From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #118 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, March 15 1999 Volume 04 : Number 118 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Snippy -- Sandra Bernhard (njc) [evian ] thing on Joni's mouth [CarltonCT@aol.com] re: snippy ["P. Henry" ] re: snippy ["P. Henry" ] random notes.... [Lisa Durfee ] Re: random notes.... [Mark Domyancich ] Wake up it's 1999 [Michael Paz ] Sandra B ["paul tyrer" ] Re: Paint "A Starry Night" again, man. [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Sandra B (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] NJC-Kate Price [Randy Remote ] Re: Snippy -- Sandra Bernhard (njc) [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: Sandra B (NJC) [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: Snippy -- Sandra Bernhard (njc) [Randy Remote ] Re: This just in!!!! (More Girly Guile JONI CONTENT!) [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: DJRD, and cover questions [LRFye@aol.com] Re: snippy [Strummed@aol.com] Today in Joni History - March 15 [Today in Joni History ] Re: random notes.... [LRFye@aol.com] Re: random notes.... [LRFye@aol.com] Plug Of The Week #10 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: thing on Joni's mouth [CarltonCT@aol.com] Joni in Education, etc. [Sue ] Re: random notes.... [Lisa Durfee ] Re: random notes.... (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: random notes.... (NJC) [Lisa Durfee ] Re: random notes.... (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Fugees Flack, Oberlin TTT review [David Wright ] Grammy Award Show and Album Sales [Anne Madden ] Re: Plug Of The Week #10 - NJC [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: This just in!!!! (More Girly Guile JONI CONTENT!) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: djrd cover [Bounced Message ] Re: djrd cover [LRFye@aol.com] Re: thing on Joni's mouth - Blue ["Helen M. Adcock" ] RE: NJC:Tinky Winky(not for those with no sense of humour) ["Wally Kairuz] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:38:48 -0600 From: evian Subject: Snippy -- Sandra Bernhard (njc) > On the subject of that chameleon-of- > a-material-girl, Madonna, she had this to say: > > 'I think she's turning Japanese > I think she's turning Japanese > I really think so! > > The bitch is running out of continents!' > Oh God, I am practically peeing... this is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time! I love Madonna, but damn... Sandra rules!! Anyone remember when she used to be on Letterman all the time, and that time she was holding those Diane Von Furstenberg paper towels, and she was saying "Andy Warhol calls Diane and says 'let's go dancing!' and Diane replies 'No Darling, I must stay home and clean with my paper towel?" LOL, I don't even remember if that was what she exactly said, but it was funny anyway. Also, are there any videos available of her comedy? I rented some One-Person show of hers, but it was terrible... I just like to hear her bitch about everyone! Evian np: "Nightbird" -- Stevie Nicks, goddess of luv ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:45:34 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: thing on Joni's mouth Hi Ryan and JMDL gang - I always wondered what was on Joni's mouth on the cover of Blue, but I am almost sure it is a microphone. If you go to Sue's Tabs, the computerised version of the album cover makes it look very much like a mike. What else would be by her mouth? Supposedly, that picture on Blue was taken by Tim Considine, the actor who was the slapped soldier in PATTON and the eldest son on MY THREE SONS in its early years. Clark NP: M People, Fresco ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:24:08 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: re: snippy howard wrote: >In an interview, Joni explained...> mind sharing exactly what interview that was and where I might find it so I could read it for myself? I see nothing like that in the bio section of WallyB's site... did you read that or did you just read someone else who said they read it? and also: >Sounds like a butt kiss to me.> how so? she'd already been recording for 5 years and wrote some of her best material during that time... (at least for my taste) and the success of You Turn Me On, Help Me and Raised On Robbery, fine pieces in their own right, drew a lot more people close enough to experience the beauty of songs like Down To You, Same Situation, Free Man In Paris and People's Parties as well as the music of STAS, Clouds, LOTC, Blue and FTR! I think there certainly *was* an attempt to reach more people but that, in itself, is no contradiction to art (or 'butt kissing') whatsoever and I seriously doubt that she ever said this unless she was joking! after all, the ascertaining of the art is the completion of it's process... and the artist longs to touch the soul of those who can receive it. and also: >And if she really hated the music business so much and she was so principled, then why doesn't she self-distribute, ala Ani DiFranco or, after her label dropped her, Jane Siberry.