From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #110 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, March 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 110 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni, FTR, Debussy ["Wally Kairuz" ] Man From Mars & Grace Of The Heart [simon@icu.com] Urge For Going [simon@icu.com] Tiger Bones (Hidden Cut?) [simon@icu.com] Urge For Going & George Hamilton IV (long) [simon@icu.com] Re: Stay In Touch [DKasc13293@aol.com] Elektra Book & 1st Joni 'Cover' (long) [simon@icu.com] Music for you $$, (NJC, was Tiger Bones as filler) [MGVal@aol.com] Turbulent Indigo (Painting Titles) [simon@icu.com] Re: NJC - S. FLA Alert ..Natalie Merchant ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Tape Trees [Ginamu@aol.com] interrupting the sorrow... [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: toni childs NJC [Bounced Message ] WOW! I'm a winner in the Joni contest too! [Bounced Message ] NJC: Springsteen News ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:25:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni, FTR, Debussy howard w wrote >I think it is a valid comparison, but actually I would say that her >guitar playing has many more similarities with Debussy's music than her >piano playing. i think this is so true! once i tried a couple of joni's guitar chord progressions on the piano and it sounded definitely debussyesque. try these chords [GGDGBD tuning] - -0- -0- - -2- -0- - -2- -0- - -0- -2- - -1- -1- - -0-- -1- on the piano, play them in succession four or five times. you'll get the debussyesque feeling at once. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 06:41:58 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Man From Mars & Grace Of The Heart Larry Block writes ... >____________________________________________________________________ >Hi, I have come across 2 more of the recalled "Grace Of The Heart" >Soundtrack CD's. What makes this CD special is that the label put >Joni's demo version on the CD instead of the version performed by the >listed artist, Kristen Vigard. They recalled and destroyed the CD's >before they could be sold as they did not have the rights to publish >this demo and, of course, it is not what is listed on the CD! > >It is a beautiful version of "Man From Mars". I have been told by a >very special person that this version is better than the one on TTT >because the emotion is more "raw". > >Larry >____________________________________________________________________ Larry, as much as i enjoy the Soundtrack version of "Man From Mars", there's no way I'd say it's better than the TTT version. different? yes. enjoyable in it's own right? absolutely. but better? i'm not prepared to say that. i enjoy both. i'm glad! she recorded another version. now we've got two interpretations and that's a plus, not a minus. clearly this original vision of the song didn't fit with the overall mood and tone that Joni eventually developed for TTT. so she re-recorded the song using the Parker 'Fly' and VG-8 combo used on the rest of the songs. the Soundtrack version is a fully realized performance and *not* a demo. it's also clear from comments Larry Klein made in an interview on KCRW-FM that its inclusion wasn't exactly a mistake. the Soundtrack version of "Man From Mars" has been included on two JMDL TapeTrees (#2+7) and will eventually be included on one more, the one where it actually belongs ... Joni's 'Misc. Appearances' on LPs other than her own (quite a long list). the Larry Klein interview i mentioned is also included on TT#7 BTW: simon absolutely Loves! "Taming The Tiger" and that includes! "Lead Balloon", thank-you. for me, the albums perfect from beginning to end. there's not a wrong note on it. i didn't realize it last august but this particular collection is/was just what i needed at this point in time. completely drawn in as i was, i couldn't get away from this music and didn't really try. it was on the CD player in my car for over a month. clearly this was the Musical Accomplishment of the year and damn well should have been awarded a Grammy. there were no other contenders. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- PS. from: Reuters New Media Tuesday Sept. 17, 1996 - 8:02 AM EDT Soundtrack With Joni Mitchell Is Rarity By Adam Sandler HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - An album featuring a Joni Mitchell song has suddenly become a hot collectible after it was hastily withdrawn because of a production snafu. MCA Records last week recalled more than 40,000 soundtracks to the new movie "Grace Of My Heart", because the Mitchell-sung "Man From Mars" isn't supposed to be there. Sources said the tune was added to the album, which was released Sept. 10, before permission to use the song could be obtained. MCA executives were unable to get the necessary rights clearances and were forced to recall the album. MCA has since remastered the soundtrack and is shipping corrected copies to retailers this week. The song will be performed by the film's star Illeana Douglas, who plays a songwriter with an eye on becoming a performer. The film, which had an opening-weekend gross of $174,000 on 47 screens, goes into wide release next week. The new discs, which still will boast the single "God Give Me Strength" performed by Burt Bacharach and Elvis Costello, are expected to be available in stores by then. Reuters/Variety Copyright (c) 1996 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 06:44:49 