From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #115 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, March 12 1999 Volume 04 : Number 115 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Attn. Guitarists: My Best To You - corrected!! [M.Russell@iaea.org] RE: Hooks & road trips [Chris Marshall ] Re: (NJC) Dusty tribute [Jerry Notaro ] Very Strange Boy [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Hooks/TTT's theme [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Everybody has a DED [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] The Blade Bros. (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: The Blade Bros. (NJC) [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers ["Don Rowe" ] Re: joni-the-painter-first [Phyliss Ward ] RE: SJC - Sam Cooke and other covers [Michael Yarbrough ] Photo of DC Jmdlers [Bounced Message ] re: Everybody has a DED [Bounced Message ] Amy Grant sings Joni [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Amy Grant sings Joni [Jerry Notaro ] Dylan/Simom Tour (vljc) [Ken Corral ] NJC-autoharps [Randy Remote ] Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Dylan/Simom Tour (vljc) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: joni-the-painter-first [Lisa Durfee ] Celebrity Picks - People Mag ["Kakki" ] 103.1 [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: 103.1 ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Celebrity Picks - People Mag [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: HOOKS [Strummed@aol.com] RE: Celebrity Picks - People Mag ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers [The Humphreys ] Re: A jmdl game -- Find the Hooks! [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Blue Gold [Wally Breese ] Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: joni-the-painter-first [luvart@snet.net] Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Today in Joni History - March 12 [Today in Joni History ] re quality of painting with.....video [Bounced Message ] The bad news on JoniFest 1999 [Les Irvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:18:02 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Attn. Guitarists: My Best To You - corrected!! I realized that I explained the strumming pattern wrongly (I was doing it without my guitar at hand), so I've made a correction and updated the files in JMDL Guitar. Sorry about that! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:16:50 -0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: Hooks & road trips On Thursday, March 11, 1999 2:10 AM, Scott Price [SMTP:sp@olympus.net] wrote: > To me it's like each album has a > general theme, [...] Hejira's "road trip," Last year I spent five weeks in the USA, travelling in a U shape from Boston down to Atlanta, across to LA via Arizona then up through SF to Seattle. All of it on Greyhound, save for Highway 1. Needless to say, I think, "Hejira" and "Don Juan" were perfect road trip companions, and saved me from the insanity of interminable greyhound journeys... - --Chris ObligatoryFreakyMoment: Waking up on the bus, just as 10,000 Maniacs start playing "The Painted Desert" in my ears, looking out of the window to see... the Painted Desert, and the Painted Desert Indian Visitor Centre. Ooooh, tingly sensation... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:36:38 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (NJC) Dusty tribute Thanks, Michael. Not only moving, but accurate. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:16:59 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Very Strange Boy Lori adds: <> Yeah, I'll buy that! Back in my dating days, when I started dating someone new I'd make them a mix tape, for fun but also to gauge what they liked musically and what they didn't. I'd usually *always* start it with "Strange Boy"... (Maybe subliminally I was using "Strange Boy" to get some "Strange"...) Sorry to say though that my skateboarding days are behind me! :~) Thanks for the smile. Bob NP: Spyrogyra "Catching The Sun" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:00:11 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Hooks/TTT's theme Scott wrote: <> I find it interesting that you define TTT's theme as record biz bitterness, Scott. Really only the Title track deals directly with the subject, and of course it's also the title of the record. Lead Balloon could be thought to be about a sour relationship with a record exec, but the lyrics don't directly point you in that direction. However, there are a couple of songs that would indicate that "The Tiger" she's talking about taming is a relationship as well as her career in the record biz. "Man From Mars", "Love Puts on a new Face", "Crazy Cries", "Stay in Touch", "Face Lift", all directly deal with the challenges and frustrations of love, whether it's brand new or mature. Anyway, I'm not saying you're not right, and the connotations we associate with a particular song or record are unique and real for each of us. Bob NP: The Clash "Jimmy Jazz" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:09:38 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Everybody has a DED Don the Dedhead writes: <> Hey Don, This post was great and very eye-opening. And I agree with all the picks except for Bruce. The only synths on Tunnel of Love were on the title track, as for other keyboards, he had the organ sounds way back in the early days. I don't see as the Boss has put out his DED yet. At first, I thought you were writing about a mass suicide here...bad enough we lose Joe Dimaggio this week without all these other celebrities turning up DED... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:26:49 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: The Blade Bros. (NJC) Happy the Man wrote: "Benny Blade, Brian's brother is the drummer and she shares that he put down his sticks for 3 years before going on tour. Her guitarist on the show is Buddy Green." Happy- Does Brian have another brother "Benny"? I am only aware of his brother Brady (who is now touring with Jewel w/ Tony Hall formally of the Neville Brothers and Harry Connick, Jr.'s Bands on bass). That would be cool three brothers who are drummers! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:49:09 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: The Blade Bros. (NJC) Michael Paz wrote: > > Happy the Man wrote: > "Benny Blade, Brian's brother is the drummer and she shares that > he put down his sticks for 3 years before going on tour. Her guitarist on > the show is Buddy Green." Also, I thought this guy's name was Buddy Miller if we're talking about Julie Miller's husband. They performed with Emmylou when I say her a couple of years ago with Iris Dement & Jimmie Dale Gilmore. Buddy & Julie came out & did a pre-opening opening act, just Buddy on acoustic & Julie singing. And to answer Anne Madden's question, the song on 'Wrecking Ball' & 'Spyboy' that Julie Miller wrote is 'All My Tears'. Mark > > Happy- > Does Brian have another brother "Benny"? I am only aware of his brother > Brady (who is now touring with Jewel w/ Tony Hall formally of the > Neville Brothers and Harry Connick, Jr.'s Bands on bass). That would be > cool three brothers who are drummers! > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:04:33 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers Hi Hellen! Interesting post. No I don't think you're being inflexible, and even if you are, that doesn't mean that there's a dense forest of horrendous covers out there. Actually, I'm pretty much in your camp -- with a couple of notable exceptions -- which I think all share certain qualities. I always seem to prefer other people's covers of Dylan songs -- from The Byrds to Judy Collins, Peter Paul and Mary to Joan Baez. But such artists usually take the concept of "the cover" further, shaping and molding the original song to their own style, which usually results in an effort so removed from the original as to be almost an *original* of its own. When covers are done like this -- fine. I'll still maintain that this is the exception rather than the rule. Take care. Don Rowe Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 19:16:10 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: joni-the-painter-first Siqwomb@aol.com wrote: > what really made me steam was the following: > "I'm a painter first, and a painter--UNLIKE A MUSICIAN--is driven to innovate, > generally speaking." > Ummm, excuse me? Is she saying here that musicians are NOT driven to > innovate? -- Once again, I recommend anyone who doesn't get this "painter first" thing to listen to the recent radio conversation for TTT. One more example Joni gave which might illustrate her point about being more like a painter is how she explains why she doesn't do her old songs anymore. 1.) They were written for an ingenue role; 2.) Her voice has changed; 3.) She doesn't remember how she even played the guitar back then. When asked why Dylan and Morrison can still play their old songs she replied "Yeah, but their styles haven't changed that much either." I have to agree here. She also suggested that if you had asked Picasso later in life to paint again in an early style, he probably wouldn't have been able to. Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:19:23 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: SJC - Sam Cooke and other covers Helen Adcock wrote: <<>> Of course I have to jump in on this. :-) It might ease your conscience a bit to know that the Fugees cover of KMS was released on their *second* album, _The Score_. Their first album was _Blunted on Reality_. Furthermore, KMS was *not* intended to be released as a single by the Fugees. Radio simply picked it up from the record. The first true single from _The Score_ was "Fu-gee-la," which incorporates elements from a Kool and the Gang song but is a Fugees composition in its own right. So the Fugees definitely did not release a cover of an already popular song before releasing anything of their own. I happen to like the cover, but I know others who don't. Six vs. half-dozen on that count, IMO. <<>> I think it's primarily a tribute to an artist they admire (an artist who, in Roberta Flack's case, is more maligned than honored