From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #105 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 3 1999 Volume 04 : Number 105 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- easy to play Joni songs [CarltonCT@aol.com] NJC-bum rush [MP123A321@aol.com] Wedding songs and sad news! [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re[2]: FTR and a question [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Urge For Going [Lisa Kowalski ] Re: An URGEnt question [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: easy to play Joni songs [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: easy to play Joni songs [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: An URGEnt question [Marksa973@aol.com] Ray's Dad's Time Signature ["Don Rowe" ] NJC DUSTY SPRINGFIELD [catman ] nide ride away from home [Strummed@aol.com] roses ["paul tyrer" ] Blue-ooo-oo-o... ["paul tyrer" ] Chirp Chirp (njc) [michael paz ] DVD's [michael paz ] RE: Blue-ooo-oo-o... [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Chirp Chirp (njc) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Favorites and Converts [Strummed@aol.com] Stormy (but SUNNY) Weather [michael paz ] Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: NJC DUSTY SPRINGFIELD [catman ] Re: Blue-ooo-oo-o... ["Don Rowe" ] Re[2]: Blue-ooo-oo-o... [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re[2]: NJC DUSTY SPRINGFIELD [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Hedges & Johnson ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Cassandra & Miles ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: An URGEnt question [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Stormy (but SUNNY) Weather [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Stormy (but SUNNY) Weather ["Kakki" ] Re: roses ["Kakki" ] Dusty (NJC) [Wally Breese ] Re: royalties (VLJC) [David Wright ] Re: Stormy (but SUNNY) Weather [Jerry Notaro ] Singer Dusty Springfield Dies (NJC) [simon@icu.com] Glad to be back ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Singer Dusty Springfield Dies (NJC) [catman ] Lightbulbs (NJC) [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)] Stormy weather ["Gene Mock" ] RE: Dusty (NJC) [patrick leader ] Joni on Slouching Towards Bethlehem & me on Joni as poet (long) [davidmar] Lucinda Williams live (NJC) - the Real Thing (long) [Mark-n-Travis > The only "album" it appears on is "Hits". It was first released as the flip side of your dreaded "You Turn Me On..." (I think) :^) Bob NP: Edie Brickell, "Lost in the Moment" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:46:37 From: Lisa Kowalski Subject: Urge For Going Angela Takats wrote: What album is "Urge For Going on?" It's the first somg on her Hits CD! Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:02:42 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: An URGEnt question In a message dated 3/3/99 1:50:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, joni216@hotmail.com writes: << Hey and a quick and easy question for those much more knowledgable than myself - what album is "urge for going" on? >> From the developing list of FAQ answers: Joni did not release "Urge" on an album until her "Hits" compilation. It was released as the B side of the single "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" in 1972. It also has been covered by several other singers, most notably by Tom Rush, whose version I heartily recommend, as well as Mary Black. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:03:19 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: easy to play Joni songs Does anyone know if and when a TTT songbook- hopefully with JT (Joni Tunings) will be available? Thanks, Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:06:41 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: easy to play Joni songs P.S. One of Joni's easier songs to play is Urge For Going. No fussing with with open tunings. However, the intro may be a little tricky to figure out. I've also played some of her other songs in traditional tuning when I don't have time to fuss- you can try That Song About The Miday, I Don't Know Where I Stand for starters. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:14:20 EST From: Marksa973@aol.com Subject: Re: An URGEnt question I was given a CD of Joni from her coffeehouse days in 1967 where she does "Urge for Going" and, in the intro, she mentions that it had been recorded by someone named George Hamilton. (I'm assuming that's George Hamilton with the suntan. Wasn't he a singer -- sort of -- at one time?) However, in the notes that come with the CD, it says that "Urge" was recorded by Tom Rush and George JONES. I'd LOVE to hear George Jones cover this song and wonder if anyone knows the story here. Is it on one of his albums? Also, the CD includes a song called "Born To Take The Highway," a really nice tune. Does anyone know if it's on any of her albums or if the lyrics are in the book that recently came out? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:30:18 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Ray's Dad's Time Signature Okay, took a listen to 'Rays Dads Cadillac' on the way home from work last night. I came up with two ways to count the rhythm out ... the best way is in 4/4 in even triplets (1-two-three-2-two-three). This, I think, is in fact how the song is composed, since this fits the lyrical flow perfectly. The other way is to count 12/8 -- but that throws the lyrics off kilter ... Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:04:02 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC DUSTY SPRINGFIELD The BBC Six O'clock News has just annouced the death of Dusty Springfield from cancer. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:17:06 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: nide ride away from home just got from 3 days in monterey. though a lot about the nite ride home thread and recalled a trip where i was working as a breakman on a fast freight. the train was called on duty at 2a.m. we pulled out of richmond with our initail train. putted about 3 miles down the track , picked up some more cars at a large customers plant. then proceeded to stockton and picked up about about as many cars as we were already pulling. with this work done, we're pretty much half way to fresno which is where we change crews a distance of about 194 miles. when you leave stockton yard you generally blast down the mainline at 70 miles per hour. since we were a "HOT TRAIN" the dispatchers usually clear up the mainline ahead of you so you should have a straight run without going into any sidings and waiting for other trains. here we are booking through the valley. i'm in the lead unit with the engineer and conductor and since there's no more work to be done i head back to the second unit and kick back with all that space to myslef. i reached down between my legs and ease the seat back and pull out my cassete player. and start litenenig to "Court and Spark." the sun is slowly coming up, everythings going the way it should. man does it get any better than this? at work listening to some of my favorite music. i couldn't get over how perfect the moment was that had unfolded. singing along at the top my lungs because who the hell is going to hear me anyways? didn't think i would be able to tell anyone about this which is the beauty of this forum. yours musically, Chri$. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:00:54 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: roses Hi Michael Thanks for the invite! I'd love to come along to one of Kakki's Jonifests but I'm fairly UK bound - though I should say I'm in Miami (starring with the delightful Will Smith in his latest movie) in October if any Joni-listers want to get together then. I'm impressed that you can play tunes from Hejira - it's my fave, but I really can't get my fingers together on my guitar on that LP. I play an easy verion of coyote, but I struggle on the rest somehow. But i can play FTR piano tunes and some of the GTR ones too, so maybe we should form a double act... My fave to play in Lesson in Survival. love PX NP Mary-Chapin Carpenter (the queen of *country* music, yes - intelligent, lyrically astute, and some great JOni tunings!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:52:56 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Blue-ooo-oo-o... Blue - what do people think of it? It's always struck me as odd about the list. People go on about DJRD, FTR etc - there've been big debates about DED, NRH and STAS - but no-one hardly ever mentions Blue. This is strange. Especially when you think it's probably sold more than any other of JM's LP's: there are always stacks of copies of Blue in UK record stores and 1 copy of each of the rest of our Joan's albums. So why the silence? I reckon Blue suffers from listers' despair at its popularity-overkill. Isn't it true - when you mention JM to JM-sceptics, they say 'Oh well I liked Blue but the rest of her stuff...'. My boss did that the other day in my car when I put STAS on just before the tape got chewed by the car stereo!! Isn't it true that for us listers, no matter how much we play Blue to death at certain periods secretly at home, we can't bear to talk of it on the list because Blue is EVERYBODY's property - everybody has a chunk of Blue, whereas with hejira, DJRD STAS etc - they're our secret pleasures, our secret places, our own. Is it that Blue is, in fact, like a glamorous older brother or sister who always gets asked out to dinner by the most attractive person in town - we're frustrated, we're jealous? We love our sibling secretly - we're just frustrated by the way his/her light blinds out the rest of the family, equally, we feel deserving of attention. It's funny, no-one ever mentions BIG YELLOW TAXI either! C'mon Joni-fans, what're we scared of?? Of Joan having a popular record?! PX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:35:08 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Chirp Chirp (njc) Terry wrote: " Better yet, could you make a loop of cricket chirps for me? That's the one track missing from my version of NRH on the Tribute Tape. " Terry- As soon as I get my new audio card for the computer I would be happy to add that track for you to your tape. Cheers! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:38:21 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: DVD's Phyllis wrote: " > We are sorry to report that the offical release date for the new > edition of the DVD "Mitchell: Painting with Words and Music" has been > pushed back to March 30th of 1999." Phyllis- Thanx for the info! JUST IN TIME FOR MY BIRTHDAY. The floor is now open for volunteers to get me the Joni DVD as well as the player. Thanx. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:43:03 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Blue-ooo-oo-o... Paul T. wrote: <<< but no-one hardly ever mentions Blue.>>> _Blue_ is my second favorite Joni, right behind HOSL. And I'm not ashamed to admit it. :-) <<>> One of my least fave Joni songs. The DDT line rubs me the wrong--just sounds stilted to me. And the old-man verse just doesn't seem to fit. The melody's catchy enough, but overall I'm just not very fond of it. - --Michael NP: Rufus Wainwright, _Rufus Wainwright_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:55:47 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Chirp Chirp (njc) In a message dated 3/3/99 1:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << As soon as I get my new audio card for the computer I would be happy to add that track for you to your tape. Cheers! >> You've got yourself a deal! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:04:59 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites and Converts NOT THAT YOU WERE SELLING BUT NOTHING LIKE SELLING THINGS THAT SELL THEMSELVES. MAKES YOU LOOK ALL THAT MORE ADVANCED. I LIKE BEING CONVERTED MYSELF BECAUSE THERE SO MUCH GOOD MUSIC OUT THERE THAT I HAVENT BEEN EXPOSED TO. I LIVE FOR CONVERSION AND AN OCCASIONAL CROSSWORD PUZZLE, MIX IN A LITTLE TIMES TABLE ALONG WITH UNEVEN METERS, IT'S ALL OVER. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK LORI. keep winingem over. Chri$. n.p. I remember jaco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:10:58 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Stormy (but SUNNY) Weather Master Man wrote: " There is a promo CD of the Stormy Weather Benefit out. It was sent to people in mail regarding AT&T's Personal Network or something. Here is the track listing: Almost Blue ~ Gwen Stefani You've Change ~ Paula Cole But Beautiful ~ Shawn Colvin Good Guy ~ Trisha Yearwood Is That All There Is? ~ Sandra Bernhard Good Morning Heartache ~ Sheryl Crow They Can't Take That Away From Me ~ Natalie Cole At Last ~ Stevie Nicks Gloomy Sunday ~ Bjork **Stormy Weather ~ Joni Mitchell** Produced by: Don Henley for the Walden Woods Project Recorded live at the Wiltern Theatre in Los Angeles This was found at THE Stevie Nicks website: http://www.nicksfix.com" Master Man- Thank you so much for this info. I called 800-4-ATT-NOW and asked about it and found out that all the att people got copies of this cd recently and she was going to send me a copy. I of course explained to them that I have never used anyone else but ATT as my long distance provider and of course I have worldnet as my online service. Can't wait to hear this record. BW Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:07:19 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem NJC In a message dated 03/03/99 00:22:30, messling@enter.net writes: << The difference is that God doesn't go around suing for copyright infringement. He has crappy lawyers. >> This reminds me of that wonderful line from Eels' "Novocaine for the Soul": "Jesus and his lawyer are coming back". Er, that's it really. Azeem, about to go and see Annabel Lamb and Brendan Croker in a double bill at the Kashmir Klub, a wonderful intimate live venue. If any listers are ever in London on a Tuesday or Thursday and want to see some great live music, free, let me know and I'll tell you where it is. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:04:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC DUSTY SPRINGFIELD addendum: according the the reort Dusty was due to be inducted into the NY Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 11 days time. Can they do it posthumously? catman wrote: > The BBC Six O'clock News has just annouced the death of Dusty > Springfield from cancer. > > -- > > CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:28:39 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Blue-ooo-oo-o... Hello Paul ... you bring up some very good and interesting points, as usual -- >there've been big debates about DED, NRH and STAS - but no-one >hardly ever mentions Blue. Not true ... there have been a lot of discussions of 'Blue'. In fact, there are quite a few on this list that think of the singing on this album as Joni's purest and most natural. Of course, there are others who don't like the 'helium-voiced' Joni -- and you'll also find Clouds and LOTC down further on these folk's "fave" lists. The album also suffered badly from its original CD mastering. A problem which has been recently corrected. >Especially when you think it's probably sold more than any other of >JM's LP's: there are always stacks of copies of Blue in UK record >stores and 1 copy of each of the rest of our Joan's albums. I agree that you see stacks of them in record stores (even here is US) ... but did it outsell C&S? That's an honest question, I don't know the answer -- but it would surprise me a little bit ... joni shcolars? >'Oh well I liked Blue but the rest of her stuff...'. I think that the non-believers more commonly say "Oh well, I liked her early stuff" -- which could mean anything from STAS up through C&S. That being said, please don't think that I don't like/never put on 'Blue'. I do, but in a nostalgic, curio-cabinet kind of a way -- in the same spirit that one will, from time to time, pull out their high school yearbook and look through the signatures of classmates long gone. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:13:06 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Blue-ooo-oo-o... Paul T. wrote: <<< but no-one hardly ever mentions Blue.>>> Well Paul, I guess you just haven't been around long enough...In the 15 months I've been here, there's been lots of discussion about Blue, the concept of the record as a whole, the songs individually, the instrumentation, her use of the dulcimer, etc. probably all of us are very connected to the record emotionally. But don't let list history hold you back...say what you want to about Blue and people new and old can chime in as they wish...I listen to it a lot! <<>> You're right, but what's to mention? - we all know it, there's not a lot of deep symbolism or anything, it's just there. When there's something to say about it, like when Janet J sampled it or when Joni did the "Dylan" verse in concert last year, then there's something to mention, and comments do show up. Bob NP: Jeff Buckley "Hallelujah" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:16:26 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: NJC DUSTY SPRINGFIELD Catman wrote: <> Sure! She wouldn't be the first to be inducted posthumously; probably is the first to pass on so close to induction though... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:43:04 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Hedges & Johnson Hi there, For the latest couple of weeks I've been listening to two CD's by the most amazing guitarists this side of Mars! The first one is the posthumously released album "Torched" by the late Michael Hedges. A GREAT album by a GREAT artist and human being! The second track on the album features beautiful backup vocals by David Crosby and Graham Nash, the rest of the album is pure Michael. A wonderful album! The second album is the major label debut by 43 year old Richard Leo Johnson. The album is called "Fingertip Ship" and is released by Blue Note-label Metro Blue. This album is pure genius! Johnson is using a 12- string guitar in mostly different open tunings. If you love the way David Crosby, Joni Mitchell or Michael Hedges treat a guitar, you'll be blown away by Richard Leo Johnson! Highly recommended! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:01:40 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Cassandra & Miles > From: Michael Yarbrough > There's a pretty exhaustive preview of Cassandra's new album at > http://www.billboard.com/feature/cassandra.html I can HIGHLY recommend this GREAT album! Fan's of Joni's more jazzier material will LOVE this album! The album is inspired by the music and spirit of Miles Davis, but the songs are NOT cover versions.The disc is comprised of Miles Davis-inspired songs, with words and music by Cassandra Wilson, many songs made famous by Miles and songs written by Miles with new lyrics by Ms. Wilson. The album includes performances by Lonnie Plaxico, Marvin Sewell, Kevin Breit, Eric Lewis, Jeffrey Haynes, Marcus Baylor, Regina Carter, Steve Coleman, Olu Dara, Stefon Harris, Dave Holland, Rodney Kendrick, Angelique Kidjo, Pat Metheny and Doug Wamble. Among the albums tracks are titles : "Time After Time", "Run The Voodo Down", "Seven Steps" and "Someday My Prince Will Come". Release date is March 22. Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:49:03 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: An URGEnt question In a message dated 3/3/99 12:20:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Marksa973@aol.com writes: << I was given a CD of Joni from her coffeehouse days in 1967 where she does "Urge for Going" and, in the intro, she mentions that it had been recorded by someone named George Hamilton. (I'm assuming that's George Hamilton with the suntan. Wasn't he a singer -- sort of -- at one time?) >> No, it is a very DIFFERENT George Hamilton, though I don't know whether the singing George has a tan, the one with the tan does not sing (at least outside his shower). Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:54:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Stormy (but SUNNY) Weather michael paz wrote: > Master Man- > Thank you so much for this info. I called 800-4-ATT-NOW and asked about > it and found out that all the att people got copies of this cd recently > and she was going to send me a copy. I of course explained to them that > I have never used anyone else but ATT as my long distance provider and > of course I have worldnet as my online service. Can't wait to hear this > record. Thanks for the tip, Michael. I just called and the service rep worked like a dog to find me one. The trick is that the cd also contains the software to get onto their internet service. So I let him give me the promo, and I'll get the cd in 2 weeks! Jerry np: Janis Joplin - Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:13:27 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem Deb Messling wrote: > Perhaps those who encountered the song before the poem feel the same > power from Joni. (If there's anyone who is unafraid to admit they had > not read Yeats). I'll admit it. I hadn't read the poem when I heard the song & the song gave me the creeps from the very first listen. From what I could catch listening to the sound system in Tower Records I could tell the song was apocalyptic and having heard Passion Play a few minutes before it intrigued me that Joni had done two songs with a religious theme on her latest release. I assumed that Joni was taking on this theme with her usual critical perspective so I didn't have any fear that she had been 'born again'. But Slouching gave me chills when I first heard those wild wailing sounds as she sings 'head of a maa-aan/shape of a lion'. Her vocal at this point of the song when I saw her at the Gorge pierced into the marrow of my bones. It was much later that Melanie showed me a copy of the Yeats poem. I liked it, but I kinda felt like Joni felt about it. It seemed like he hadn't really polished it and towards the end it feels more like prose than poetry. Just a feeling, not a conclusion drawn from careful study of the meter, etc, etc & so forth so please don't crucify me all you English lit people out there. Enlighten, if you care to, though. I don't ever mind learning something new as long as I'm not obviously being patronized. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:22:36 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Stormy (but SUNNY) Weather Jerry Notaro wrote: <<>> I called and they told me that I *had* to sign up for their service to get the CD. So what gives? Maybe I'll just try again... - --Michael NP: Jim White, _Wrong-Eyed Jesus!_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:17:41 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Stormy (but SUNNY) Weather Waaaaah! This might have come to me and I tossed it assuming it was just another "100 Free Hours" deal that I get in the mail frequently! I called this number, too, but had no luck and was told that they couldn't help me get the CD. Maybe if Michael, Jerry and others are successful, this could find it's way to a tape tree?? Hopefully, Kakki >michael paz wrote: > >> Master Man- >> Thank you so much for this info. I called 800-4-ATT-NOW and asked about >> it and found out that all the att people got copies of this cd recently >> and she was going to send me a copy. I of course explained to them that >> I have never used anyone else but ATT as my long distance provider and >> of course I have worldnet as my online service. Can't wait to hear this >> record. > >Thanks for the tip, Michael. I just called and the service rep worked like a dog >to find me one. The trick is that the cd also contains the software to get onto >their internet service. So I let him give me the promo, and I'll get the cd in 2 >weeks! > >Jerry > >np: Janis Joplin - Pearl > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:39:56 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: roses Paul, I'm very impressed by anyone who can play the FTR songs. In a Joni interview (can't recall if it was posted here or not) she compares herself to Debussy. If one gets past a reaction that she is once again being "arrogant" in comparing herself to one of the great classical artists and listens to her music alone from FTR and some of the other albums (extracting the lyrics either mentally or technically), I think this is a valid comparison. I'm now motivated to dig out some of my father's old Debussy records and play FTR on Karaoke mode to see how it compares. My hunch (and no doubt, bias) tells me that she may be even better than him in some ways. Paul also wrote: >I'm fairly UK bound - though I should say I'm in Miami (starring with >the delightful Will Smith in his latest movie) in October if any >Joni-listers want to get together then. Does this mean you are an actor in his movie? How exciting if that is correct! I would love to hear more details. