From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #99 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, February 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 099 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hejira envy/ Gutsy Joni Questions [Strummed@aol.com] Re: night ride home! (jc) ["Kakki" ] Joni's Most Dancable Song... [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: night ride home! (jc) [davidmarine@webtv.net (David Marine)] Re: Questions, queries and (drama) queens [catman ] Today in Joni History 2/27 [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Costello sings Joni [philipf@tinet.ie] Burundi Drummers review - (NJC) [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: night ride home! (jc) [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Elton John (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Madonna acknowledges Joni,Chrissie and Deborah [RMuRocks@aol.com] Tidbits from New Stone [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Madonna acknowledges Joni,Chrissie and Deborah [Strummed@aol.com] Re: night ride home! (jc) [Strummed@aol.com] List goings-on (NJC, but JMDL content) [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni's Most Dancable Song... [Mark-n-Travis ] $800,000 house? NJC [Marian Russell ] Re: Tidbits from New Stone [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Madonna acknowledges Joni,Chrissie and Deborah [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Night Ride Home [Michael Paz ] Re: List goings-on (NJC, but JMDL content) [Strummed@aol.com] Re: night ride home! (jc) [Strummed@aol.com] Re: Madonna acknowledges Joni,Chrissie and Deborah [Strummed@aol.com] Re: Tidbits from New Stone [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Night Ride Home- (jc) [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: sandy denny (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Night Ride Home [TerryM2442@aol.com] A&M Records and $800,000 house ["Kakki" ] Re: Night Ride Home [David Wright ] H.elp Need Digests! [Bounced Message ] Thanks for the Digests & $10 Music Blvd...AGAIN! [mann@chicagonet.net] myJoni Hit list [catman ] I'm grateful for the JMDL [Lisa Kowalski ] CD Rom rewriters ["Gene Mock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 03:15:19 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira envy/ Gutsy Joni Questions i'd like to ask joni 1. is yvette french? 2. did you see my 1st question. 3. can i use you as referance. 4. if you were in outer space and traveling at the speed of light, would the headlights work ? 5. if you and larry pull the pin would you look me up. even if you don,t leave larry, be an aunt to my kids? sorry its been a long day guys. probably hate myself in the morning. but what else are weekends for ? CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 01:15:20 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: night ride home! (jc) Patrick wrote: >kakki thought the album had been made during break-up but i've always >thought night ride home was partially a snapshot of the best times in their >marriage. the title song is such a simple record of a wonderful night for >two people very much in love. the photo shoot that created the artwork for >the album was a collaboration on what sounded like a joyous road trip to >saskatoon. just in general, there's an awful lot of joy there, even with >its darknesses. and in its production, it feels like the highest >achievement of the klein/mitchell collaboration. >and besides, joni said at the grammies that turbulent indigo was made 'in a >state of divorce'. i hope they weren't in that state for six years! I feel the need to clarify my prior statement lest the "Inaccuracy" Police come chasing after me ;-) The song "Night Ride Home" was written in around 1988 (cite to my NRH songbook's 1988 copyright date for the song) and initially had the working title of "Fourth of July". I also had thought that they broke up in 1994 based on her comment at the Grammies, but she mentioned something in her KCRW interview last March about their divorce finally becoming final after several years and this led me to believe that the initial breaking up process started well before '94. I should go back and listen to it again. Also, in at least one article on the JMDL site (and in the KCRW interview) she indicated that her relationship with Donald Freed started in 1994, so she and Larry must have grown apart before that time. Another song from NRH which made me wonder about their relationship is "Nothing Can Be Done" (although it may have nothing to do with Klein), especially the lyrics "Must I forgive you each time and say you don't know what you're doing there are no victimless crimes I know of out here in these grafitti ruins"; "I heard you leaving late last night I heard you screaming down the mountain like you were running red lights, red lights you had some trash can rock band pounding"; and "Don't start, my heart is a smoking gun, oh, and nothing can be done". I did not mean to imply that the songs themselves on NRH reflected their breaking up - I do think they convey a great love between them (which I think is still there). It's just that I felt she'd returned to her own essence in that album, and that it may have coincided with her beginning to separate on some level from Klein. Kakki, in female intuition mode ;-) NP: Eight Miles High - CPR Live ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 05:36:21 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Joni's Most