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Urge For Going Paul Ivice writes ... > >les@jmdl.com writes: > >< actually recorded "Urge For Going" for any album - so although it > appears on "Hits", it would only previously have been available on > bootleg. >> > >Well, I have a 45 with "Urge" as the 'B' side of "You Turn Me On," which >demonstrates once again that the Hinton book is loaded with inaccuracies >and should NEVER be used as anything close to a reliable source about Joni, >or anything else for that matter. > >Paul Ivice > the saddest thing about the Hinton book is the missed opportunity and the fact that it's out there 'as' a definitive biography. those of us here on the JMDL know better, but the general public doesn't. "Urge For Going" and "Hunter" were both recorded during the LOTC sessions. what's interesting is that both were 'originally' scheduled to be included on BLUE. in fact it was pretty late in the process before they were deleted in favor of two 'new' songs. the original line-up of BLUE: side 1: Carey Little Green A Case Of You HUNTER Blue side 2: California My Old Man URGE FOR GOING This Flight Tonight River this was the intended line-up as late as March for an album that was released in June 1971. the new songs were "All I Want" and "The Last Time I Saw Richard". you can see the Reprise Label for this early edition at the following URL: "Urge For Going", one of the few songs in standard-tuning, is also the oldest of the early songs to be released and the first to be 'covered' by other singers (Tom Rush & George Hamilton IV). for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 06:43:44 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Tiger Bones (Hidden Cut?) John.Mitchell@ascend.com, writes ... >_________________________________________________________________________ >Of course, "Tiger Bones" is simply the accompaniment to the song "Taming >the Tiger." Hence the name (since it is the "bare bones" version of the >song). It's nice, but I'm certain it was included as filler. > >johnm >_________________________________________________________________________ actually John, while "Tiger Bones" is the musical accompaniment to TTT, i'd also consider it a seperate composition in its own right. Joni's current creative process has her composing and recording music first (the so-called basic-tracks) and only then writing a lyric. "Tiger Bones" is clearly not filler. we first heard this song when Chris Douridas played it on KCRW-FM. he used it as background music while reading promo announcements for his [then] upcoming interview with Joni. inquiries were made and we were informed that it would be a 'Hidden Bonus' song on the forthcoming CD TTT. that's why there a 50-second gap after "My Best To You". in june the first in a series of Reprise CD-Reference Discs was prepared with the songs listed as follows: 1. Harlem In Havana 2. Man From Mars 3. Love Puts On A New Face 4. Lead Balloon 5. No Apologies 6. Taming The Tiger 7. Crazy Cries Of Love 8. Stay In Touch 9. Facelift 10. HERE'S TO YOU 11. TAMING BONES (Hidden Cut) the European Promo CDs also list the songs this way. in august the US Promo CDs were issued with "Tiger Bones" listed, and "Here's To You" listed correctly as "My Best To You". since these were still promo copies, it wasn't until TTT was officially released in sept. that we knew for sure that there wouldn't be a (so-called) 'hidden' cut. i absolutely love this bare-bones version. i've often used the 'repeat' function of my CD player and let it play repeatedly for an hour or longer. i'm definitely interested in hearing more of these basic-tracks. hopefully we will. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 06:51:15 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Urge For Going & George Hamilton IV (long) Marksa973@aol.com, wrote > >I was given a CD of Joni from her coffeehouse days in 1967 where she does >"Urge for Going" and, in the intro, she mentions that it had been recorded >by someone named George Hamilton. (I'm assuming that's George Hamilton >with the suntan. Wasn't he a singer -- sort of -- at one time?) However, >in the notes that come with the CD, it says that "Urge" was recorded by >Tom Rush and George JONES. I'd LOVE to hear George Jones cover this song >and wonder if anyone knows the story here. Is it on one of his albums? > >Also, the CD includes a song called "Born To Take The Highway," a really >nice tune. Does anyone know if it's on any of her albums or if the lyrics >are in the book that recently came out? > > "Born To Take The Highway" is not included on any of Joni's *official* albums to date. the lyrics haven't been printed in any of the available SongBooks either. However, a recording of this song was included with other early songs as part of TapeTree #3, offered to JMDL members, for Blanks 'n' Postage (not profit$ - unlike bootlegger$). bootlegger$ aren't known to be the most careful of discographers. the CD you have is definitely a bootleg. i don't know of any George Jones recording of "Urge For Going" and haven't found any indication that he ever recorded it. if anyone does know of a recording or has a copy, let me know. i'd like to hear it. as for George Hamilton IV, others have already pointed out that this is not George Hamilton the Actor. same name, different Georges. FYI: here's the bio. contrary to what is stated below, George Hamilton IV was not the first singer to release a 'cover' version of a Joni song. __________________ George Hamilton IV Biography b. 19 July 1937, Winston-Salem, North Carolina, USA. George Hamilton IV is one of the few American country stars to have become a household name in Britain, although he is sometimes confused with the actor George Hamilton. 