From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #113 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 10 1999 Volume 04 : Number 113 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Jonatha Brooke, Emmylou & NJC ["Happy The Man" ] Re: Jonatha Brooke, Emmylou & NJC [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Joni in new Rolling Stone [Michael Yarbrough ] Beth Orton & Jane Siberry - NJC [skara@hcia.com] Re: Beth Orton & Jane Siberry - NJC [Lisa Durfee ] misc Joni musings [Randy Remote ] Re: misc Joni musings [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Short Digests (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Mp3's [Michael Paz ] Autoharp's [Michael Paz ] Re: misc Joni musings ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Mp3's [Mark Domyancich ] Mp3's (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell [Dflahm@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:07:47 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Jonatha Brooke, Emmylou & NJC Just recently picked up Jonatha's "Live" album which kind of surprised me after only two releases but I have found it very listenable and my wife likes it which I am not sure how to take that since she stomach's Joni after 17 years of marriage. If you have not caught Emmylou Harris's...Spyboy on PBS you are missing a great show. Benny Blade, Brian's brother is the drummer and she shares that he put down his sticks for 3 years before going on tour. Her guitarist on the show is Buddy Green. He has two records to date and they are awesome. Rolling Stone in all their glory actually like them. Julie Miller, Buddy's wife sings background on one song. She has about 5 albums of her own which I have really enjoyed. They fall in the wounded healer category of music. She has a little Cindy Lauper in her voice but her passion for seeing people healed from broken past is evident through her own struggle in her songs. Check them out. Also, it is a good month for PBS. Peace, Craig NP: David Matthew - Crowded Streets (My son has it cranked through the walls) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:25:17 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke, Emmylou & NJC Craig happily reported: <> And I've kept Jonatha's "Plumb" in heavy rotation after taking Marsha's advice...really a great record, especially the track with Bruce Cockburn. Wy wife also is crazy about it but she doesn't stomach Joni much...yet. :>) <> To the best of my recollection, RS has always been a pretty big Emmylou fan. <> Oh no, another category in the record store?!? I suppose "Wounded Healer" music is gonna be found between "World" and "Xtreme Punk"? :~) Bob NP: The Chieftains: "Maneo" from 'Santiago' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:50:40 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Joni in new Rolling Stone The current issue of Rolling Stone features "guitar gods," with an illustration of Jimi Hendrix on the cover. Joni is the only woman whose name is featured on the cover. Inside are short statements from a number of accomplished (and a couple not-so-accomplished) guitarists on their influences, etc. Joni-the-painter-first has a short statement in which she discusses Cotten-picking and Rachmaninoff as influences, and Melissa Etheridge also mentions Joni's guitar playing in her piece. Unfortunately I don't have the magazine with me, so I can't retype the text right now. It's so so so so nice to see Joni honored by critics for her guitar playing. I've always felt they let their praise for her songwriting crowd out equally deserved praise for her performing abilities. - --Michael NP: Suzanne Vega, _Nine Objects of Desire_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:19:45 -0500 From: skara@hcia.com Subject: Beth Orton & Jane Siberry - NJC I am a lurker but I just had to get more info on Beth Orton. [Is it a cardinal sin that my first post is NJC? : ) ] I saw her on Sessions at West 54th a couple of weeks ago and really loved her. The thing is, it was acoustic with herself, her guitar and a guy also playing a guitar. I love acoustic music and am quite sure her first album and the new one coming out will not be. Is this true? If so, is the first CD mellow music or rock & roll? Also, can anyone recommend female singer-songwriter-acoustic music that would be along the same line as Beth's on West 54th? I also saw Jane Siberry on Sessions and enjoyed her. What do you think of her Teenager acoustic album? Worth a try? I do have her tape that is a compilation (the one with Mimi on the Beach) and it was a bit too rock & roll for me. I love her voice, clever lyrics and the newsletter I receive from her site but just can't hang with the rock and roll long enough to enjoy the rest. Even though I have read it here a 1000 times before - I must say that I really appreciate having a place dedicated to Joni where I can read the discussions about her music. I have only known one other person in my 52 years that enjoyed her as much as I do so this discussion list is a real treat. It also has contributed greatly to my getting back into Joni's music after being "away" for about 10 years. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:59:47 -0400 From: Lisa Durfee Subject: Re: Beth Orton & Jane Siberry - NJC skara@hcia.com wrote: > I also saw Jane Siberry on Sessions and enjoyed her. What do you think of > her Teenager acoustic album? Worth a try? I do have her tape that is a > compilation (the one with Mimi on the Beach) and it was a bit too rock & > roll for me. I love her voice, clever lyrics and the newsletter I receive > from her site but just can't hang with the rock and roll long enough to > enjoy the rest. I have everything by Jane and have never listened to my (autographed) copy of "teenager" more than twice. It is very Joni-wannabe if you ask me, like she wrote all those songs as a teenager idolizing Joni. Get Janes first album -or Bound by the Beauty. or: "When I was a Boy", or which may be too techno for your tastes but the price of the CD just hearing "Calling all Angels" and "Love is Everything" is worth it. I guess I like Jane too much to try and sell you on one single recording to start with.... Lisa D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:41:55 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: misc Joni musings Here are a few disconnected thoughts. Comments welcome. 