Dancable Song... ...I say it's "Coyote," by a nose. Then "In France They Kiss On Main Street." Anyone differ? - -Julius np: _Shadows and Light_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 03:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: davidmarine@webtv.net (David Marine) Subject: Re: night ride home! (jc) Hi list! -- I had to say a few words in defense of Slouching Towards Bethlehem, which I think is one of the most impressive songs she's ever written. I've lived with the Yeats poem most of my life and I think Joni's lyrics are as good if not better than the Yeats. I don't see why anyone would think it's sacrilege to say so either. Surely Joni had earned the right to tackle the poem, and the Yeats estate agreed. And she doesn't just juggle the lines; it's a complete re-working, and there's an entire stanza added. Some of the lines, like "Hoping and hoping/As if by my weak faith/The spirit of this world/Would heal and rise," they're simply perfect, really beautiful. I think her handling of language is masterful in these lyrics. The performance of this song at the Pauley last spring was nothing short of a revelation. I don't know that I've ever heard such a display of musical, dramatic, and lyrical perfection, and her singing was amazing. Well, thats my 2cents, thanks for letting me get it off my chest. I've been enjoying all the posts as usual & hope you're all well, and as always I'm sending out good thoughts for Wally. David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:58:52 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Questions, queries and (drama) queens Mark-n-Travis wrote: > paul tyrer wrote: > > > > Some burning questions of the moment! > > > > 1. Why do so many listers hate Ray's Dad's Cadillac with a vengeance? I > > like it very much indeed. > > I think RDC is a great song! It seems some people have a problem with > Joni trying to lighten up a bit. Not me! Have no problem with the lyric at all. Just the voice! It grates. And as the most annoying chorus. > This song has great lyrics and it > always makes me think of going for 'flights' when I was living in a dorm > in college. This involved piling into somebody's car to go smoke weed > (it was a risky proposition in a dorm room although it was done - a > lot). One of my favorite night flights was to drive by the Waterloo, > Iowa airport. All those blue lights were really far out, man! > > Mark in Seattle (anybody got a roach clip on 'em?) > > CONGRATULATIONS, PAUL! - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:11:05 -0800 From: Michelle Traylor Subject: Re: Joni's Most Dancable Song... At 05:36 AM 2/27/99 -0500, JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: >...I say it's "Coyote," by a nose. Then "In France They Kiss On Main Street." >Anyone differ? > >-Julius >np: _Shadows and Light_ Oh, "Woman of Heart and Mind" and "Electricity" are definitely my favorite dance tunes. :) Michelle - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- There was once a ChuckleHead who had so many web sites everyone was confused. So, Chuckhead moved her ONE directory to http://home.pacbell.net/mtraylor - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 07:51:10 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Today in Joni History 2/27 Joni Mitchell has her biggest album with "Court and Spark" (#2), which turns gold on this date. The highest charting singles are "Help Me" (#7) and "Free Man in Paris" (#22). (1974) gdave NP: Jefferson Starship 2/27/98 Keswick Theater Glenside, PA. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:07:56 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Costello sings Joni Saw this in Muse (a cool online zine): Next up for Elvis Costello is work on tribute albums for the music of Gram Parsons and Joni Mitchell, projects he's clearly excited about. "I have done quite literal covers like I did on "Kojak Variety" but in this case when it's someone like Joni Mitchell, when it's so individual, there's no way I can play her songs like she would record them because they're so tied to her style of physical singing and performance." Full interview here: http://www.muse.ie/elvis.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:08:21 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Burundi Drummers review - (NJC) The Burundi Drummers are reviewed in this weeks NME. I'd love to see them live. With the decline of so called jungle and hip hop, the Burundi's big jungle beats seem inviting. Philip The Drummers of Burundi Cambridge Corn Exchange The sound is ceaseless, awesome and, initially, kind of terrifying. Twelve superfit guys ranged in a semicircle beating on big bastard goat skin-covered hollow tree trunks. They hit them every which way imaginable and with such force that 24 arms seem in danger of spinning out of their sockets. Easily transcending their surroundings - a packed but politely seated Middle England audience - the Burundis invoke thunder and the quaking beneath the earth, fire and brimstone, war and peace. They are an elemental force field - building in wave after wave of repetitive, trance-like and all-conquerng rhythm. Some countries have brass bands and kettle drums but for hundreds, nay thousands, of years this has been the sound of Burundi. Along the way they've had a '60s British chart hit and provided inspiration for Adam Ant and The Clash. Presently the fusillade opens, the sound splinters and the performance becomes a celebration of brotherhood, life and natural wonder, For the finale the