'George Hamilton I was a farmer in the Blue Ridge', he says, 'George Hamilton II was a railroad man who loved country music and collected Jimmie Rodgers' records. My father, George Hamilton III, was the general manager of a headache powder company. I'm a city boy from a middle-class family but my parents gave me an honest love of country music. We'd listen to the Grand Ole Opry on a Saturday night.' In 1956, while at the University of North Carolina, Hamilton persuaded a local label, Colonial, to record him. He recorded one of the first teen ballads, 'A Rose And A Baby Ruth', written by his friend John D. Loudermilk. Its regional success prompted ABC-Paramount to issue it countrywide - Hamilton found himself at number 6 in the nation's pop chart and the single became a million-seller. The b-side, 'If You Don't Know, I Ain't Gonna Tell You', heralded the subsequent direction of his music and became a US country hit in its own right in 1962. It is also one of the few songs that Hamilton has written himself. 'There are too many great writers around to bother with mediocre music,' he says now. The title, 'A Rose And A Baby Ruth', was too obscure for UK record-buyers - a Baby Ruth was a chocolate bar - but Hamilton did make the UK Top 30 with his second American Top 10 entry, 'Why Don't They Understand?'. The song, co-written by Joe 'Mr. Piano' Henderson, was one of the first hits about the 50s generation gap. Hamilton's other US hits were 'Only One Love', 'Now And For Always' and the curio 'The Teen Commandments Of Love' with Paul Anka and Johnny Nash. He made the UK Top 30 with 'I Know Where I'm Going'. Hamilton toured on rock'n'roll package shows with Buddy Holly, Eddie Cochran and Gene Vincent, and appeared on Broadway with Louis Armstrong. His leanings towards country music were satisfied when ABC-Paramount let him record a tribute album to Hank Williams. In 1958 Hamilton married his childhood sweetheart, Adelaide ('Tinky') Peyton, and moved to Nashville where they raised a family. Hamilton started recording for RCA in 1961 and returned to the US Top 20 with John D. Loudermilk's adaptation of a western song, 'Abilene', in 1963. His other country hits include 'Break My Mind', 'Fort Worth, Dallas Or Houston' and 'She's A Little Bit Country'. Hamilton pioneered the songs of Gordon Lightfoot ('Steel Rail Blues', 'Early Mornin' Rain'), which, in turn, led to a love affair with Canadian music. He recorded JONI MITCHELL's 'URGE FOR GOING' (the first artist to release one of her songs), Leonard Cohen 's 'Suzanne' and Ian Tyson's 'Summer Wages', along with several albums of which Canadian Pacific is the best known. He comments, 'Country music is swamped with songs about the seamy side of life - - love in a honky tonk, meet me at the dark end of the street, and does your husband know? There's so much more to life than adultery and I felt that the Canadians had a different approach to songwriting. They have a long-standing love of their land and Ray Griff's "Canadian Pacific" sums up that feeling.' Hamilton appeared at the first Wembley country music festival and he has been a regular visitor to the UK ever since. Hamilton acknowledges that he has changed the UK public's perception of country music: 'When I first came here, people had the idea that country music was all hicks and hillbillies, cowboys and indians. I wanted to show it was an art form, a quality music. I wore a three-piece suit which was a bit formal for the music I was playing but I wouldn't have been comfortable in jeans and a stetson.' Hamilton has championed British country music by recording home-grown songs and also by recording with the Hillsiders. In 1979, Hamilton became the first country singer to play a summer season at a seaside resort (Blackpool). Although Hamilton moved to North Carolina in 1972, he sees little of his home. He tours so often that Bob Powell, a former editor of the UK magazine Country Music People, named him the International Ambassador of Country Music. In 1974 Hamilton became the first country artist to give concerts in the Soviet Union and he lectured at Moscow University. He has appeared at festivals in Czechoslovakia and recorded there. His pioneering work was recognized by Billboard magazine who gave him their Trendsetter award in 1975. Hamilton's best recordings were made in the late 70s when he made three albums with producer Allen Reynolds, Fine Lace And Homespun Cloth, Feel Like A Million and Forever Young. He nearly reached the UK charts with a revival of 'I Wonder Who's Kissing Her Now' from the first album. Increasingly in recent years, Hamilton has given Christian concerts. He has been part of Billy Graham's crusades and he regularly tours British churches. Hank Wangford parodies Hamilton's sincere eyebrows, and he takes it all in good spirit as he admits, 'I have no paranoia about what the critics say about me. I accept that some folks think I'm bland, easy listening and it's pretty obvious that I'm not a great vocalist. However, I can communicate with an audience and I do try to interpret songs which say something.' Hamilton sometimes works with his son, George Hamilton V (b. 11 November 1960, Nashville, Tennessee, USA), who had a US country hit with 'She Says' and also tours the UK country clubs in his own right. Like his father, he will sign autographs until the last person has left. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Encyclopedia of Popular Music, (c) Muze UK Ltd. 1989 - 1998 - ----------------------------------------------------------- BTW: William Ruhlman in his article "Joni Mitchell: From Blue to Indigo" points out that ... > One of her first songs was "Urge For Going," which eventually > concerned romantic parting, though in its original form it was > about the difficulty acoustic folk performers were starting to > have finding places to play in the wake of the folk-rock movement > ushered in by Bob Dylan's decision to use an amplified backup band. > "The clubs were going electric," she recalled, and the first draft > [of "Urge For Going"] was about that: 'I've got the urge for going, > but there's no place left to go."' for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:16:12 EST From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: Stay In Touch Here's to you Eric, I agree. I don't have an answer for your question however, the arrangement of Stay in Touch (in particular the very end blending of trumpet and synth) is "addictive" and masterful. Given that these songs were created in a mind set which brought Joni to a place where and time when dreams coming true (and I don't think there was a EVER a bigger dream than to be reunited with Kilauren). The material of TTT is really a gift to the core fan base, and those who so strongly identify with Joni's music. It puts you in a mindset where you're productive and forward thinking. The frame of mind which brought Joni (at the time) to the realization of filling an incredibly empty hole in her heart. That being the absence of Kilauren in her life. I notice too, that Eyvette and Love Puts have strong similarities. Here's to You, is extremely motivational. I've come to see the use of the VG-8 and Synth keyboard as exactly how Joni described it in the promo interviews. Rejuvenating, in both interest in making music (thanks given to Blade, Waleki, etc.) and a real sonic facelift. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:30:06 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Elektra Book & 1st Joni 'Cover' (long) RMuRocks@aol.com writes ... >__________________________________________________________________________ >As promised, I checked out this book from the library, "Follow The Music: >The Life and High Times of Elektra Records in the Great Years of American >Pop Culture" by Jac Holzman and Gavan Daws. > >The book is basically a history as told in interviews with a >bunch of folks. There's a couple interesting Joni-mentions: > >Talking about Tom Rush's "The Circle Game" album, Arthur Gorson says >"...the "Circle Game" album has the first Joni Mitchell songs recorded, >the first Jackson Browne songs recorded, and James Taylor. Brand-new >material, never heard, by songwriters that weren't really known, beautiful >>songs." >__________________________________________________________________________ Bob, this information is partially correct. Tom Rush's "The Circle Game" Album does contain the first recorded of songs by Jackson Browne and James Taylor. but they're wrong about this *Album* containing the first Joni covers. Tom's album was released in 1968. however, there were two albums released in 1967 that included Joni songs. i owned copies in '67. there were also 45 RPM Singles of "The Urge For Going" released in 1966 and '67. William Ruhlman in his article "Joni Mitchell: From Blue to Indigo" points out ... > > Soon enough, however, there were records. The first, curiously > enough, was by country singer George Hamilton IV, who cut > "Urge For Going." In a March 1967 live appearance, introducing > the song, Mitchell told her audience, "It's currently on the country > hit parade. However, I don't think it really is a country song, if > you can classify songs. As a matter of fact, it's #13 with a bullet. > That means it's moving up rapidly. It's by a fellow named George > Hamilton IV. The song is by me, but he does it, with Chet Atkins > and a whole Nashville chorus and a Carter Family type and all sorts > of people and a recitation and electric rock 'n' roll mandolin. > But originally the song went like this ... " > > Hamilton's cover of "Urge For Going," released as a single by RCA, > entered Billboard's Hot Country Singles chart for the week ending > January 21, 1967, and peaked at #7 during a 21-week chart run. > (Unless otherwise stated, all chart figures cited here will be from > Billboard, as reported in Joel Whitburn's various chart books, > published by Record Research, Inc. On occasions when a record > performs better on charts published by the rival trade paper Cash > Box, this will be noted.) > > Mitchell isn't sure how Hamilton got hold of the song, But she > credits Tom Rush, who may also have pitched it - unsuccessfully - > to Judy Collins. "At one point, George came to Detroit, and I > remember meeting him," Mitchell said, "but I think he must have > heard the song first from Tom." > > By the time "Urge For Going" had ended its chart run, other Joni > Mitchell compositions were coming onto the market. In February, > Vanguard Records released Canadian duo Ian and Sylvia's 'So Much > For Dreaming' album, containing their rendition of "The Circle Game." > In June, Vanguard released Buffy Sainte-Marie's 'Fire And Fleet And > Candlelight' LP, which included "The Circle Game" and > "Song To A Seagull." these last three 'covers' as well as the Tom Rush recording of "The Circle