> sure, great idea if all you care about is making money and want to spend your time on production, sales, advertising and shipping instead of creating your art... done by garage bands all the time. and sure, I can picture a good artist doing this too, just to get their stuff out there... in existence. a few have even built it into a successful enterprise. I've seen writers do this so that at least their book was in print... but which of them would turn down a publisher if they came knocking on their front door?!? let me turn it around again, since you're, in effect, calling my honesty into question: if Joni *wasn't* so principled, why did she continue touring coffeehouses for over a year while record company agents from different companies followed her around her gigs begging her to sign a nat'l recording contract? she did so because she refused to 'put her art on a schedule' in a standard contract that would have required her to put out records in assembly line fashion... these were her own words I heard her say myself and I was the one who had to refuse these agents access to her dressing room because she wouldn't talk to them and I know what I'm talking about because I saw and heard these things first hand, not in a magazine or on a radio show. I have an ad we ran in the local paper back then (which my old friend brian sent me a copy of) for a weekend when Joni played... I'm going to post it as soon as I get it scanned... it has her name spelled 'Joni Mitchel' and says: 'Admission: $1.25 per person'! she could have walked out of that place right into her own limo and written her own ticket any time as early as '66 if she spelled success with a capital $. I can't think of one performer/artist I knew back then who wouldn't have grabbed that in a heartbeat! no, howard 'she ain't perfect'... but she's a damn sight better than most! pat NP - For The Roses Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:30:46 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: re: snippy lori wrote: >Seems more like a brilliant, calculated response to me.> wish I'd said that! *S* pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:55:31 -0400 From: Lisa Durfee Subject: random notes.... Hi folks, a) I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me as to why a Joni songbook for WTRF would go for $152. on eBay. Is this "rare"? Too bad all my books fell apart at the bindings (not that I would sell...) b) I live near Woodstock. It is a MeSS of GenXers around there when the anniversry festivals come to town. Wouldn't plan a Jonifest then/there. c) Marian, Did you get my recipe for Poppy Poison Punch? -for that mighty mighty thirst? I forgot to mention slicing coconut into it was optional. Lisa D NP: Innocence Mission. --Brave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:02:59 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: random notes.... At 11:55 AM -0400 3/14/99, Lisa Durfee wrote: > b) I live near Woodstock. It is a > MeSS of GenXers around there when the > anniversry festivals come to town. > Wouldn't plan a Jonifest then/there. Oh God forbid! What do you think we'll do? Give directions to thirtysomethings?!? Mark ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:03:59 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Wake up it's 1999 Jim wrote: "4. She can't even _begin to hit the high notes! Can you imagine, Joni circa 1999 trying to sing "Chelsea Morning" with a cigarrette and a VG-8???" Hey Jim- Yes, I can imagine her singing Chelsea Morning and often fantasize about her singing much of For The Roses. I never thought I would cover BYT, but I learned it yesterday and Julian was singing the Chooooooooo, bop bop bop bop part with me. He is still walking around singing it today (with intermingled parts of Bah Bah Black Sheep, Barbara Ann, Men In Black, Happy Birthday, and Jingle Bells). He is obviously working on some sort of bizarre medley. Hope you are well. Later. Michael NP-Sexy Sadie-Beatles Anthology (Off a tape that will be mailed to Austria tomorrow) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:28:27 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Sandra B Hi Mark You mention Sandra B. I've always thought that Madonna's fantastic Take a Bow was about SB. Did you ever read/hear anything like that? Did you ever see dallas Doll by the way (?!). PX Make them laugh it comes so easy when you get to the part where you're breaking my heart hide behind your smile all the world loves a clown wish you well, I cannot stay you deserve an award for the role that you played no more masquerade, you're one lonely star I've always been in love with you guess you've always known it's true you took my love for granted why oh why the show is over say goodbye ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:13:20 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Paint "A Starry Night" again, man. Jim wrote: > 4. She can't even _begin to hit the high notes! Can you imagine, Joni > circa 1999 trying to sing "Chelsea Morning" with a cigarrette and a > VG-8??? It isn't for the above reasons that I can't feature Joni performing Chelsea Morning today. It's that the image of Joni -- at 55 and a grandmother, with all that she's seen and lived through and achieved -- singing that wistful song of 30 