entire crew don platform caps, set the drums on their heads and, wielding their batons all the while, depart dancing'n'drumming through the audience. Absolutely bang on Gavin Martin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:43:51 EST From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: night ride home! (jc) In a message dated 2/27/99 4:27:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Another song from NRH which made me wonder about their relationship is "Nothing Can Be Done" (although it may have nothing to do with Klein), especially the lyrics "Must I forgive you each time and say you don't know what you're doing there are no victimless crimes I know of out here in these grafitti ruins"; "I heard you leaving late last night I heard you screaming down the mountain like you were running red lights, red lights you had some trash can rock band pounding"; and "Don't start, my heart is a smoking gun, oh, and nothing can be done". >> Hi Kakki On the video tape tree there is an interview where Joni sites Nothing Can Be Done as panderring to the masses that considered her the sad sin eater. She says "I'm not broken hearted anymore", and so on...... and says something to the effect that the theme of Nothing Can Be Done is more "literary license" in creating a story line that would appeal to those people who wanted her to remain unhappy. Duane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:14:23 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Elton John (NJC) In a message dated 2/26/99 11:57:11 PM Central Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << He played for almost 3 hours, and with the same enthusiasm as he had twenty years ago. I'm just so happy right now, this lurker just had to share with this great discussion list. >> Jimmy, I passed on Elton when he came to Greenville a month or so ago - I figured he would be doing a "greatest hits" kinda thing wiothout a lot of sizzle...turns out I was mucho wrong-o! All my buds that went raved about it, and his song selection included a lot of stuff that was more obscure (Grey Seal included, one of my favorites). Also his excitement and enthusiasm were over the top! I'm enjoying getting all of his records on CD, a lot of the reissues have bonus tracks and great liner notes to boot. Thanks for sharing, Bob NP: Soundtrack from "Last of the Mohicans" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:28:23 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna acknowledges Joni,Chrissie and Deborah In a message dated 2/27/99 1:42:16 AM Central Standard Time, MP123A321@aol.com writes: << "I followed Deborah Harry [of Blondie], Chrissie Hynde [of the Pretenders] and Joni Mitchell," Madonna said, "and I hope that many more follow me as I followed them." >> What I *wish* Madonna had said at the end is "and I hope that many more follow (them too)". One Madonna is plenty enough for me! ;~) No offense to the Maddy devotees out there... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:42:56 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Tidbits from New Stone Got the new Rolling Stone yesterday. Mark McGrath from Sugar Ray on the cover with lots of tatoos, no Joni tatoos that I can tell, he does have praying hands tatoo though...speaking of praying, I didn't see the Grammys but heard that Lauryn did a Bible reading - anybody know which passage? Anyway, on to the leetle Joni-mention: there's an article about the shutting down of A&M records, and James Young, guitarist for Styx, says "the A&M lot was a magical place. I remember running into Karen Carpenter and Joni Mitchell, Janet Jackson, when she was, like, seventeen years old." Other new dirt that may be of interest to some: 1. Liz Phair has a cyber-concert scheduled for March 10 @ 8:30... 2. Woodstock update for Lori - Promoters have signed with the city of Rome NY to host the 30th anniversary festival scheduled for July 23rd/25th at the former Griffiss Air Force Base (maybe the bombers will all turn into butterflies for the event, huh?) Artist lineup due in late March, so far only Metallica are onboard. The Vienna festival will take place 07/16 - 07/18 (and will propel Marian to superstardom as she enlightens a whole new generation to the music of Joni Mitchell with her stirring renditions :~)) 3. CSNY - new album & tour coming soon Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:36:14 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna acknowledges Joni,Chrissie and Deborah comeon bob give madonna a little credit now. CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:33:10 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: night ride home! (jc) reminds me of rolling stone interview i remember readind years ago. i think just when she really started getting some notariety. said something like, "she was sitting by herself in some club in l.a." (can you beleive it ?) maybe the troubador. and she sat there for awhile alone some half hour (+/-) and finally someone came over and started talking to her and she finally asked "why they hadn't come over to her sooner". the persons' response was that "everyone thinks that your this incredibly lonely person." intruiging. blew me away when i 1st read it. never forgot it. i'd like to find that article again. love and enjoyem while there alive folks. you truly dont know what you got till its gone but beleive me i do. yours musically. CHRI$ N.P. (HOTPOINT, low hum of the refigerator satelite) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:20:53 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: List goings-on (NJC, but JMDL content) Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331: 1 to successfully change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers. 