by critics, it's worth noting. Perhaps they're attempting to set the record straight, as it were). I think it's also an attempt to provide a clue to their influences. Lauryn has spoken in interviews of her appreciation of the clear literalism of Roberta's songs ("The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face") and her attempts to merge that with the braggadocio of hip-hop. <<< those who include the original artist >>> Roberta performed the song with the Fugees on the MTV Video Music Awards. <<>> Aretha actually wrote and co-wrote a number of her hits, some of which went on to be covered by other singers (including Dusty Springfield.) I love covers, especially radically different ones that reimagine the original song. Most of my favorite covers are by artists who normally write their own material, but some are by artists who rarely or never do, perhaps because they're smart enough to recognize that they are better interpreters than writers. High among these is Holly Cole's brilliant, foreboding recasting of "River" with a spare bass line and downturned melody. - --Michael NP: Aaliyah, _Age Ain't Nothin' but a Number_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:03:59 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: painting with words and music Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Bates For some reason this video is already on sale in Australia - I bought it last month and have been playing it ever since. It really is too wonderful for words - a fantasy JM concert - intimate venue, great band, wonderful songs and JM in really fine voice and quite funny too boot, especially her story about knitting, stars and Woodstock. The version of Trouble Man is a real surprise ( I guess it shouldn't be) because somehow, more than all the other covers I have heard JM do, this one shows what a great singer she is. There is a bit at the end which sends shivers up my spine - partly I think because she is such control of the song - in fact for the few moments that she is singing it, she really owns the song! It is just a fab moment in pop music history! The whole video is a kind of greatest hits of the last 25 years and there are no dud songs here - there are not many tracks from TTT but they are choice and especially suited to this particular band who, at least in the mix, are just perfect for this choice of material. Wow, it must have been fun to be there but I am just grateful that this video actually got made and that it is such an appropriate way to present JM. The chances of sitting down to a JM concert in a small venue are pretty slim so this is a kind of consolation prize that I am very happy for. I doubt that it will, but wouldn't it be great if it was a bestseller. I think non JM fans will be pleasantly surprised (and she looks great too!) Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:05:46 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Photo of DC Jmdlers Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:49:17 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Howdy to all out there in Jmdl-Land, I finally found the time to mail Les a photo of the "DC-CollegePark JM-in-Concert Weekend." If you care to get a glimpse of moi, Bob Hannah (The Kingpin,) Jerry Notaro, Michael Yarbrough and Barbara in front of the VanGogh banner---go to http://www.jmdl.com/articles/review981105.htm Sending warm wishes your way, - -Julie Z. Webb, still Don Juan's Fertile Daughter at heart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:06:18 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: re: Everybody has a DED Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:57:41 -0600 (CST) From: David G Skoglund Actually Neil Young has two DED's. The other is "Landing on Water" which came out in 1986. David Skoglund email: david.g.skoglund-2@tc.umn.edu home page: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~skogl004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:51:57 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Amy Grant sings Joni FYI.......Amy Grant was on THE VIEW this morning. She introduced her song, that she would sing an old Joni Mitchell song because she knew everyone would sing along and then proceeded to sing BIG YELLOW TAXI on her guitar. Always good to hear anything Joni! Laura :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:23:40 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Amy Grant sings Joni Laura, Amy had a pretty big hit with BYT. Many on the list have said they didn't like it, but I thought it was very good. Jerry mann@chicagonet.net wrote: > FYI.......Amy Grant was on THE VIEW > this morning. She introduced her song, > that she would sing an old Joni Mitchell > song because she knew everyone would > sing along and then proceeded to sing > BIG YELLOW TAXI on her guitar. > > Always good to hear anything Joni! > > Laura :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:30:58 -0800 From: Ken Corral Subject: Dylan/Simom Tour (vljc) Hey everybody, Tiny, tiny news item in yesterday's L.A. Times, Calendar section: "Bob Dylan and Paul Simon are teaming up for a summer