years ago to an audience of her fans seems almost ... I don't know ... silly to me. However, I CAN imagine her singing Chelsea Morning to Marlin! Lori, thinking that early Joni is always so perfect for a Sunday San Antonio NP: The Gallery ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:20:13 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Sandra B (NJC) Paul T. wrote to Mark in Seattle: > You mention Sandra B. I've always thought that Madonna's fantastic Take a > Bow was about SB. Did you ever read/hear anything like that? I never thought about that -- but what great dish!!! > Did you ever see dallas Doll by the way (?!). What is it? Lori, a big fan of Sandra B. San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:18:24 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: NJC-Kate Price I must join Chri$ and express my appreciation for the music of Kate Price. I saw her perform two or three years ago in No. Calif. and was moved by her artistry. Her main instrument is the hammer dulcimer, which she plays with great skill. She also sings, plays the piano, and composes. The music is like Olde English-celtic. If you like Lorena McKennitt you would like it. I think she is based in So. Cal, and if you get a chance to see her live, you won't be dissappointed. Her album, "Deep Heart's Core" is on Access Music Productions records. ph is (800) 306-3008 or (707) 766-9300. Or write to her at Priceless Productions, P.O. Box 91555, Santa Barbara, CA, 93190. There are no Joni songs on this album. I haven't heard the other one. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:34:24 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: Snippy -- Sandra Bernhard (njc) evian wrote: I > just like to hear her bitch about everyone! > Evian > np: "Nightbird" -- Stevie Nicks, goddess of luv ;) Sandra thoroughly skewers the whole idea of celebrity and how our culture reacts to it. She also did a bit where she runs into Christine McVie who is waitressing and singing in a cafe somewhere in California. Between taking orders for coffee & asking 'do you want fries with that?' she (Christine) explains how she had to get away from the madness of Fleetwood Mac and how she loves the job she has because she can chill out and be away from the limelight. She reminisces about her days with the Mac and says that she and Stevie were so close and Stevie was so special even though Stevie hit Christine in the eye once or twice with those shawls of hers while she was twirling about the stage, giving Christine a black eye. She sings a song too but even though Sandra can really belt out a song (she nailed Liza pretty much dead on) she really couldn't capture Christine's dusky alto. She didn't sound like her much at all. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:50:47 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: snippy > Howard wrote: > > > In an interview, Joni explained the origins of You Turn Me On: Geffen > > asked her to write a hit and that's what she came up with. > > > > Sounds like a butt kiss to me. > My two cents- Every artist except for the most obscure (and probably they too if they would admit it) wants a hit song. They all want to sell lots of records, for two reasons at least. One is to validate their self worth concerning their artistry. Even the acknowledged masters of their craft like Lennon, Joni, Dylan, have some shred of insecurity. Also, you work your ass off to express your art, and you believe in what you do, so it's totally natural to want others to get turned on by it as much as you have. Financially, there is the major label treadmill. Most people don't realize that when you make a record, the record company pays for the recording, promotion, advertising, etc., and then puts all that in the artists 'debit' column. You must make that amount back before you see dime one. There is a great book called "Star Making Machinery" that spends several chapters on the fortunes of Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen's attempts (unsuccessful) to pay back their debt to the record company, album after album, tour after tour. These days with expensive videos in the budget, if an album doesn't go gold, chances are the artist didn't make anything on it, and might be pumping gas soon! (Somehow, the thought of all those big hair bands like Stryper and Warrant pumping gas gives me a perverse thrill, but Kurt Cobain, goddess rest his soul, was responsible for that). Recently, especially with the digital recording revolution, artists like DiFranco, who has had major labels begging for it, and Jane Siberry, who's sales were marginal to start with, have said, hey I could put it out myself, and even if it sells less, I will still make more money. Balancing that is the enormous amount of work running a business takes, which could be spent creating beautiful things. Hopefully the business grows enough that you can get others to run it for you, and concentrate on doing what you do best. It's only selling out if lose touch with who you are as an artist. The other part is that you have to sell copies to stay in the business. RR np: Kate Price, Deep Heart's Core ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:00:49 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: Sandra B (NJC) LRFye@aol.com wrote: > > Paul T. wrote to Mark in Seattle: > > > You mention Sandra B. I've always thought that Madonna's fantastic Take a > > Bow was about SB. Did you ever read/hear anything like that? > > I never thought about that -- but what great dish!!! > > > Did you ever see dallas Doll by the way (?!). > > What is it? I don't know what this is either. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:02:42 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Snippy -- Sandra Bernhard (njc) Mark-n-Travis wrote: > evian wrote: > I > > just like to hear her bitch about everyone! > > Evian > > np: "Nightbird" -- Stevie Nicks, goddess of luv ;) > > Sandra thoroughly skewers the whole idea of celebrity and how our > culture reacts to it. She also did a bit where she runs into Christine > McVie who is waitressing and singing in a cafe somewhere in California. Sandra also does a funny bit about Stevie Nicks, how she met her, and they totally connected, and drank wine and read poetry to each other, then Sandra never heard from her again. "She just totally shined me on, man. I've sent her flowers, shawls....nothing...." It's from a sampler CD for "Without You I'm Nothing", her first movie, a concept piece that fell kind of flat because she plays a not-funny stand up comedienne who eventually resorts to stripping (and still can't hold an audience of one). I think the Stevie part is in the movie, and the only funny part. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:12:03 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: This just in!!!! (More Girly Guile JONI CONTENT!) michael paz wrote: > > Hello List- > This just came over my fax machine! > > In Hits Magazine March 12, 1999 in a section called Jamz, Caught in The > Act > Ego-Stroking Photos of Industry Geeks. > > There is a picture of Joni with Stevie and Herbie. Under the photo the > caption reads: > AND THEN THERE'S THE SCOURGE OF TRADE RAGS: Three of the most gifted > people in the music world-(l-r) Stevie Wonder, Herbie Hancock, and Joni > Mitchell-are seen contemplating the fact that the course of the entire > record industry is determined by an eight-year-old in Dubuque with > Attention Deficit Disorder. "I know the answer-more consolidation!" > blurted Hancock, and the others heartily agreed. I know I can be dense at times but the point of this escapes me. Would anyone care to clue in poor clueless me? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:28:06 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: thing on Joni's mouth CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Ryan and JMDL gang - > > I always wondered what was on Joni's mouth on the cover of Blue, but I am > almost sure it is a microphone. Does anyone else feel like she was standing too close to it when she recorded Blue? I know this is sacriledge, but....although some of the songs on Blue are my very favorite Joni songs - A Case of You, Blue, Richard, All I Want, California - I always had trouble tolerating the sound of her voice on this record. I recently bought a HDCD copy of Blue and it seems to me that one of the differences in sound on the HDCD is that the vocal track is louder. And listening to a tape of said cd in my car, Joni's singing hurts my ears. She's screechy at times and doesn't sound like she's in absolute control of her voice. I know she has said she was emotionally fragile in the extreme when she recorded Blue which makes me wonder if she should have waited til she was in a little better control before she went into the studio. I've always preferred the Miles of Aisles versions of the songs from Blue (with the exception of Carey which I thought was butchered on MOA). Partly because they are the first versions I heard of these songs but also partly because of Joni's vocals on the Blue album. Some of the JMDLers who've been here for awhile have heard this song & dance from me before but there was some discussion of Blue on the list awhile back. Sometimes it's hard to respond to current topics as I don't subscribe to the list from work. By the time I get home and being on the West coast everybody's pretty much done for the day in JMDL land and some nights it's all I can do just to read through all the posts, let alone respond. I owe a few people some private responses (Clark, Ken C., Colin) and I still intend to get to them! Mark (not really sleeping in) Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:29:59 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD, and cover questions Ryan wrote: > Well, i finally got DJRD today, one of the few joni albums i haven't > gotten. I remember someone saying that the black man on front was Joni, > i might have been mistaken, but would like to know if it's true. Yes, it's true. Look at the teeth. Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:00:56 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: snippy excellemt input, recommendation and overview. alas these are the realities of the machine. i know 1 musician that desrves so much more than hes' got. i can't help but feel sometimes that its a terrible waste of talent. as i told him and otheres like him that walk thru the doors on occasion , it's like watching a race horse pull an apple cart. but he's true to his craft making next to nothing as he goes along but remains quite the mentor to me. and i know thats true across the board for so many really qualified and desrving players. i for 1 would live to see these guys be a whole lot more successful, financially or otherwise if nothing else but only to get themselves some reliable wheels so i know they dont have to worry about getting to their gigs in good shape. more power to'em all. and if they were jerks i wouldn't care but these guys are as good as folk as you can get. i hate the fact that i'm pigeonholed into being limited into what i can do for these people and always trying to find an avenue out of that situation. not for me but for them. please don't take peoples musical success for granted or to critically, deserving or otherwise. yours musically, Chri$. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:29:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - March 15 1995: Today, Reprise released "Sunny Sunday" as a single. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:19:59 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: random notes.... Lisa wrote: > a) I was wondering if anyone could > enlighten me as to why a Joni songbook > for WTRF would go for $152. on eBay. Is > this "rare"? Too bad all my books fell > apart at the bindings (not that I would > sell...) I have yet to figure out all the hoopla over WTRF. The CD was reissued as a gold master very early on; why? I like the album, but I don't know of anyone who says it's their favorite by Joni. I've always wondered who is behind this seemingly too-late promotion: Joni, Larry, or Geffen? > b) I live near Woodstock. It is a > MeSS of GenXers around there when the > anniversry festivals come to town. > Wouldn't plan a Jonifest then/there. Do you live near Woodstock or near Bethel? Last year a bunch of us attended A Day In The Garden, and those who hung out together after the show reported having a wonderful time (I was elsewhere afterwards, unfortunately, and didn't revel in the festivities at Don's RV). My friends and I stayed at a really nice B&B in the area, and a number JMDLers stayed at the Starlight/Bates Motel. I didn't have any sort of problems with GenXers; in fact, I barely noticed them. I would return to Bethel anytime -- in fact, I'm planning to do so this year, even though I know it will be packed due to the 30th anniversary. Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:21:49 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: random notes.... Lisa: > b) I live near Woodstock. It is a > MeSS of GenXers around there when the > anniversry festivals come to town. > Wouldn't plan a Jonifest then/there. Mark D: > Oh God forbid! What do you think we'll do? Give directions to > thirtysomethings?!? You might!!! Although you know we wouldn't pay attention. "Never trust anyone under 30." : ) Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:35:46 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #10 Hi there, Do you remember the group Devonsquare? They did a couple of albums on Atlantic in the early 90's. One of which featured both Stephen Stills and Jeff Pevar. The main singer/songwriter from Devonsquare has just recently finished his first solo album : Tom Dean - Your Own Backyard ( Dev Productions ) "Stepping out as a solo artist is a natural progression for me. I'm very comfortable on stage alone or with various backing musicians. I love the feeling of connecting and bringing everyone in the room to a similiar place emotionally. Walking on stage alone is a little like jumping off a cliff. You know you're gonna land, but you never really sure whether it's gonna be on your head or on your feet", Tom says. Tom's new solo album "Your Own Backyard" distinguishes him as a premier singer and songwriter. With the help of longtime friend and producer, Peter Gallway, Tom has put together a moving collection of songs and a stellar backing band with such notables as Shawn Pelton on drums ( from Shawn Colvin's band ), Michael Viseglia on bass ( from Suzanne Vega's band ) and Jeff Pevar on guitar ( CPR ). Especially "The Peev" shines like a knight in shining armour all throughout the whole disc! Great, great guitar-playing! For copies please contact : Dev Productions 15 Oak Street North Conway NH 03860 U.S.A. or email : devpro@ncia.net This is an album you can't live without! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:41:57 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Re: thing on Joni's mouth Hi Mark - No, I never felt that way about Joni's singing on Blue, but I find her soprano warblings on LOTC to be very hard to take, especially Blue Boy, a song I have never liked for a minute. In one of the best articles I ever read about Joni from a very good writer, she described BLUE as the ultimate break-up album. It's such an emotional work and that makes it hard to listen to. It's also the perfect album to connect with if you are going through a breakup, the same with HEJIRA. I couldn't get enough of Song for Sharon and just left the tape in my car stereo. Those two albums I played over and over again after my break ups a few years ago. Before that, I hadn't played them except when they first came out. I think as Joni matured, her style cooled, but even on TTT her singing still has an emotional edge to it that makes her songs come very much alive. It's a strange thing -- I have written my 7th song, called True, True Friend and it is the saddest, most haunting thing to come from me yet. It's about someone who died that I never cried for. The more I play it, the sadder I become, and it's gotten me to cry. This song touches people, but I'm going to limit myself to playing it now that I'm done composing it because it can send me deep into the lands of the overly morose! Clark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:47:43 -0500 (EST) From: Sue Subject: Joni in Education, etc. Hello listers! My daughter was doing her 8th grade writing homework and said to me, "Hey mom, look, The Circle Game is part of an assignment in my book". There it was, under "appreciate a song". How cool. The book was published by McDougall, Littell in 1994 and titled The Writer's Craft. Terry, to answer a question you asked a long while ago. I am pretty sure the book is the same one. It was written in Italian and had a picture of Joni in a straw hat in subdued shades of yellow. So sorry to hear about the JoniFest being cancelled. I feel that there were a lot of fence sitters like me who should have sent their $$$ in right away. I was planning on going, just never made the commitment. I would really like to thank the committee who took a lot of time and effort into making the plans for the activities, your work in trying to organize this event should not be forgotten. Wally, sounds like you are feeling much better. Would it be o.k. if we focus our thoughts and prayers Ric's way? I really think he and his family could use them right about now. DCers and Marsha....Great photos! I appreciate you sending pics over the list bandwidth, and hope we can expect to see more in the future. Les, how goes the recruitment for transcribers? Have you gotten enough help? If not let me know. Mary P., loved the thread about what would you have asked Joni. As you well know, I was the stupid one who shouted out "come and party with us" so I know all to well about how the mouth operates autonomously of the brain! Good thought on the question, I just wonder if she would have known the answer...she seems to get so bored with her old work... Marian, glad to know that you are putting the finishing touches on the cookbook. Just wish I was more of a chef to be able to contribute something. Simon, thanks for your recent posts. I always look forward to your astute writing style. Lastly, welcome to all of the "newbies". There are never enough people on this list! Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:19:45 -0400 From: Lisa Durfee Subject: Re: random notes.... Mark Domyancich wrote: > At 11:55 AM -0400 3/14/99, Lisa Durfee wrote: > > b) I live near Woodstock. It is a > > MeSS of GenXers around there when the > > anniversry festivals come to town. > > Wouldn't plan a Jonifest then/there. > > Oh God forbid! What do you think we'll do? Give directions to > thirtysomethings?!? > > Mark what I meant to say was: during the 25th Anniversary Concert in Saugerties NY a few years back I sat for hours in a lot of traffic and felt really old. Is that better? :) thirtysomething lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:44:15 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: random notes.... (NJC) thirtysomething lisa wrote: > what I meant to say was: during the 25th Anniversary Concert in > Saugerties NY a few years back I sat for hours in a lot of > traffic and felt really old. Is that better? :) Therein lies part of the problem: going to Saugerties instead of going to Yasgur's Farm near Bethel, where is the original Woodstock was held. My (doubtlessly uninformed) opinion is that the events held at Saugerties -- especially the 25th anniversary event -- have been exploitations of Woodstock '69, playing on the ignorance of people who assume "Woodstock, the event" was held in Woodstock, the town. That's not to say that A Day In The Garden was/is any less of a money-making exploitation. But the crowd in attendance to see Joni and some of the performers from the original Woodstock is naturally going to be different (older, perhaps more low-key) than the crowd that gathers to see Nine Inch Nails, etc. Interestingly, while the Sunday line-up at last year's ADITG festival was geared towards GenXers (Dishwalla, Joan Osborne, Marcy Playground, Goo Goo Dolls, Third Eye Blind), there was no alcohol scheduled to be sold that day. I don't know if that was an oversight on the part of the vendors who had to secure licenses very early in advance (perhaps before the Sunday show was added), or if it was planned ... but I thought it was a superb idea! Lori, definitely 40 in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:26:22 -0400 From: Lisa Durfee Subject: Re: random notes.... (NJC) LRFye@aol.com wrote: > thirtysomething lisa wrote: > > > what I meant to say was: during the 25th Anniversary Concert in > > Saugerties NY a few years back I sat for hours