Game" were included on TapeTree #3. although Joni doesn't recall how George Hamilton IV got hold of her song, here's what George had to say in the Liner Notes to his 'Best Of' Album. > I was ridin' along Interstate 40 from North Carolina back to > Nashville and listenin' to WBZ-Boston on the car radio. All of a > sudden, I heard a song called "Urge For Going" by a singer named > Tom Rush, and next thing i knew I was trying to get my car back on > the pavement. The DJ said it was written by a young lady named Joni > Mitchell and, through my friend Gordon Lightfoot, I finally tracked > her down by phone in a coffeehouse in Charleston, South Carolina. > She sent me a tape and we went into the studio immediately. > "Urge For Going" is pretty "deep" and heavily folk-styled and I got > a lot of advice (mostly against it) from friends in Nashville who > said the country fans wouldn't accept it. Well, they did accept it > and it made the country Top-10. I think it was one of the forerunners > of the folk-oriented "Gentle Of My Mind"-type songs that have become > so prominent lately. > > P.S. Joni has done quite well for herself. She has written several > hits including "Both Sides, Now" and is established as a top concert > artist on the cometmporary-folk circuit. > > George Hamilton IV, 1970 Tom Rush, the First singer to record a song by Joni Mitchell, released a 45 RPM Single of "The Urge For Going" sometime in 1966. this is a different (shorter) version than the one that appears on his 'Circle Game' album, something i was only able to confirm 3-weeks ago when i finally tracked down a copy of the single. in a conversation w/Wally Breese in March 1998, Tom Rush offered some additional information about "The Urge For Going". > WB: So you were the first artist to record a Joni Mitchell song? > > TR: I believe I was, but I guess Joni could answer that better > than I. > > WB: Well, she does credit you with that. > > TR: I know Ian and Sylvia recorded "The Circle Game" around that > time, too, and I'm not sure who hit the stands first, but I > guess I did. > > WB: In November of '66, Joni was on a radio show and she said > that you'd already recorded "The Circle Game," but the album > that contains the song didn't make the charts until April of > '68, so I'm wondering was there a different single version > that was out earlier? > > TR: It was a very odd thing. I first recorded "Urge for Going," > actually, it was on a tape that I gave to my buddies at WBZ > in Boston, I had some friends there. Access was so easy in > those days. I had a show at WHRB and my friends Jefferson Kay > and Dick Summer had shows on WBZ and I kind of thought we were > on a par. I didn't know at that time what "50,000 watt clear > channel" meant, but they had the most powerful signal allowable > by law on a frequency that nobody else occupied and these guys > got mail from New Zealand sometimes when the ionosphere was right. > I still get people from Ohio who come up to me and say, "When me > and the Mrs. was courtin', we'd go up on the bluff on Sunday > night where we could get WBZ." They had a huge listenership. > So I gave a tape of "Urge for Going" to Jefferson Kay, he played > it and it became the most requested song on the station. It was > very, very popular. I think partly because the only way you could > hear it was to call up and ask for it. This was before cassette > recorders were common. Reel to reel tape recorders were pretty > exotic. Not too many people had them. So if you wanted to hear > this song you had to call up and request it. When it finally did > come out on disc as a single, I think the single came out about > the same time as the album, but my recollection may be flawed. > But when it finally did come out, none of the other stations in > Boston would touch it. > > WB: Because it had the WBZ stamp on it. > > TR: Exactly. It was owned by WBZ and it was still the number one > single in Boston for a while. > > WB: The number one selling single? Great! Was the version that > you gave to WBZ a live version or one you recorded in a studio? > > TR: It was done in a studio with Bruce Langhorne playing guitar. > It was substantially the same as the one that appeared on the > album. It just took along time to finish that album and I don't > know why Elektra gave me permission to release that tape. OK, i guess that's more than you wanted to know. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- PS: "Follow The Music: The Life and High Times of Elektra Records in the Great Years of American Pop Culture" @ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:59:26 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Music for you $$, (NJC, was Tiger Bones as filler) In a message dated 99-03-05 10:32:22 EST, dgrowe@hotmail.com writes: > >Or am I the only person who's bought a 70-plus minute CD, only to >realize, "Gee I got a lot of music for my money, too bad it all sucks." > Where I work, one of the employee perks is in-house concerts of various artists. Usually, it's the smaller, independent groups who really bust their butts to promote their albums. We've had the pleasure to see a lot of great up and coming acts: Hootie and the Blowfish, Dixie Chicks, Alison Krause, Mark O'Connor and more have all passed through Valley. Someone came to perform, (I'm thinking Vonda Shephard), and the performance was late because they were struggling to get the grand piano in place. After an otherwise great performance, I knew I had been in accounting too long because my description to some co-workers who could not make it was: "Hmm, not very cost-effective to drag that grand piano out considering that she played a total of X minutes with only Y minutes on that piano." Ai yi yi yi yi. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:01:26 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Turbulent Indigo (Painting Titles) Greg Cupit wrote asking ... >_______________________________________________________________________ >>simon mentioned: >>all of the 'Turbulent Indigo' paintings of course do have titles and >>these were included in the 'Turbulent Indigo' Promo Postcard Booklet. > >For the benefit of those of us who have never seen this booklet, could >someone post to the list the titles of all the TI paintings? Say left >?to right, front page side to back page side? Also, what are the names >of the TTT paintings? > >Greg >_______________________________________________________________________ OK Greg, here you go. open the CD Booklet so you're looking at the three paintings with the picnic table scene on the left. 1. Left: Dinner With Monet 2. Center: Morning B.C. 3. Right: Glacier Lake OK, now flip the CD Booklet over with the Joni/Van Gogh image in the center. 4. Left: Mountain Gorge 5. Center: Self-Portrait (After Van Gogh) 6. Right: *not* included in booklet. the smaller B/W included with the Lyrics are also not in the Booklet. the above info is for the Jewel-Box edition. here' the info for the cardboard Digi-Pac edition. unfold the pkg. so the CD-pocket is in the center. 1. Left: Mountain Gorge 2. Center Left: Morning B.C. 3. Center Right: Borderline 4. Right: Girl (After Rosetti) OK, flip it over with the bookshelf photo in the center 5. Left: Dinner With Monet 6. Right: Self-Portrait (After Van Gogh) all are - Oil On Canvas, 1993 hope this helps, sorry it's late. - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:20:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: NJC - S. FLA Alert ..Natalie Merchant Now you tell me! My office overlooks the Dali Museaum! Jerry On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 MP123A321@aol.com wrote: > A quick South Florida alert. Natalie Merchant played Tampa tonite, was great > IMHO, covered Space Oddity (awesome),Surrender (Cheap Trick?), and a varied > set of her own and Maniacs material. I think she did song from Chieftains cd > also. Ft. Lauderdale is next stop. She was visiting at the Dali Museum earlier > today. > FYI...Maurice > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:35:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Elektra Book & 1st Joni 'Cover' (long) On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 simon@icu.com wrote: > OK, i guess that's more than you wanted to know. Never! When's the book coming out? Jerry:^) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:35:01 +0100 From: "Tube" Subject: Wild Things tape order Okay I've dug out the tape and actually it seems a bit of a mess as I've discovered I actually did it on TWO tapes, putting my favourite stuff of WTRF on the back of HissingOSL with some Court & Spark after that, and my less favourite WTRF tracks on another tape with some Judy Tsuke and Rennaisance! The first tape runs: Chinese cafe Man to man Ladies Man Moon at the Window Keep Cool 1 Cor 13 Then C&S, beginning with... ...Down to You Actually all these tracks may in fact be in the original order as they are on the vinyl - I can't remember, butthe important thing is to cut Man to Man, Ladies Man and Moon at the Window all together without a break of silence as they all begin and end on the same note (more or less). If you can get the edit on the beat it sounds great. After all the Court and spark stuff I fade in the ending of Trouble Child and let it run into Twisted. After Twisted the tape ends, and starts on the other side with HOSL. I didn't monkey with the order of HOSL as it can't be improved on..! At the end of HOSL I add that funny 'Boinnngggggg' sound that Chinese Cafe starts with and fade it out before the first guitarishy not of Chinese Cafe proper comes crashing in - You just hear the tinkling piano of Unchained Melody fading out into nothing. Then the tape ends, turn over and you get Chinese Cafe starting in toto, complete with boinnnngggggg intro again. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- The second tape runs: Wild things run fast Then the ten second (fast acoustic) intro to track 2 (whatever it was - I only liked that first ten seconds so that was all I recorded) cut straight into... ...Underneath the Streetlight Free man in Paris (or is that a C&S track?) Then something that starts "Heeeeeelp me I think I'm falling in love again" Car on the Hill Trouble Child, faded out before Twisted starts, Then the Judy Tsuke. These days though I nearly always fill a tape with the same album on both sides, not combining it with anything else. I also believe in filling up every inch of tape on a cassette. Partly because i'm a miserly cheapskate who abhors waste and partly because I hate gaps of silence and having to fast forward at the end of a side. Additional tips can be found in 'Tube's Frantic Pedantic Golden Rules Of Home Taping', available on request... Tube the Sad Git _________________________________________________________ Get a Life - Get a RomeLife! - at http://members.xoom.com/thinwhite ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:47:46 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Tape Trees Hi Simon, I don't know if you have the time or if, in fact, you're the right person to inquire this of. I'm fairly new to the JMDL and would like to know how to get in on the tape tree thing. If you can't help me, could you let me know who on the list I can send blank tapes and prepaid postage to? Or perhaps this is anyone who has tape trees and is willing to reproduce them for others? I am particularly interested in # 7. Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question and thanks in advance, if you or anyone else can help. Also, I enjoyed your most recent batch of posts regarding TTT in particular. I haven't been playing TTT much. I thought about why. I think I want to save it for a while and come to it on my own terms, when I am ready. I'm not sure why but the whole VG-8 thing and Joni's new songwriting concept of composing before writing lyrics seems a little intimidating to me, a non-musician. It appears that Joni is expanding into areas of music not familiar to me. She will never, ever lose me as a fan but I have to admit that TTT is taking some getting used to for me. Needless to say, this has nothing to do with whether TTT is a "great" album or not, just my own personal reaction to it, which admittedly is somewhat based on fear of not really understanding it at the level that it perhaps deserves. Just my thoughts. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:03:40 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: interrupting the sorrow... dear friends... you know, sometimes, quite by accident, without planning it or even giving it much thought, we do exactly the right thing. sending my last post to the list, which was just driven by laziness - i just didn't have the energy to write to the 10 or 15 individuals i felt a connection to - turned out to be the smartest thing i have done in a long long time. i have received so many messages from you folks, many of whom i have never spoken to directly, but dozens and dozens of posts from people wishing me well, and telling me they care, and that i am in their thoughts and prayers. some of the posts were quite long, others just a sentence or two. but i am so incredibly moved. i did not expect that at all, and the fact that so many people have taken the time to reach out (some of the things written were just incredibly touching) well, it has lifted my spirits tremendously and i feel SO much better! isn't that amazing? and wonderful? as you all could probably tell, i was pretty low when i wrote that farewell. but i have been restored, maybe just in part, and maybe just for now, but restored none the less by your humanity and love. in the midst of all this, i feel blessed. maybe we should all pause for a second or two and reflect on what an extraordinay community this is! i think it is a credit to joni mitchell, and to all the people who have been touched by her music to the extent that they would feel compelled to join her discussion list. i am proud to have dropped anchor here for a time, and allowed myself to be embraced by this warmth. i look forward to returning. but please allow me to thank you all in this inadequate way with these inadequate words. i want very much to reply individually to each and every one of you who took the time to comfort me when i so needed it, but i just don't have the time or the energy. i know you all will understand. to update you, judy is slated for brain surgery on tuesday or wednesday of this coming week at brigham & women's hospital. we met with the surgeon yesterday, and he was wonderful. very gentle and kind and reassuring. we all loved him. so there are reasons to be hopeful listers! if for nothing else, that she will be in good hands with this man. the kids are taking things in stride. they are scared and teary, but that is to be expected and probably healthy. i am proud of them. it is so strange to think that a week or two ago we were all lazing on the beach in negril, without a care in the world, and this week, everything is changed. i know it is trite, but track down the ones you love and tell them. tell them the way that you feel. how much they matter. in the face of certain, intractable truths, you just never know... again, thanks so much to all of you. i will never forget! from my heart, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 09:52:15 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: toni childs NJC Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 22:57:20 +0000 From: BarBearUh evian wrote: > I only have > one Toni cd, "House of Hope", but it is amazing!!! I bought it after I > caught the video for "I've got to go now" or whatever the hell its > called... one of those songs that you hear once and have to run out and > buy. Also, I love the song "Next to you"... again, I am not even sure > if this is the title, I am too lazy to go check! Anyway, anyone else a > Toni fan, and has she done anything lately? if you love 'house of hope', i'd recommend her other two albums, 'union' (her debut) and [i think it's called...] 'woman's boat' (which includes a song w/peter gabriel doing some great bgvox). i used to listen to her quite a bit and consider 'hope' her weakest. 'boat' is about 5 years old and i haven't heard of her doing anything since then. 