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 99 13:54:18 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Dusty (NJC) Hi everyone, Before Joni, before Laura, before almost all singers, for me there was Dusty Springfield. Her songs "You Don't Have To Say You Love Me," "The Look Of Love" and "I Only Wanna Be With You" are staples in my record collection. I heard this morning that Dusty died yesterday in London after fighting breast cancer for the last 5 years. Recently, Rhino Records released expanded editions of a couple of Dusty's albums, including the classic Dusty In Memphis, and I've been enjoying the extra 14 tracks which were added to the 11 songs originally on the album. In fact, just last night, I introduced my young friend, Dan, to Dusty's album. He had heard "Son Of A Preacher Man" in the film Pulp Fiction, but hadn't heard much else. He loved the track "The Windmills Of Your Mind" so much that he made me repeat it a few times. At the end of our evening, I gave Dan my original CD of Dusty In Memphis and he told me that he listened to it when he went to sleep last night, only to be awakened this morning by the radio with news that Dusty had passed away yesterday. I'm happy that Dusty's music continues to be passed along to new fans, who can appreciate her great talent and investigate her huge catalog, and I imagine being able to hear all those wonderful songs for the first time as a new fan, and that makes me feel happy. But I also feel such deep sadness that Dusty didn't live to accept her induction into The Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame, which is happening in about two weeks. She deserves this accolade and so much more for all the beautiful music she made for more than 40 years. Long live Dusty Springfield's music. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:53:03 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: royalties (VLJC) Philip wrote: > > So regardless of whether the recording was made in the field or not, > someone owns the copyright to it and Warner needs that person's > permission to make copies. My bet is that they have permission. and Randy Remote replied: > > Right! It could have turned out that the record label that recorded the > Burundis got paid for Joni's use, but the drummer(s) themselves did > not. Yes. Exactly what I said in my first post ("If Joni pays royalties to anybody, I would think it would be Ocora"). In response to Philip saying he thought "the Burundis," specifically, were getting paid. Suzanne wrote: > > My friend Ed said a phrase > that stuck with Sam for awhile that Sam later said he wanted to use as > his new CD title, but would not as it was not "his". Hi, Suzanne, nice post! It strikes me that in Anglo-American traditional music (and, I'm almost certain, elsewhere in the world as well), certain songs are treated by performers as kind of "moral property" of another singer, regardless of copyright. Sacred Harp singers, I know, will tacitly reserve a song known to be a favorite of an old or respected singer for that singer to lead. And I think I've read that many of the early ballad collectors in the British Isles were told by their informants that they knew a certain ballad, but wouldn't sing it for the collector because it was "somebody else's" -- someone to whom it had special meaning or who performed it unusually well. I don't know Sam Bush, or the context of this conversation, but I wonder if it was the idea of "moral property" that made him not want to use the phrase -- not from fear of copyright infringement, but out of respect for the other person? Anyway, I think it's a concept to keep in mind in pondering questions of copyrighting, paying royalties on, and using or appropriating traditional music. Hope this helps. Take care, - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:53:55 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Stormy (but SUNNY) Weather Michael Yarbrough wrote: > Jerry Notaro wrote: > > << worked like a dog to find me one. The trick is that the cd also > contains the software to get onto their internet service. So I let > him give me the promo, and I'll get the cd in 2 weeks!>>> > > I called and they told me that I *had* to sign up for their service > to get the CD. So what gives? I'm a better sweet talker :-) Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:18:03 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Dusty (NJC) Wally wrote: <<>> This is one time when I refuse to feel guilty about saying, "Me too!!!" Say hello to Tammy, Dusty... - --Michael NP: Miles Davis, _Porgy and Bess_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:19:38 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Singer Dusty Springfield Dies (NJC) March 3, 1999 Singer Dusty Springfield Dies By The Associated Press LONDON (AP) -- Singer Dusty Springfield, whose husky-voiced white soul could simultaneously ``chill the spine and warm the heart,'' has died after a long battle with breast cancer. She was 59. Springfield, who recorded such 1960s hits as ``Son of a Preacher Man'' and ``Wishin' and Hopin','' died Tuesday night at her home in Henley-on-Thames, west of London. Mike Gill, who worked with the singer for nearly 32 