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs. 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. 33 to link together all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversey. 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here. 143 votes for a new list alt.lite.bulb. Brian np: The sound of me pulling my hair out testing our new product === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:10:49 EST From: DreamZvil@aol.com Subject: Re: night ride home! (jc) In a message dated 2/27/99 3:42:28 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Strummed@aol.com writes: << the persons' response was that "everyone thinks that your this incredibly lonely person." >> Scorpios are often seen in that light. Definitely do not seem easy to approach; which is often the furthest thing from the truth. Susan from Dreamzville (who has a Scorpio-rising daughter) NP: sounds of babbling brook, from NetRadio's Nature Sounds ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:15:14 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Joni and Kilauren Marsha wrote after reading Irish Times article:- This is in contrast to what Joni said on the Mary Black interview which went out on the radio just a week ago. In this she talks about her relationships with men and women. She says that her best relationships have always been with men because she has never trusted women. However, that finally seems to be changing as she now has a good relationship with her daughter, Kilauren and, as a result of that, her relationship with her Mother is improving. Interesting. She also describes, in some detail, the period in her life when Kilauren was born. When she discovered she was pregnant, she and Kilauren's father went to Toronto with no money and stayed in a "hippie flophouse" which was unbearable to her. She couldn't find work in the coffee houses but worked for a while in a club "for peanuts" until her condition became apparent. They ended up on welfare which was humiliating for her because her people had never been on welfare. She was pennyless when Kilauren was born. She describes meeting Chuck when he was trying to re-write Mr Tambourine Man! An odd friendship developed and he invited her to America. At first, she didn't tell him that she had a baby in a foster home but eventually she confided in him and he said he would marry her and accept the baby. As soon as they married he said that he couldn't raise someone else's child. He insisted that they performed as a duo which Joni wasn't happy with. She says Chuck got more work by working with Joni. She still sounds bitter about the way he treated her. I wonder what she thinks about Kilauren's father's role in all this? Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:38:50 -0600 From: Alan Subject: Re: Joni interview - adoption Lisa, Thank you for your insight, and for sharing that with us. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's first thought about the whole thing is "what is wrong with Kilauren? She has a chance to share her life with Joni Mitchell, and she wants to be difficult about it??!!!" But as you pointed out, so well, it's a lot more complicated than that. Perspectives on loyalty gets so confusing in these cases... Last month, I was sitting on the bathroom floor talking to my (natural) 8 year old Son while he was taking a bath. I guess the bath reminded him of his cousin, a little girl who was adopted by my ex-sister-in-law after the girl's natural mother had gone to jail for child abuse. My Son said, "Daddy, did you know Jasmine's mother put her in a bathtub full of boiling hot water?" (true story: skin grafts from toe to butt) I said, "Yes Son, that was a terrible thing to do, but at least Jasmine is in a home now where she is very loved." And my Son said, "if you or Mommy did something like that to me, I would still love you." Instantly, I felt torn in two and was blinking back tears. On one hand, I was deeply touched by this expression of unconditional love, but on the other hand, I was horrified that he felt you should still love someone, even if they did something so horrible to you. Worse, I asked him if he had talked about this with Jasmine, and he said "yes." I told him I didn't agree with him, and that I didn't think parents who would do such a terrible thing deserved their children's love, but that it's really not right for us to tell someone how they should feel about an event we've never experienced. I tried to explain that the best we can do in these cases is try to be positive and supportive; look to the future rather than dwell on the past. But if this little girl feels anger about what happened to her, he was probably wrong if he made her feel guilty about it... I guess I'm done. The point is, it is so hard to relate to interpersonal issues we've not experienced. Unfortunately, the people in the middle of them are often too close to see them clearly either, except in hindsight. And even that gets distorted by selective memory. Alan > Lisa Durfee wrote: > > But -it has not been an easy road. Like Joni, my natural mother was > shipped way out of her home-town and shamed into an unwed mothers > home. > She was young and couldn't afford to keep me. She never had any other > > children. When she met me her whole world changed and, well, she > wanted > to be my mother. It was too late; I already had a mother. > > What about Kilaurens adoptive mother? Why don't these people ever get > mentioned in these stories? I am someone who detests secrets and > lying, > and yet I have to keep my wonderful relationship that I have with my > birth mother as something of a secret from my adoptive mother. She > would > feel jealous and insecure and hurt and rejected if she knew the > contact > I have with my birth mother. How would it have looked if Kilauren had > > moved into that house? ....................... > > .....my curser has been blinking for 8 minutes....I guess that's > really > all I wanted to say....for now. > Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:48:48 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: Joni's Most Dancable Song... JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > > ...I say it's "Coyote," by a nose. Then "In France They Kiss On Main Street." > Anyone differ? 'Raised on Robbery' Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:05:47 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Joni in Paris (reformatted) long (IAOJC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_920138748_boundary Content-ID: <0_920138748@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_920138748_boundary Content-ID: <0_920138748@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: MDESTE1@aol.com Return-path: To: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Joni in Paris (reformatted) long (IAOJC) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:30:14 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_920138748_boundary" - --part1_920138748_boundary Content-ID: <0_920138748@inet_out.mail.aol.com.3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I hope this doesnt dismay anyone but some time ago I sent a post about my trip to Paris and Jonis' music. I got a few responses and forgot about it. Since then I heard from a couple of listers who suggested that I resend it because somehow it got messed up in formatting. So badly that I was told that maybe 80% of the listers received a version so poorly formatted that no one could read it. They've been bugging me to send it because of the subject and I have resisted but now I said what the heck. Im on aol and I do notice that from time to time I get these weird chopped sentences and maybe thats what they are referring to. Sorry if anyone is bugged by this. Im sorry. Its here for anyone who wants to take the time. It was fun to write and funner to be there. If I get a bunch of complaints I promise I will never do it again no matter how much Im bugged. I dont want to impose on the list. Here goes. - --part1_920138748_boundary Content-ID: <0_920138748@inet_out.mail.aol.com.4> Content-type: text/plain; name="PARIS" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline
On my recent trip to France I had to make the difficult
 choice as per which select casettes would I bring to 
provide my musical backdrop to my trip. Sort of like the 
'five favorite albums'  thread that has been running for 
some time. This was for real. two weeks ;five albums. 
Actually I have some hits tapes with many songs from 
many albums so I bring two of those. Then one of my 
all time traveling albums that somehow I didnt mention 
in my "five favorite albums" post which is "All Things Must 
Pass" by George Harrison which I think is the best of all 
the post Beatle Beatle albums. The one side with Beware 
of Darkness on it is one of the all time best sides of any 
album anywhere at any time IMHO. During my trip it was 
possible to take out my walkman as we walked around 
both Paris and the country itself or while on the train 
and hear the songs and watch the scenery as I created 
my own MTV in my head. The other three albums I 
brought with me were my Ry Cooder hits tape with 
some Robert Johnson cuts thrown in. Let me say here 
there is nothing which stirs these American bones like 
hearing Sweet Home Chicago while sitting at a cafe on 
the Rue St.Germaine. [Hearing a blues song in europe 
also gets me for some reason]. But thats not why I 
wrote this. It was because the last two album tapes 
I brought were the ones with Jonis first five. Song to a 
Seagull, Clouds, Ladies of the Canyon and Court and 
Spark and Blue. I can not describe how wonderful the 
songs on these albums sounded while in France. It was 
almost like hearing them for the first time. The first week 
we were in the absolute country. A little village that only 
has one little road and a few buildings surrounded by 
farms. The second week it was Paris itself. The album 
that went the best with the country scenes was Blue. 
River, Travelin, and the basic acoustic sound of Blue 
created a great experience in the farmlike setting of the 
Loire Valley; the others went better with Paris. In fact it 
was powerful how such gentle songs like "I had a King" 
and "Marcie" were so citylike that it bowled me over . 
What sounds like folk music in my studio all of a sudden 
was a gritty urban landscape put to music. Tin Angel 
was playing as I walked through the Latin Quarter. 
What a rush. Seeing all the lovers walking with their 
arms around each other finding "someone to love today". 
Taking the boatride on the Sein at night I couldnt resist 
a further testing of my theory and so I got out the walker 
and played Night in the City. It was absolutely awesome. 
they had a huge ferris wheel at the place de Concord 
which actually rotated at the same speed as Midway. 