'boat' has a giving birth theme, and i'd imagine kids & lackluster sales may have kept her away from the biz. i had an interesting time seeing her once. i was having a very disappointing time at this show - she had a lot of pre-recorded tracks going down and there was an intense lack of spontaneity. i expected to be blown away, but was bored as can be. then, lo and behold, something bad happened to the sequencer or some such thing, and she had to wing it. the show came alive. she sat on the edge of the stage, let herself mess some things up & it all got more organic and improvised. barbara np: pumpkins, mellon collie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 09:58:01 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: WOW! I'm a winner in the Joni contest too! From: mann@chicagonet.net Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 07:25:39 -0600 Congratulations Maurice! I'm also on digest but won a laser disc copy of Painting With Words And Music in Wally's contest!!!!! I am VERY excited! What a great win! It really made my day. Now that Lasar Discs are being phased out by DVDs I didn't think I would ever get another JONI disc! My very FIRST Lasar Disc was Joni's COME IN FROM THE COLD. My husband bought the laser disc player and this was the first laser disc he bought......................he's quite clever...that hubby of mine. He knew I couldn't get too upset with his laser disc player purchase if he included something JONI-ish. While I enjoyed watching Joni and hearing her music he would point out the "important technical aspects" of having a laser disc .........sound and picture quality, etc. LOL So, anyway.......... ****THANK YOU WALLY****** Who else won in the contest???? Laura :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) (Got that silly grin again that I can't wipe off!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:42:46 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: toni childs NJC << Anyway, anyone else a Toni fan, and has she done anything lately? >> I've been a Toni fan for the past few years. An ex-girlfirend had some of her cds and I became enamored with that "angels" song, which I think is on "Union" (I want to walk and talk like the angels...) it's got a sweet, etherial quality that really sends me. I saw her in concert on Oct. 28, 1997 at Bimbo's in San Francisco backed by, like, an 8 piece band. I remember well, 'cause it was my birthday. She put on a rousing high energy show of music that was all new, at the time, saying she was road testing songs that would be on her new cd. The cd has yet to come out...due to problems getting a new record deal, I'm told. Funny thing was, she had just gotten married and was continually mentioning it in a light-hearted way, coyly showing her ring to to the crowd, and saying "I'm marrrriied." She also mentioned that this was the first time she had ever performed in front of her new parents-in-law. I'm not sure if this was her marriage to the "Slouching..." guy or not. She talked to the crowd alot and alot of what she said bordered on the bawdy, but we all were loving it. The woman doesn't hold back. She reminds me of a white Etta James, but I think Toni's vocal instrument is even more powerful than Ms. Etta's. I liked the show so much I took her setlist off the stage after the show: Promised Land (High energy gospel-like tune) She Holds the Love Mr. Jones Revolution (Not the Beatles song) Heart That Matters She's Just Lonely Oh, Heaven I'm Just Standing Here Hearts & Flowers Piece of My Mind Does anyone know if any of these songs ever made it to disc? - -Julius p.s.- Welcome back Barbearuh!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:53:11 -0500 From: "John Wasak" Subject: Re: Tiger Bones as filler >Greg writes: >>Has anyone noticed that both TI & TTT both clock in under 45 minutes. >>Which is pretty rare for a CD these days. >>>> then Don wrote: > >This is true, but every second of those 45 minutes are of the most >stunning musical and lyrical quality ... which is more than can be said >for a lot of much longer CD programs out there. > >Or am I the only person who's bought a 70-plus minute CD, only to >realize, "Gee I got a lot of music for my money, too bad it all sucks." >>> Two of the most amazing non-Joni CD's I own are "Pink Moon" by Nick Drake and "Dirt Floor" by Chris Whitley. "Pink Moon" clocks in at 28:34 and "Dirt Floor" carries the incredibly stingy time of 27:11. All record stores that actually stock these CD's sell them at FULL price. Do I wish they were longer? Yes. Would I pay twice the full price to replace them if I had to? Yes. Am I crazy? Gee, I hope not! Obviously I'd recomend these CD's to anyone who enjoys great music, and I'm not really condoning the idea of record companies making a habit of putting out recordings with these sort of times on them. Sometimes the shear quality put into, and the listening enjoyment taken from, particular recordings transcends their actual time value. John - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------- John Wasak Photography http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/6026 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:52:48 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: Springsteen News Springsteen has re-assembled the E Street Band and will tour Europe. He'll be in back in the US, back in the US later in the year for a tour. He said he missed being in a band with those guys. Patty will be singing backup. For a little more detail, see the Fri/Sat/Sun edition of the USA Today newspaper. Can anyone recommend a Springsteen web site? - -- Read me or deleeeete me but don't try to shut me up, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #110 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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