years and is compiling a four-CD tribute for release later this year, called hers ``an intimate voice with wonderful pathos.'' The box set was put together ``with Dusty's full knowledge and her blessing when she knew she was dying. She said, `Tell Mike to get things organized. I want to go out with a bit of style,' '' he said. Singer Elton John, on tour in the United States, called Springfield ``as good a singer as Aretha Franklin in her own way, and completely timeless.'' The Encyclopedia of Popular Music paid tribute to her inviting voice, saying she could ``chill the spine and warm the heart.'' Springfield's finest album is considered 1969's ``Dusty in Memphis,'' which she made in Tennessee. Though she started out in several groups, her first solo success came in 1964 with the jaunty ``I Only Want To Be With You.'' Other hits included ``I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself'' and ``You Don't Have to Say You Love Me.'' In 1988, she returned to the charts by teaming up with the Pet Shop Boys duo for the pop single ``What Have I Done to Deserve This?'' Her resurgence was capped this decade with the inclusion of ``The Son of a Preacher Man'' on the ``Pulp Fiction'' soundtrack, which introduced her to a whole new audience. Springfield's breast cancer was diagnosed in 1994 shortly after she recorded her most recent album, ``A Very Fine Love.'' She underwent extensive chemotherapy until 1995, when she was diagnosed as being clear of the disease. But the cancer returned the following year. After the first diagnosis, she told The Mail on Sunday in January, ``I shed about three tears in the hallway and then said, 'Let's have lunch.''' ``It was only when I came home one night and saw my cat lying asleep that I thought, 'Who's going to look after you?' It was as if somebody had run a train through me. I wept and wept and wept because then I realized: It is you. It's you. Yes, it might kill you.'' Dusty Springfield was born Mary Isabel Catherine Bernadette O'Brien in north London on April 16, 1939. She changed her name in 1960, using the name of the folk-country trio The Springfields, which she and her brother formed before she launched her solo career. She became known for her glitzy gowns, peroxide-blonde beehive hairdo and dark, smudgy eye make-up, an effect achieved by leaving on the same caked-on mascara for three weeks at a time. But she once said she never shook off the feeling of being an ``awful fat, ugly middle-class kid.'' She told The Mail on Sunday that her personal and musical epiphany came at the age of 16 when she looked at her reflection in the mirror and said: ``Be miserable or become someone else.'' And she did. Springfield's biographer, Lucy O'Brien, whose book ``Dusty'' will be published in April, wrote: ``As youth mod culture came to a head in the Sixties -- with its stringent attention to fashion, Motown and television pop programs -- Dusty Springfield, panda-eyed and urbane, emerged as Queen Bee.'' Professing herself ``bored with Britain,'' Springfield moved to Los Angeles in 1972, where she lived for 15 years, embarking on drinking and drug binges and suffering from depression. She later disclosed she had attempted suicide in California. Springfield's death came 11 days before she was to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at a ceremony in New York, along with Paul McCartney and Bruce Springsteen. In December, Queen Elizabeth II included her in her biannual honor's list, as an Officer of the Order of British Empire. Buckingham Palace issued a statement saying the queen was ``saddened to hear of her death.'' Springfield never married, and information on survivors was not immediately available. Funeral plans were not released. ----------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1999 The New York Times Company ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:47:12 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Glad to be back Hi everybody! It's good to be back among friends. I'm just in from southern Argentina and Antarctica, a land fit for "some surrealist", if there ever was one. Met lots of pretty people there, too [mainly on the ship, of course]. I was very sad to read about Dusty's death. Though I was never really a fan of hers, I was so happy when she made a comeback of sorts with the Pet Shop Boys a few years ago. She had style... and remember the outrageous hairdos? My computer crashed so many times in the last six months that I can hardly remember who's my friend and who's my foe in this world, meaning I've lost everybody's addresses. For starters, will Colin, Susan LA, Pumpkin, Kenny, Pat the Leader, Mary Grace, la Vierge, Marian, and [I know this will stink] the rest of my habitual private correspondence circle [oh la la] whose names escape my memory right now drop a message so that I can start rebuilding my address book? You know who you are even if I don't! And a message to all of you lovely Canucks: Shame on you! Of the many, many Canadians that I met on this trip, only two REMEMBERED Joni Mitchell, although I must have burst my vocal folds singing her songs non-stop for crew and passengers in the 20 below Antarctic summer air. Well, I'll be floating back for more. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 00:17:56 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Singer Dusty Springfield Dies (NJC) The Queen also relaxed the rules so that Dusty could receive her award in her bed and not at the Palace. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:34:27 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: antarctica welcome back, wallyk! put my address in your book, mr. mr. i read an article about an amazing optical event that happened near the south pole around jan 10. a huge cloud of suspended ice-particles caused four or five interlocking 'icebows'; there were pictures and all. did you get a piece of that? and what about aurora australis? cheers, patrick np - dusty in memphis bonus tracks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:37:04 +1100 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: Lightbulbs (NJC) Hi all I forget who posted the great one on the "How many listers does it take to change a light bulb" but I was just wondering if it was created by the person that posted it??? It has shown up almost word for word on a photography list I am on. Just curious Cheers Michael http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html michaelb@coolgold.com.au Either we are alone in the universe ...........Or we're not............ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:54:33 -0800 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: Stormy weather There is a promo CD of the Stormy Weather Benefit out. It was sent to people in mail regarding AT&T's Personal Network or something. Here is the track listing AT&T plan to put out 200.000 more CD"S next week for promotion. If you are an existing AT&T customer, I.e. Long Distance, World Net, Wireless, whatever you can coax them out of a copy and get put on a mailing list, hopefully, for the CD. Just remind them that it's all part of good customer service. Good Luck and Be Nice Gene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:56:12 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: Dusty (NJC) wally, what a wonderful tribute to the great dusty. i heard about her death this morning and was feeling blue of course, but thank god we have her music. i picked up the expanded dusty in memphis tonight and am just loving these new releases. bread's 'make it with you' so closely related to my early adolescence. you've got a friend. and these great r&b songs, especially 'that old sweet roll (hi-de-ho)' mingus wrote >They said she was in England i wonder if you knew that dusty was english. i know i didn't realize she was until later on. an awful lot of english folks have learned to sing r&b so well, and there were years when the english were paying the form much more respect than united statesians. but dusty was one of the first, god bless her. a special mention for her version of 'the look of love'; one of burt bacharach's most haunting songs. it never has and never will be sung better. as for her visual style, there's a well-known drag queen here in ny, the lady bunny, who basically founded 'wigstock' the labor-day drag festival. her look has always been based on dusty, with respect and appreciation. i'm sure the lady bunny is feeling a little blue tonight as well. patrick np - dusty in memphis - bonus tracks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:47:16 -0800 (PST) From: davidmarine@webtv.net (David Marine) Subject: Joni on Slouching Towards Bethlehem & me on Joni as poet (long) Transcript of Joni from a Geffen promo radio interview circa 1991 [warning, JKC (Joni kitty content)]: "My husband was producing an artist in our house - we have a studio here - -- named David Baerwald (sp?), who's a good writer, and he had been laboring for five years to set a poem to music called "The Second Coming" by W.B. Yeats, and he'd been talking about this; and in the back room -- in the studio -- there was a stack of books and among them was a book of essays by Joan Didion called "Slouching Towards Bethlehem," and the poem was printed at the head of it. So he discovered this and one day he came runing into the house and said 'here's the poem I was talking about.' Now, in the meantime our cat had gone into heat (Joni laughing), and this is a very small cat, and without moving a muscle in her face she makes the most unbelievable sounds. So one day we took the DAT and we sampled her and we put her in the Fairlight and when you played the sound, the sound comes up on the Fairlight at f above middle c. But you can modulate it, so f down an octave beow middle c, this sound was like all the grief in the world, it was the most diabolical sound, and I said 'Oh, scary; you know, once the right piece of music comes along we'll put it on this.' Now, David shows me the poem by W.B. Yeats and in the second stanza it says -- now, I forget his actual words 'cause I remember mine now (Joni laughing), changed them some -- 'shaped like a lion it has the head of a man with a gaze as blank and pitiless as the sun.' When I see the image on the page a lightbulb goes off in my head and I say to myself that's where El Cafe goes, that's where the sound that we have in the Fairlight goes. So I set about to structure it, to make it singable, since the poem had an almost singable first verse and the second verse was pretty much prose. I arranged it into four verses along with choruses, trying to be as true as possible to the text, and keeping the style of his first stanza: the repeating words in the first line repeat in the verses that I reconstructed. The Yeat's estate has a policy of generally not allowing his poetry to be set to music unless it's by a classical muscian -- whatever that is by today's standards. Anyway, we sent them a pretty much finished piece with our fingers crossed, praying that they wouldn't reject it, and the accepted it, so this was very good. (end of Joni trancscript) - ---------------------------------------------------- This has been an interesting thread, and I respect all of the disparate views I've heard here. Personally I feel that the distinctions between Joni's work and that of more established "poets" is specious, but until her work is studied with some seriousness in the academic world it will be a tough sell to convince people of this. I do believe that eventually it will happen, and that's one of the reasons that the mistakes in "The Complete Poems And Lyrics" are so frustrating for me. It's informative to consider the range of poets to which Joni gravitates. She was originally going to re-work T.S. Eliot on her collaboration with Mingus, the result of which I can only imagine and which I would have been fascinating to listen to. Then there's the Bible, of course. Her affinity with the poet/artist Blake is obvious on TTT, though there's been little discussion of it here. The Yeats connection is understandable, considering his country, his leanings toward the poem as