They have these big searchlights now on the sides of the 
boats and they flash them on the buildings as  you go down 
the river. It is like a scene out of Bladerunner. The 
headphones of course provide an incredible sound. I 
concluded that Jonis first five albums or at least the first 
four are totally marinated with New York and heavy city 
influence. They are cityscenes. Stark citysceens. Other 
songs which have mystical qualities are Nathan LaFreneer 
which I played three times in a row as I walked the Champs 
Elysee and Gallery which I happened to play as we walked 
in the old town in Tours. There were many others but I dont 
want to bore the discussion list. I just had to get this off my 
chest. All these years I conjured up images of Joni in a cabin, 
in the forest, with a fire going. Now I can see her wandering 
city streets. The harmonica sound in Nathan la Freneer (which 
I swear sounds alot like Neil Young) was almost duplicated 
by a real car horn in the area of the Musee D'Orsay. By the 
way the entire area around the Musee D'Orsay is a great 
place to haunt. It has all kinds of artist stores and salons, 
antique stores, and book stores. We love it immensely. I 
dont think the songs on the first five albums will ever sound 
the same to me now that I have heard them with scenes 
from Paris in my mind. Lastly yes, I did play Free Man in 
Paris while I was on the Champs Elysee. By the way Joni 
truly mispronounces the name [by saying it shawn duh/lee/sae] 
as the French all pronounce it Chawn zeeleezae. The song 
'Free Man' I think was more about the person in the song as 
opposed to the city.I didnt get the expected Paris video-rush 
connection. Free Man is actually not as Paris-like as some 
of the others. Jonis writing on these albums is city-like. Im 
not talking here about Joni purposely writing songs about a 
city. Im saying that as a writer the sounds she had in her 
head seemed to reflect the pace and ambience of the city 
behind the words. The song that always makes me feel 
melancholy is For Free. It was a beautiful musical backdrop 
for the busier streets in Paris particularly by L'Opera and on 
the Rue Haussman by the Place De Madelane. Speaking of 
For Free, The sad thing to me was hat there are no more 
street musicians in the metro subways. i was told they 
passed a city ordinance. Thats too bad. They did however 
allow the mimes and "statues" to perform on the street 
although they dont do it for free. the last time I was in Paris 
the musicians were all over the metro's and one particularly
 excellent group was actually doing Vivaldi at Bir Hakheim. 
But no more. lastly you might wonder which song gave me 
the most vivid and moving Paris experience. It might sound 
suprising but Dawntreader at dusk walking along the Seine 
was a mind blast, hard to beat. Also, another time we were 
in the St.Chapelle and as I gazed up al the windows I 
scrambled around and got out the walkman and sitting on 
one of the ancient wooden benches on the side I happened 
to experience one of my all time faves "Songs to Ageing 
Children". It was a mystical experience listening while looking
 up at 40 feet high stained glass windows. The one album 
which didnt make it in Paris was Court. By the time Joni 
finished Court & Spark she was totally into the LA sceen 
and her albums abandoned the ambience (and minimalist 
elegance) of those first four albums. Court is really an LA 
album. After that she was clearly under another influence. 
Maybe thats why I like Jonis first four the best. It captured 
more of her and less of her influencers in the final result. 
By the time you have Steve Lukather putting metal 
guitaristics and Thomas Dolby noodling keyboards on your 
songs you have in fact changed. And she did. I think after 
this experiencial sojourn (or is it Hejira) Joni has in fact 
finally returned to her roots, not in Canada, but in her soul. 
Her songs are now coming from her soul again. The 
ambience I am hearing on the stuff since Turbulent Indigo 
is a leaving of the prior phase of life behind. Hejira was 
perhaps the beginning of her tearing away from where she 
had been. Just as she had left New York and gone west. 
The experience I had listening to her songs in France was 
really wonderful I recommend it to all. It made me realize 
more about Joni's writing and put me again in touch with 
what is to me the most interesting aspect of her as an artist. 
She does absorb her experiences and they are reintroduced 
after they have been through the prism of her feelings. 
Those feelings include not just the thoughts but the 
environment itself in which the songs were written. The time 
in her life. The place she was at. It was almost as if I got to 
see Paris through Jonis feelings and with her guidance. 
Most inspirational. A trip to remember.
