don't always announce the song titles. Anyway, about a year ago I heard a song which I really liked and the only thing I can remember about this song is: "I saw you first" And it sounded like it could have been a song from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, or Dire Straits. I talked to a friend who said he recognized the melody/lyric I sang to him, and that he thought it could be TP&THs, but that he was pretty sure the lyric was not the song title. Can anybody help me out here? Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:49:17 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Bathroom Recording Hi all, The discussion about bathrooms tickled me. On the last two albums I recorded, one for my Celtic duo Cork and the other for Barby Holder, we could not get the sound of my harp right. Using a Yamaha digital recorder, we had a horrible time getting the harp to sound natural. In a regular room, we were picking up street noises and general room noise. In a soundproof room, the strings sounded dead. The solution: my tiny downstairs bathroom just big enough for a shower, toilet and sink. I had to sit on the toilet (lid down of course) with my huge grand harp wedged diagonally on the only floor space available, and mic cords wrapped around my waist, but the sound was wonderful! On one of the songs, we wanted a rowdy singalong pub sound, and we decided to use the bathroom again, cramming four singers into the bathroom. It worked beautifully, plus we got to know each other a lot better! My latest album, now in production, is recorded in a big, professional studio. And, you know, even with all the acoustical correctness and high-powered equipment, I prefer the way the harp sounded in the bathroom. Plus, I love the reaction of visitors wondering about the music chart I have left taped to the outside of my shower stall! I'm so glad to hear that the Carpenters, Dusty Springfield and others have done the same thing. It makes me feel a lot more legitimate. Thanks guys! By the way, for those of you who love folksingers with bell-like soprano voices who sound like angels, you can check out Barby Holder at: http://www.voicenet.com/~gehlingw/index.html Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:51:11 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Absolutely last call for recipes! In a message dated 3/26/99 9:40:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: << If the photos turn out okay, which they should, then I will scan them and put them in JMDL for members to see. >> Marian, Thanks so much for taking on this project of love. I can't wait to see the photos of the finished product! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:26:52 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: "Up Songs" On James Taylor's "Hourglass" album, he has a song called: Jump Up Behind Me Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:28:45 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: "Down" Songs Don't Let It Bring You Down - Neil Young Down To You - by you know who Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:21:27 -0700 From: katej Subject: recipe book(NJC) I'd be interested in having one of the recipe books(the binder-ring design sounds perfect for a fully-functional counter-top recipe book, thankyou!) and here's my 2 cents about the bios -- alot of the detail put into them(fill-in-the-blanks style) was dull reading and I skimmed over it, even though I was curious to see who else loves Joni's music as I do, where they live, and what it is they love about her music and how they respond to it. A short blurb like that on the same page as the recipes volunteered by that person would be fascinating reading for me, as well as a short list of two or three other artists the donor loves, just for curiosity's sake. I would find such a recipe book not particularly Joni-esque if it didn't include comments from Joni's admirers or bios of some sort, though, and tied in to the recipe the person provided. That's the part that makes it unique from any other recipe book, but the present form of bio(as it looked in the notes as recipes were gathered) would be a boring extra that no one would ever read anyway, after ploughing through the first one or two. Even Joni may not make it all the way through unless it is personalized somehow, and a list of details just doesn't do it for me. Hope that helps some. The recipe book is a great idea; let me know if there's anything I can do to help out. Kate du Nord ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:24:57 -0600 From: Suzanne Simpson Subject: Joni & Herbie So, what's the consensus on JM's performances on the new Herbie Hancock CD? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:56:17 EST From: Cjlund@aol.com Subject: Re: Colorado Joni Fest? What is the total scoop on the CO Joni Fest? Is this something that is actually being planned? Where?? Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:13:38 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: jm mentioned by sleater kinski Here's a portion of an article with JM content - -jan Sleater-Kinney by Isabelle Chelley [translated from French by Moe] Very bad things (snip) Known for their commitment with the riot-grrrls, Sleater-Kinney are not fooled by this increasing interest for girls in rock since the Lilith Fair festival. A much too commercial event according to Carrie: "I consider feminism as a movement linked with deep social changes, not some kind of publicity. My music won't help sell Levi's jeans. And the tickets were far too expensive." And also the fact that the festival programmers refused to have spoken word performances. "They also did not want Joni Mitchell that they found too old. How stupid is that when in the end all the girls sang 'Big Yellow Taxi'!" More indulgent, Janet remarks: "This festival should have represented us all, not only the more dreary ones with an acoustic guitar. We try to be part of 100% female bills." (snip) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:41:41 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Colorado Joni Fest? In a message dated 3/26/99 10:58:47 AM Central Standard Time, Cjlund@aol.com writes: << What is the total scoop on the CO Joni Fest? Is this something that is actually being planned? Where?? >> Nope - it's been cancelled... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:47:38 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Herbie In a message dated 3/26/99 10:31:06 AM Central Standard Time, ssimpson@bcm.tmc.edu writes: << So, what's the consensus on JM's performances on the new Herbie Hancock CD? >> Don't know about a consensus as I only speak for myself, but I love the two songs she does on this disc - I think it's her finest singing since Mingus, so it must be that jazz vocals are what suit her best. I've been listening to Mingus this week in the car, and although it's not my favorite of hers, I think her singing is at it's best here - the melodies she sings against sparse and free-form accompaniment are just amazing! And by the way, how about "Up & Down" by Diana Ross? That covers both threads! Bob NP: Beth Orton "Devil Song" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:56:44 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Cookbooks (NJC) Jerry wrote: "If you think > you might like one (or two, the make great gifts) please let me know." Count me in for a couple. Greatr idea Jerry. My wife is a very talented artist and has a ad biz. With her contacts we might be able to get some good printing prices, esp. since it is for a good cause. Best wishes, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:55:03 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: 8 Track Joni Tapes From: "Hejira" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:58:58 -0000 Can anyone tell me what Joni Albums were relased on 8 Track thanks Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:40:49 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: recipe book Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:15:53 -0800 (PST) From: Willis Drummund A much shortened bio that would fit on the same page as the recipe, with name, hometown and favorite Joni album and song would seem to me to be enough of a "bio" to accompany the recipe. I like this idea that Paul has. However, if it doesn't fit on the same page as the recipe, there can be a bio section in the back, listing the "contributors". I like reading the bios, but if there isn't enough room for them, then maybe this is the way to go. And yes, I would buy one or two copies for sure. Evian, who is bored as hell at work, and counting down until 1pm when I can bolt! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:41:00 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: recipe book(NJC) Kate (du Nord -- I love that!) brought up a good point: > I would find such a recipe book not > particularly Joni-esque if it didn't include comments from Joni's > admirers or bios of some sort, though, and tied in to the recipe the > person provided. Perhaps comments appropriate to the recipes submitted would be more appropriate for inclusion. I know I mentioned something about when I discovered or began using the recipe I submitted; did anyone else do that? Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:37:39 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Colorado Joni Fest? Kelly asked: << What is the total scoop on the CO Joni Fest? Is this something that is actually being planned? Where?? Bob replied: > Nope - it's been cancelled... Actually, I think it's been postponed until next summer (as opposed to cancelled entirely). This is good for me, as I was going to have to make a choice between attending the 30th anniversary of Woodstock and JoniFest '99 ... JoniFest 2000! Sounds cool, doesn't it? Gives everyone more time to plan, and imagine how many more list members there may be by then! Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:50:25 EST From: Marksa973@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell on Vali I have a CD of a live recording of Joni's where she sings a song about someone named Vali. In the intro, she says she saw an underground movie about her. Joni describes her as a bohemian type who grew up in Australia, went to France, was asked to leave France for being too much of a bohemian (?) and once danced at a concert performance of Donavan's in England. She sounds like a lot of fun. Does anyone know anything about her or the movie that was made about her? Thanks. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:06:11 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Joni & Herbie >So, what's the consensus on JM's performances on the new Herbie Hancock >CD? Wonderful, and a real treat to hear her spin on the timeless standards. There's a vocal style line that I feel Joni's been a little shy about crossing in her own songs, even the more jazz-inflected ones, and she seems so joyous to finally give that inclination a free rein. But honestly, I think her performances on Kyle Eastwood's debut CD are even better ... my dos pesos. Don Rowe Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:21:39 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Some questions re Painting With.... >When, and why did "waltzing on a ballroom girl " become "waltzing on >a bridal girl"? There were additional changes, at least at the Chicago concert ... "Here is the hope and the hoplessness/I've witnessed thirty years" became "Here is the hope and the hopelessness/I've witnessed all these many years". Which is the way I'm now forced to sing along, even if the line doesn't fit the CD. C'est la vie! Don Rowe Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:17:22 -0700 From: Brett Code Subject: RE: Cookbooks (NJC) I missed your original message, Jerry, so I'm replying to the list. Count me in for 2 or so - when, how, and how much. Thanks, Brett Jerry wrote: "If you think > you might like one (or two, the make great gifts) please let me know." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:12:45 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: "UP- the DOWN staircase (NJC) Down songs continued: (as mindless as this thread is, I'm grateful to have been able to leave work behind and think of more "down" songs on my commute home today) Down To Zero - Joan Armatrading Downtown Train - Tom Waits Burning Down The House - Talking Heads Shotgun Down The Avalanche - Shawn Colvin Gina NP: Something There Is About You - Planet Waves - Dylan and The Band ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:52:06 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Some questions re Painting With.... In a message dated 3/26/99 1:25:19 PM Central Standard Time, dgrowe@hotmail.com writes: << There were additional changes, at least at the Chicago concert ... "Here is the hope and the hoplessness/I've witnessed thirty years" became "Here is the hope and the hopelessness/I've witnessed all these many years". >> And also, in Black Crow, "In search of love & music" has become "in search of truth & beauty"... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:14:33 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: FURRY SINGS THE BLUES Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:09:52 -0500 From: Chris Thorpe Thought some might find this article interesting. Source: Baltimore City Paper Author: John Lewis Thirty years ago, engineer/producer Terry Manning toted a portable tape recorder, two microphones, and three reels of tape to Furry Lewis' Beale Street apartment in Memphis. Manning-who later worked on classic records by Led Zeppelin and ZZ Top-set up a makeshift studio in Lewis' bedroom and the ancient bluesman played selections from his vast repertoire of tunes while propped up in bed. The loose, comfortable session yielded a brilliant album, 1971's Fourth and Beale. Now, Blues Magician gathers together 12 previously unreleased songs that were recorded on that same magical day. Born in Greenwood, Miss., Lewis was raised in Memphis. After losing a leg in a railroad accident, he focused all his attention on his music, touring the South with various medicine shows in the 1920s. A master of the bottleneck guitar, he recorded a few seminal sides for the Vocalion and Victor labels before the Depression decimated the recording industry and pitched Lewis back to obscurity. He returned to Memphis, hocked his guitar, and worked as a street sweeper for decades. During the 1960s blues revival, he enjoyed a resurgence of popularity and regularly gigged at festivals and coffeehouses. When Manning turned up at his door, Lewis was 76 years old but still capable of brilliant playing and singing. "Going to Brownsville," the track that opens Fourth and Beale, is a quintessential country-blues performance, deftly mixing pathos and humor with hushed picking and wicked slide work. The remaining eight cuts similarly highlight Lewis' formidable talents. There's nothing on Blues Magician as compelling as "Going to Brownsville," but the new disc makes an excellent companion to its predecessor. With snippets of conversation and anecdotes between songs, it exudes a warmth that seldom makes it to tape these days. Lewis' loping guitar and offhand vocals give such songs as "Baby That's All Right" and "Lay My Burden Down" an easygoing stride that feels like a breezy walk through blues history. Occasionally, Lewis lapses into less focused noodling, but such moments are rare. Overall, Blues Magician offers an intimate glimpse of a master at work. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:26:22 PST From: "Jerome Gonzales" Subject: re: MTVs Next Big Thing (NJC) Sorry to go NJC on everyone... MTV is having an actual weekend of videos and you can vote for the "Next Big Thing". Rufus Wainwright and Beth Orton are both eligible. PLEASE go to this URL and vote for artists of consequence: http://www.mtv.com/sendme.tin?page=/mtv/tubescan/next_big_thing/ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:50:47 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: "Up Songs" Brooce's "One Step Up"; David Bowie's "Up the Hill Backwards"; Leon Redbone's "Up a Lazy River" [probably a cover, but I don't know who did the original]; Kate Bush's "Running Up That Hill"; I'm sure there's more... Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:50:45 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Splendour and Kazan njc Painting with...jc In a message dated 3/26/99 0:53:45AM, LRFye@aol.com writes: << It still seems to me -- at least on paper -- that a Communist (communal) society could succeed if it was insular, self-sustaining, and truly a system of sharing. But as soon as the concepts of "mine" and "more" are introduced and allowed to flourish, the system will fail. >> Ah yes, a place where people look out for one another, where a lot of commerce is carried out by barter, where you don't have to nail everything down to prevent it from being stolen, where there is no crime, where people live in harmony with the land, where the average life expectancy is high, where there is very little instance of "western" diseases like cancer and heart disease; an area that is actually run by the Green Communist party! Well, such a place exists, and one of my best friends lives there. It's in southern Portugal, and I'm going out there for a few days at the beginning of May. I might decide to escape from the madness of global capitalism and Jerry Springer while I'm at it! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:50:49 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: "UP- the DOWN staircase (NJC) In a message dated 3/26/99 9:15:14PM, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << Down To Zero - Joan Armatrading Downtown Train - Tom Waits Burning Down The House - Talking Heads Shotgun Down The Avalanche - Shawn Colvin >> Good on you Gina - those are four cracking songs! It's great to see Joan Armatrading mentioned on the list, she's sadly overlooked these days. Her self-titled third album, the one with "Down to Zero" and "Love and Affection", is a very wonderful album indeed. More down songs: "Going Down for the Third Time" [oo-er missus!] - the Supremes; "Down Among the Dead Men" - Flash and the Pan; "Down on Mission Street" - Lloyd Cole; "House Burning Down" - Jimi Hendrix"; "Going Down To Liverpool" - Katrina & The Waves/The Bangles Azeem in London NP: a Blur concert on BBC2. Good stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:16:02 -0800 (PST) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Gossip (JMDL content) (NJC) Hi Gina and rest, Yesterday in the sign off of the reply titled "What's Up" Gina wrote: NP: coffee makin' gurgles (Hey, Penny, add that to the oodles and noodles and doodles!) Well, Gina, I did. Are your steady references to ood"les", nood"les", dood"les" and now gurg"les" Freudian slips or your secret way to send sweet little "I'm thinking of you's" to Les? "People like to talk, Tongues are waggin' over fences, Waggin' over phones" Do you swoon to "My Secret Place" often? (The mentions of Colorado not to be overlooked!) ; -) Having some fun on a groggy Friday after stayed up till 3 AM typing a report for our sixth grader!!!! Have a great weekend all!!! Penny Kids NP: Shake it up.....The Cars ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:26:32 -0800 From: "Davina Greenstein" Subject: Re: UP Songs Elliot Smith - "Bottle Up and Explode" John Coltrane - Up 'gainst the wall Joe Walsh - Up all Night Davina np: The drone of passing cars that get to leave work early on a Friday :-( ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:07:29 -0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: Some questions re Painting With.... On Friday, March 26, 1999 10:12 AM, Phil Klein [SMTP:phy6pgk@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk] wrote: > 2. Larry plays a 5-string bass. This is the first time I've ever > seen one of these. Anyone know why he chooses this, and what does he > tune it to? Five's are quite common these days, as are sixes and, to a much lesser (!) extent, sevens. A five-string bass is usually tuned the same as a four, with the addition of a low B. There's usually not much reason to go for non-standard tunings on a bass since you're not playing chord shapes much. The most usual thing to do is drop the bottom E to a D on a four string. - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd, Cambridge, UK. Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:46:54 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Rufus Wainwright (NJC) In a message dated 3/26/99 6:29:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, vanpelt101@hotmail.com writes: > MTV is having an actual weekend of videos and you can vote for the "Next > Big Thing". Rufus Wainwright and Beth Orton are both eligible. PLEASE go > to this URL and vote for artists of consequence: > I listened to a smattering of Rufus Wainwright's cd on a recent jaunt to Barnes and Noble (who censored the Magdalane Laundries {with the Chieftains} at their listening stations - unforgivable) and it sounded really interesting, though kind of brooding. I can't resist mentioning his dad Loudon's song about his son when he was an infant - Rufus Is A Tit Man - written about Rufus' nursing days!!! Wow, how time flies! Though Rufus is now old enough to reclaim that title, who knows...sorry, you guys...it's Friday and the weather in the heavenly hills of Western Massachusetts is truly glorious. Hurray for Spring! Gina NP: cacophony of kids and dog and dad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:09:19 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: Audiophiles Audiophiles don't *want* to listen that closely. We have to. It's not a decision; it's a curse we're born with. It's like those folks who hear melody first and never get around to the words. Do you think I *want* to spend $3,000 for speakers?! Mark in Seattle asked: > Ok, if you listen to *any* recording that closely, aren't you going to > find flaws in it somewhere? And how many people actually listen that > closely. And, no offense to you audiophiles but why would you want > to? - -- Read me or deleeeete me but don't try to shut me up, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:33:14 -0500 From: jamurray@colby.edu (James A. Murray) Subject: 7 Deadly Sins (NJC) >... although I don't know how practically I can avoid Lust ... as it is >spring, afterall! ; ) What's wrong with lust anyway? Just good clean fun! jimbo (the newlywed) - ---------------------------------------------------------- Jim and Elizabeth Murray tel (207)-873-2739 120 Mayflower Hill fax (207)-861-0116 Waterville, ME 04901 Email: "jamurray@colby.edu" Email: "eomurray@wtvl.com" Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. - --H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, ch. 40 (1951) pity this busy monster,manunkind, not. Progress is a comfortable disease: - --E.E. Cummings, 1 x 1 [One Times One] (1944), # XIV ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #131 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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