in a lot of > > traffic and felt really old. Is that better? :) > > Therein lies part of the problem: going to Saugerties instead of going to > Yasgur's Farm near Bethel, where is the original Woodstock was held. My > (doubtlessly uninformed) opinion is that the events held at Saugerties -- > especially the 25th anniversary event -- have been exploitations of > Woodstock......... But the crowd in attendance to see Joni and some of the > performers from the original Woodstock is naturally going to be different > (older, perhaps more low-key) I wish I'd been on line last year I would have definitely driven over there to meet you all. I'm one of these people who, before this list and discovering Wally website the first day I got "connected", felt like I was the last faithful fan around. I've never met anyone else who owned all her work and some videos and songbooks. Here on this list I feel like an amateur fan! I only got to see Joni perform once, and that was almost 25 years ago when I was 14 (sigh) lisasomething ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:32:42 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: random notes.... (NJC) lisasomething! : ) > I wish I'd been on line last year I would have definitely driven over there > to meet you all. So drive over to Bethel this year and meet those of us who go to the festival (which going to be held, according to the owner of the B&B where I stayed last year and hope to stay this year, although there is still no news as to who is performing) ... is anyone going besides me? Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:53:17 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Fugees Flack, Oberlin TTT review Kakki wrote: > > Deb Messling gave us the correct writer of the song - Ewan MacColl. The Ewan MacColl song (thanks for pointing it out, Deb, BTW) was "The First Time I Ever Saw Your Face," not "Killing Me Softly." I heard June Tabor do a lovely, lovely version of "The First Time..." in concert last year. (Don't know if she's recorded it.) I mention this also because June came immediately to mind during this thread about covers vs. originals. Although to call June's versions "covers" -- June being that rare singer who is good enough to carve out an artistic niche purely as an interpreter -- misses the point, actually. One other thing....I've just gotten involved with a small group of students here who have formed (or revived from several years ago) a folk music club. They're printing a newsletter to be distributed on campus this week including concert listings, news on a student singer/songwriter's upcoming album, and a review of TTT! Will post this here (if the author doesn't mind) when it comes out -- I'm sure it will be good. I talked with the girl who wrote it. She said she has 15 Joni albums. I asked which was her favorite. She said, "Hejira." She said she plays lots of Joni on her radio show. Cheers, - --David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:40:40 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: random notes.... time is money and money i serve, (Peter Gabriel) as much as we'd like to deny it, we're all in the same boat. waiver on you crazy island. flexibilty is a prerequisite in our house. could also be known as waivering but its only important if your actually keeping score. time to bring the specailly priced cadillac around toi the front. yours musically, Chri$. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:02:14 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC:Tinky Winky(not for those with no sense of humour) Thank God the Rev. Jerry Falwell has stepped in to clean up children's television. Recently he outed Tinky Winky, from that perverted show the "Teletubbies," because, Falwell pronounced, the character is clearly a fount of gayness: He's purple, the gay color; he has an antenna shaped like a triangle, the gay symbol; and he carries a purse, something all gay people do. But Falwell's work is far from over. You see, kiddy TV is downright rife with gay-ety. Heck, Toon Town is like one big circuit party and has been for years. *** Fred Flintstone Evidence: His nickname on the Bedrock bowling team: "Twinkle-toes Flintstone." The show's theme song ends "...we'll have a gay old time!" Wears an orange dress with little triangles on it. Hangs out with Barney far more than Wilma. *** Bugs Bunny Evidence: Often stands with hand on hip. Plays a hairdresser in one episode. Frequently dresses in drag. Loves to throw on a top hat and tails and belt out Broadway show-tunes with his buddy Daffy -- who, it's worth noting, has a lisp. *** Velma (of Scooby Doo) Evidence: Always tries to sit next to Daphne in the Mystery Machine. Sports that butch haircut. Has broad shoulders and wears thick turtleneck-sweaters and knee socks. Never once shagged Shaggy. *** Popeye Evidence: Eats lots of salad. Wears a sailor suit, even though he hasn't been on a ship in years. Does little sailor-dances. Dates a flat-chested transvestite named Olive Oyl. Best friend named Wimpy. *** Batman and Robin Evidence: Robin's nickname: Boy Wonder. Batman's real name: Bruce. Both wear tights. They're in great shape. They like to show each other their "grappling hooks". *** Peppermint Patty Evidence: Has a deep, gravelly voice. Wears pants, not dresses like the other Peanuts gals. Plays a mean game of football. Likes to taunt Charlie Brown. Always hanging out with that androgynous Marcie. Wears comfortable shoes. Nickname: Sir. *** The Pink Panther Helloooo??!! ___________________________________________________________________ - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:07:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Sandra B (NJC) Last year Sandra was on a tv show where one person egts to pick their fave songs and talk about them. She chose FOUR Joni songs. She said that Joni was GOD, more or less, when it comes to music and that no-one can compare to her. I think Sandra rather likes our Joni. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:52:09 -0500 From: Anne Madden Subject: Grammy Award Show and Album Sales Just read an interesting article in the March 20th Toronto Star entitled "Grammy Losers Win Big in Sales". ..."This year, the most heavily nominated stars who lost the most prestigious prizes did almost as well at the cash register as those who grabbed the top gold". They mention Lauryn Hill who took a bunch of awards home as well as performed on the show and how her sales doubled in one week. Shain Twain lost in the two biggest categories, yet her sales increased by a larger percentage than the Dixie Chicks who beat her in the Best country Album category. Alanis Morissette who won (over Lucinda) and who performed on the show "hardly saw her sales budge", yet .... "Even the most fleeting face time on the Grammycast can have a positive effect. Lucinda Williams didn't perform, but she momentarily got her face on the air when they read the nominations for Best Female Rock Vocal Performance. Though she missed that prize, her Car Wheels on A Gravel Road saw its sales go north by more than 50 per cent". I still can't figure out how Lucinda won Best Contemporary Folk Album and then was nominated (from same album) for Best Female Rock Vocal Performance?? Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:26:43 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Plug Of The Week #10 - NJC - -----Original Message----- From: Peter Holmstedt >Do you remember the group Devonsquare? > >This is an album you can't live without! > It's ok mate. I'll be fine really. Philip NP Beth Orton - Central Reservation ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:51:08 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: This just in!!!! (More Girly Guile JONI CONTENT!) In a message dated 3/14/99 2:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark-n- travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << I know I can be dense at times but the point of this escapes me. Would anyone care to clue in poor clueless me? >> Mark, I admire your courage in speaking up. I thought I was the only one who didn't get it! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:05:24 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: djrd cover Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:30:20 -0800 From: pmeyer Ryan L mentions Joni as a black man on the cover of DJRD. This sure looks like Joni to me. Also, the child on the back cover ("How?") looks to be Joni. paul m pmeyer NP Chalkmark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:37:09 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: djrd cover paul m wrote: > Ryan L mentions Joni as a black man on the cover of DJRD. This sure > looks like Joni to me. Also, the child on the back cover ("How?") looks > to be Joni. I seem to remember hearing or reading that all of the photos on DJRD are Joni. Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:25:16 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: thing on Joni's mouth - Blue Mark wrote: >Does anyone else feel like she was standing too close to it (the microphone) >when she recorded Blue? I know this is sacriledge, but....although some of >the songs on Blue are my very favorite Joni songs - A Case of You, Blue, >Richard, All I Want, California - I always had trouble tolerating the >sound of her voice on this record.... This is the main reason Blue is one of my two favourite Joni albums (the other - TI) - the emotional rawness that comes through in her voice - I would say it would be hard to achieve after hours in a studio. I would hazard a guess (without any evidence to back it up!) that this album was recorded in very few takes. Helen NP - Aretha - Queen of Soul, the very best of Aretha Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:01:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC:Tinky Winky(not for those with no sense of humour) I wonder whatever became of Pee Wee Herman? He was deemed way too ungodly for children too. Wallyk - -----Original Message----- De: catman Para: jmdl Fecha: Domingo 14 de Marzo de 1999 18:11 Asunto: NJC:Tinky Winky(not for those with no sense of humour) >Thank God the Rev. Jerry Falwell has stepped in to clean up children's >television. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #118 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! 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