song, and his desire that his work be read and enjoyed by common man and academic alike. In the latter sense especially I think Joni shows a kinship with Yeats, for I believe that her work in the "popular" arena has brought her vision to more people than would have known her if she had relegated her lyrical gift to the world of poetry, which in our time is essentially the world of academia. David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:47:25 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Lucinda Williams live (NJC) - the Real Thing (long) I'm playing hooky from work today. Partly because we had a horrendous wind storm here last night/this morning & when I got up there was no power. But mostly because I went to see Lucinda Williams last night and didn't get to bed til late. Lucinda played the King Cat Theatre in downtown Seattle last night. This venue used to be a movie theatre that was probably built sometime in the 60's. It's a fairly small and intimate space. Not like a night club but much smaller than a large recital hall or opera house. Seating was general admission so we got there an hour early and got fairly decent seats maybe 8 or 9 rows back from the stage. Patti Griffin opened for Lucinda with 'Wayfaring Stranger' accompanying herself on electic fuzz guitar. I don't know if she was going for a 'Wrecking Ball' Lanois-like effect but it didn't quite work. I'm not a guitar player but it seemed to me her playing on this song consisted of variations of picking & strumming on the same chord throughout. I don't think I saw the left hand move at all. Patti has a nice, strong voice but either she hasn't mastered the use of a mic or the sound was just too loud. A lot of the subtlety & nuance of her singing was lost. In fact that was my only complaint about the whole show. It was too loud. A couple of Patti's original songs were very nice. She also played acoustic adequately but no more than adequately. Lucinda spoke very highly of her & said she was Patti's biggest mentor and fan. First of all, for any of you who saw the SNL performance, that did not capture what Lucinda is about at all. She has surrounded herself with a group of crack musicians and although she is definitely in front, she seems to consider herself just another member of the band. They played hard for nearly two hours and Lucinda kept up with them every step of the way. Lucinda seems to be a no-frills, no-nonsense kind of performer who is there for one reason; to make music & to throw everything she has into doing it. She's not in it for the fame or the glamour. I don't get the impression she particularly wants to be a 'star'. She just wants to make good music and if it reaches a mass audience that's great. If it doesn't, that's ok too. Somebody in the audience yelled 'How about that Grammy?' and her response was very direct and to the point. She said the non-broadcast portion of the awards was by far the best part. An hour after the non-broadcast awards, the 'show' for television started and some of the words she used to describe that were 'Hollywood, glamour, bullshit'. Lucinda opened with 'Pineola' from the 'Sweet Old World' album, a gut-wrenching song that describes the suicide of a friend. She followed that up with 'Metal Firecracker' from 'Carwheels on a Gravel' road. As I said, all of the musicians were first rate. There were two guys that kind of switched off on lead guitar. One of them, a Nashville musician, also played mando guitar, dobro and, as Lucinda put it, 'anything else that we can't play'. Both were given ample opportunity to strut their stuff. The keyboard player also did some impressive solo work. The song 'Joy' turned into an extended jam that was, as a friend who attended the concert with us put it, orgasmic. Lucinda played acoustic guitar through most of the concert and in the few songs where her playing was out front she seemed to know her way around the instrument very well. They performed most of the songs from 'Carwheels' and a few from 'Sweet Old World' and 'Lucinda Williams'. 'Changed the Locks' was an all-out no-holds-barred rocker. She brought Patti Griffin back onstage to sing the harmony part that Emmylou Harris sang on the record on 'Greenville' and it was beautiful. I've seen Lucinda's cds in various categories in record stores - folk, country, etc. - but a large part of what we heard last night was foot-stompin', shit-kickin' rock-n-roll with a dose of country & blues thrown in every now & then for good measure. They performed two extended encores, the first one being primarily a blues set. 'Disgusted' which appears on the reissue of 'Lucinda Williams' was one of the songs in the first encore. Lucinda's voice really stood out on 'Still I Long for Your Kiss' but was heard to best effect on the quieter numbers such as 'Sweet Old World', 'Lake Charles' and 'Something About What Happens When We Talk'. There were three very young people, two female & one male, down right in front of the stage who got up & danced during 'Can't Let Go' & 'Joy' and they were really getting into it. I'm sure the people sitting right behind them were not amused but from where we sat, damn, it sure looked like they were having fun! Although there were lots of shouts for the song 'Side of the Road' which is a particular favorite of mine, she did not sing it. At one point I almost shouted 'play what you want!' but I figured, just like Joni, Lucinda didn't need my permission to do that. Maybe there's some of her old stuff that Lucinda doesn't particularly want to revisit. Just like Joni! She closed with 'Jackson'. It was sublime and that was enough for me. Lucinda mentioned that she & the band might be touring with Tom Petty in the near future. I'm really glad I got to see her in a small theatre as the headliner. In any case, if you get the chance, go see Lucinda Williams and her band. She's the real thing and well worth the money. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #105 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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