1. I was listening to "Down to You" on a really good set of head- phones the other day (HDCD version). The piano sound is distorted. The rest of the track isn't. 2. In the movie, "Alice's Restaurant", when Woody Gutherie dies, a young woman in a long dress with long blonde hair sings "Songs To Aging Children" at his grave. In real life, did Joni do this? The movie would seem to suggest this. 3. Consensus on "Hejira" is that it is probably the most highly regarded of Joni's albums, rightly so. Common wisdom on writing songs is that a song has to have a "hook", a repeating chorus to make the tune memorable, yet the songs on this album mostly do not. 4. There is a percussion instrument in "Harry's House" that sounds very much like a pair of scissors snipping in rhythm. A subliminal message? RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:19:29 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: misc Joni musings Randy mused: **Consensus on "Hejira" is that it is probably the most highly regarded of Joni's albums, rightly so. Common wisdom on writing songs is that a song has to have a "hook", a repeating chorus to make the tune memorable, yet the songs on this album mostly do not. ** Yes, it is certainly an "uncommon" album. I think you have to make the distinction between commercial success and artistic success. The album didn't follow convention, had no hits, etc. But artistically, it towers above what has come before or since in terms of creating a sonic landscape, merging poetry with ethereal music. *But* that doesn't mean the record doesn't have hooks! For me, a "hook" isn't defined by solely a repeating chorus (ala BYT) but rather establishing any sound that instantly identifies that song to you. Think about the little feedback that introduces The Beatles "I Feel Fine"...as soon as you hear it, that very second, you know the song. That's a "hook". Most of the hooks for me on Hejira are vocal or associated with Jaco's Bass. Shoot, the first time I heard the record when it came out, I didn't know what the instrument was, it was so radical! I thought it was some kind of wacky woodwind or something! The background vocals in "Sharon", Neil Young's harmonica in "Furry", her vocal of Furry's voice saying "I don't like you"... all these are hooks for me. Plus I always find myself singing along with the record, adding harmonies that aren't otherwise there. Does anybody else do this? It's hard for me to sing these melodies straight on as I've been singing these invented harmonies for so long... Anyway, nice post - I can't help you on those other comments, but as for Hejira and "Common Wisdom", it's totally Uncommon (thank goddess) but overflowing with wisdom... Bob NP: The Jackson 5, "Got to Be There" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:18:23 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Short Digests (NJC) Hello All- Is it my computer, the internet, or is it me? The digests have been very short the last three times I have received them. LES? Best wishes to all, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:24:26 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Mp3's Hi Terry- Go to Lycos.com and go to the bottom of the page and you will see a button called Mp3 search. Do you have a player? They have them there as well. Also check out: http://www.cynosure.com/dmb/990120.html This is the only place I have been able to actually download files without a huge waiting time or lots of messages saying the server was busy. It is a Dave Matthews show he played recently as a duo with Tim Reynolds. AWESOME!!!!! Love Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:28:08 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Autoharp's Marian- I can probably find you an autoharp here locally for very cheap. I will look then email you privatly. Love Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:40:28 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: misc Joni musings > 2. In the movie, "Alice's Restaurant", when Woody Gutherie dies, > > a young woman in a long dress with long blonde hair sings "Songs To > Aging Children" at his grave. In real life, did Joni do this? No, Joni didn't sing at anybody's funeral. But as a matter of fact, she was originally slated to appear in the movie. The producers insisted on a piece of the song, and when Joni wouldn't agree, they cast someone else. At least this is how Joni tells it. Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:56:30 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Mp3's I hope the show you're talking about isn't 'Live At Luther College.' It sounds like they took it right off the CD. That would be a huge copyright infringement. Mark, stepping out of the lurking shadows temporarily At 7:24 PM -0600 3/9/99, Michael Paz wrote: > This is the only place I have been able to actually download files > without a huge waiting time or lots of messages saying the server was > busy. It is a Dave Matthews show he played recently as a duo with Tim > Reynolds. AWESOME!!!!! ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:33:58 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Mp3's (NJC) Mark wrote: "I hope the show you're talking about isn't 'Live At Luther College.' It sounds like they took it right off the CD. That would be a huge copyright infringement." Hi Mark- Below is the title off the page that I refered to: January 20, 1999 - Virginia Tech - Blacksburg, VA Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds I am not aware that this particular show is released as a live album from any label. I did see some info regarding Dave's position on taping his shows. According to the article I read (in a para-phrased nut shell), he does allow taping and trading of his music, but frowns on anyone profiting from the sale or duplication of such. Thanks for the info though. Best, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:20:32 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell This is my first posting; it's late and I won't say much. Happy to be in contact with those profoundly moved by Joni Mitchell's music. Because I have been a jazz musician since my teen years (1957), my own response has been to make an instrumental jazz CD of 8 Mitchell songs. Arkadia Records, in NY City, is releasing it this spring as "David Lahm: Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell." I am looking forward to the unpredictavle, uncontrollabe reactions people will have to these interpretations. In my next post, I will tell you what happened when a radio interviewer heard "Coyote." It was beyond belief, but...what the hell, I asked for it. Ciao for now LAHM ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #113 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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