- --part1_920138748_boundary-- - --part0_920138748_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:04:27 -0500 From: "Brian S. Moss" Subject: Joni sings Gerswin Greetings; I want to publicly 'Thank' p.henry and cul for there suggesting that I should join this list. You are collectively knowledgeable, very interesting and provacative and I am enjoying your discourse. Should Joni ever decide to do a 'standards' album I would run to purchase it. Not knowig but always suspecting that she had some influences from that era, being ~ the same age they were mine as well; her acknowlegement of Billie Holiday as one explains some of the 'feel' of much of her own work. For many of those who have past the half-century mark the old standards are just that, standards againist which new music can be judged. The words and music that evoke our own feelings, life and times or speak to our own ambitions and frustrations are perhaps 'classics', but the ones that touch our soul, whether speaking to us personally or not are the 'Standards' because they speak not just to our own generation but to the human condition. Obviously I feel that many of Joni's creations do just that. BTW thanks for the Irish Times interview; More real information than I have ever seen in print. The overwhelming fascination I first had for Joni was the 'bell' like tone of her voice. At ~17, I had never encountered a voice so clear and clean[no overtones] and I suppose that is one reason why when she slid off into the rock idiom [it did seriously affect her voice] I did not follow too closely. I did not like Dylans' electric departure either. I can now look back and find alot that I now value but at the time.... I suppose I should admit to a strong traditional folk bias. Keep Smilin'......brian NP: Detroit NPR[wdet]'Folks Like Us' 3 hours of the music I love. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:48:52 +0100 From: Marian Russell Subject: $800,000 house? NJC Could someone please send me the scoop on Kilauren and the $800,000 house? Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:09:34 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Tidbits from New Stone In a message dated 2/27/99 9:44:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: << 3. CSNY - new album & tour coming soon >> I DID see that mentioned in RS and was very happy, indeed. I think the album comes out in June, with the tour to follow. Apparently, they got together to do a project and enjoyed it so much, decided to carry it through into the makings of an entire album. Can't wait to hear it! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:39:19 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna acknowledges Joni,Chrissie and Deborah In a message dated 2/27/99 10:39:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, Strummed@aol.com writes: << comeon bob give madonna a little credit now. CHRI$. >> Sorry, cash only for the material girl at this store! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:19:05 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Night Ride Home Hello All from New Orleans- In regards to the semi current discussion of NRH, I love this record. Two Grey Rooms is one of my all time faves. Ray's Dads Caddilac also conjures up some amazing memories of my "parking days" up on the mountain overlooking San Pedro Sula. Slouching is a great song that I have enjoyed more live than on this particular record. The production is a good on this record, but I could have lived without the cricket sound thru the entire song. Since I stumbled on the JMDL and all the guitar tabs that have been posted NRH is one I really like to sing and play. Thanks again to Marian, Sue, Howard, and all other Joni transcribers. Have a lovely weekend. Michael Paz NP-Julian waking up from a nap ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:22:05 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: List goings-on (NJC, but JMDL content) HEY, i count 1332, want to knoW about complaints? listen to KINGS X, "COMPLAIN" on their "DOGMAN" release. have fun, live long. keep your powder dry, yours CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:26:04 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: night ride home! (jc) Scorpions, excellent band. don' think they were lonely though, CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:32:04 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna acknowledges Joni,Chrissie and Deborah "E PLURIBUS UNUM" THE BEGINNING OF THE END FOR GRAND FUNK RAILROAD. ALTHOUGH MY brother warms up for mark farner when he plays in his christian rock band tours, CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:37:25 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Tidbits from New Stone - -----Original Message----- From: RMuRocks@aol.com >Anyway, on to the leetle Joni-mention: there's an article about the shutting >down of A&M records, and James Young, guitarist for Styx, says "the A&M lot >was a magical place. I remember running into Karen Carpenter and Joni >Mitchell, Janet Jackson, when she was, like, seventeen years old." That's a shame if that place is closing. Long before it was Joni's studio, it was Charlie Chaplin's movie lot, hence the english style architecture. A friend got me in for a look around once. Philip NP The Meters - Tippy Toes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:39:11 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Night Ride Home- (jc) >Patrick wrote: > >>i'd love to hear how night ride home hit the longest-term joni freaks, the >>one's who've bought every album on release day. was it a relief after the >>'80s albums? I came on board when Clouds was new, so I suppose I qualify for this. To me NRH is bookended by two of her most brilliant songs and Passion Play is obviously the work of a genius. In between is a somewhat mixed bag. I remember being pleased about how happy she sounded, apart of course from The Windfall which I presumed was some kind of mistake. Slouching dosen't work for me at all. The music dosen't come remotely close to matching W.B. Yeats' words. I get no sense of things falling apart. Some Jungle line style chaos, for example, might have been more appropriate. I'd rate Slouching among her worst songs ever along with stuff like Magdelene Launderies. The production is unremarkable and dosen't compare well with the startling brilliance of Chalkmark. Oh, and I love Ray's Dad's Cadillac. Are there any bad songs about Cadillacs ? Maybe they don't allow it. Philip NP Basement Jaxx - Fly Life ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:46:03 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: sandy denny (njc) patrick leader wrote: > > bob, you are a lucky man. pick up the her greatest hits, i promise you > won't regret it. one of the best voices of the folk-rock generation Her box set is great, also. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:22:58 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Night Ride Home In a message dated 2/27/99 3:20:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << The production is a good on this record, but I could have lived without the cricket sound thru the entire song. >> Funny, that's what drew me into the song when I first heard it, Michael. I LOVE the cricket-playing rhythm section. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:24:54 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: A&M Records and $800,000 house Since I will be spending half my afternoon and evening in Hollywood today these posts caught my attention. Indeed A&M Records is being closed down and from many accounts I've heard, it is the big heartbreak in the music world right now. A&M was owned by Polygram, which was recently acquired by MCA. There is massive reorganization going on as a result. It is sad, because A&M was known for nurturing and growing its artists much more than the other companies. And the site is really charming - my favorite corner in Hollywood. As for mentions of the $800,000 Hollywood Hills house that Joni is selling - this may sound funny but that is actually a pretty low-end price for a home in the Hollywood Hills, especially one which has been completely renovated. The house is relatively small - 2,500 square feet, yet sits on a 1/2 acre, which is a good sized lot in the city. People pay for location here, where some houses half that size in a desirable location sell for even more. The views from the Hollywood Hills are spectacular. Kakki, perennial renter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:21:19 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Night Ride Home Randy Remote writes: > > Am I the only one who would put this near the bottom of the list of Joni > albums? I would put it about fourth (behind DJRD, Hejira, and Blue, just ahead of C&S and HOSL), almost entirely on the strength of five of its songs: the title track, Passion Play, Slouching, and *especially* Come In From the Cold and Cherokee Louise. On all of these tracks I think the music and words are so wise, moving and eloquent. I find the title track wonderfully evocative; Passion Play and Slouching powerful both politically and spiritually; and Come In... and Louise heartbreakingly empathic, honest, and utterly unsentimental in their looking back at adolescence. This theme of encounters between youth and age runs through much of the album, I think -- in the form of meetings, like Only Joy in Town or Two Grey Rooms (more of a non-meeting, actually); or of memories, as in Come In..., Cherokee, and Ray's Dad's Cadillac; or internal conflict, in Nothing Can Be Done. Actually, I do find the album very uneven in terms of the individual songs. I don't really like Ray's Dad's Cadillac, Only Joy in Town, or The Windfall -- and am unmoved by Nothing Can Be Done (except for the title hook: "I am not old/I'm told/But I am not young...") and, apparently unlike most people, Two Grey Rooms. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:23:00 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: H.elp Need Digests! From: mann@chicagonet.net Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:56:42 -0600 H.elp! This is the second time this has happened to me. I've emptied my trash folder and lose half of all the email I have too! If anyone has digests from 2/10 forward I would really appreciate them being forwarded to me. Thanks so much! Laura mann@chicagonet.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:06:47 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Thanks for the Digests & $10 Music Blvd...AGAIN! Susan, Thanks sooooooooooo much for the digests! I really appreciate it. Here's another $10 for Music Boulevard. It says for new accounts only but it worked for me! Try it. Go to: http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/5824_0_main.txt Your credit should appear at time of check out. Laura :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 01:03:59 +0000 From: catman Subject: myJoni Hit list 1. TI 2. NRH 3. HOSL 4. STAS 5.HEJIRA 6.LOTC 7.DED 8.BLUE 9.C&S 10.CLOUDS 11. FTR 12. TTT 13.WTRF 14.TTT 15.CMIAR 16MINGUS(i really don't care much for this one) - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:31:47 From: Lisa Kowalski Subject: I'm grateful for the JMDL Hi everybody! I recently joined the JMDL in January and sent a few posts and then went into Lurkland for the past 6 weeks.I've been undergoing treatments for breast cancer and was having a rough time of it and had to take time off of work for a month to recoup and recharge my batteries.I'm back at work now and have gotten a good prognosis from the doctor! I haven't been posting while I've been home but I have been reading your posts everyday and I want you to all know I think you guys are great! This List is so interesting,informative and very amusing at times.You all have such insight into Joni and her music and life,besides so many other topics. For 30 yrs I thought I was the only one in the world that loved Joni Mitchell and then I stumbled upon this list and am truly amazed by it and very grateful.I feel it has pulled me thru my treatments,cause whenever I would feel down I'd read the posts on the list and feel 100% better! I started listening to Joni when I was 16 in 1968 and I am one of those freaks that would buy her albums as soon as they were released(and still do!) I have all her vinyl from Clouds to CMIARS and all her CDS from Clouds to TTT,plus the Herbie Hancock Gershwin CD,the Kyle Eastwood Cd and the ChieftansCD(that I wouldnt have known about if it werent for this list),plus I've already ordered Painting with Words and Music thru Amazon.com so I guess I qualify for being a major Joni-phile! and I'm proud of it! Take care ! Lisa The Magicflute(I play the flute plus its my favorite Mozart opera!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:27:25 -0800 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: CD Rom rewriters Can anyone out there answer if the current generation of CDRom rewriters(?) are capable of copying the CD's with music? Is there a substantial difference in sound quality like is apparent when copying videos? 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