concert tour in which the acclaimed singer-songwriters are expected to perform at least a couple of songs together during each show, sources confirmed Tuesday. This will be Simon's first tour since 1991, while Dylan has remained almost constantly on the road in recent years, both on his own and in a recent package with Joni Mitchell and Van Morrison. Simon, who is coming off the failed Broadway musical "The Capeman," is believed to be working on a new album that could be out before the June and July trek... Think the duets will happen? NP: Moby with Heather Nova covering The Clash's "Straight To Hell" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:31:40 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: NJC-autoharps the following companies sell autoharps: Lark In The Morning (Mendocino, CA, USA) (707) 964-5569 fax(707) 964-1979 they specialize in exotic instruments, ie celtic, lutes and almost everything else you can imagine. They sell "Chromaharps" 15 or 21 chord ("chorded zithers") for $155 & $180 w/o case Goodden's Music Educator Supply, Dallas TX, USA (800) 637-8966 fax(800)637-9399 hopefully they sell to individuals. They have 15 & 21 chord autoharps for $175 & $193 w/o case. Also carry tuning hammer which you will need National Music Supply, Tampa, FL, USA (800) 768-6393 fax(800) 823-8840 specialize in band instruments. Their "Chromaharps", 15 & 21 chord pictured are identical to Goodden's, but cheaper: $163 & $171, w/o case. Also have tuning hammer. Sorry it took so long! RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:15:55 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers Helen wrote: << Some examples I will NOT listen to: Michael Bolton's "Dock of the Bay">> I have to laugh when I think about this cover, I mean, did Michael Bolton think that maybe Otis didn't *quite* get it right the first time!?! :~) Ditto for his slaughter of "When A Man Loves A Woman". Stick to softball, Michael... <> Maybe it's common knowledge, but King/Goffin's "Natural Woman" was written specifically for Aretha, and of course, she nailed it dead on. Not to imply, however, that Aretha was a "flavour of the month". By the same token, let's not take anything away from the Goffin/King team or Carole by herself as a songwriter. She was *so* good her babysitter (Little Eva) took her song "Locomotion" to #1. The same tune repeated for Grand Funk as a #1. (Carole King trivia for 1000, Art!) <> Helen, I would have to say that there are a lot of great covers out there and you're only depriving yourself of a lot of great music by only listening to the writer's versions. I agree with Michael that a true artist will re-interpret the song in a unique way. I could list a lot of examples, I'm thinking of Joni's "Unchained Melody" as a lament for a lost child. Look what she brings to the lyric! Neil Young's "On Broadway" re-writes the song without changing a word, and I could go on and on. Plus, you have to consider, how many Fugees fans didn't know Roberta Flack's music existed before their version of KMS - covers can be a good way to re-introduce great songs and great artists to new generations. Bob NP: Patsy Cline< "Why Can't He Be You" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:59:19 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Dylan/Simom Tour (vljc) >"Bob Dylan and Paul Simon are teaming up for a summer concert tour Okay, this is really TOO much. Yet again, I'll likely be forced to endure another Dylan set and stadium full of stoned, obnoxious Dylan fans just to be able to hear Paul Simon ... first Joni, now this! Will it NEVER end! Supremely exasperated, Don Rowe Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:06:23 -0400 From: Lisa Durfee Subject: Re: joni-the-painter-first Phyliss Ward wrote: ............... like a painter is how she explains why > she doesn't do her old songs anymore......... She also suggested that if you had > asked Picasso later in > life to paint again in an early style, he probably wouldn't have been able to. So, like, nobody ever asked him to paint another Demoiselles again, man He painted it; that was it! Lisa D - who misses all the cries for requests and Jonis sexy "alriiiiiight" that were snipped from the streamlined MOA CD version. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:19:36 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Celebrity Picks - People Mag In the People Magazine 25th Anniversary edition (just out) a number of celebs were asked to pick their favorite book, film, TV show or song since 1974. Guess who picked Joni? Christie Brinkley - Model - "Joni Mitchell's Court and Spark. I've always been a big fan of hers. Her lyrics are so interesting and emotional and come from the heart of an artist." Some others - Judy Collins - Singer - "The album Graceland is the most innovative musically. It was brilliant the way Paul Simon did it - going to South Africa and working with South African musicians to pull something together that was part of their culture. And of course Paul Simon was singing at his peak." Carly Simon - Singer - "Jimmy Webb's Ten Easy Pieces presents a great artist unadorned." Footnote: Rosie O'Donnell picked Fleetwood Mac's Rumours and Bryant Gumbel picked Prince's Purple Rain. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:33:26 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: 103.1 Here in Los Angeles we have an interesting new radio station, and I am wondering if the same station is popping up in other U.S. cities. They call themselves World Class Rock, and of course, they caught my attention one night when I was scanning through the channels on a night ride home and suddenly heard Crazy Cries of Love, the first time I had ever heard anything from TTT on the radio other than on public radio. They also thrilled me on a sunny Sunday morning when they played "California" on my way to volleyball. Besides Joni, they have a very interesting mix that includes new bands like Cake and New Radicals as well as Dave Matthews, Sarah McLachlan, and lots of old Eighties bands like the Clash, the Police, etc. Right now they are playing Aaron Neville, and just before, Bob Marley and Collective Soul. Sometimes they play old Elton John and Genesis. It's a very interesting, eclectic mix and I recommend it to Angelenos who are sick of the girly guile of Star and the overplayed classics of Arrow. Catching up with all my old digests, and it's interesting to see Joni keeps on slamming so many of the female artists who all worship her. A while ago she called Madonna something like a "hard hooker", disparaged Alanis Morisette, and now she's calling Jewel "insipid". I think Jewel IS insipid, but that cartoon from SNL sounded fairly cruel to me. I guess Jewel gets enough strokes from her album sales, but does insipidness warrant such a cruel attack? Everyone knows Joni is the real thing. Much as Joni herself talks about the peak of her popularity in the Seventies as a phenomenon somewhat outside herself, she must miss all that focus and resent the popularity of the new women. NP: 103.1 Clark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:51:19 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: 103.1 Clark wrote: >Here in Los Angeles we have an interesting new radio station, and I am >wondering if the same station is popping up in other U.S. cities. They call >themselves World Class Rock, and of course, they caught my attention one night >when I was scanning through the channels on a night ride home and suddenly >heard Crazy Cries of Love, the first time I had ever heard anything from TTT >on the radio other than on public radio. They also thrilled me on a sunny Sunday morning when they played "California" on my way to volleyball. I listen to 103.1 every day at work. Their main disc jockey, Nicole Sandler is a huge Joni fan and plays Joni's music (and also our other faves) every day on regular rotation. Sometimes I would almost swear that Nicole is on the Joni list (are you here Nicole?!) There are days where we are discussing the most obscure artists here and within hours she will be playing those songs on the program! This seems to happen on a regular basis. She also plays a lot of Van, Lucinda, Sarah and Tori. I wish there was a way for the whole list to tune into the station. 103.1 also has a Sunday morning alternative-to-church program called "Sunday Sunrise" and the announcement for the program plays part of Joni singing "Chelsea Morning" and also a little of James Taylor. Bless you Nicole! As for Joni getting snippy about the younger female artists - I also don't see why Joni feels a need to make such comments about them. I can't imagine that she thinks of them as her competition. Maybe she has the feeling that they have somehow have it much easier than she did and it makes her cranky. I think it irks her that Jewel can easily sell a zillion units and get publicity all over the place while she never had it so good on some levels, even in the best of times. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:37:20 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers My personal opinion is that any cover song Van Morrison does becomes his. I would also add that on programs like Austin County Limits you get to hear the original songwriters do their songs that in many cases were done by name artists. Most times the writer does bring a feel to the song that is interestingly different than the original done by the name artist. marcel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:42:59 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Celebrity Picks - People Mag Kakki said: <> Of course Christie & Joni are connected...Christie is also a painter first! Check out that 'beautiful' cover of Billy Joel's "River of Dreams"! 8~) Bob NP: Bruce Cockburn, "The Mines of Mozambique" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:06:40 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: HOOKS hook? as in hook(a) ? hookey? nookey? no key? let me in wilma!!! captain hook ? tailhook ? as in scandal ? tail ? all day . i am not a crook! hookbox ? play 2214, throw that crappy back in the sea. line and sinker ? jam night at the minnow in alameda, should hook some acts. maybe just zappem with a laser pointer. got to support your local musician though so can't go there. call me a cab because i'm checking out. yours musically, coo coo ca choo, hook this, Chri$. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:26:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Celebrity Picks - People Mag oh that's right ! wasn't she married to joel? the painting is really hideous!!!! Bob said> Of course Christie & Joni are connected...Christie is also a painter first! >Check out that 'beautiful' cover of Billy Joel's "River of Dreams"! 8~) > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:37:32 -0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: joni-the-painter-first On Thursday, March 11, 1999 6:06 PM, Lisa Durfee [SMTP:durflink@epix.net] wrote: > Lisa D - who misses all the cries for requests and Jonis sexy "alriiiiiight" that > were snipped from the streamlined MOA CD version. Seems to be present on my copy - although I suspect mine's one of these new-fangled HDCD jobbies. Cheers, - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:38:38 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: A jmdl game -- Find the Hooks! don rowe your boat starts the bidding at 45. do i hear 98? come on flat top groovin up slowly joojoo eyeball holy roller. hook me now and pay me later. fighting joe hooker ? i digress, your wearing me out. ( all for fun folk) calgon take me awayyyyyy. excellent obserservation don, pork pie hats off to you, Chri$. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:53:51 EST From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: Celebrity Picks - People Mag Funny about Christie, because I remember her bouncing around the Hamptons as a young lass, living in the high style of her father's fame. Of course, she had the taste level to appreciate Joni Mitchell. Like all of us here :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:55:46 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: Incongruous purchases (njc) wally, >A Song for You by The Carpenters together with ... Trilogy by Emerson, Lake and Palmer. The check out guy at Tower asked which one I wanted gift wrapped. you should have told him to wrap them together! the effrontery! patrick np - bette - bathhouse betty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:50:50 -0500 From: The Humphreys Subject: Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > > My personal opinion is that any cover song Van Morrison does becomes his. I > would also add that on programs like Austin County Limits you get to hear the > original songwriters do their songs that in many cases were done by name > artists. Most times the writer does bring a feel to the song that is > interestingly different than the original done by the name artist. marcel. This reminds me of New Grass Revival who did a great Austin City Limits show...Garth Brooks covered their song "Baton Rouge" and was tacky enough to maintain the original breaks down to ever lick...Sam Bush (founder of NGR) now intros this song, when he plays it, as his Garth Brooks tune...:-) Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:43:21 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: A jmdl game -- Find the Hooks! In a message dated 3/11/99 5:48:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, Strummed@aol.com writes: << don rowe your boat starts the bidding at 45. do i hear 98? come on flat top groovin up slowly joojoo eyeball holy roller. hook me now and pay me later. fighting joe hooker ? i digress, your wearing me out. ( all for fun folk) calgon take me awayyyyyy. excellent obserservation don, pork pie hats off to you, Chri$. >> Hey Chris, Sounds like your ship came in. How about sharing some of that with the rest of us. Paul I NP: Don't Bogart That Joint -- Little Feat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 99 18:29:45 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Blue Gold Hi everyone, I've put up a page on JM.COM to promote the new DCC Gold Disc release of Joni's classic 1971 album, Blue. Come on over and read all about it at the following address: http://www.JoniMitchell.com/BlueGold399.html I'm also running a contest on the page where you can win a FREE copy of the Gold Disc. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:45:31 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers >I always seem to prefer other people's covers of Dylan songs -- from The >Byrds to Judy Collins, Peter Paul and Mary to Joan Baez... >Don Rowe Don, I have to agree with you on Dylan (eating my words, even as I speak them!) but the all-time classic cover of Dylan (IMHO) is Joan Baez doing "Simple Twist of Fate" where in the second or third verse, she does the best "take-off" of Dylan's voice that I've ever heard - complete with signatory nasal drawl and whine - absolutely brilliant! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:55:39 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: joni-the-painter-first At 09:59 PM 3/10/99 EST, you wrote: > >"I'm a painter first, and a painter--UNLIKE A MUSICIAN--is driven to innovate, >generally speaking." > >Ummm, excuse me? Is she saying here that musicians are NOT driven to >innovate? Is it just me, or is that really what she's saying here? IMO Joni is just trying to justify what she wants to be (is) ... a painter. Besides some of the great jazz musicians were innovators! John Coltrane comes to mind ..... what about Miles Davis (and check out HIS artwork!!). I thought Joni thought herself to be a jazz muscian(??) I think Joni just blurts things out without too much thought sometimes. Oh well ..... I guess we all do :-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:08:27 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NJC - Sam Cooke and other covers Bob Muller wrote: > Maybe it's common knowledge, but King/Goffin's "Natural Woman" was > written specifically for Aretha, and of course, she nailed it dead on. > Not to imply, however, that Aretha was a "flavour of the month". By > the same token, let's not take anything away from the Goffin/King team > or Carole by herself as a songwriter. She was *so* good her babysitter > (Little Eva) took her song "Locomotion" to #1. The same tune repeated > for Grand Funk as a #1. (Carole King trivia for 1000, Art!) Carole and Gerry actually wrote "Locomotion" for Little Eva too - Carole: "she was babysitting for us at the time, but we knew she could sing, and it was only a matter of time before we wrote something for her" (I think I've got the quote right - it's a while since I watched the video!) By the way, I actually like Carole's version of "Natural Woman" better - sorry! > Helen, I would have to say that there are a lot of great covers out > there and you're only depriving yourself of a lot of great music by > only listening to the writer's versions Don't get me wrong, I do listen to covers, and some I like better than the original (see my post re: Dylan), but generally and personally speaking, I tend to "prefer" the original - that's not to say I never like the cover! > Plus, you have to consider, how many Fugees fans didn't know Roberta > Flack's music existed before their version of KMS - covers can be a > good way to re-introduce great songs and great artists to new > generations. Good point, I stand corrected, this point was also made by Michael Yarbrough, in his post. But that little devil in my head still says "Why don't they do their own songs, and tell everyone (including their record company) in their interviews, that they were heavily influenced by Roberta Flack, rather than just release the song? It would still generate enough interest from their own fans to make them find out more. If Joni mentions an artist she was influenced by, I certainly check them out! And I bet the Fugees profited more (financially) than Roberta Flack from the release of the single (although I'll be quite prepared to eat my words if I'm wrong - God, I love a good healthy debate)! Anyway, better go - I'm glad my opinions stirred things up out there! Helen NP - Carole King - Pearls, Songs of Goffin and King (all songs released by other people, including Donny Osmond - see I'm not that inflexible!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:28:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - March 12 1974: Joni performs at the Seattle Center Arena - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:19:23 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: re quality of painting with.....video Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:13:19 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Bates Re Phil Klein's question about video quality, I don't have a great ear but the sound quality on my copy of painting with.....brought in Australia, sounds fine and the vocals are very clear - in fact I think that the mix is excellent. Sounds like you have a dud copy (or the whole batch is poor). Take back immediately - it's your duty as part of the Joni quality control squad. Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:44:47 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: The bad news on JoniFest 1999 Joniphiles - It is with great regret that I announce the demise of JoniFest 1999. The event, at least as initially planned, will not take place in August of this year. As a planning committee, we set our sights a bit too high. We had hoped to generate enough interest to secure the funds to pay for the cost of reserving the location for us. We were not able to do so. In addition, a number of those who were initial advocates of the Fest have left the list, making it even tougher keep the project afloat. Those of you who have already sent in your deposit for the festival - please send me your mailing address so that I can issue you a refund. It is my sincere hope that we can get a JoniFest 2000 off the ground. And, it is my hope that some regional - perhaps less ambitious - JoniFests will still surface this summer. Again, my sincere apologies to all for the demise of the planned festival. Please send all hate mail directly to me rather than the list. Thanks and sorry... Les ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #115 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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